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ManU lose, Siralex whinges about the referee.

As in politics, there is the action, and then there is the post-action spin. Whilst Chelsea have kept fairly quiet about yesterday`s game, the bleating from Manchester has reached Liverpool-esque levels of whining.

Deliberately trying to avoid the uncomfortable conclusions from the scoreline itself, Manchester United, aided by legions of partisan bloggers, are putting out an alternative reading whereby it was the referee who stole their rightful victory.

It`s an invention of a parallel universe that requires some pretty powerful LSD to enter. Apparently an unjustly given offside against Wayne Rooney on 8 minutes deprived ManU of a goal (even though there is little indication that Rooney could have actually scored). On the other hand, a few minutes later, a brilliant turn from Rooney, which was shot wide, was given as a corner. No amount of replays establish that the ball deflected off Ricardo Carvalho. You take your chances, had that corner gone in Chelsea would certainly have been aggrieved.

For the goal that Chelsea scored, ManU can feel that the decisions went against them. "You lose faith in the refereeing sometimes - that's the way the players are talking in there," said Siralex when a series of poor decisions allowed Chelsea to score. Firstly Darren Fletcher`s clean tackle on Ashley Coles was penalised as a foul. That allowed Frank Lampard to float in a free kick that was headed in by John Terry or Nicolas Anelka, pending the dubious goals` committee`s decision. "Clearly Darren Fletcher has won the ball," said Ferguson. "He's never touched Ashley Cole, who just jumped up in the air. And during the free kick, was there a tussle in the box? Yes, says Siralex. "[Didier] Drogba has pulled [Wes] Brown to the ground at the goal. The referee's position to make a decision there was absolutely ridiculous. He can't see it."

As if daring the F.A. to throw the book at him, Siralex dug his own grave. "There was a Chelsea player standing right in front of him and he doesn't even move. It was a bad decision, but what can you do?" How about accepting defeat graciously, Fergus. That might be a new one.

One could have a certain sympathy with Fergus for whinging about bad decisions, if he hadn`t been a tad more balanced. The suggestion is that whistleblower Martin Atkinson was biased against ManU. No, he wasn`t: Atkinson had a bad game all over. No mention, for instance, of Atkinson booking Didier Drogba, who had the temerity to hit Johnny Evans` studs with his chest, during a jump for the ball that saw the United centreback raise his foot to beyond a dangerous play height and sneakily kick Drogba in the chest. We fail to understand on what grounds Atkinson could have booked Drogba (and let off Evans), given that Drogba was so badly hurt he had to be substituted off a few minutes later. Had the referee seen it properly, he would have shown Evans a red card. In fact, there are pretty good grounds for a retro-active punishment. As it was, not only did Johnny Evans get off scot-free, Atkinson booked the victim of the ManU defender`s violent conduct. Carlo Ancelotti said that the Evans` 'challenge` (is that a euphemism for GBH?) was so bad that Drogba was now 'struggling to move`. Sportingly, Ancelotti agreed that Drogba could have been offside when that goal went in. "Maybe Drogba was offside, but it's very difficult to see this because there were a lot of people in the box," he said.

Was there a first-half penalty when Antonio Valencia tangled with Terry? Could have been, they have been given for less. But let`s not invent any childish conspiracy. It`s as laughable as the complaints that 5 minutes of added time were indicated, and Martin Atkinson gave exactly 5 minutes. ManU complaining that not enough extra time is given. Hmmm.

After all, Johnny Evans also tackled Ricardo Carvalho from behind. Both Carvalho and Evans were booked for that. How did that happen? And when Chelsea scored, Edwin Van Der Sar ran forward immediately to complain to the referee, in the process ploughing straight through Branislav Ivanović, who is knocked to the floor. Eh? That`s quite apart from the systematic crowding of the referee at any decision. "I think that the United players protested a lot, I don't know why - I don't like this," said Carlo Ancelotti, the Chelsea manager.

All this to say that any suggestion of referee unbalance is laughable: Atkinson was equally poor in handing out wrong decisions that penalised both sides. A key difference was that one side took their chances, the other whinged about their perception of the unfairness.

Then again, ManU have previous when it comes to undermining referees. In March last year, when his side lost 1-0 at Portsmouth, Ferguson was given a severe warning for criticising not only Martin Atkinson but also the Premier League head of referees. A few weeks ago, Ferguson went off on a rant about the fitness of Alan Wiley. Siralex admitted that charge, and is already facing the possibility of a fine or touchline ban for that. His latest remarks could land him into further hot water. The same can be said of Wayne Rooney, although the thick-necked one`s charge would be that he refused to shake the referee`s hand and he left the field of play mouthing the words `12 men` to the TV cameras. Whilst we can have little sympathy for any FA decision to Fergus, it would be absurd to punish Rooney.

Midweek, having been surprised by CSKA Moscow, Fergus declared that booking Darren Fletcher for diving (when he tumbled in the box in a legitimate penalty decision) was 'one of the worst he`d seen in his lifetime` (which seems like something of an exaggeration). Even Fletcher suggests that his reputation has preceded him. Arsène Wenger commented that Fletcher was responsible for systematic fouling without getting booked. Of the incident that saw a free kick given, Fletcher said "It was clearly not a foul. I knew at the time and I have watched it again on the replay. I back-heeled the ball and Cole just jumps up in the air and the ref gives a foul, I think we are starting to see Mr Wenger's comments starting to influence referees which is a shame really."

Maybe an alternative reading is that, when ManU systematically try to influence the referees through a variety of techniques (bullying, questioning integrity, insults, myopia), they shouldn`t be surprised when those referees are less than sympathetic. Besides, the way that ManU hound referees is simply part of Fergus` 'mind games`, to try to divert attention from his own shortcomings, to deflect criticism away, and also to instill a siege mentality on his players.

Those fans are happy to lap it up, to the extent that they have rewritten what actually happened to justify a delusion that the referee stole victory from them. "We've dominated the game, Siralex said. "we should have finished them off, but you do need a break. We did play well and were by far the better team", a sentiment echoed by a load of soft-headed ManYoo blogs. It`s rubbish. The 'better team` enjoyed slightly more possession, (53/47), but the statistics also reveal that Čech was by far the lesser used keeper: ManU had a pitiful 2 shots on target to Chelsea`s 6. Chelsea`s passing was also more accurate than United`s. Dominated the game, better team? Please. Had it been a draw, Fergus could have used that argument. He lost, his side failed to score any goals, the idea that a 'victory` has been stolen is childish.

The FA have just announced that Siralex won`t be censured for his post-match comments, apparently because he didn`t cast doubt on the referee`s integrity. A clever bloke, he presumably knows the difference between undermining the referee`s integrity and his competence. Well, Fergus certainly has experience as to what is not acceptable if he draws on his almost standing appointment at the F.A.`s disciplinary committee.

But we also have the experience that, whenever ManU don`t win, it is somehow the fault of the referee according to a one-sided view of the world whereby the errors of the referee in his sides`s favour are edited out. Whilst Siralex can feel aggrieved that some of the calls didn`t go his way, that a few of them went against him, he could also have recognised that there were a few incidents where the referee`s decisions were very much in his favour.

Still, whatever helps him and his fans get through the day … until their next slip-up.



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Date:Monday November 9 2009

Time: 2:36PM

Your Comments

I have to say I can see where Alex is coming from - though it pains me to say so! I feel United could well of had a penalty against us (never mind though, that's 1 of the 4 that went against us with Barca repaid) and the free kick wasn't really a free-kick (nice leg extension by Ashley though, I would have needed surgery after that). The other reason why I think he was right to comment is because Sky asked the question 'So Alex, I don't want to put words into your mouth, but was it a free kick that led to the goal?' I think when presented with a question like that he should (and so should Carlo, Mourinho would of) say that the players lose faith in referees. So I do think this was taken out of context. He didn't have a rant, he simply answered a question. That said - It was blooming good to win, however dodgy the decisions were. That said both Flecther and Anderson should have been booked, so it evens itself out in the end - Only being knighted means you don't have to notice them, aint that right Sir Alex!
aslaram
We robbed them of the victory? Okay Fergie, if you like mate. Do we really give a monkey's? Nope. Top of the league, 'avin a laugh!
daspecial1
Nice article Cendio...although I'm sure the United fans will have something to say! By the way, did anyone else see Lee Dixon and Alan Hansen suck-off Man U and SAF on last nights' MOTD? Terrible bit of "journalism" - if you can call old pundits that.
Haigh_For_7
The offical lost control of the match and matters spiraled out of control in the second half. Official's performance was laughable. In no way excuses the conduct of Evans. If Drogba had done that to a United player, he would receive a lengthy ban. What will Chelsea do to see that Evans' malicious kick is brought to the FA's attention?
Drogstark
Really valid point, Drogstark. If that Evans karate kick had been the other way round, we wouldn't be seeing Drogba until after Christmas, so huge would the public clamour be to see him suspended. Also, I wonder how much coverage would have been given if it were JT, instead of Darren Fletcher, waving imaginary cards around and trying to get people sent off?
daspecial1
I agree with you aslaram. Decisions went against both teams on the day, unfortunately for us the ones that went against us were abit more decisive. I dont think there is any conspiracy (although Fergies previous comments wont be helping us!) I just think it was plain bad luck. Its very easy to gloss over the incidents and say united should look at their own short comings, but everybody knows that decisions change games. You can point out every single interview fergie has ever done talking about refs when united lose - but unless you intend to shed as much light on the incidents he was referring to you'll never get a balanced view. The article pretty much admits that rooney was onside, we should have had a penalty and the free kick leading up to the goal shouldnt have happened. Some decisions did go our way, evans on drogba being a prime example, but on balance, especially considering the nature of the only goal that was scored in the game - we have a right to feel like we came off slightly worse than you did. But hey, next time we get a penalty for no reason, score an offside goal or get away with a foul - I'll say the same thing I'm saying now - Swings and Roundabouts!
tuscan3000
I dont give a damn about his comments because he intimidates referees. As for the game, I want Evans to be punished no matter what for violent conduct!
german blues brother
And if it was up to me I would ban Vidic 1 game for unsportive behaviour, he was just laughing at Drogba at the sidelines.
german blues brother
it's true it goes both ways. I respect Guus even more now, just look at his comments after Ovrebo fiasco... Fergie knows what he is doing, some would suggest he is losing plot, I think he's on top of his game as ever. All this said, all of this moaning from United is becoming extremely boring. As so many United faithful told us after Barcelona draw, "stop moaning and move on", time to do what you preach now.
emigre
Thanks Tusacn......not often you get opposition fans agree! As a Chelsea fan I'm obviously delighted and as every fan knows, the next game could see 4 penalty decisions go against you. I felt Man Utd played really well. I thought Anderson was brilliant. They set out to close down and disrupt and it worked for the most part. I think it's the first time I've ever seen the threat of Essien neutralised. I think Sir Alex (like all managers) let's himself down by refusing to admit, or even aknowledge a decision that has won them the game and wasn't fair. For me, he is no different to Mr 'I didn't see it.' And just to prove my point, I bet you guys can name who I mean without me saying WHO!!!
aslaram
@Aslaram, sry mate, which game were you watching?:D Anderson was bossed by Essien throughout the game, that`s why they had no end product. They also didnt exactly boss the midfield, they just kicked the ball away with Fletcher and Carrick in a 4-6-0 formation. They came for a draw. Arsenal fans are getting excited about how poor we were in their eyes, give us some space and we will turn them apart at emirates because they 100% wont play 4-6-0.
german blues brother
*tear them apart One word, Drogba xD
german blues brother
i cant say i like you guys for obvious reasons but its its nice to see a team put one up manchester (we own the PL and everything should go our way or i will set fergie on u) utd
jljyid
One more point, they didnt come to play football with 4-6-0. That match could have been a beautiful game and each team could have decided the result on their own. The way they played it only a set piece or a fluke decision could have made the difference. Ans it happened!They are responsible for their loss and should stop moaning because they killed the game before it started.
german blues brother
Notice how the media never commented on the fact United didn't wear poppies on their shirts?? Someone has already mentioned that even Michael Ballack wore one, how can this go unoticed?!
TOPDROG11
to be fair top drog11 it has been all over the sports media that they didnt. but we all know UTD are the law in the english league and the authorities have to be carefull
jljyid
"and the free kick wasn't really a free-kick (nice leg extension by Ashley though, I would have needed surgery after that)" - aslaram. I've taken that quote out of aslaram's opener as it now looks as though Ashley might well need an operation as he has a depressed fracture of his tibia. Could be out for 8-10 weeks. Not good news.
timcfc
Just saw that timcfc.....not good for us. I can't see anyone covering him. He gives so much offensively and defensively. Looks like we will have to sacrifice one for the other because no one else in our team (or the world) can replace him. Germanbluesbrother - I was watching the same match as you and Anderson did very well. I hate to say it, but I think you have got your biased eyes on. No, Anderson didn't offer much in the way of attack, but I don't think he was ever meant to. Instead, what he did do was mark Essien tightly all game, and though Essien performed slightly better, let's not forget the difference in age. That was the best I'd seen Anderson for a long time - And no, I'm not a united supporter. Up the blues! I think this is why opinions never get taken seriously, they're too blinkered at times.
aslaram
Yeah read that too tim.Very bad new indeed.Hopefully Zhirkov will be fit for Arsenal.
blueKnightz09
You have to look at their positions, Anderson is meant to be playmaking as attacking midfielder, Essien had him in his pocket as defensive mid. It wasnt his fault that Lampard and Ballack didnt do their part in attacking.Like I said, there was no room to build up a game so it was decided by a set piece.
german blues brother
Not much has been made of Berbatovs convienient knee injury mysteriously sustained proir to the game. Fergus came to the Bridge not to lose, got his tactics wrong and went home pointless. No real suprise to hear his usual post match histrionics trying to mask the lack of faith he showed in his squads ability to adopt their usual formation. As Ancelotti stated in his post match comments "Chelsea did what they had to do", it was enough to extend Ancelotti's supremacy over the tactically inept fergus, 4-1 and counting. There's nothing to fear from this current manc squad.
sartori
TOPDROG11 - "Even Ballack wore a poppy!," LOL! LOL!
Haigh_For_7
Sorry, what was that...Man United are past it after loosing two of their best players in the summer...Walking Frame der Sar is an average keeper...the great £30m defender has lost what little ability he had and the Red Devil's best player this season is going to be Darren Fletcher! Ha!
Haigh_For_7
I don't care what Sir Red nose says. Evans should be in jail for his vicious kick to Drogba's chest. That stuff has no place in the game!!!
robdog
It's true. United were very negative, changed their whole system just to contain us, and even left Rooney alone up top, isolated all afternoon. They had just two shots on target, and yet the world is supposed to believe that they were robbed blind by us? They did well to close us down quickly in midfield, nulifying the threats of Ballack, Lampard and Deco, but that's because they packed the midfield with Fletcher, Giggs, Anderson, Valencia and Carrick. It's funny how hypocritical Sir Alex can be at times - roundly criticising anyone that goes to Old Trafford with ten men behind the ball, intent on snatching a draw, and then basically operating an identical gameplan at our place.
daspecial1
I understd some of Fergie's frustration. Remember when Kalou was adjudged to be off-side and we had to settle for a draw...right b4 Jose left? Its tough to be the victims of bad calls, esp when you work so hard. When I was just a youngster my team-mates and I had a decision go against us that cost us a trip to the finals. I still remember it as if it were yesterday...and it still hurts. Having said that, things like refs' decisions, injuries, fixture lists and weather are all part of the breaks. We've had 3 frustrating seasons where things tended to go against us in the Lge. Maybe this time, we'll get the breaks. In the end, JT put the ball in the net, they didnt and I'm still celebrating CFC's hard-fought win. And isnt it funny how the losing team tends to complain more about the refs?
blues first
The freekick for the goal was legitimate, Fletcher blocked Cole who had a touch on the ball.
vetri
and he also had his studs showing!
merlin
Come on Chelsea fans. Don't be so hard on Johnny Evans. He wasn't really trying to plant his studs in Drogba's chest, he was just sooooooo jealous that your kit had those natty poppies sewn on the front that he wanted one for himself. ;-)
fifthcolumnblue
The boy who cried wolf. Like everyone now assumes Drogba is diving even if he's been kicked in the face, everyone assumes SAF is just being a bitter loser about the ref'ing. He has moaned about every game this season, irrespective of the score.
londonfc
Nice also to hear Ferguson accuse A.Cole of basically diving for the free kick which lead to the goal, when it turns out Ash has actually aggravated his leg injury because of the tackle.
daspecial1
like to see ferguson and his players reaction after having 4 penalties denied them in a CL semi final!!!!!!!!
springy
Benitez scored against Liverpool xD That made my day hahaha.
german blues brother
WOW!!! What a dive by Ngog.....Bravo Looooooserpool..
Lee.F
very nice piece,cend.hilarious.very demented pic of the red nosed one too.so if drogba tugged browns shirt why did wes fall forwards instead of backwards? Rooney meant US blues fans were the "12th man" haha. Some players in the man u camp were looking for blood grrr and they found it,fortress stamford no matter who "dominated"
Chelsea24/7
The gap between us an Po0 is almost the same as between them and Portsmouth.
londonfc
Top of the league with arsenil in second place.As it stands we should concern ourselves more with arsenil and out nxt epl game against wolves. Alex cry-baby,can suck his thumb and cry alone back home.The saturday game is history now...I bet when next he pushes some autobiography(after retiring),refs decisions would occupy 9 out of the 10 chapters....I'm impressed though with our team and it shows how far we've come, for United to go defensive on us.For long parts of the game,I fell we were against a Hull or Stoke team....when Barcelona goes defensive on us someday,United and looserpool would be confined to some history Museum by then.....LOL.
CHELSEAGEE
why it is if they lose then its the referee's fault? as if they shall never lose a match
Moussa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQtWErLkato
djdutts
They wouldn't have won, the game had 0-0 written all over it.
Seabourch
There were a few decisions that went awry, but in a high pressure match you usually get a few of those decisions flying about. Fergie has a habit of berating ref's, so nothing surprising.
Osgood_Spirit
Interesting to see how Wayne Rooney constantly gets away with coating teh referee off to his face spittle flying everywhere face contorted in rage and thereferee let him off. When Wenger kicked an empty water bottle down the touchline (not at anywone) the referee made him stand in the crowd who were making tehir usualy peadophile chants about him. While Arry complains about 1 fan ONE fan swearing at him. You can see tehre is double standard sin football every week but none more so than from manchester Utd fans and club alike. Did we get a penalty when Arshavin was hacked two footed by Vidic who then hit the ball away with his hands? Or when Rooney duived to win their penalty? Did ferguson take the referee to tasl for any of the above? Of course not, the bacon faced old soak is about as gracious as a sore loser losing in the final of the worlds worst losers competition to a judges error. Bad decisions went both ways in that game and yet it is the ref's fault. Not Rooney's for going missing in yet another big match. Last time I looked referee's weren't paid £100k per week yet it is always their fault with bacon face, no one else's......
LondonGooner
evans should be banned he could have broke droggies ribs
starginga
Martin Atkinson must have forgotten football's golden rules By Derek McGovern 10/11/2009 Fergie was rightto complain about ref Martin Atkinson and Chelsea's winner on Sunday. Atkinson clearly forgot the two most important rules of football. 1. Officials must favour Manchester United. 2. See Rule 1. And John Terry's winner could have been disallowed for several reasons - offside, pulling, or pushing. We're not even sure it was actually Terry's goal. Nicolas Anelka has subsequently claimed the credit. Chelsea are now odds-on title favourites at 4-5 and, significantly, Arsenal have moved ahead of United in the betting. Gunners are 11-4 with Ladbrokes, who offer United at 3-1. Chelsea are 11-10 with Hills to stay top all season.
starginga
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