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Torres Revelation!

Torres Revelation!

All those die-hard Chelsea supporters who willingly trudged around some desolate grounds in our darkest hours, have long since remarked that things are not the same.

Back in those dark-days, the team were cheered vociferously, at all four corners of our fine country, with the team responding as you`d expect.

Sometimes we accepted that our side was no match for the opposition but as they trudged off, after yet another defeat, you could see the hurt in their eyes, you could see that they had given their all and that they were bitterly disappointed at the outcome.

Well how times have changed!

Flicking through my somewhat sodden tabloid papers this morning (yes I got drenched walking into work), I stumbled across the following quotes from Fernando Torres, in the Daily Mirror, that supposedly come from a Spanish media vehicle - El Pais.

Have a read and see what you think,

"I have done lots of things wrong. Last season there was a moment when I lost the values I learned as a child."

"I had many team-mates who didn`t care about winning or losing if they didn`t play. I didn`t want to be like them but there was a moment I realized I didn`t care either."

"I also realized I was not happy, as I was not the person I wanted to be. I sacrificed myself for the team, as it was the only way to play."

Those who adopted that attitude should be ashamed of themselves, even more so considering those that follow Chelsea work damn long hours to afford the extortionate ticket prices!

All we can hope for is an attitude change or is that too much to ask for?

Click here to join in the debate on the club forum.

Date:Wednesday October 17 2012
Time: 12:58PM


The daily mirror - come one merlin. Here is the translation of the whole interview. Torres was asked to be interviewed as it was his return to the Calderon and the question he was asked was, " what have you done wrong? I pretty sure FrLamp will be on here demanding that we sell him etc and gabeu will request that we should defo get Falcao. Here is the translation of the whole interview translated by Luis Martin. worth a read What is left of that boy who won the Burnete Tournament with Atlético? Values. I’ll never forget what I learned there. I was lucky to start off when I was very young, because now that I’m older certain things can’t and won’t surprise me anymore. I wouldn’t change a thing of how everything’s panned out. You think you’ve lived through everything, but you haven’t. And in the end, you learn from everything. Do the scars hurt? At first they do. But then life teaches you new things, and you learn to change the order of your priorities and your values. Your learn to fit into life in a new way, maybe not as intensely as before. For every scar, and for every bad moment, there are thousands of people who stay by your side. Social networks allowed me to be conscious of this, of people following my every step along the way. It’s when you know you’re not alone… but there are times when you just think about protecting yourself. How have you dealt with the critics? I won’t let them affect me. I’ve learned how to do that, but I’ve also learned to not disassociate and isolate myself and not listen, but to listen and learn. I learned to look at myself and know that the only one who can actually change things for the better is me, that the only one who can say and mean “you’re making a mistake, and you should do something about it”, is me. What have you done wrong? A lot of things. Last season, specially during the first half, I grew apart from the values I had grown up with. I’ve had some teammates that don’t really care about winning or losing because they’re not the ones playing. I never wanted to be like that. But one day I found out that I was, that I was indifferent about winning or losing because I was not playing, because I was not really part of the team. And I discovered that I wasn’t happy because I distanced myself from who I was and who I wanted to become. In a dressing room, the group mentality, not necessarily of friends but of a group of teammates, can and should never be lost. You seemed to have lost your identity, while playing for Chelsea. That’s what the team required of me. It was said that I was a different player because I intented to serve the team first and foremost. That was the way I played and it might not have been the best for me but that was the only way there was to play. I sometimes thought “I’ll run behind the defenders’ backs, I’ll create spaces”, and during 70 minutes I couldn’t touch the ball once. If I stayed in my position I wouldn’t get involved in the game at all. What was I supposed to do? I was so different from what I was used to, from what Benítez had taught me, and it showed! Then a new manager came in and things changed a bit. But of course that whole sorry episode had a big positive: I became a better player. Now I dominate aspects of the game that I wasn’t even aware of before. And you can be the player that your manager wants you to be but not the one you’re expected to be, by everyone else. I talked a lot with Steve Holladn, the assistant manager, and he taught me how to deal with it all. In the end, it’s the players who provide style to the team. What did you learn? I matured, I learned to trust and know myself a lot, I grew conscious that in the end everything was up to me. I learned to be very self-critic, to understand everyone around me in a better way, to accept situations as they come.
17/10/2012 13:12:00
You left when you were very young. Would you do it again? Of course! It’s the best thing I’ve ever done. Not only in a professional way, but in a personal too. You start to see things in a different way, you get a broader perspective of life. Seeing the situation the country’s in right now, people will have to start leaving sooner or later. But in the end that can be an advantage too, it can be positive. We grow as people and we become better human beings. It happened to our parents and our grandparents. My father is Galician and somehow now we have family in Argentina! That’s the solution. If you don’t have what you need right in front of you, you have to go get it, anywhere. But until enough people realize that many years will pass, and that means lost time. We have to be brave. If you must leave, you leave, you learn and you come back. Do we have to be brave when it comes to everything? Yes, when it comes to everything. Time teaches you not to hide your feelings, even though in my case it’s a bit different. To open myself up and show my feelings freely during an interview can turn out to be a great mistake. I tend to hide my feelings to protect myself and those around me. I have to be cautious about everything I say. In the end people always remember the headlines they read, and nothing more. The media gains its readers by putting out dramatic or exciting headlines. Me for example, I admit I sometimes only read the headlines. I’m very scared of headlines to be honest, because after all is said and done, they’re all that’s left. Very few people read the complete article o interview, they only do it if they’re big fans of someone or something. It’s really easy to judge based on a headline, without learning about the context or the circumstances. You’ll be back at the Calderón. Home at last? I belong to Atlético. I think that in the end, you belong to one club, and to one club only. You can love a few ones, you can be grateful to some, but the one you choose to be yours it’s only one. I think Atlético represents very useful values in life, they’ve certainly been useful for me, even though I play for Chelsea now, a much more settled team, a team from a higher social class. But I still stand by the values I learned at Atlético when I was a child, which contrary to popular opinion, are not about victimizing yourself or about deeming yourself inferior from everybody else, but about fighting and getting through things relying only in what you are and what you have. A lot of times a failure can turn into a victory. And what is more beautiful than defending and standing by you values until the very end, and not only to succeed, but to do it in the way you wanted to?
17/10/2012 13:14:00
Did Luis (Aragonés) taught you some of that? I think Luis put a lot of effort into teaching me things I already knew, and we’ve discussed that. That was during the Atlético times though. Later on, when he became the national team’s coach, I really took advantage of his teachings. I noticed that he used to tell me to keep practicing things I already knew how to do well. Then he bugged me a lot about personality traits, character, values, that I was already very aware of at that age, because I’d learned them in the Atleti cantera. As time passes by and you keep growing as a player and become important in a larger scale, there’s a lot of things you might forget, you leave them behind. But Luis reminded you of them every day. That’s the kind of dressing room I like, the one where respect towards one another exists above everything. Do you know who Paulo Ferreira is? Your Chelsea teammate? Yes. He’s won the Champions League, the league in Portugal, England, and he’s basically won every title out there, yet he’s barely gotten any playing time in the last two years. He’s a ten as a person. He taught me to play the role I’m given accordingly, to adapt to any circumstance, to say “this is what I have to do now”. He trains the hardest, he always shows up to match days with a smile on his face, he always watches after the younger ones. I’ve learned so much from him. What would you like to do, after all this is done? The only thing I’ll be worried about when I retire will be someone saying I’ve been a bad teammate, disrespectful, arrogant. I’m sure that in twenty years from now, the first thing I’ll do when I visit Asturias will be to look for Juan, or Santi. And if for some reason I find myself in Andalucía I’ll do my best to meet with Sergio, Pepe. That’s the most beautiful thing of it all. Sadly, when football is done, some friends are lost forever. Is that the secret of this national team? Without a doubt. We went through some very bad experiences before the good ones came. Before Viena happened, we were booed by our own people in Spain. Even though it hurt, we took strength from it and it became a motivator. Then we realized of how better we were from all those players who came from abroad to play in the Spanish league, we realized just how incredibly good Xavi was… We discovered that we were capable of doing it, everything we set out minds to, that we were as good as the rest of them. I never understood how the Spanish league got so many players who were vastly inferior to the ones playing in the Spanish clubs’ very own canteras (youth systems). Then, of course, we sent those players to England and they went crazy over them there. It makes you think “and how come neither Barça or Madrid signed him?”. Nowadays Spanish players feel more free and less scared to go to work abroad.
17/10/2012 13:14:00
You played with Simeone… Are you surprised by what the team he’s done so far at Atlético? Yes, even when he was still a player, he already was a coach. I remember he once told me, “the day I become a coach, it’ll be pretty simple. I’ll want to do certain things and I want to have players who do them accordingly. If they don’t, I’ll play someone else, no matter if they’re 15, 20 or 40 years old.” He had very clear ideas of what he wanted, even back then. He used to put a lot of pressure on the younger players but you could tell just how much he loved us. I’ve been surprised by just how well he’s handled a team that wasn’t his. He was given that team and he still made it his. How long will Falcao last at the Manzanares? You never know, depending on the team’s aspirations and success, and on their weekly performances. When a player outgrows a club, it’s not the right thing to do to try to stop him from leaving because it won’t be good in the long run for any of the parties involved. What is your relationship with Del Bosque? Vicente is exactly what he appears to be, he is not a hypocrite at all. He’s always dealt with us in the same way, since it all began. He doesn’t tend to engage in individual dialogue with players, but every time he’s had something to tell me, he’s told me. You’re a number nine in a team that is now playing without one. How are you handling it? We are a team full of alternatives. When everybody is so aware of your existence, you have to look for alternatives. Who knows, maybe in a few months we’ll be playing without wingers! Football is an evolving sport, and Barcelona has dictated a style that right now is trying to be emulated from clubs and national teams from all over the world. They’ve broken every barrier there is. There are teams everywhere wanting, wishing to play like Barça, from England to Italy. It’s not scary anymore the thought of playing a game without a number nine, when before it would’ve been considered insane. Spain has proved itself that it can win with or without a numer nine, against any rival, anywhere, without fear. We know how to play against France, Belarus and Brazil. There is no other way. And that is something that Guardiola’s Barcelona defined, he set a pattern. He taught us that you can play well and win. Well, it’s the same thing in the National team. We know we’ll be given the ball, we know we’ll be the ones in control. But in that context, what is the job of the classic number nine nowadays? To be patient. It’s complicated to play and to get minutes. You have to keep the center backs in their places, it’s a secondary job, but it’s what it’s best for the team. It’s a complete luxury to be able to play in this national team. Here, it’s really common for me to finish a match in a good mood, even if I didn’t score, because I did what was best for the team, what the team needed. There are days when I think, “What a good match I had, I hope to play like that all the time”… and then you realize there are people criticizing you from left to right. But then the match you know hasn’t been your best, when you’ve been slow, clumsy, awkward and overall bad, but you’ve scored twice, you have everyone praising you. I’ve learned to live with that.
17/10/2012 13:15:00
Tito Vilanova says that in the end, nothing ever really happens in football. I agree. You’re left with the good experiences and the personal acknowledge of what you’ve done and accomplished. Managers like Benítez or César Fernando taught me to think like a manager. That’s had its pros and cons, of course, and I’ve realized that on the pitch, a player mustn’t really think, he must act. When you look at a team, at any team, as a system instead of a team, you think about what must be done instead of what you’re “supposed” to do. You didn’t leave Liverpool in good terms, but you always talk about that stage of your life as something wonderful. Why? I owe so much to Liverpool, so so much. To the people, to the team, to Benítez, to his staff, to the city. Liverpool is a fundamental part of my life. Even though they don’t remember me like that, I’m confident that time will heal some wounds. When I left Atleti, I really couldn’t have chosen a better place to go than Liverpool. The other day, when the news about Hillsborough came out, I got really emotional. I lived through it, I know what people have gone through, I saw them cry… I felt it, I made it mine. The news came a bit too late, of course, but it’s definitely a step forward. These are the kind of valuable things you’re left with from having played at a club like Liverpool. A feeling, above everything else. I decided to leave because I felt like I needed to go in a different direction than the club, like I needed to take a step forward. It wasn’t the best way to leave, it really wasn’t, but it wasn’t also the way the press tried to portray it. Someday, people will know the whole truth. It was mainly about needing something new to keep growing. We talked about it earlier, about the whole growing thing and how important it is. My son is from Liverpool, he was born there, and he kicked his first ball before he turned one year old. He was born in the city of football, he is doomed. And what about London? In London I go to Rock & Roll clubs and no one knows who I am. It’s fantastic.
17/10/2012 13:15:00
btw Merlin, im not sure if im allowed to post this translation up here, if not i apologise and was not aware that this is not allowed
17/10/2012 13:18:00
Thanks and thanks @ahmedw1 for the full interview, it clarify things before some people start to call for Torres head.
17/10/2012 13:29:00
@ahmedw1, post the link of the full article......
17/10/2012 13:32:00
17/10/2012 13:34:00
Wow what a quality interview. Thank you !
17/10/2012 13:39:00
thanks KAKU frank. Not sure what is allowed or not on the site. also wanted people to read the answers and the questions asked in full.
17/10/2012 13:43:00
After reading that interview, it is embarrassing football journalist won't take a lot of things in there that makes sense and publish. You can give Torres stick for fluffing chances like arsenal and norwich, but for this interview.......come on mate.....That is the worst type of journalism because not only are lies depicted, but the obvious omission of so many interesting things about footy e.g. Paulo Ferraira's incredible attitude, Diego Simeone, times for players to leave clubs, innovations in footy......It is embarrassing.
17/10/2012 13:51:00
english press...hmmm....thanx man for the translation
17/10/2012 14:01:00
thanks fella.good job's interesting to know what happen in the dressing room and to tell us as a fan how valuable someone like paolo ferreira is...
Chelsea n Torres Fan
17/10/2012 14:08:00
Thanks so much for this article...this quote from Torres says it all...and I must say shame to a lot of fans as well who were giving the lads some stick already without reading the full article. "To open myself up and show my feelings freely during an interview can turn out to be a great mistake. I tend to hide my feelings to protect myself and those around me. I have to be cautious about everything I say. In the end people always remember the headlines they read, and nothing more. The media gains its readers by putting out dramatic or exciting headlines. Me for example, I admit I sometimes only read the headlines. I’m very scared of headlines to be honest, because after all is said and done, they’re all that’s left. Very few people read the complete article or interview, they only do it if they’re big fans of someone or something. It’s really easy to judge based on a headline, without learning about the context or the circumstances."
17/10/2012 14:16:00
Thanks for the translation. I am not Fernandos biggest fan if im honest but have no problems with what was said in the interview. Would love him to come good but I think he is wastefull with chances and his runs often end up hiding him from the play.
17/10/2012 14:18:00
A lot are mercenaries now to be fair. At least he has questionned himself over his attitude, hopefully that will lead to a re-adjustment and an improvement for you. The problem is us fans - I think - want our players to care as much as we do. They never will, they are mostly staff (some become fans to be fair) whilst we are the die hards, the fans, we love no matter what and no matter how trying our fecking clubs can be at times!
The Fear
17/10/2012 14:32:00
thank you @ahmed. Didn't know that Torres is a well articulated speaker. That's rare among athletes.
17/10/2012 14:37:00
The article transcript is an excellent read. @ahmedw1 you mentioned me early in your post and you are correct i have been an advocate for us trying to get Falcao..if you have followed my views on this issue though you would know i have never advocated getting Falcao as a replacement for El Nino but as a compliment for him. I have never subscribed to this widely held view that it has to be one or the other and quite frankly with the way it is looking that Danny may be the one hitting the exit in January if we do get Falcao it will not be to replace El Nino but to partner him. As regards the interview it is essentially El Nino pouring his heart out which is very interesting...whatever anyone may say about the lad it cannot be denied that he is a hard worker and is selfless..probably even too selfless to be a top level striker as that breed typically have a bit of a selfish streak to them. I am glad to learn that he acknowledges he has grown as a player since joining Chelsea. Having read through his comments i am even more convinced that the lad has outgrown many of the insecurities he had when he joined us and when the Drogs was with us..his style of play and skill set passing, crossing and drifting outside the box actually in my mind make him an ideal partner for a more typical no 9 and i am salivating at the prospect of him and Falcao maybe playing for us in the near future, could be dynamite that will boost both players tremendously the way Rooney and RVP are hitting it of and the way Arguero and Tevez play of each other at City. If in fact Lamps and Cole are going to be exiting the Chelsea scene in the near future there will be plenty of salary space freed to enable us afford two high profile relatively highly paid strikers who are very different in mentality and skill set..I dont see any incompatibilty here but rather the potential for a devastating partnership with Chelsea FC being the major beneficiary.
17/10/2012 15:13:00
Thanks for the translation@ahmed...the media are at it again,tryin to unsettle our dressin room and management with fictitious headlines but am glad not even them can disrupt our new found rhythm and fantastic season so far
17/10/2012 15:41:00
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