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Falcao Being Watched

Target #1 appears to be being targeted by another club!

Now whilst I have no official confirmation that the Atletico Madrid striker, Falcao, is high on our wanted list or not, there`s no denying that many a Vital Chelsea member wouldn`t say no to him arriving at Stamford Bridge.

However, it appears that Manchester City are also watching the prolific striker with it being reported that Roberto Mancini had the player watched following the latest spat with the excitable Italian Mario Balotelli.

Now whether City`s interest is a passing fad or something they will follow up, remains to be seen but quotes attributed to Falcao appear to show a growing desire to test his talents in the Premier League, with the player reportedly remarking

"England? One day I could go there."

"I used to watch Premier League game son TV as a kid. Players like Roy Keane, Eric Cantona, Zola and Asprilla at Newcastle. I think I could adapt to England and score goals."


So, are we to miss out on this talented guy?

Is our interest real?

Or is it all just paper talk?



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The Journalist

Writer: Merlin Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday October 9 2012

Time: 4:39PM

Your Comments

i love to see him at Chelsea, but is the price right ?
JackSufre
Surely he attracts interest from top clubs as he is a top striker, so anything is possible, and more then likely, come start of next season he will not be atletico player any more. Where he will go is pure speculation for now.
zg2000fs
a comment form a liverpool fan on the espn site for this story: liverpool_nz. Winning the Champions League was the best thing ever for Chelsea, they can rebuild their squad without FFP conflicting with them because of the winnings they made, their loses for transfers won't be an issue. City won't be able to go on a player binge, Chelsea looking good to dominate the league for the up coming seasons unfortunately, it means tolerating their horrid fan base. Haha, love us or hate us, our line up will be massive and one that sends fears onto opponents defenses!!! The asking price is 60m which is a massive one and not sure we'll pay that kind of money for him even though he is the best finisher right now, but is not guaranteed for success in the EPL! Maybe, if we do Torres, plus 15-20m will be enough for them! But Atletico really need the money so can't see it happening either. One thing is for sure, it will be very tough to get this deal done, IF we even try/do get this done!
Tiraspol
No, no and no to anything above 35-million pound. Yes he scored a hat-trick against us on 'a bad day' but scoring in goals in EPL is totally different from scoring in other leagues. Why can't we buy our own Falcao a little amount and cause him to be admired by others?
munich Glory
I have a bad feeling about this. It seems like Every time we sign a world class striker,they flop so I think Roman should learn from the Shevchenko & Torres purchases
blueblood92
for this season we should stick with torres then we should give youngsters like lukaku and danny a chance or get a top young natural scorer like liandro damiao like liverfols did with torres and suarez
pego sama
Mancini was present in the stands against Malaga. However, it appears he was there to watch the 20 year old Isco who is being courted by Juventus (probably not going to happen) because of the price to land Isco. Man City have also had a 25mm Euro offer for Jovetic rejected. This is the 2nd time fiorentina is rejecting offers for the player. On Falcao though, the general manager had the following to say: "The €60m for Falcao would immediately remove Atletico's economic problems," Gil Marin said. "But Falcao will carry on here, certainly until the end of the season. If Atletico don't get into the Champions League or we can't afford to pay Falcao then I don't think even Real Madrid could cover that." Read more at http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/174075.html#hOItzoLrmcJdLkuO.99
KAKUfrank
I remember him watching hazard.
chuks09
I also don't agree with folks about this theory about scoring goals on the EPL. Almost every single player that has come from the La Liga to the EPL have ended up being the best or most vital players for their teams. Torres for Pool. Alonso for Pool. Yaya Toure, Aguero and David Silva for Man City. Mata for Chelsea and Michu for Swansea. The records and performances, in fact, indicate that the EPL is a cake walk for La Liga players.
KAKUfrank
€60mm for Falcao is almost a bargain for the player. Messi, Ronaldo and Falcao sit as the best 3 finishers in footy today. They are also a couple of factors that benefit Chelsea if they do make a bid. Firstly, the currency exchange benefits Chelsea. €60mm is £48mm. Secondly, we have assets that can be offloaded to reduce the impact of a £48mm outlay. If Falcao comes to Chelsea, there is a almost a 50% probability that Sturridge will leave given where his contract status is today. Going by the value of English forwards in the league today, we can estimate we"ll get at worst an £8mm - £10mm compensation from someone. Third (I am not saying we'll sell Torres nor am I advocating it), Chelsea can offload Torres to someone for £15mm - £20mm. Although that means, Chelsea will record the £15mm - £20mm loss on selling Torres. However, that can be made up from the sales of Kakuta and co in the summer and the release of some senior players as well.
KAKUfrank
I have a feeling about Torres, well I have always had that feeling but I am sure this time I am right. Anyway Radamel is great. He proved me wrong when he moved from Porto to Atletico and became a success in La Liga, so I learned my lesson and I have absolute respect for the guy. That being said I think we should trust what we got in Torres and trust what we'll have in Lukaku. If he can get that first touch right and some confidence on the ball then he will be some other kind of awesome. We won't sell Torres as he is on high wages and we'd need to pay him off, and I just know that he'll start banging in the goals for another club ala Pizzaro at Bremen...and that'll hurt more than anything coz of the amount we paid for the Torres. On a side note what of perhaps sneaking in for Ballotelli, maybe the influence of another Italian maybe just what he needs, we all saw how he performed under the Italian coach at the Euros, maybe RDM (considering the revival in front of our own eyes of Fernando 4 goals in 7 league games - two in two against clubs that finished above us last term) could do something with the troubled italian, or a turn him into his very own Luca Brasi who knows...RDM is the Godfather, the results say so, the mafioso manner with which he approaches the media and tough situations say so, maybe Mario could be an option for us if Falcao joins Man City.
Gian-Franco/Luca
Lets face it...Strurridge is gone in January. So that leaves Torres and Lukaku...Chelsea will purchase a CF in January...Falcao would be my 1st choice..
lamarochs
Falcao is the best striker in the world at the present moment and for another few seasons yet. To have him would just make us complete, but again it's the price.
Blue1989
Falcao is the best striker in the world at the present moment and for another few seasons yet. To have him would just make us complete, but again it's the price.
Blue1989
KAKU.Could not agree more.Even such a high price is a bargain for him.He scored a hat-trick against the world's best defence.Messi and Ronaldo(in the big games),are not as good as Falcao.This guy is a match-winner.He can single-handedly win games.Even if he stays for three years,he will do wonders.Get him for any price I don't give a feck.He deserves to be one of the most expensive transfers in football.He is a genius.He will murder the opponents.I wanted him badly when AVB became our manager.And can't believe a few guys are complaining of his price.Its Roman's money and you don't have to pay some additional tax for his transfer.So,just shut up.This guy is a beast.I rate him above Messi and Ronaldo(although those two are different type of players).Get him for any price you can Roman.I predicted that he'll score a hat-trick against us(if you see in the predictions' article of that game) and he did.He is just too good.Don't have more words to describe this player.Roman should do whatever he can to get him.Quickly,get this deal done.I will go mad with joy.This does not mean Torres should leave.:-)
cfc250
Iam more fond of the idea of buying Balotelli.But we cannot fool anyone,he would take a huge investment in excess of 30M pounds as well.However,Balotelli is young and that could compensate for his price if RDM somehow manages to tame him.But most importantly,we should get hold of Sturridge.Mark my words,if we let him go we will bitterly regret it but it will be too late.Playing Torres in all matches makes no sense and I really hopes Di Mateo sees this in some part of the season and gives him the place in the starting lineup he has always dreamt of.That way we will keep him in our ranks for sure.Although if I have to be perfectly honest I would consider a Sturridge for Balotelli trade.
Simeon23
Perhaps one has to correct the impression here that because the torres signing flopped so therefore we should not take the risk of signing falcao cos there is a chance that he too may flop. Torres was a bad business, does one bad business stop an ambitious businessman from doing another big transaction that can maximize his returns when such rare business opportunity arises. When we signed torres in january 2011, he was already going down form wise and have had a terrible year blighted by injuries and had only had one good game all year; against us. But we were blinded by his class, the torres of old(form is temporary and class is permanent). We made that mistake then and we shouldnt continue to blame ourselves for it neither should we allow it to cloud our judgements in making future decisions. We have already assembled a great team and we are just one clinical world class striker(one who can convert half chances) from having a complete lineup that is capable of beating any team in the world. Falcao is in the form of his life, an all round striker. If it means we have to sell all our onloan players and do new sponsorship deals to sign him, so fecking be it. Real madrid broke world records twice to sign 2 players. One flopped but the other is the reason why they are still challenging barca as the world best club. Signing falcao in january might be the difference between us finishing 2nd, 3rd or even outside top 4 and winning the league. I simply no longer have faith in torres becoming even half the player that he once was which is the kind of player that we need if we are serious about being title challengers. I would even play danny ahead of him cos i believe that if we give danny a good run of games, he would do better than torres is doing now. Now thats my opinion and we are all entitled to our opinions.
Chelz Akamz
Balotelli - please....RDM won't want to change his diapers.
lamarochs
I haven't given up on Torres yet...I won't pass judgement until January...but Sturridge is gone...if he won't sign an extension to his contract why in the hell would Chelsea keep him...he is gone. So, Chelsea needs another CF and Falcao is it...
lamarochs
I am glad more and more VC guys are seeing this the way i have seen it for quite some time. Now that Atletico have today confirmed their willingness to listen to offers i would say getting Radamel Falcao should be our priority no 1 for this coming January. It looks like Danny may be the one to move and as i have said again and again getting Falcao is not to replace el nino but to compliment him. City have Tevez, Dzeko, Arguero and Ballotelli, ManU have RVP, Rooney, Welbeck and chicarito..Barca have Messi, Villa, Pedro and sanchez, Real have Ronaldo, Benzema, Higuan and callejon. It is high time we had at least one world class game changing finisher in our ranks. I like the sounds of us lining up El Nino, falcao, Lukaku and if possible also danny. I also agree with the comments of some here that getting a player of falcaos quality can change a clubs fortunes from top 4 to title winner, can change status from a contender to a cup winner..that is why all the other clubs mentioned above spent a fortune getting those 1-2 players in their ranks that are such game changers..we got it wrong with the El Nino signing and we failed to get this guy when he was cheaper and literally begging to come to us while AVB was here with us ...this is the last chance we will get to get him because his next move will be to where he will hit his peak form..Come January it will be a straight out battle between us, city and PSG for this guy..i hope our relative dearth of strikers and our favorable relations with Atleti (Courtois et al) will give us the edge we will need to win this the way we did with the race for Hazard.
GabeU
For me if we get Falcao as our number one striker, what does that do to our team? Bench Torres? Surely we can't look at 50m pounds worth of a sub and he won't like it one bit... so not sure who he would compliment Torres if only one of them starts. If both start, who do you bench???? I really like the way we are set up right now with Oscar/ Hazard /Mata, so changing the formation or playing Torres behind Falcao is wasting one of the mentioned trio... so lots of thinking has to go into this move and it has to be done right for the right balance of the team, otherwise there's no point in doing it at all!!
Tiraspol
Sign Falcao and sell Torres....... If we get this guy, we won't need Torres anymore (and I'm a Torres fan btw)..... WE SHOULD NOT SELL STURRIDGE..... Some of you don't get it... Danny is a gem... we should give him more time and another contract
The Persian
Firstly why would we want to spend 30mil on Balotelli? Seriously, the guy has a screw loose, and it would be a very bi (and very expensive) gamble. Secondly, I always felt Having Torres, Sturridge and Lukaku would be a sufficient strike force. I remain a big fan of Sturridge and totally back the kid. Hes got a ton of talent, pace, trickery and finishing ability along with being home grown status which is handy. He is also versitile enough to play wide if need be or as a second striker (if we ever moved from a one striker formation). If he does in fact go, then yes we will need some more firepower in attack. One could argue that recalling Lukaku may be enough as we play one striker only. If Falcao came which I am not against at all, I just dont see how we fit he and Torres into this squad.. 2x 50mil pound players for one position? I dont see it guys. Its one or the other. I have been frustrated with Torres at times but still rate him, and can see him getting better as the seasons progresses, and I will continue to back and any other play that plays for us until they leave. If Falcao came and and Torres left however I would not have a gripe with it. Falcao is right up there with the most lethal and clinical finishers in Europe. I would just hope it doesnt take him 18 months to find form as it has Nando.
BlueKiwi
@Persian.Sturridge may be talented but we need match-winers like Drogba.Sturridge,in my opinion,doesn't come in the category of matchw-winners.
cfc250
Please no Mario Balotelli.He's as selfish as Sturridge.His attitude sucks and he will create drama on the field.
cfc250
Demba Ba would be a better option than him.
cfc250
@cfc250 - Sturridge was more of a match winner than Nando last year. Drogba only rose up in champs league in big games mainly, and Sturridge has (as others have pointed out before) scored important goals against big teams. I personally think it would be foolish to write of Sturridge as I can absolutly see this kid coming good elsewhere if we cut him adrift. It would be a real shame.
BlueKiwi
I too agree that Sturridge is gone in Jan. Chelsea already looking for his replacement in the market. heard that we are scouting Remy, Huntelaar and Oliveria. All these can act as a back up for torres. they wont complain. But Falcao..I doubt...we will pay 48m and then make a bench of either 48m striker or 50m striker...is that affordable...but there is no doubt about the quality falcao will bring to the team and the title chances will improve drastically. Also, heard that david villa is sidelined at barca after his spat with messi...we can try him....
Blu_run
60 million for an overhyped striker who scored hatrick against us is a bargain...60 million is a bargain for 27 year old player....wow people are still in their dreams...falco is just a good striker who is currently going through a great form but that doesnt mean we.have to pay over the odd for him....i think chelsea are smart enough to burn thier finger once again buy paying over the odd over a striker....this deal wont happen at all...
shlok27
BlueKiwi.Maybe thats your opinion.But in my opinion,Sturridge is just another overrated English player.I cannot remember him scoring any match-winners.I cannot remember him scoring a single goal against the top teams or getting us out of trouble like Drogba.English players have never been match-winners apart from Gerrard,Lampard,John Terry and Ashley Cole.He has scored goals against the mid-table teams.If he's ready to be third-choice,then its okay otherwise he should.Torres,may not be at his best currently,but he's a proven match-winner even at the International stage.Torres has scored goals time and again against us,Man UTD,Barcelona,Real Madrid,etc.He's proven match-winner.I hope he gets back to his best.Else,we will have Falcao anyway.And Drogba played well in the PL.He has won the golden boot twice.It was only last season that he played well only in the CL big games.
cfc250
I don't judge strikers by their talent.I judge them by their match-winning abilities.
cfc250
shlok27.Judging by your post,I think you have not even seen 10% of his matches.Even Drogba was signed at the age of 26.
cfc250
Falcao is a "Ballon D'Or" material.Torres was never that.He flopped doesn't mean that every striker will.This guy is a genius.Even,I was given a choice between Hazard and Falcao,I would sign Falcao.
cfc250
Sturridge is better upfront than torres and I would say RDM needs to start him soon and see what he can do before selling him off, we might have a top striker in our hands and we'll regret selling him, o prefer we give torres out for 5m than selling sturridge, who is 22 and is a clinical finisher, he scored some good goals last season and is way better than torres right now, the little cameos he got before he got injured was good, if roman wants falcao, he'll get him latest by january 5th, that's how roman is, if he wants u he'll get u. Sell torres in january and keep sturridge, I won't mind having sturridge and nelson oliveira than having torres.
Desmondadonis
Desmond.Sturridge is not a match-winner.I don't know why you want him.Jermaine Defoe is much better than him and in my opinion,the most underrated striker the world has ever seen.
cfc250
I won't give up on Torres unless he scores less than 18 goals in all competition before x-mas.
zosBlue
@cfc juding by your comment you have become a blind falcoa worshipper....i have seen his game i dont think he is worth 60 million...he is good striker and he is in good form that all i can say but is he worth that price nope not allll....he has got overhyped by the media and by some vital chelsea supporter....you rate him above messi and ronaldo and would prefer him above hazard...after that comment i dont have anything to say....i think you have got crush on him...:-P
shlok27
I have been watching him from Porto.His worth more than 60 million.Yes,the media usually overhype many players but thats not the case with Falcao.You start watching the La Liga.Maybe,you will change your opinion.Yes,Falcao is match-winner.Ronaldo,Messi and Hazard are just too gifted thats why they produce so much of brilliance.But Falcao is more of a match-winner and a big game player.
cfc250
If we go for falcao, we'll lose sturridge who I believe should stick with us bcoz of his unique skills of changing the game. And I expect lukaku to being in our squad next year. Enough money has been spent...
shaf86
Sturridge is not a clinical finisher. He is a poacher, but not a clinical finisher at all. Besides that, his all around play which are other qualities that Torres possesses is seriously lacking which are: build up play, decision making, passing ability, knowing the surrounding of other players around you is quite lacking. Hold up is as poor as Torres's. A few cameos here and there this season doesn't change that fact.
KAKUfrank
Cfc250, how can u blindly support a player that's not a chelsea player and disregard the one we have, I don't like sturridge much mind u, but I admire his skill and know he'll be important for us, he scored almost 13 goals last season from the wing, how are you sure he won't perform if he striked for us in the CF? Are u a seer or prophet? We are all hipocrites we chelsea fans, we are hating ourselves for letting borini, miroslav stoch, lukaku(loan) go, are we going to let this boy go through ignorance, give him a run of games consecutively, like 15 mins cameos as the striker in about 10 Straight games before we decide, it will unfair if we can't give him that much respect in my own opinion. He earned it
Desmondadonis
Kaku that's ur opinion and I disagree, the fact that the young boy scored more than torres last season alone is enough for me to put my faith in him and give him a chance as a chelsea fan, the boy is 22 and torres is 29, so the difference is clear and the comparison itself is unjustified! Sturridge is a fantastic player that can be a world class player if properly nutured
Desmondadonis
@cfc i have watched him in laliga also but than also paying 60 million for him is way too much for him...what im saying is he is a good striker but not worth 60 million...we have spend good money this season on bringing so many young attacking players which we were.missing it badly and i dont think we have to spend that much of money on a striker...and now with those midfielders we can create so many chances for the striker...we just need a decent enough striker who can scores when he gets that chance....yaa torres is out of form but still he is scoring even tough he is out of form and sturridge can do the job quite brilliantly when given chance....lukaku is young and raw but next season he will be quite different and more mature...we dont need a 60 million plus striker to score goal for us...we have players who can do that job brilliantly...
shlok27
Good player no doubt. But that price and the FFP coming up?
Kendemsblue
World class really? Be careful how we throw this world class words around. Been hearing that about English forwards for the past 5 years and Rooney is the only thing that comes close. He may have scored more goals than Torres, but that's last season. That has nothing to do with this season. Yes as a striker you are supposed to score goals, but overall play is equally as important as the goals you score which quite frankly, Torres by far outperforms Daniel in that regard as their overall contribution (goals, assists, work rate) last season indicates. 3 seasons ago, Malouda was the top scorer for Chelsea. If I remember correctly, Didier was playing badly, but never would I have thought Malouda contributed to the team more than DD (even though he wasn't scoring). Drogba was doing the little things that mattered which led to Malouda scoring those goals. Torres maybe fluffing his chances which is annoying as feck, but make no mistake about it, he is been the reason we beat Reading, Newcastle and Arsenal this season. He was totally useless on the pitch if he wasn't scoring before. Nowadays, he is either going to steal ball and launch a pass to Lampard/mata/hazard/Oscar who will in turn feed someone else or he will score when no one expected him to score. Sturridge is just a poacher and most poachers irrespective of what clubs are sitting on the bench.
KAKUfrank
We should trade Torr-Mentor for Falcao...a striker without confidence is a waste of space
@Mq
Fair point kaku, but what really are you judging sturridge on really? How many games has he lead the line with us? Sturridge for a lot of last season was one of the better players on the pitch playing in an unfamiliar role. He's young so he's raw, yes, and there are definite areas of his game which can and should improve if we allow it to. Let's remember you are comparing an exiciting young talent whom has not yet been given his chance to a proven and much older Torres who has been there and done that. Now I'm not going to argue one is better than Tue other as its a silly argument until sturridge is given similar game time up front. In truth none of us really know how good he is given the little we have all seen of him, Torres on the other hand, well, we all have our own opinions of just how good we think he is......
BlueKiwi
Falcao is stronger (looks stronger anyways) hungrier (he wants to score at every chance) younger and more confident (the way he scores, he just takes every chance) than Torr-Mentor (missed a 1on1 because he was scared to take the shot right away)
@Mq
@shlok, you really think Falcao is overrated. Name 5 strikers that have scored 30+ goals every season for the past 3 seasons in Europe? Name 5 strikers that has scored in every finals of a competition he's been involved in the last 3 seasons in Europe? Name 5 strikers that has won a trophy every season he has played in Europe? Mention the world class midfielders that have played with Falcao in the last 3 seasons. An Armageddon for defenders and nightmares for keepers. The only striker who is always present in the box whenever a chance is created. One way or the other, he is always trying to touch that ball in the box or forcing defenders to clear it out. He is a natural disaster. There is a stat out there that he scores 4 goals out of 5 clear cut 1 on 1s with the keeper, better than Messi at 3 and Ronaldo and Tevez at 2.5. RVP at was at 2.
KAKUfrank
There's no other 'top' club in the world that tolerates what Torr-Mentor is doing (or not doing) because a striker is primarily supposed to score before anything else, and Torr-Mentor ain't doing that. I understand about his assists but we didn't spend 50Mil for an "assist" person, we paid for a goal scorer that can score, and looking at how Van Persie scores it's embarrassing that we keep a striker that needs 3 chances to score, Kalou is a reminder of such characteristics...I love Torr-Mentor and he's my fav player but the club comes first, and for the club to go further we need to wean off lesser performers like Torr-Mentor and Mikel, get better players and we are strong enough...We'll never win a Champions League with Torr-Mentor as our sole striker, maybe as a 2nd striker but him leading the line?? Forget it
@Mq
We have (well most anyway) backed and given Torres close to two years of support, playing very regularly in the position that best suits him. Most have made excuses for him when he has played poor-average, and sung his praises when he has looked decent s if he was the best around. In truth he has not lived up to his 50 mil price tag since being at Chelsea and he has not earned his 180k wage per week. I don't think anyone can honestly say he has really. He's had barely 6 months of 'good' form, but not best form, and we are ready to write off our highest scorer from last season, who is immensely capable and yet still to be given any kind of run of games.
BlueKiwi
Falcao (present) and Sturridge (future) over Torr-Mentor and Lukaku...If Lukaku can be given a chance why not Sturridge, who is faster, has more dimension than Lukaku and versatile enough to play wing when necessary?? I'm with you on Sturridge BLUEKIWI
@Mq
Is Torres a clinical finisher, poacher? What is he really? a creative playmaking forward? if sturridge is just a poacher, then I hate to think what Torres has been over the last 2 year's. Falcao is an upgrade to Torres. If both are in the same squad, good luck to our manager as it would take the absolute best man management skills to keep 100 mil worth of strikers rotating for one another on a weekly basis and keeping them both happy.
BlueKiwi
trade Torr-Mentor+30Mil for Falcao and we good BLUEKIWI then we also retain Sturridge as his sub...we'll be stronger than we are now, no team will pay half of what we paid for Torr-Mentor that tells you something
@Mq
@mq, I know we have had this discussion before. I'm all for sturridge getting his chance (and lukaku for that matter, I was originally against his loan move), if he has yet to earn the right to it then I'm afraid any talented young striker is just about forever doomed to break through. If someone like borini was still with us and had played as well and scored as much as Danny last year we would be shouting from the rooftops for him to have a chance.
BlueKiwi
I wouldn't say over falcao, but I think Walcott would be a great signing for us. Not as a winger, because he is terrible if he has to beat a player or cross, but his one on one finishing is actually fantastic. With his pace aand the people behind who can pass it through to him with ease, he would thrive. Now if we get the same from sturridge I would be happier, but it's a suggestion.
Mia Maynard
Anyways, to summarise my thoughts, falcao is an upgrade to Torres up front but I can't see both together as I don't see us playing two strikers given our depth of top class attacking midfielders. My preferance would be retention, development and utilization of sturridge, and eventually lukaku on his return. I won't however lose sleep if Torres remains and falcao doesn't come. I am still a Torres fan afterall..
BlueKiwi
Van Persie needs more than 3 chances to score for Man U. Check his games out this season. Anyone who knows my stance here know I have repeated, if we want to win a trophy, Torres and Sturridge cannot be our strikers. So it is not about Sturridge or Torres. Torres for reasons already known and Sturridge is quite frankly overrated to the core by a lot of folks. Malouda is a better finisher than Sturridge is. Just as Ancelotti, AVB, RDM and co haven't solved torres's form and brought back the Torres of old, Ancelotti, AVB, and RDM have not allowed Sturridge to lead the line. He was in fact looking to be transferred out of Chelsea on the last day of the window because we were still deliberating on what striker to sign. As far as all the other kids, Borini hasn't scored a goal yet in the Pl, no one is talking about stock since we have better players like Marko Marin and Moses and Scott Sinclair is another overrated player. What players like Sinclair and Sturridge are doing at 23 and 24 and people are hailing as potential, Brazilian kids and la Liga young boys are doing at 19, 20 and 21. Sturridge and Sinclair are 23. Oscar and Hazard have already taken starting spots and are 2 years younger while Mata is just a year older than Sinclair and Sturridge. Yet, look at the difference in class.
KAKUfrank
True kaku but if I recall before this season started many were saying how it was such a loss having a borini at Liverpool etc (perhaps a bad example on my part). Difference I think with some of the imports is that they are able to develop in la liga, ligue1 which are generally not as strong as bpl and therefore are able to learn their trade in an easier environment. They have been given consistant game time, and in most cases consistant game time in their true roles vs. Sturridge and Sinclair whom have arguably had to fight longer to get more regular game time at the top level. Again I'm not saying sturridge is better or worse than others but only that I think its harsh to give full and total judgement on a very young and talented 'striker' based on not even a handfull of games being played as one
BlueKiwi
The potential from elsewhere have been allowed to develop the potential into something. Would you say sturridge has had the same surroundings to learn and grow, improve and actually given the same oppurtunities?
BlueKiwi
KAKU I agree we'll never win anything with Torr-Mentor but Sturridge is still developing, us selling him will only mean we'll keep buying forever. Torr-Mentor is a waste (my fav player sadly) but I have to disagree on your comparison of Sturridge to Brazilian players because if those same players had come to Chelsea at the age Sturridge came they wouldn't have gotten the amount of game time they got to develop and they'd be in the same boat. Managers choose players mostly out of fear of criticism if the team loses so it's pointless using that as reason why Sturridge cannot lead the line, he needs the game time and you'll see his potential, the man packs a mean shot, is fast, and can dribble...food for thought, who do you rate higher between Lukaku & Sturridge??
@Mq
recall Ballack et al singing Kakuta's praises when he joined us?? He could arguably been doing what Hazard is doing had he been getting game time because they are similar players, but he joined us too early and didn't develop further
@Mq
he is the man
Chelsea n Torres Fan
@BlueKiwi, do you know Oscar is 2 years younger than Sturridge, less experienced than Sturridge and has only played less games than Sturridge in the Brasilero, but HAS COMMANDED a starting shirt at Chelsea alongside a 30mm player like Hazard and a Chelsea starting XI like Mata. It isn't just a skills and development thing too, it is a mental maturity as well. It is not just the ability to score, build up play, skills etc....but the maturity. I remember when people say Sturridge is selfish. He is this and that. I however posed the question is it selfishness or is it just the inability? Kalou had the same impressive scoring stats that Sturridge had at Bolton in the Dutch league around the same age. Kalou also had impressive scoring stats on the wing or wherever he played for Chelsea and I can remember the calls for him to be given chances. Over the years we found the truth which is he just wasn't good enough compared to the existing talents. Sturridge maybe a young promising striker, but they are a lot of young promising strikers who are better and even younger. The young and promising words have been attached to players like Sturridge, Adam Johnson, Walcott, Kalou and Lennon for years and the cries for them to be given chances have been echoing for years too. However, the coaches who have coached those players over the years have done something different. Minus Rooney, a lot of these guys could end up being worse than Kalou. Sturridge could end up being a world beater for the likes of Pool if paired upfront with Suarez, but leading the line for Chelsea against Barcelona in March/April? I haven't seen anything as at today.
KAKUfrank
KAKU I agree about the mentality thing but if you were Chelsea and had to choose between Sturridge and Lukaku as your 2nd striker (from the bench type) who would you choose??
@Mq
@Mq, he packs a mean shot, has pace and can dribble. Other than that.....what else? Walcott, Adam Johnson and Aaron have 3 of those skills as well. What about footballing brains? Decision making ability? Ability to remain calm in the big games or when the pressure is piled up because that is what Chelsea faces all the time. The argument about development is not a complete one at all because we don't know where he would be if he was at another club. One can use the same argument about Sinclair, Lennon and Walcott yet, those guys are getting enough game time for years in the premier league and still can't afford to clean Juan Mata's boots while he was at Valencia. Sinclair has received games at Swansea for how many years now and he won't get ahead of Marko Marin or Moses in this squad so let's stop using this argument. Flashes of brilliance and potential does not mean a player is a world beater at all. What Rooney was doing at 17 and 18 for Everton was what convinced Fergie to start playing him at United. The players have to scream world beater and convince the coach in training and various exercises to bench players ahead of him. Sturridge hasn't commanded that at all. As far as Sturridge and Lukaku is concerned, I can't rate the two of them just yet. Time will tell and it is way to early to be doing so. Lukaku has shown the physical abilities, speed, heading and shooting abilities thus far, but he needs to be groomed carefully because we'll keep shouting potential all the way to he is 23.
KAKUfrank
why must we SPEND so much cash just to have a good striker, can't we groom 1???
Slippy G-19
@Slippy G-19, mention the top 10 teams in Europe and mention which of their strikers were groomed minus Barcelona. Minus Messi, mention the last 3 strikers groomed by Barcelona.
KAKUfrank
As an example, Ancelotti was blamed for not developing our young boys, but he was the coach who gave most of them game time and introduced them to the Stamford Bridge crowd. In case people don't know this and if you buy his book, you'll recognize this fact, Carlo Ancelotti was the one who gave the Duck (Pato) and Kaka all their debut and included them in the teams to develop. He was benching big world class players at the time in order to give Pato and Kaka their chances. If he couldn't do it with Sturridge, the honest reality is he wasn't good enough.
KAKUfrank
KAKU...I'm not saying he is complete but he has shown enough to warrant calls for more game time so he improves. Sturridge would be starting for any other sub-9 club (bottom 11) so he has the potential, perhaps this selfishness is derived form him wanting to prove his abilities at the expense of the team cohesion and who can blame him given how 'ruthless' we are with our academy prospects. I don't rate Walcott et all any higher but they get more game time than Sturridge so comparing him to them is pointless, but if we not going to give Sturridge game time and send him to loan at Bolton (no top club will take loan players) where he excels and still say he isn't good enough then what can he do?? You rightly say he must scream world class, but you can only do that with consistent football and we won't give him that, who do we fault for that??
@Mq
Pato hasn't improved @KAKU and Kaka was world player, he's 1 of the unique players (even Rooney hasn't been world player) so it's an unfair comparisomn. Don't get me wrong, Sturridge isn't world class yet but let's give him the same support and game time as the 50Mil-10goals man and see what he'll do, I'd bet h'd outscore Torr-Mentor
@Mq
Comparing him to those players are pointless? Not sure if you spent a second to review what I wrote and the spouting....... I said the argument about how chances and giving game time are reasons for where players are today is a false one. If we had bought Walcott from Southampton and Lennon and they weren't given chances at Chelsea, a lot of folks here will be using the same argument that had their been given chances their they will prove to be world beaters. However, the likes of Walcott and Lennon have been given chances and they are quite frankly not world beaters. So the argument that Sturridge should be given chances will prove..........is not a complete one at all. Sturridge simply does not get chances because they are not good enough right now. Period. From the first day you see Mata and Oscar, you see footballer written over them before you even mention game time. The only thing you see in Sturridge is pace, ability to beat a man and ability to shoot screamers (how many of those has he even scored?)....Everybody has that. The only thing that screams out lie crazy is the fact that he is a poacher, but poachers ain't starting in footy any more. There is a reason Ferguson spent close 30mm pounds on a soon to be 30 year old striker rather than giving a young upcoming poacher in Chicharito more chances.....
KAKUfrank
Pato hasn't improved because he has been bugged down by injuries for the past 3 seasons. However, at 18, Carlo Ancelotti was starting him at AC Milan. You can't say that for Daniel Sturridge who hasn't been bugged down by injuries.
KAKUfrank
I won't play Lukaku or Sturridge on the bench. Lukaku is 19 and barring any crazy injuries, the boy has more than 10+ years of football left in. He should stay at West Brom and he will develop more than at Chelsea. He needs more game time now and not the pressure of chasing trophies. When we are facing Man U or Man City and the game is tied, we need strikers who have the experience and maturity to win the game for us within 10 minutes and throwing such pressure on a 19 year old kid is ridiculous. Lukaku is already scarred by his experience last year. He doesn't need further like that. As it is now, he has played 216 minutes in the premier league for West Brom plus another 70+ minutes in the Carling Cup. Let him stay there for a season or 2. Come January 1st and going by what Chelsea is doing, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard and Daniel Sturridge will be free to discuss with clubs for their summer transfers. Sturridge is already on 60k a week. He is just 23 so any other contract has to better than his current salary of 60k a week so maybe 80k a week. I don't see Chelsea going up at all or breaking the bank for him so he will probably be leaving between January and the summer. Just sign Falcao, and wait for Bilbao to release Llorente for free in the summer.
KAKUfrank
If Sturridge at 23 is not as good as Oscar at 21, Rooney at 20, Ozil at 20, Thomas Muller, Mario Goetze at 19, Pato (when healthy), then why are we screaming for chances if at 23, the players is not up these young players just mentioned. The only reason we are screaming for Sturridge to get more chances is because Torres is fluffing his chances. If we had a Falcao, will any of you be screaming for Sturridge to get more chances? If VC can scream for Oscar to get more chances of footy in spite of the performance of Mata and Hazard, then that's when you know you've got a player. If the reason for playing a footballer is because the other player is ***** and not because the player is world class, then that's not a good enough reason to play the player because one way or the other another striker who is not ***** will show up. The only reason we played Kalou on the left wing last season was because he was less ***** than Malouda and not because he was a world beater. The moment Eden Hazard showed up, everybody forgot about Kalou and Malouda.
KAKUfrank
KAKU.I hope we get Falcao.I want him badly.He's a Ballon D'Or material.Desmond.I told you before the game on Twitter that he will score a hat-trick.And I have seen this guy for a long time.He's a genius.With Sturridge leading the attack,we can neither win the PL nor the CL.Not being a prophet,but if you want to win big games and chase lost games,Sturridge is not the man.Thats where Drogba was best.You need big-game strikers who can perform under pressure like Drogba,Shevchenko,Eto'o,Tevez,Torres(Liverpool).
cfc250
KAKU.You have summed up everything for I wanted to tell Desmond for Falcao and Sturridge.I hope he gets my point.Desmond,believe me,this guy is a wonder.He will do wonders.Mark my words.And he even has the support of Hzard,Mata,Oscar at Chelsea.I have seen him for a long time.I believed what you said about Victor Moses.And now time for you to believe me.
cfc250
under the condition that sturridge is not keen on extending his contract and was even looking to move out permanently on deadline day. So, practicaly I safely assume that sturridge will be gone in jan. We are looking for people like Remy, Oliveria as his replacement. If we go buy Falcao, it should be the replacement for Torres and not sturridge. We cannot afford to keep any one of them in bench....unless RDM has other plans for Torres (i imagine a role like Rooney for Torres...a free role, creative one...he can easily help resting mata/hazard/oscar in some matches)
Blu_run
KAKU.These English strikers and wingers are pacey with zero iq and poor decision-making and big-game flops.
cfc250
@kakufrank u are great
habbo
Roman,in my opinion,has made it too late.He should have signed him at the end of the first half of the Super Cup match.The window was open then.Now,he's late and other clubs are chasing him.I hope he ends up at Chelsea.
cfc250
@kakufrank u are smart and hope to add more , sturidge and lukaku are not cfc materials
habbo
hope 2 see falcao in cfc shirt soon
habbo
@KAKU.Sturridge is not.But its too early to comment on Lukaku.Yes,I am dying to see Falcao in a Chelsea jersey.I would be disgusted if goes to some other club.
cfc250
Sorry.I was addreesing you @habbo in the previous post.Apologies.
cfc250
Blu_run.That "Rooney" kind of a role requires good passing vision,ball retention and I must say Torres does not possess these qualities.
cfc250
@Kaku...Sturridge @23 is better than Drogba @24...even @26 Drogba's decision making and first touch was poor. When Jose brought him to Chelsea he was not really good in his first season, he was only good with his head like Chamack. All am saying is dont write Danny off he may not be perfect now but he may turn out to be a beast like Tevez, Aguero or Rooney in 2 or 3 years time. Falcao was not even as good as this when he was Oscar or Hazard's age.
SameX
Sturridge is very hard to shake off the ball, he is incredibly fast, skillful and sharp. He has a deadly left foot and would have scored 95% of those one on ones Torres wasted. His passing has improved, he was great whenever he came on the pitch before his injury, he caused all sorts of problems for QpR when he came on. He is different from other overrated English players, he has superior technical ability and skills.
SameX
If we get Falcao, Torres will certainly go, cos we can't bench Falcao for T9 and T9 will suck and get angry if we bench him for Falcao. Juventus need a CF, they offered 25m for Torres last summer, I say lets offer him to them for 20m and get 48m Falcao. Give Sturridge whatever he wants and let him be Falcao's backup. If Danny does not live up to expectations, we can sell him for good cash as he has already signed a new contract.
SameX
you make a very strong argument KAKU and I must admit that you are right about Sturridge not having 'outstanding' qualities but if your reasoning is that Lukaku needs more game time to improve then perhaps Sturridge too. Drogba started playing competitively at 25 and played well till he was 34, perhaps Sturridge could still reignite his career too. Mentality-wise, I believe Sturridge is hungry and has the desire to be a world beater, he needs more games and proper direction and he'll be a world beater, I believe so. Oscar is talented (no doubt) but thus far he's been a surprise package, I'll start really alluding to his genius when he performs under pressure (when defenders are now 'noticing' him) but you do have a point about the player being 'outstanding' to play for a top club like Chelsea at such a young age
@Mq
I'm with you SAMEX :)
@Mq
SameX.I am not questioning the player's talent but there's an ability to win matches from losing positions and perform in the big games which I don't see in Sturridge.Drogba may not be skillful,but his ability to win the big games and play like a beast are the reasons why he's so highly rated.Of whatever age a striker is,his football improves along with many other things,but the match-winning ability does not.
cfc250
wow @CFC250 was it not Sturridge that instigated our win vs Man$hitty last season?? What bigger game do you want....
@Mq
SameX.I agree with you on getting Falcao.He should be a Chelsea the minute the tranfer window opens.But Sturriodge is not good enough to be a back-up(not talent-wise but his ability to in matches).I hope you are getting me.
cfc250
@Mq.It was a collective team effort.And Meireles and Lampard scored.That penalty he won was Lescott's stupidity rather than Sturridge's great work.Could you point out any other games he has won for us?Di Matteo is not a fool to go on with Torres,despite him being out of form.He knows that Torres is a proven match-winner,even at the International stage.
cfc250
proven match winner for Torr-Mentor?? LoL...as for Sturridge, he led to the 1st goal that forced Man$hitty to attack and we counter attack hence we won, Lescott wasn't stupid but he was simply too slow for Sturridge hence the penalty. Other game's he's won?? Let's see, under AVB Sturridge played out of position and lesser games than Torr-Mentor but scored twice more than Torr-Mentor (12 goals if I recall) yet when RDM took over he wanted defensive players so he dropped. Sturridge has been guilty of shooting instead of passing but on the same breath he's scored more than "super passer" Torr-Mentor, he played like half the season last season but he was top3 goal scorer for us, how much more do you want a striker to do?? I'm not saying he's brilliant, but he has potential and unfortunately plays for 'always coveting' Chelsea
@Mq
Sturridge is another case of talent 'undeveloped' at Chelsea...Forget about McEachran because even if he plays well, as long as he's a Chelsea player he'l;l never be recognized...
@Mq
@cfc250 Sturridge singlehandedly won us the City game @the bridge, we had already conceeded one goal to a team on fire that destroyed united 6:1 @old trafford. Danny gave Clichy the game of his life, he destroyed him on more than 2 occasions, at a point Clichy could not mark him alone Lescott and Kompany had to help leaving plenty of space for Danny to cross for Raul to net the first goal, Clichy was having a terrible game and got sent off in the process, Danny blasted the goal bound shot that Lescott used his hands to block which led to the penalty for the winning goal.
SameX
thank you very much for clarifying SAMEX :)
@Mq
In the Fa cup game against Birmingham city we conceeded first and would have crashed out at the hands of a championship side until Danny bailed us out by scoring a wicked goal with his head to the far corner of post, it was a great goal for someone of his height. Torres was crap in that game. Remember Danny gave us the lead against QpR in a game I felt would be tight with a cracking right footed effort, that goal took all the pressure away.
SameX
on merit and merit alone Sturridge deserves to be starting ahead of Torr-mentor
@Mq
Against ManU @the Bridge, Danny destroyed Evra and another defender before blasting the ball at goal that led to Evans own goal. He rescued us against Spurs with his equalizing goal and scored our only goal in our 2:1 defeat against Liverpool. He scored the winning goal in the Carling cup against Everton. He was deadly in the first half against Arsenal @the bridge and exposed the gunners defence with his pace.
SameX
What I am against with this argument is that, let's give studge a chance to shine before we right him off, is that too much to ask? Atleast in future he won't bash us.
Desmondadonis
@SameX, Sturridge @23 is better than Drogba @24...even @26 is NON COMPARABLE. At 26, Drogba was scoring goals for Marseille and giving Champions League teams a headache that informed Mourinho to buy him. Prior to that, he was Guingamp keeping them afloat alongside Malouda. Don't compare Drogba and Sturridge as Didier Drogba did not actually attend a football academy and only started asserting himself as a football player at 21 WHICH WAS THE AGE he made his first team debut while Sturridge made his at 17/18 at Man City.....Can you imagine FrLamp beginning to train for for professional football at this age now? How can you compare FrLamp to a Daniel Sturridge who joined a football academy from a young age?
KAKUfrank
And i agree with @MQ, players like Danny with hunger and desire to be the best usually end up being world class players. The hunger in Danny was the kind of hunger in CR7 when he was with United. Danny wants to become the best, he wants to improve, he wants to score, he is full of confidence and he is not afraid to make attempt on goal. He may not be perfect now, but he will end up being one of the best CF's in the world if given the chance to shine.
SameX
Write* let's give him a chance at CF before we call him useless.
Desmondadonis
give him regular football and you'll see how good Sturridge is, mentality-wise he's ready
@Mq
@Falcao was not even as good as this when he was Oscar or Hazard's age. How do you know that mate? From the records available, he was average 1 goal every game at River Plate. Similar to Higuain before he left for Real Madrid. Falcao was the reason Porto moved Hulk to the right wing. @23, he delivered 25 goals in 28 games for Porto in his first season. Higuain from the same club (River Plate) was already benching Raul at 21 and 22.......So to say he wasn't that good is just wrong.......
KAKUfrank
agreed 100% with DESMOND :)
@Mq
if you were manager @KAKU who would you (realistically) have as starting CF and who would you have on the bench??
@Mq
All I am saying is that we should give studge a shot at CF role, I am not saying we should get falcao or not, let's just see what he can do there before we sell him off
Desmondadonis
Mentality wise, he is ready? Based on what his ability to make decisions? His decision making is terrible and football I.Q. is.......He should improve that first being saying he is ready. All he has is pace, shooting ability and ability to beat players. Quite frankly Theo Walcott has all 3 and he is a better finisher than Daniel Sturridge. Anyone who dares to debate, I challenge you to bring up all of Daniel Sturridge's goal last season and assess what is actually a Poacher's goal versus a pure finisher. Don't confuse to the 2 of them at all. Cameos against QPR count for nothing to be honest. I can call his cameo against Man U in the community shield during Ancelotti's season or Josh's cameos against Marseille or Torres's cameos against Aston Villa where he had a shot that hit the crossbar or a bunch of cameos. Cameos don't count for much. Everytime Lamps has made a cameo appearance in the double pivot alongside anyone other than Mikel, he threatens opposition. Do I use that to judge Lampsy's ability in the double pivot? So do cameos count for much? Full 90 minutes against opposition over a bunch of time and the coach's decisions during the season is what we should judge with NOT Cameos. He has 6 months left on his contract. The time for chances are too late. If he performs well, he will move to another club because they will offer him higher salary. When was the last time Chelsea gave any player an extension with 6 months left on their contract. If Chelsea value you, they will sign you to a new contract way before the tenor is ending. They did that with Luiz, Ramires and Mata.
KAKUfrank
As manager, my job is on the line and I will be canned if I don't win trophies. Secure Falcao in January. Torres and Sturridge on the bench. Sell Torres in the summer and let Sturridge go elsewhere and receive compensation and secure Llorente as backup. Leave Lukaku at West Brom to continue developing. Atletico said 60mm Euros which is the asking price. If they are really serious about selling go in with a 40mm Euro offer and look to secure the deal with 50mm - 55mm Euros. With Falcao, I am 100% sure I will win one of the CL, PL or FA Cup. MY JOB WILL BE SAFE.
KAKUfrank
SameX.He did not single-handedly win us that game.He did play a vital role though.I am afraid the one game you have pointed is the exception that proves the rule that he does not do well in the big games and he is a donkey with a zero iq,poor decision-making and is overrated like all the English wingers and strikers.Some idiots are comparing Rahim Sterling to Ronaldo.He is another overrated English winger with pace and zero brains.And Man City themselves are a bunch of donkeys,who despite spending so much win on goal difference and cannot get out of the group stages of the CL.This time I don't see them making to the knockout stages.@Desmond,him playing at CF has got nothing to do with his match-winning ability.Villa won matches for Spain from the wings as well as CF.He cannot win matches.He may be talented footballing wise but lacks the match-winning abilities.Even Ronaldo did not do well under pressure(by his standards),but made up for it by the exceptional talent he has.I am sure Sturridge is not as talented as Ronaldo and he cannot make up for it.
cfc250
agree with the Falcao stance but I'd use Torr-Mentor as makeweight
@Mq
KAKU.Falcao is a must and I am sure he will win us the CL in a year or two.But where did you get this idea of Llorente as a back-up?He wants to make it to Brazil in 2014 and he will go to a club where he will be a starter.Think of another back-up.Maybe Demba-Ba?
cfc250
KAKU.If Lukaku bangs 12-13 goals this season,can he become Falcao's back-up?He looks like a big-game player to me.
cfc250
Lukaku (1 trick pony) over Sturridge @CFC250?? I rest my case :(
@Mq
Lukaku can't dribble and is too slow, the 2 minimum attributes a striker needs to be successful (or @least have the chance) if anyone thinks Lukaku deserves a chance and Sturridge doesn't then clearly we not on the same 'thinking level'
@Mq
Atletico will not take Torres for swap. Forget that stance. They are looking for cash to reduce their heavy debt load not player swaps. My concern is who will Atletico sign in January.
KAKUfrank
for all the talk how good falcao is...he is too costly...so if we want to play i CL and comply with FFP i think we have to forget about him...and start playing our young talents to groom them in to the world beaters...
artem_sumy
falco falcoa my god seems like he is going to score 30 40 season per season....i think everyone here seems has got a crystal ball with them where they are seeing him scoring lots of goals for us....just blind faith all i can say...60 million fo a striker waste of money..
shlok27
When we bought torres, I was part of the peeps who says torres along with drogba will score over 50. Goals per season, alas both didn't get 25 goals, so we don't know what falcao will bring if he comes, I admire him, but as shlok said how come are we sure he is going to start banging it in
Desmondadonis
@Desmondadonis, check the threads and the forums. I was never a fan of signing Torres for 50mm because his form was poor. My choice was between Aguero and Cavani. The signs for signing Torres for 50mm was bad business. He was already in poor form for Spain and poor form for Liverpool under Hodgson. That was the clear sign of a player who was suffering. Signing a soon to be 30 year old Sheva was also a bad deal. In Arsene Wenger's Eurosport column, he said this about Cristiano Ronaldo: "When you talk about Ronaldo, no matter where he goes, he wins things and at the end of the season scores 50 goals," Falcao is in the same boat. He scores 30+ goals a season, wins trophies and scores in finals. Only Ronaldo and Messi can boast of such accomplishments in the last 3 years as well.
KAKUfrank
Kaku - maybe the argument of having less time and space to develop for Sturridge is flawed in some aspects, but surely you must see holes in your argument also given that you have predetermined that Sturridge isnt good enough of a striker for us, although he has only had 1 start as a striker from memory since the beginning of last season? Before that at Bolton where he was starting up top, he was banging in goals for fun with a midfield behind him that is really light years behind our current crop. The fact of the matter is, he is untested in his favoured role with Chelsea. He has shown flashes of what he may be capable of in the "cameos" he has had as a striker. I absolutly cannot see the rationale in judging the guy as not being good enough, when we have only see him for Chelsea been played as a winger, which given his characteristics of having an eye for the goal, vs an eye for a pass does not suit him, despite him having the pace and skills that most good wingers have. Sturridge has a better shot on him (power + distance) than Torres, in fact torres is a much bigger poacher than Sturridge, yet Sturridge is in all honesty better at that too given Torres lack of form until late.
BlueKiwi
When will Chelsea fans realize that drogba is gone?there will never be another drogba so stop comparing players,,,,sturridge in 3years will be a super star either at Chelsea or at any other club,,,,,,
Davidoff loco hombre
Look...Falcoa is not too expensive if Chelsea considers him to be a top 3 world class CF that is an upgrade to Torres. I would NOT spend the money to purchase another CF if the CF is not better than Torres. Even with Torres lack of confidence he is still adequate. I would not spend money on a 2nd tier CF as a squad player that is going to sit on the bench..waste of money. Chelsea might consider the purchase of a very young CF that would be a squad player at age 19 - 21 as a back-up. But this type of acquisition does not upgrade the CF position. I would rather spend the money for Falcoa than spend the money on a back up. Moreover, lets all realize Sturridge is gone as he will not extend his contract. So why all this Sturridge talk?
lamarochs
lamarochs - Until a deal is done (which it is not might I add), Sturridge is still our player. I had read rumours also at end of last transfer window like everyone, but nothing came of this, and seemed no club were willing to see out our valuation circa 20mil from what I had read. Whilst he may leave, yes, I think some have read too much into things as RDM has suggested he will get his oppurtunities, and he has been injured also. Its not like Malouda where he has been cast aside. If you have any information confirming Sturridge is definitly gone, please share. It would not be the first time that rumours have come to nothing but paper talk IF he doesnt leave at all. As for the suggestion of a squad player 19-21, we have Lukaku which fits this profile?
BlueKiwi
@Kaku - as for Sturridge not having been playerd by previous managementas a striker we must remember that under Ancellotti, he was very young, and got loaned for last 6 months of the season as was struggling for game time with the likes of both Torres, Anelka and Drogba ahead of him in the pecking order (I dont think any manager would have started him above them at that stage!?). His loan went well as we all know, and he came back to compete for a place under AVB. He then became a starter, all be it on the right side of the front three, as he again had the likes Drogba and Torres as the main 2 strikers, and Anelka at the start of the season. Again its very hard for any manager to displace any of these guys for the young lad. Fast forward to now, and Sturridge is the only other choice apart from Torres really, only for him to have succumbed to an injury which has kept him sidelined for weeks..
BlueKiwi
the following things are clear 1. Sturridge is not the first choice as striker. He will get chance to play say about 30% matches (including the low importance matches). He should play as subs for rest of the match. 2. Sturridge is not happy with this situation and is looking to leave the team. I doubt he will get regular starting berth in any team other than liverpool...so, it is better for him to sign the contract extension and start prioving himself to RDM. 3. If he is not signing, then chelsea will sell him in Jan and bring in Remy or Oliveria who may accept the roles. 4. We can verywell go with swap of Torres+25m pounds for Falcao...very welcome move...
Blu_run
i am strictly against the purchase of falcao just bcz it dont make any financial sense at all...CFC's scouting network is not like 5 yrs ago..They are doing somewhat good job with sensible and good young purchases..Why should be the striker is any different...Everybody is talking about how falcao is great and how 60m for him is peanuts...REALLY guys? Are our fans completely lost financial sense just bcz RA is pumping money into the club always..Falcao wil cost way more than the 50M quoted by Atl madrid..They are just testing the waters..Nothing else..Whether CFC psg wil come with a crazy bid..Yes AM is in big financial trouble but they wont sell like ppl think..BCZ in spain football clubs are immune..Govt wont ask the money from them..AM most of the financial pblm is with govt and tax authorities..Also falcao is 27 in another 3 months..Everybody in the football world know that the life time of striker is just under 30 yrs..Lets say CFC go crazy and sign falcao for 55M pound this january..He will sign a 5 yr contract with atleast 150K a week(AM may even pay more than 150k now)So weed to top that..It will dent a big hole with another 50M for the next 5 yrs..he can keep up his crazy form for 2 yr tops in my opinion..So our fans want us to spend upward to more than 110M pounds on a guy who wont even get 1M if we decide to sell him after 30 yrs of age...
sponnukumar
What do we actually need is falcao the player who played before PORTO days..Unknown player who could blow the world away in a year...Not a finished product who wil cost you more than £100 in total cost and may even flop in the EPL...Our fans should stop this obession with big name strikers and try to appreciate bargain world beaters..
sponnukumar
Falcao is currently the best and in form striker now..But i really dont think he is the way to go for cfc..We want a unknown good striker who wil score 20 to 30 goals..That is the way to for cfc if they want to break even and run like a business and make a name for themselves as shrewd operators in the market..
sponnukumar
What really matters is looking around the club and realizing that we have the player we are looking for in sturridge, it is just that he has never been given the chances.
Kendemsblue
@bluekiwi, as a matter of fact, Sturridge wasn't leading the line at Bolton. He was paired off Davies who was leading the line while Danny was poaching balls. Davies was the bull chasing defenders and worrying CBs while Danny played off of him and used the spaces he exploited to poach balls in. This is the same case with him at Chelsea. They was a reason Danny wasn't scoring goals on the pitch whenever Torres was on. He scored mostly when Didier was on the pitch. Didier was able to suck defenders in allowing Danny to exploit the spaces behind them or create one on one with the full backs. This is why I said he will flourish at Liverpool if Rodgers pairs him and Suarez upfront together. Suarez will do all the running while Sturridge will poach. That can't happen at Chelsea since we don't play 2 strikers upfront and play Oscar, mata and hazard behind 1 lone striker.
KAKUfrank
@sponnukumar, mention the unknown player that will score 20 - 30 goals a season. Secondly, Atletico Madrid is smoking serious weed if they think they will get more than €60mm for Falcao. That's his buyout clause. I don't think psg is involved. Their name is just being linked by the media. Thirdly, the statement about strikers just banging them in till just under 30 is false. Chelsea just finished the champions league with a 33 year old drogba. Price of amilan is still Diego Milito. Starting striker for PsG is ibrahimovich who is 31 while Eto and David villa are still banging it in at 31. Van Persie just looks like he is just heating up. Atletico Masrid has been warned by uefa to get their acts right if not they won't be getting any uefa payments. They still owe Porto the transfer fees for Falcao.
KAKUfrank
@Chelsea n Torres Fan How many times i hav to say that FFP is coming from next season..Chelsea must comply with it..Not for UEFA sake but for chelsea sake...You are saying it like if we just send a check to AM for 48M then he is ours..It not at all easy..Also stop comparing strikers with DD..Drogba didnt even started playing professionally before 22 yrs of age..He started his real carrier with marselle and with cfc..How much years he has played at TOP? 6 to 8 years to say the most..Last season DD is nowhere near his best at all...He scored important goals in important matches thats all..With this calculation Falcao wil most probably last for another 2 or 3 yrs...He already peaked with porto for 2 yrs and now AM for 2 yrs..Spending more than 100M on a guy who is 27 is outright lunacy even if he is ronaldo or messi..24 to 29 is the age now...99% when you sign a guy for a at the age of 27 he is not going to keep up with the change of culture change of league change of language etc...That is why most intelligent teams are buying in the range of 17 to 23 and keeps them for 4 to 6 yrs and makes a rich profit..The team who buys the player at the age of 27 just going for a quick fix for a year to 3 yrs nothing else...
sponnukumar
@KAKUfrank Do you fans just dont understand the TERM FINANCIAL STABILITY or MAKING A PROFIT AT ALL? I dont give a ***** about falcao or ronaldo or messi if it means paying more than 60 to 100M for them and getting 3 yrs service and not able to sell them if they flops...DD won us CL but how many matches he played well last season or how much goals he scored? Just dont sugarcoat the obvious mate..WE won the CL bcz of miracle..Each and every CFC fan know deep down that our CL victory is nothing sort of miracle..Miracles wont happen again and again..When i say unknown i meant FALCAO when he was playing before his porto days...lewandowski(23) Even if we sign him for 25M he can easily give atleast 5 to 7 yrs for us if he is a hit..If he flops still we can recoup atleast 50% money by selling him in germany...Nobody will buy a falcao if he comes to CFC and flops..WE could not offload him in the age of 28 to 30 even for 10 to 20M with his mammoth salary in the range of 175K to 200K...Like i said i dont give a ***** about falcao if it means we need to commit atleast 100M on a guy who is 27...WE spend 25M on oscar 32M on hazard but they will give us atleast 6 to 10 years even if they decides to leave in another 3 year we can still sell them for double the money we signed them...Also stop asking about names about striker who can score 20 goals a season or 30 goals a season..I am not a scout..That is why CFC has a big big scouting dept...Their job is to find the next ronaldo next messi like your dream striker falcao..Not signing every guy who scores a hat rick against us..
sponnukumar
@KAKUfrank By the way dont mistake with my posts i dont rate falcao...I rate him highly..Dedliest finisher currently..great striker...But yet i dont want us to sign him bcz of the financial outlay we need to make...Our fans are asking to spend 60M on him just bcz its not the money made by CFC...The money our fans want to spend on falcao is RA money...Eventhough i am eternally greatful for RA and his contribution and pumping up cash still i want CFC to run properly like a business...Just tell me a single proper run club who sign players for more than 35M? RM and barca doing it bcz they hav revenue to back it up..Even UTD is not going more than 35M...PSG is spending but its not their money city is spending bcz its not their money CFC is spending bcz its not their money..But i dont want cfc to spend like this now..With the CL success of last season we hav the real chance to break even and move to making profit and getting a name for ourselves as a good run club in another 2 yrs...Oh by the way mate WE didnt signed Aguero just bcz he asked for 200k+ salary..The guy is younger better still could make profit when we sell him but we didnt signed him bcz of wages...What makes you think CFC will sign falcao for 60M and still pay him 200K a week? He is already the highest earner at AM..
sponnukumar
@sponnukumar, to understand financial stability, you first need to understand the finances of the football club which I don't think you grasp entirely. Firstly, Chelsea just ranked 4th in global t-shirt sales behind Manchester United, Barcelona and Real Madrid. With the signing of Hazard and Oscar, we could see our shirt sales spike more in places like Latin America and Belgium where Chelsea fans are going by the day by virtue of the players we are signing. Secondly, do you know the PL has signed a new deal with SKY? From that deal, we'll see our revenues from BPL increase by at least 20-30mm pounds a year from TV rights. Falcao won't get a mammoth salary from Atletico because they can't afford and neither will he be on 150k a week if he comes here. For him to get there, his current wages have to be close to 100k a week which Atletico Madrid is not currently paying. The fact that you can't point out a striker who will score 20-30 goals a season means there isn't any out there for cheap. Lewandoski has only done this for one season and even 30mm pounds to Borussia Dortmund won't get him. You are also very incorrect about Manchester United. The last time they won a trophy, they were lead by Dimitar Berbatov (27 going on 28). Alex Ferguson spent 30mm pounds on him and a salary of 100k a week. On amortization (30mm divided by his contract term) and his salary of 100k a week, the Berbatov signing was costing Manchester United 12mm pounds a year. The total cost of Van Persie (on his trophy hunt) to Manchester United over the next four years is £70 million and Van Persie is 29 going on 30. Even at 33, Van Persie will be costing Manchester United £17 million. Thirdly, it is pretty clear in Europe and Brazil that once the buyout clause of a player is met, there is nothing the club can do about it. Mention any club that has refused to sell a player once a buyout clause is met. That is exactly the point of having a clause in there so your statement is absolutely wrong. Lastly, even if Chelsea pay Falcao 150k a week and met the buyout clause of 48mm pounds, the total cost of Falcao to Chelsea football club over the next 5 years is 87mm pounds which is about 17.4mm pounds in amortization and salary a year. That is exactly the same cost of Manchester United to Robin Van Persie. You are yet to show me a club in the last 5 years that has won a trophy in the premier league with an unknown striker who scores 20 - 30 goals a season. Regardless of the salary paid and the fees paid for a player. If the player flops at CFC, we won't be able to offload them anywhere regardless because they have flopped. Case in point Yossi Benayoun and the likes of Bosingwa.
KAKUfrank
Possible Strikers available in market...not sure of their quality though 1. Adrian Lopez (Atl. Madrid) 2. Falcao (Atl. Madrid) 3. R Lewandowski (B Dortmund) 4. N Oliveria () 5. F Llorente (Atl. Bilbao) 6. S Jovetic (Fiorentina) 7. Oscar Cardazo (Benfica) 8. Daniel Sturridge (Chelsea..offer him 80k per wk and tie him up).. if someone can compare these players and write a article, it will be interesting...(not just the stat, but along with their current form, their position with the current team, that teams formation and style)
Blu_run
@KAKUfrank You are just simply twisting and putting words in my mouth...My simple argument is I dont want CFC to sign anybody for more than 35M..End of the story
sponnukumar
@KAKUfrank You are trying to put a positive spin on things...Like you i can also put negative spin on things so easily and give you examples..I know fully well about players purchase and amortization ...The pblm is like you said its just 17M for a year..CFC fans are thinking 17 amortization for a player is cool...This goes to show how much CFC is living above our means just bcz of RA..Yes CFC is 5th in revenue in the world but unlike other teams CFC cant make much more leaf in this revenue generation are...Only realistic thing CFC could do is commercial front and naming rights..Nobody is going to buy the rights of SB..Just bcz eveybody will call it SB even after 10 yrs..You are talking about T shirt sales..So you are telling me with falcao signing we wil overtake RM barca utd in the t shirt sales?..NO..We are long long way off to over take any of the above 3 in the commercial front..I know fully well about the Sky deal and UEFA CL new deal..So lets say we will make another 30M etc from these deals..So what? You cant just forcast the future revenue and spend the money with the sole guarante is you will reveive money from somebody....RVP is just a single big injury away from going in decline...You are saying about Berbatov..Everybody know that SAF overpayed for him..As you said how many trophys berbatov helped utd win? 1 or 2?How much money they got for selling berbatov to fulham? 2M or 3M or is it 5?..So SAF spend almost 70M on berbatov and won a trophy with the help of him and sold him for 4M 2 yrs later.. HAZARD MATA OSCAR going to help us win atleast 10 to 20 trophies in the next decade..That is what i will call as shreawd business purchase..About naming 30 goal strikers..Yes i cant name too many strikers who can score 30 goals..But that doesnt mean there is no striker out there who cant score goals for fun still cost you only for 15M and 50k in salary..By the way finally how much PROFIT CFC made last season mate? 5M or 10M or 20M? NO...67M loss...Also most of the time the players who are near 27 to 29 move to new clubs and new country language and culture they cant keep up their form or play in the new team....Like i said dont take my dislike of spending more than 100M on falcao has anything to do with his ability as a top striker or great finisher..
sponnukumar
@sponnukumar, you need to differentiate between profits and cash flow. 67mm loss wasn't a result of signing players. Beef up on the accounting knowledge please. 67mm loss was a result of compensation Chelsea paid to sacking Ancelotti and signing AVB from Porto. These are one time charges which were booked last year and not likely to repeat itself this year. You are also not seeing the point about shirt sales clearly. Thinking we'll overtake Real Madrid or Barcelona is myopic thinking. Think further. Shirt sales behind Man U, Real and Barca indicates the popularity of the club on a global level. It is also an indication Chelsea has reached on the global sale. Ron Gourlay can use such statistics in negotiating better deals from commercial sponsors. If you understand accounting properly, you will realize Chelsea is not living above it means at all. "revenue has grown by a healthy 8%, while operating expenses have been cut by 5% (including the wage bill by 3%). Not only that, but these accounts include £42 million of exceptional costs and if these were excluded the loss would have been “only” £26 million, which would have represented an impressive £45 million improvement on the previous year." I am sure we would also show an improvement this year as well. With the new PL deal and release of older players on high wages, Chelsea will surely be getting results in the future.
KAKUfrank
sponnukumar - why not ?...... KAKU explained it well... if Manure can afford a 29yrs old and give him 17m pounds a year, knowing that they also had big money signings, like us, before (Kagawa, Young, P.Jones, De Gea) , I don't see a reason why shouldn't we get Falcao for 17m pounds a year, knowing that we also won the CL and released some of our players who earned some big wages like Drogba, Bosingwa,Anelka, Alex, Essien, Kalou, Meireles and hopefully, by January, Malouda and Sturridge or Torres.............
The Persian
£26 million is probably a result of amortization and depreciation which are not real cash. We are cash flow positive last year in spite of the expenses made.
KAKUfrank
@KAKUfrank now you are saying our 67M loss is not a loss made by cfc it was made by some other alien club..A loss is a loss..Simple..CFC is not a profit making entiry..Simple..We will go under with in seconds if RA announces he is ceasing all his backing for CFC..That is the point i am making..CFC made 67M loss not just bcz of the sacking of CA and AVB hiring..CFC made those loss bcz we are run like a charity not like a professional football club..That is the underlining point..With our reckless purchase of FT we blowed more than 100..Now we are going for another 100M on falcao..If we sign falcao i am not going to complain..But the way that our fans thinking towards blowing 100M on a 27 yr old is whatastonishing me..CFC cant make good leaf in the revenue are like you put mate...We hav almost reached our level..Arsenal will make go away from us around 300M range in 2014 when their deals are up for renewal..We can argue all we want but still i dont want cfc to sign falcao for 60M..I want us to find the next falcao or ronaldo or messi..Not going for guys who are finished product who will cost you 60M
sponnukumar
and ManUre DIDN'T WIN ANYTHING LAST SEASON !... and yet they are still spending BIG !.......... we need that man... we need that RVP/Messi/CR7 type of player !...... we need to be more lethal...... we most likely can't win anything with Torres or Danny......... Sell Torres, and buy Falcao......... we should keep Sturridge for another 2 seasons, OR sell him to Pool for MORE THAN 25m pounds and not a penny less
The Persian
@The Persian If SAF goes crazy that doesnt mean cfc must go crazy..Everybody know that RVP is away from a single injury..If that happens then SAF will look like a fool..What i am saying is why we need to go for the hottest guy always in the market...Like i said i want cfc to sign next messi ronaldo ronaldinho..Sign them a year before they come to the furore and let them give atleast 5 yrs for us and if they want to move sell them for 60M 70 and sign 2 or 3 very good players with it..This is the way to go for cfc in my opinion..
sponnukumar
If cfc sign falcao i will be happy still that we are signing the dedliest finisher and currently 3rd best player in the world in the sense of scoring goals...But not in the financial point of view..
sponnukumar
sponnukumar - We already have two "next big things" in Oscar and Hazard........ even if one of them flop in some matches, we can still rely on the other one and Mata, because we have three attacking midfield spots......... but we can't take the risk to let an unknown and unproven "next big thing" lead our line !...... because it's just one position..... if the player in this position don't do well, then we have a serious problem........ we can't wait for your "next big CF" to adapt his game etc, in that vital position....... we need immediate success......
The Persian
@sponnukumar, YOU DON'T GET IT AT ALL. Call an accountant and have him explain to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One time charges as a result of compensation to Ancelotti and Porto for hiring AVB constituted a signifcant chunk of our loss LAST SEASON. There are one time charges because we won't be sacking an Ancelotti every year and paying him what is left of his contract nor will we be paying Porto for AVB's services every year. If we exclude those "one-time" charges, Chelsea recorded a 49mm pounds improvement over last year. There are one time charges NOT alien club closes as your brain is interpreting it. My second point is depreciation and amortizations are not cash expenses, but accounting items. Regardless of the loss, we were cash flow positive. What is your back ground and do you understand accounting at all because if you don't, call a buddy of yours and he will confirm all I am saying to you. If you claim to know accounting, then gosh, you've wasted money on education.....
KAKUfrank
sponnukumar - mate I'm sure if Chelsea FC want to spend big, they already know the risk..... they know if their pocket is full or empty..... Chelsea FC is a hugely successful club financially... they've done well so far... lets just skip this financial part and trust the board to do it......... don't worry, If Chelsea FC spend big, they know what they are doing...
The Persian
I don't think there is anything wrong suggesting Neymar as a false 9. It is something I have been thinking of for a bit. He has the technical ability, pace, work rate and dribbling ability for such. No doubt he is hyped up by the Brazilian media, but he is an excellent player regardless. If a terrible finisher and decision maker like Gerbinho is averaging a goal every game, you can imagine how many goals and assists a talent like Neymar with the likes of Mata, Oscar and Hazard behind him. Anyways the cost of signing Neymar will be around the same costs of signing Falcao. However, the salary is the issue. He is already among the highest paid players in the world. We also need to get out of our high horses with this will he do well in the premier league. Such adjustment factor is vastly overrated. Most flops in the PL are PL to PL players not foreign players.
KAKUfrank
Kaku - He was leading the line with Davies at Bolton. It was by no fluke he scored so consistantly there (and not all goals poached mind you), and is was also by no fluke that he managed to be top scorer (jointly) last season. If Sturridge was being fed by our excellent attacking midfielders, I can see him having a field day. He is more pacy than Torres is, more tricks, better and longer range shot, and striker with both feet. Torres has the experaince and the better link up play, but Sturridge has showed in flashes when he has come on that he can be the link up man also, and has also looked like he has turned a corner this season (in the small bits where he has actually played) in picking a pass too. He is much younger than Torres who wont grow any more as a players, where Sturridge can and should if hes actually given the oppurtunity. Again, he has not been given the chance to do so as a Striker for Chelsea. How you can assume he wont be any good as a lone striker is beyond me, given he has is untested? Dont get me wrong, Im using Torres as a comparison here seeing hes the only other striker at CFC at the moment, Im not saying one is better than the other, only that Sturridge has the potential to be better than Torres is now, should be be actually given a chance to show his stuff. You class Sturridge as a poacher. He is much more than that. I see a poacher as someone like a Van Nistelroy, Hunetlaar, Gomez type whom arent express in there pace or have many tricks but seem to be in right place in the right time always. You suggest by calling Sturridge a poacher that he has this nack also, yet he is also fast, and is very technical also, and can shoot from outside the box. He is much more than a poacher in my eyes. In fact, as Torres slows down in his pace, he is I guess becoming something of a poacher himself, yet he fluffs 3/4 chances he gets on goal. Sturridge is very good in 1v1 situations as a comparison. I dont think you give Daniel enough credit mate. Obviously difference of opinion which is ok, but I dont think you really give the kid enough credit.
BlueKiwi
@KAKUfrank well sadly i am not interested in accounting degree mate..So you can take your accounting lessons somewhere..Like i said just our owner is RA so you are trying to put a positive spin on lot of negative things..You tell me cfc dont need to sack CA and hire AVB every year..Oh we are the only club who paid more than 100M in compensation alone in the last 10 years..So dont let your love for falcao cloud your judgment..You can all say how much about positive spin..cash flow positive..player values divided over the contract period..Blah blah but the simple point is CFC is a LOSS making club..Like i said if RA announces he is ceasing his backing then we will go under with in a day...With out RA will you ask for falcao when your club made a staggering 67M loss last year..I dont think so..
sponnukumar
Falcao > Torr-Mentor anyday now....Torr-Mentor's my fav player but he's clearlyu 'past it' or isn't a perfect fit for a club with ambitions like ours, we won't win anything 'major' with a Torr-Mentor leading the team, sorry but true :(
@Mq
It is great to learn and we must face the reality. Chelsea paid much for 2 strikers and history has it that they have never lived to the expectations. We are not to come and pay the debt Atletico put themselves in when buying Falcao from Porto.
Kendemsblue
 

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