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It`s Back to Basics?

Or, in other words, what we know gets results.

After a failure, for the fourth Premier League game in succession, to get a much-needed win, Roberto Di Matteo`s after match thoughts, from the Hawthorns, seemed to indicate that he may be contemplating abandoning the attacking philosophy that has proven to be so entertaining this season with the boss remarking,

"We might have to go back to how we used to win games, and make sure first and foremost that we don`t concede."

"Maybe it is a time when I have to change things in terms of selection and the way we play. Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive."

"These are massive games now but we have players who have been through this before."


Here, in the editorial chair, all I`ll say is that if that defence isn`t tightened up then Juventus (a) and Manchester City (h) are going to be, to put it mildly, uncomfortable.




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The Journalist

Writer: Merlin Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday November 18 2012

Time: 11:38AM

Your Comments

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The Persian
Time for some tactical change i'm afraid, Mata and Luiz doesnt press enough nor track back, and Mikel and Rami have been impressive (somethinh RdM can't overemphasize) but cant do all the defensive duties. I dont think going all defensive is the way forward either it all depends on finding the right balance. I think we should go 4-3-2-1. Mikel,Oscar,Rami; mata, hazard. Torres and sturridge are focking waste of space.
Dannism
This doesn't sound good really. Is not as if we are that clueless. Our defensive mistakes are mostly down to one mistake and lately, the nmajority have been from DAVID LUIZ. He doesn't need to change anything. If we make CAHILL,JT and IVA our main CBs we will stop shipping in these stupid goals. Again, if we had strikers that converts chances, we would definitely have at least 6more points. If he reverts back to dropping Oscar and Hazard on the bench for Rami and Bertrand on the wings then he will be gone before Christmas. Drop David Luiz, Buy a striker..Problem solved! Also, they better sort out Cole's contract or look for a new LB. Bertrand is crap. And before anyone tells me about giving him time, he is already 23!!
zilosxp
If he does that,it will be a sign that his days are numbered at chelsea....Our defence was poor,I agree but our centre forwards were worst...we never took the lead at any point in time at west brom,then why should he blame the defence when the strikers couldn't deliver...let him ask himself when was the last time his centre forwards scored an epl goal?don't forget that if we are defensive the likes of hazard and mata might struggle with such tactics....the solution is in january,sign falcao and either of el shaarawy or jovetic(instead of suarez,with reports linking us with the uruguayan dis morning)....include torres in any swap deal to bring two strikers to stamford bridge because as it stands we play with 10 players,we don't have a centre forward and that's why we are loosing games or better still sign falcao and recall lukaku
Hazard11
If he does that,it will be a sign that his days are numbered at chelsea....Our defence was poor,I agree but our centre forwards were worst...we never took the lead at any point in time at west brom,then why should he blame the defence when the strikers couldn't deliver...let him ask himself when was the last time his centre forwards scored an epl goal?don't forget that if we are defensive the likes of hazard and mata might struggle with such tactics....the solution is in january,sign falcao and either of el shaarawy or jovetic(instead of suarez,with reports linking us with the uruguayan dis morning)....include torres in any swap deal to bring two strikers to stamford bridge because as it stands we play with 10 players,we don't have a centre forward and that's why we are loosing games or better still sign falcao and recall lukaku
Hazard11
Glad to see that he's realised that we are woeful without the ball. AVB sticked with his high line tactic even though we were conceding a *****load and we know where it led him. RDM is a top bloke and the fact that he is willing to change things 11 games into the season shows that he is well aware that we aren't good enough. But as Dannism said, a change of formation should be enough I think. If going back to make sure we don't concede means playing Rambo and Bertrand on the wings again... That's not the solution.
FrLamp
For me there is a huge importance of Lampard returning, we are missing his ability to pop up with a goal every now and then.
CalculatedKalou
@FrLamp, I'm not afraid RdM will play Ramires on the wing, because than he won't have any players left to put a decent job in midfield. As for Bertrand on the wings, I doubt one of the mazacar players will be left on the bench. I would prefer, we would start playing in a 4-3-3 formation with Oscar and Rambo in midfield, Hazard and Mata on the wings and Studge in cf. Defense: Cole, Iva, Cahill, Azpi.
icebluelg
Kakuta 2 assists and Bony is on fire 13 games 14 Goals. and TOMAS KALAS is the direct replacement for Iva. he is having very good season and now playing as a right back.
Drogged-Mo
Does anyone know how is Bruma doing at HSV?
icebluelg
Thank god...forget trying to play pretty and doing too much with the ball, we need to go back to becoming efficient in all departments, defensively and in front of goal. Mikel and Ramieres need to be restricted because they are exposing the back four way to often. Also hazard must improve, he certainly has the ability to be a lot better player then what he is at the moment. He cannot give up after the first challenge. also Luiz out and Ivanovic in
Ess...DaBison
if he goes back to the same tactics which we played last season with the players we have now....then he wil be digging his own grave...how can you play defending football with mata oscar hazard.....if he trys to play ryan and ramires on wing then who will create opputunity and score goal for us...he should just play sturridge in place of torres and drop luiz for iva...
shlok27
RDM has my support for trying to revert back to what used to work. We cant afford to be too far behind from the top two, as our opponent now see us as predictable. Lets bin the possession footie for now, and become more efficient, till we're able to get a clinical striker.
objectivekritic
We all know that Hazard was brilliant from the middle and oscar was amazing for brazil on the left so put hazard back where he created a lot for Torres and Mata on the right cuttin in and switching play with harzard. Terry is a lot slower than he used to be so dont have high hopes. My suggestion is RB at left back needs to stay there not to run fwd like AC. WBA 2nd goal was as a result of a LB not on his normal position. Marin has to start playing and before then reserved judgement, Our problems are global
shaka09
Lunacy is doing the same things repeatedly and expecting different results. RDM has shown courage by admitting that what we are doing is not working and needs to be changed. Many here are so deeply in love with the MAZACAR trio that they fail to acknowledge that that excess of creative talent brings significant defensive deficits with it..we need to play 3 of that combo not all three and the odd one out for some time has to be hazard..mata's creative and scoring ability is the best of the three and Oscar has the most complete game as a defender, tackler, passer and scorer. I agree that much as i love him David Luiz is a liability at CB and we need to get him out of the center of our defense and discover where we can play him to maximize his ability while minimizing his damage potential. I would want to see him join Ramires and Mikel as our mid three in a 4-3-3 and make our final three; Mata, Oscar and Danny with sub options including hazard and Moses. One other issue not being mentioned which i have said several times..Cech needs an serious back up that can offer him both competition and the chance for a few games to rest..go back and look at the goals he has been conceding recently..compare his performance in the game yesterday to that of Boaz Mayhill for West Brom (who BTW is their no 2 goal keeper)..a goal keeper at the top of his game should have stopped one or even both those goals while he was not at fault for the openings that created them. Finally i agree Lamps the forgotten one cannot come back early enough ..he may actually the best instinctual goal scorer we have left in the squad.
GabeU
just ply iva as a cb hes our best cb. nd FFS just move luiz 2 midfield he cd b an alternative 2 fellaini. hes also gt better vision/dribbling/finishing thn mikel nd romeu. 2 sum up luiz in 1 word : liability
Humza_96
GabeU, you say ‘David Luiz is a liability at CB and we need to get him out of the centre of our defence and discover where we can play him to maximize his ability while minimizing his damage potential.’ And go on to say ‘I would want to see him join Ramires and Mikel…’ Personally, I would want to see him to join Man City: to my mind that would be the biggest boost our title hopes could receive! If he really wants to help Chelsea achieve success, then he should do so by joining City (or United)…
BlueGenes
shaka09...I dont know where you are getting your well off views from. Did you actually watch the game yesterday? Everyone saw how we were awful the first half hour when Hazard was playing through the middle and not only until he switched to the left and Sturridge played through the middle did we start making chances. As for Oscar playing on the left for brazil, please enlighten me on where you got that from because Oscar plays in the hole for brazil with Neymar on the left and Hulk on the right and Damiao through the middle...your comment is laughable and amature. Also what does Terry being slow have to do with anything? A lot of the worlds great defenders in the past didn't have particularly good pace, Maldini, Nesta, Baresi to name a few examples. Even some current day defenders such as Pique and Chiellini don't have massive amounts of pace. Its about being clever and utilising what you do have. At least terry has more pace than the 3 legends mentioned. He still is and will always be a better CB than Luiz and is currently our best CB by far.
Ess...DaBison
I hate all the talk when people start calling for luiz to play in midfield. The fool looses the ball enough times as a defender, how can you trust him in midfield. In his bio it says that the only reason he made it as a pro was because he switched from midfield to defence, he was an awful midfielder. If it were me i'd try to sell him soon. in the mean time maybe we can get away wth playing him at full back!
Ess...DaBison
@Ess dabisson You re entitled to you opinion and im not sure if you re wise to call peoples comments laughable and amature. There is evidence for what i said but you are not worthy for insulting my opinion.
shaka09
Evidence please
Ess...DaBison
Not entirely sure I agree with RDM in terms of going back to the basics for the simple reason that he doesn't have players to go back to the basics. He doesn't have an efficient striker. His players who are defensive on the wings are woeful in attack (Ramires and Bertrand). He doesn't have an efficient striker. Torres is a scam. Sturridge is not good finisher. He is overreacting like the fans and simple changes to the squad should improve our performance. Going back to the basics doesn't cure our inefficiency upfront nor does it cure Luiz's moment of madness; Bertrand's poor performance; and the fact that Romeu and Mikel do not work because RDM has been forced to play two of them together because we sold Merieles. Reverting to a 4-3-3 to play Lampard, Ramires and Mikel will even be more of disaster. Do you guys remember how terrible in terms of creating chances that midfield was? We used to call that midfield a BLACK HOLE. Drogba had to single handedly come back and create chances and score goals for that squad along with Kalou and Malouda who chipped in a few. We don't have Drogba nor do we have forwards who can finish like Malouda in the squad any more. If back to basics is reverting to what won the UCL last season, then that's not gonna work either until he has an efficient striker and hope the luck that took us through takes us through again. He needs to make changes to the starting XI though and that means playing Sturridge upfront from now on until January; and if Cole isn't available, may be play Iva at RB and Azpilicueta at LB. When Cole returns, sit Luiz for a bit. We need more and better defensive coaching that anything else and appropriate strikers. Has anyone ever wondered why we concede so much from the left (even with Ashley Cole), but not the right even though both Hazard and Mata offer no defensive work whatsoever?
KAKUfrank
Kaku why do you say sturridge is not a good finisher....because of yesterday? mate the guy isnt match sharp and I blame RDM for that. a few 5 min cameo appearances aren't enough for that. Last season he scored 16 goals from being played out of position and hardly featuring in the second half of the season. Prior to that he scored 12 in 12 for Bolton. He has shown time and time again when you give him a string of games he will score goals for you so to say he is not a good finisher based on yesterday's performance and his small 5mins cameos is poor, even for you mate.
Ess...DaBison
And yh i know we concede more from the left, thats because luiz is a poor defender (normally plays LCB) and Ivanovic is a better defender than Cole and doesnt get as forward!
Ess...DaBison
We should be more concerned about our defending. All the teams that win league have very good defensive records. Luiz is liability as a CB. I doubt he will do any better as a DM. His attitude, his desire, his spirit, his hairstyle are all good. But sadly he fails with his primary job, which is to defend. He has cost us so many points already. We bought Torres and Luiz in January of 2011. We would be better if we can sell any of these 2. Both of them would be best. We are still 3-4 players away from being league winning team. A CF, a midfield beast and a CB. Sadly, we wont get them all in January. But surely we have get a striker.
Keyser Soze
Ermmmmmm Noooooo. Been saying that before the game yesterday AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ACCUSE ME FOR BEING A HATER BECAUSE I SAY THAT. So please don't be lecturing me on why I said he is not a good finisher. Find out why I said so before assuming. Assuming I think he is not a good finisher because of 5 minutes and cameo appearances IS POOR FROM YOU. It is from his Bolton and Chelsea days. Number of goals he has scored doesn't matter, but how he scores those goals. Sturridge knows how to be in the right position at the right time and a lot of the goals he scored were whipped in crosses from Cole or Malouda or from the left flank of which he headed or tapped in. Almost all Cole's assists from the left wing last season went to Daniel Sturridge. More times than not, he fluffs a clear one on one chances with the keeper because he lacks composure in front of the keeper and makes poor decisions. Only a hand few of his Chelsea goals depicted this last season as well. Luiz's positioning in the Center of Defense depends on which CB is playing. If it is Terry, he plays RCB. If it is Cahill, he plays LCB.
KAKUfrank
KAKU, while you're bang right on the nose that the Lamps-Rammy-Mikel midfield trio won't create much, do take into consideration that one big difference from last year could be the left wing, where we'll have Moses rather than the ineffectual Malouda. With his direct running at opposition fullbacks, Moses is almost always a lot to handle. And we don't have any proven finishers in the side at the moment, doesn't that necessitate Lampard? And the one way he knows to operate is on the left prong of the 3 man midfield with his late runs. So why shouldn't 4-3-3 be the best way to go?
Carefree_1990
Because as far as strikers go, right now we're fresh out of options. Till January.
Carefree_1990
What happened yesterday was disappointing but changes have to be made such as putting Luiz on the bench yes he is a very good player but you don't know which Luiz will turn up our CB pairing should be Iva/Cahill with Azpi as the RB. Striker should be Sturridge I would have him ahead of Torres. Danny is not a bad choice.
Elbowz
I cannot believe that people on here would seriously want us to sell luiz, I find it absolutely laughable. Yes luiz is an erratic defender but selling him is a bit stiff isn't it. I believe it's up to the management to tell luiz what he has to do as a defender, if RDM is telling luiz to dribble the ball out of defence, if RDM is telling him where are who to mark then is that luiz fault, is he not following instructions. Ok he loses the ball, but even the greatest players loose the ball. Sell luiz and we regret it. Going back to basics, I'm not sure if changing the formation is the answer, but maybe changing the personnel within it. Using Marin, Sturridge, Moses more on a regular basis is the answer, if RDM realises that using what he's got is the key then we can improve. We are all disappointed for sure, but being so dramatic, really?
Blue1989
However I am not adverse to moving Torres on now, do what's best for all parties. He's been given a rough ride, we've been given a rough ride now its time to say thanks, and go separate ways.
Blue1989
I haven't posted for a while but can see from the above that opinions are as divided as ever. This of course is good so long as no attempt is made to berate or belittle someone who has a different opinion. I like what Kaku is saying but a lot of others have very valid points too. In my view we do need a different approach to games especially when playing away and more so whilst JT and Cole are missing. It is my view only but I would try a 4-3-3 with Azpi, Iva, Cahill and Cole at the back. The middle three would be Moses, Mikel and Ramires and at the front we would have what I call the Triumphant Three Oscar, Mata and Hazard. Yes I would drop Torres (having supported him since day one). My rational is simply that, the Triumphant Three especially Mata and Hazard simply cannot defend but they sure can cause damage to the opposition. And in Oscar, I believe we potentially have the best finisher in the team at this moment. He looks so comfortable in the opposition penalty area it is a joy to behold. That flick yesterday to set up Sturridge was simply divine. Talking of moments, I fear this moment is fast turning into a "Bad Moment" so we need to act quickly. A few things have become patently obvious inasmuch that Torres does not feel for Chelsea what we feel. I also think the Sturridge has had enough. Bertrand is not ready to take over the mantle from Cole and JT is the glue that holds the back line together. Once JT and Cole return we will have some sort of leadership and resolve to guide the youngsters through this horrible period. But RDM needs to drop Torres now before he becomes the weight that drags him down. Sorry to be so downbeat everyone but the last four PL results have been very hard to take. Let's all get behind the team and hope Tuesday marks a turnaround in our fortunes. And finally, let's hope Santa sends us a belated present in January, one with goals written all over it. It's Falco for me, please. Good luck everyone.
KeepingTBFFH
Oscar, Mata and Hazard upfront wouldn't get you goals. And Moses in central midfield would be wasting his otherwise excellent abilities as a winger, from where he can do some real damage. We need Lampard back in the side and now. Where and how to best do so remains open to debate.
Carefree_1990
Well said KeepingTBFFH...but I am not sure about Moses/Mikel/Ramires in the midfield...Need someone to distribute the ball. I might swap Oscar and Moses around. Or replace Piazon for Moses in the midfield.
lamarochs
Ermmmm thats absolute nonsense. " Sturridge knows how to be in the right position at the right time and a lot of the goals he scored were whipped in crosses from Cole or Malouda or from the left flank of which he headed or tapped in. Almost all Cole's assists from the left wing last season went to Daniel Sturridge." So what he's not suppose to try and get on the end of these crosses? And the majority of our attack use to come in from the left (i'd say 90%). The fact that he was getting on the end of them and Drogba and Torres weren't I think speaks volume. "Number of goals he has scored doesn't matter, but how he scores those goals." so what you're expecting spectacular goals all the time? number of goals you score do matter more than how you score them, ask any striker, in the world (Raul/Inzagi) because goals win you matches. Yh he's fluffed a few chances one on one but he has also scored a few (stoke, sunderland, UAE to name a few). And you talk as though he gets put through a few times a game...not true. I think he's scored more than he's fluffed, you just remember the one's he fluffed more.
Ess...DaBison
Good rdm for realising there is a problem/s(defense and stricking forces).please work unto them and try to fix them with what you have waiting for jan to come when you can bolster the weaknesses in the team.at any given time(my opinion) try to select a team according to the opponent's strength and weakness.
blue5
I think he's trying to say is that Studge is not a lethal finisher. He's more of a poacher and he's chance to goal ration probably isn't very good as he's not starting for cfc. Also, i don't think your opinion of his lack of sharpness due to his lack of playing time stands a reason. You see, he trains everyday like all the other players, and the fact that he doesn't play that much as Torres proves the exact opposite of what your saying. He should be more clinical with his scoring and more rested and more hungry in that respect.... but, because he does lack this killer instinct he doesn't start as we don't see him in training and RDM does... Don't you think that if he was better then Torres RDM would still keep him on the bench behind Torres? I really don't think so, as Torres price value isn't a factor anymore but his ability (and his past liverpools performances)... imo both of them should be shipped off in January. I was against it before the summer, but now his lack of composure in front of goals, not even looking for a killer final pass in the final third, his heading ability, and his lack of clinical finishing were exposed in the west brom game.... If he showed any of these features at least once out of his 5/6 chances he got in that game we would at least have tied the game. If he showed it at least twice in that game both him and Mata should have scored.... just saying
Tiraspol
Carefree_1990, I hear what you say but I thought that we we trying to be a little more defensive than of late and that most of our goals have been scored by Oscar, Mata and Hazard. lamarochs, you are right too but my train of thought is that moses would help secure the right hand side and Ramires would the same on the left. Mikel would sit just in front of the back four at all times. However, when Moses pocked up the ball he would surge forward as Carefree_1990 rightly points out and the Ramires aand Mikel would hold back to check any counter attack. Similarly, Ramires would do the same for the left with Moses and Mikel holding back. Just a thought as we do not yet have a player in the Ferandinho (of Shakter) mould who can distribute the ball. Piazon I agree is certainly one for the not to distant future as is De Bruyne who appears to be doing very well. Hey but this is just my view.
KeepingTBFFH
pocked??? aand?? Picked and. Apologies for my typo errors
KeepingTBFFH
Luiz is 10 times better than terry in my opinion and he is in the Brazil team which is the most demanding national side in the world. we need a good left back and mikel playing closer to the back two. our problem is not the defenders as we all know that chelsea have the best defenders in the EPL but the problem is our tactics and strategies and that is the department of our own RDM.
Drogged-Mo
Also, RDM sacrificing on of the three musketeers to go defense should really worry everyone. Not only we will create less scoring chances, with inability finish them, but our defensive approach will be under even more pressure and will crack no doubt. Unless he wants to change the formation, all it is is just a shift in players roles on the pitch. To withdraw an attacking player in favor of more defensive one doesn't make any sense when we have quite possible three best players in the squad, and to sacrifice one of them is nonsense. Unless of course it's Torres, lol. What he should and needs to sort out is the defensive responsibility and awareness of our defense. That can and should be solved by bringing in a defense coach to help RDM out. When Jose was here, a 1-0 lead for us meant a done, finished and a game won. Today we can't even with with 2-0 lead. Even though our players are not all the same except maybe JT and Cech, but their all not worse then what we've had. If anything i think they are all better then what we've had... we just lack organizational defensive approach... we're not losing by our inability to defend, but rather our defensive responsibilities, meaning players getting caught out of position in transition when we lose the ball, and players making individual mistakes at key moments. (not making the right decisions) at key moments of the game... What do you think: if Luiz was coached by say Jose at RM, would he still be that liability and mistake prone as he is for us at the moment???????
Tiraspol
Luiz is 10 times better than terry in my opinion and he is in the Brazil team which is the most demanding national side in the world. we need a good left back and mikel playing closer to the back two. our problem is not the defenders as we all know that chelsea have the best defenders in the EPL but the problem is our tactics and strategies and that is the department of our own RDM.
Drogged-Mo
I disaggre with the all 'defensive' mode also, i'd stick with kaku's point, play iva at CB and play azpi at RB. Luiz and betrand are costing us points every single game. I can't believe that the once mighty chelsea defence has become a basket where any tom, dick and harry could score.
LeyemovicH
Hahahaha!!!!! Amazing @Tiraspol, how do u expect a guy on bench and only training to be more sharp than another who trains and plays in competitive games regularly???? I don't get that logic at all, do u understand the difference between fitness and match fitness?
Latunvic
@Lutunvic, yes quite clearly... but do you notice that with all the match fitness that Torres got, Studge with his "just fitness" did 10 times more in the last 15 mins of the game then Torres did in an entire time he played... so yes i now the difference.
Tiraspol
We don't need to switch into a defensive mode, it will in fact add to our problem bcos we don't have the players to execute such tactic and we seem to be running out or luck these days... simple one or two changes is all we need. I have said before, same strategy, game plan and tactic for every game is RDM's problem... even when he uses different players, he still uses same tactic and game plan... Playing Mikel and Romeu together was already defensive, just that it was in a stupid manner. All RDM needs to do is be more intelligent and smart with his team selection, tactics and game plan. For instance, playing sturridge and Torres together in a 4-2-3-1 formation was silly, playing Moses as one of the 3 in 4-2-3-1 drastically reduces his effectiveness. Play Moses on the wing in 4-3-3... or tell him to do more of outward drifts than cut-in when playing the 4-2-3-1 formation.... tell mikel to always remain behind the middle line, play Iva at CB in place of Luiz, etc.... simple effective changes is all we need, we have good players who have so far been carrying the team, it's time for the coaching/managerial dept to stand up and put on their thinking cap....
Latunvic
I get that @Tiraspol, but finesse, sharpness and efficiency in front of goal comes with serious competitive games and playing such games is what brings match fitness... Sturridge may be more alert and agile but his goal finesse will only come with more competitive games not training....
Latunvic
luiz better than terry?did someone say that?yes,luiz is great,apart from his moments of madness,but seriously comparing any CB with terry is a crime.
cfc250
Luiz is not going to be sold. The earlier evryone wise up to the fact thst he is key to bringing the other brazlns and keeping d one tht we have happy the better for us all. I believe some hair dryer treatment couply with some times on the bench having him watch all his errors again and again will cure him of his impetousness. Also - I believe a change in the line up cab be a 4 3 3 with ramires mikel and oscar in the midfield mata, hazard on the wings constantly swapping on the wings with oscar slightly in front of mikel and ramires. Or go for a 3 - 5 - 2. With Azzi, cahill, Ashley in defence, moses/ betrand and ramires as wing backs, with the trio of Mazacar thru the middle ( Oscar playing deeper in the midfield ) and torres playing as supporting striker with Sturridge as the CF. He brings more to the table than torres as a cente forward. Another option is to play paizon as a roaming striker/ midfielder dropping deep to help oscar in the middle.
Dwonder
And Luiz too, at that.
Carefree_1990
well terry is not the one he use to be and i believe firmly that now a days terry is not even half of Luiz. Terry captain leader and intelligent yes but he isnt the player he use to be and i believe terry is 10 times better man manger than RDM. I love terry but he havent got the legs anymore and thats why he was benches against shaktar because they were too quick and fast. you ask any top team who will they have Terry now or Luiz and u will get your answer. the promlem with Luiz or our defense is the making of RDM lack of strategy. any one who plays football can see that apart from fifa gamers who think everything is as easy as they fantasize.
Drogged-Mo
@Tiraspol sorry mate thats nonsense. Any player in the world would tell you that producing it on the training field and producing it in a match is not the same. Sturridge is a good trainer and chelsea tv always report how well Sturridge trains and that he scores goals for fun in training. Even last season when both Drogba and Torres were at the club Sturridge use to get good reviews for training sessions. You are deluded to think that Torres gets into the team ahead of Sturridge because he trains better, everyone knows why Torres gets in ahead and that is simply because of how much the owner bought him for. So you can be "just saying" whatever you want but in reality everyone knows why Torres gets in ahead of Sturridge!
Ess...DaBison
Kaku's analysis is spot on. Sometimes, I wonder why its so hard for those in charge to see this.
essienic
IMO our main problem is lack of good strikers, I belief once that is sorted out we will be surprised the situation is not as bad as we are thinking because we will start wining matches. In most matches we've played this season the team creates loads of chances which we have no striker to convert, imagine a Van Persie in the team you know we would have won most of our matches even with our level of defending, I belief it's our lack of scoring goals that is making our defensive frailty so obvious.
sojofjand
I like some of @Dwonder's ideas. RDM need to be a bit more flexible with his approach and tactics. Maybe the early wins led him to believe he has found a winning formula to stick to, I'm sorry he will be very disappointed cos we ain't have no winning formula yet... And I do agree with @Drogged-Mo, simply substituting Luiz with JT won't end our defensive blunders and early goal syndrome, the early goal thing has been going on for a while now. The right tactic, strategy and game plan is what we need. I honestly expect RDM and his entourage to up their game and be more proactive...
Latunvic
@Latunvic "simply substituting Luiz with JT won't end our defensive blunders and early goal syndrome" --- Haha I think it will mate. At least he wont mess up the basics for a start!
Ess...DaBison
It will to some extent because JT is obviously a more experienced and composed defender, but I feel our leaking of goals is more of a tactic and strategy issue than just an individual...
Latunvic
@Ess...DaBison - completely agree with you. @ Kaku - Sturridge has been one of the best finishers of the last 24 months for Bolton then Chelsea, and thats comparing to the likes of Drogba, Torres, Anelka, Kalou, Malouda, Lampard. The numbers dont lie, and lets remember alot of the game time has been from wide, where as none of drogbas or torres has been at all?! - and seriously saying that the numbers of goals someone scores doesnt matter but how they score them? Come one mate, we are talking about strikers (mainly). Goals scored is the most important stat they have and why Torres is branded as the biggest flop in Europe right now. Sturridge is absolutly and without doubt more clinical than any other striking option we have right now, its jsut a pity he is rusty with lack of game time due to being impeded by the 50 million pound man. I am abolustly convinced that part of RDMs directive from Roman would have been to get Torres scoring so he gets some return on the 'investment' otherwise he would not have had so much game time playing almost every minute of every match. I think now he is in a position where he basically cant play him every minute every more or we are going to get ourselves into more trouble than we are already in with Nandos lack of drive and goals..
BlueKiwi
@ Kaku - Sturridge was trying plenty more and showing so much more than Torres has all season really yesterday. Good passing, shooting with both feet outside and inside the box, pace, making good runs, drifting wide and deep when required, good skill and technical ability. He held onto the ball very well also and didnt give too much away - surely you made note of all this? If Nando was doing what Sturridge did yesterday people would be signing praises that he is back and near his best yet again..
BlueKiwi
What surprised me most at the start of the season was the essien loan deal. If he is fit enough to start for Real madrid then why did we sell him? Probably because of hazard and oscar's arrival we were too confident in our midfield. If we had essien then we would no longer would have had to play mikel and romeu midfiel like we did against wba.
ktm_blues
I think half of the defensive worries will be better with Ivanovic and Cahill paired together in the middle. Cahill had a pretty good game against and in form and very good Shane Long. Luiz on the other hand had his work cut out for him and for me was the most ineffective defender we had along with Bertrand. I think Bertrand just needs to calm down a bit with getting into advanced positions and think about defending first and foremost so he is not left out of position too much, particularly with having Luiz as the Left Centre Back as his covering on Bertrand hasnt been that good. Im sure both Bertrand and Azpi were being told to get advanced as both were getting very forward.. Perhaps having the wing backs be more conservative is all we really need? That and Ivan/Cahill at the back in the centre.
BlueKiwi
@Drogged-mo.So what if he lacks pace.He makes up for that with his excellent reading of the game.Luiz is great,but he he has moments of madness consistently.And why are we conceeding so many goals in the absence of Terry?And why was Petr Cech not tested against Liverpool when Terry was there on the pitch?
cfc250
The only defenders in need of pace are those who have a tendency of straying out of position. Terry isn't, nor will he ever be, one of those. End of.
Puttinuttan
We should have sold Luiz to Barcelona when we had the chance. Hummels would be an excellent replacement for him, although not cheap.
Drog of War
Our main problem isn't our formation. It's the players that we are using in two areas. CB and ST. David Luiz is too inconsistent and Torres is useless as we know him. This is what I would do. Defense: Cole, Cahill, Ivanovic, Azpilicueta. ST: Sturridge (until January). In January we should buy Falcao, he has already given some comments about Chelsea. Recall Lukaku and sell Torres and maybe Sturridge. We should also bid for Fernandinho, he completely destroyed our midfield and having him and Ramires would be one of the best duo in the world.
Drog of War
We should also sell Ferreira and Malouda ASAP to reduce wages.
Drog of War
LoL...I said it when he was appointed, the true measure of a man is how he reacts when "chips are down" and there you have it, back to that defensive garbage pof last season. Now I'm getting pretty sure we'll have another Manager come next season
@Mq
If I were RDM I'd...1) Drop the Torr-Mented1 and start with Sturridge, 2) Drop Luiz and play Iva+Cahill at CB, play Azpi at RB, 3) Have a plan B especially agaionst counter attacking teams (4-1-4-1) where our defenders don't move beyond the halfway line but Moses (RW) and Hazard (LW) provide the width. Hazard sin't a technical player for the middle, he's a winger with pace and goot fast dribbling skills so it's obvious he plays well on the wings (as he's done for Lille)....That way we'll have width (Moses & Hazard) whilst keeping Oscar+Mata at CAM playing behind a pacy and mobile Sturridge. That obviously means the dropping of Mikel for Ramirez at the pivot....if he does this I'm confident he'll do better than we doing right now and maybe he'll keep his job
@Mq
@mq spot on atlast someone who makes sense amongst all the whining I just painstakingly read. Like I said earlier on; as an 18yr old won't appreciate a Ferrari so won't RDM appreciate this team. Bring in Pep and make him assistant till summer/ he gts a better offer elsewhere
blueblood4life
I was going to make the point Kaku made earlier. It may be as simple as making sure Luiz plays RCB where he is used to partnering JT. Cahill will be JT's replacement eventually so it makes sense to use him LCB. And we need a dedicated defence coach (like we have a goalkeeping coach). JT for that role?
BlueABS
And someone has to take up the mantle of organising the defence on the pitch when JT can't play. And it can't be Cech (or Cole for that matter).
BlueABS
@Mq is improving with his analysis and his insight is completely astute. Something must WORK out with this guys,they a a plethora of talent a good coach can easily see and know where to slot who and which formation to play who and rest who,rotations and variations is the way forward not being predictive and got exposed by other team.we have enough talents for rotations. Essdabison*= finally somebody who thinks the way i do in football.
11bandwagon
Now is the time to start winning them. I would not mind how the wins come since I just remembered that it is the slump month and whichever tactics he plans to employ, I am going to support him till January when we come back with the attacking and unstopable entertainments.
Kendemsblue
In my own opinion, I think our problem lies with our obvious formation, we are now like a team without any pattern, we play only one formation without any plan B, we are being fed our own poison by other teams, we handled barca thru counter attacks, we beated barca bcos they don't have a plan B, now we are falling into the same trap and we won't come out of it anytime soon except our coach does his home work well, we have been playing 4-2-3-1 without fail and using the same personnel, except the westbrom game, we lack a plan B, we lack diversity, we don't play a 4-4-2, nor a 4-3-3 which are both sucessful formations if we apply them carefully, we lack that element of suprise, we have been found out with that formation, rdm needs to overcome this rut before it overcomes him or he'll be out of his depths, what I can advice as a cfc fan is, drill the defenders, I won't mind if he dedicates the whole week plugging the defensive hole, and the whole of next week making strikers take finishing practice and shooting, then he can try a 4-3-3 formation or a 4-4-2 depending on his position, he is the one that has the coaching license and can do a better job than our opinion, play cech,cole,cahill,iva,cesar,mikel/rammy,oscar,mata,hazard,moses and sturridge against juve with mikel/rammy staying as a DM with instructions not to move forward, all he should be told to do is shield the back four and break up play, pass to mata or oscar to transit from defense to attack and hope for the best, that is our best deal for now in my own opinion, a 4-3-3 formation as I highlighted just now
Desmondadonis
this guy is simply not good enough.
zosBlue
spot on Desmodadonis
11bandwagon
You guys are missing the point...jeez Robbie is trying to point out that confidence is low in camp which obviously happens after a certain amount of games without a win,the lads probably doubt their abilities. 'Sticking to the basics' Means keeping it simple and balanced,that's what i have been clamoring for,for weeks now. Fergie employed the same strategy last season,Man United were winning games at ease with high goal margins and were playing some good attacking football,until they got beat 6-1 by City. They had to go back to basics and started playing with more balance and Fergie acknowledged that it had to be done to build confidence...its basically the same thing Robbie is doing and ppl call him clueless...Scoring goals don't give u confidence,winning does.
nelyvanile
Nelyvanile, nice epistle there, so how do u think robbie will get it right? If u are in his position. What will u do? I am asking u bcos seriously who knows if ur opinion might be what we need.
Desmondadonis
In summary It will be hard not lose games as long as we have Torres who is bent on not scoring and Luiz who has become so generous at giving out goals to opposition
Realmike
@Desmond. I do not agree it has anything to do with formation...as long as the team is lacking that link up and balance,we will get the same result whatever formation we play. For God sakes we played 4-2-3-1 towards the tail end of last season...The team had that balance,once a player moved out of position you had someone else plugging in to fill the hole regardless of your position in the team...
nelyvanile
Hazard (LW) and Moses/ Marin (RW) will provide us the width we need, although they can also come centrally when necessary. Mata & Oscar will play behind Sturridge and given the cameo vs West Brom, this could be a deadly combination with time.
@Mq
we've mostly been conceding from the wings, meaning our wing backs are constantly caught out of position and this can mainly be attributed to them focusing on running forward than not (recall the supposed argument between Iva and RDM) so for us to negate wing and counter attacking threat, our 4 defenders never venture beyond the halfway line. We evidently have no immediate need for a 2 man pivot (problem isn't in the middle) so lose 1 pivot guy, the least effective being Mikel, he can always come in the 2nd half especially when we are protecting a lead. Ramires will protect the back 4 and man-mark the opposition playmaker.
@Mq
...or God sakes we played 4-2-3-1 towards the tail end of last season...LoL what Chelsea were you watching NELY?? We were playing 9-1 formation, everyone knows this
@Mq
'As a team we have to defend better. You don't defend with one, you defend with the whole team.' Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2234917/Roberto-Di-Matteo-fighting-job-Petr-Cech-involved-dressing-room-bust-up.html#ixzz2CexdVg9X............................................................that's Roberto Di Matteo's philosophy
@Mq
@Desmond. Ill do exactly what robbie is saying,'basics' not being overly attacking,Defend as a unit and attack as a unit,opposition teams realize we leave holes unplugged when we attack which leaves us prone to counter attacks...We need to play more as a team,in all positions of the pitch,times like this when we lack leadership in defence(with JT's absence) U need every player working their butts off for each other.
nelyvanile
@Mq...You are usually in the Media bandwagon,you comment on what you read on sites...so we played 4-9-1 ei? We played with 14 players on the pitch...how brilliant.
nelyvanile
if we...Defend as a unit and attack as a unit...then it either has us playing garbage football (when defending) or exposes us to counter attacking (when attacking ) NELY
@Mq
What do you not understand about how we used to win games, and make sure first and foremost that we don`t concede."?? What are we missing the point on when RDM himself says we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive?? Not trying to be a nuisance but if you misinterpret this then you are either in denial or naive (no offense)
@Mq
Point #1 - We might have to go back to how we used to win games, and make sure first and foremost that we don`t concede...Point #2 - "Maybe it is a time when I have to change things in terms of selection and the way we play...Point #3 - Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive."...Point #4 - but we have players who have been through this before."....and after all these clear and salient points you say we are "missing the point" NELY??
@Mq
RDM has to get back to basics, but it is not necessarily going to path which got us euro success. We dont have players to play those kind of play. RDM knows this. Instead, he should show more courage in dropping Torres & Luiz. He should put faith on Cahill-Iva CB pair & sturridge for CF role. If he can correc this, I think chelsea can easily win lot of matches....We are doing pretty good, but we are very careless at the back & our striker dont care to shoot the ball...
Blu_run
When with possession of the ball u keep possession and do ur usual movement and passing,as soon as you loose the ball,u press to keep opponents at bay and get back into a solid defending position. If a player tucks out of position the other covers,its more about keeping a solid shape.
nelyvanile
@nelyvanile when I mentioned that on matchday thread against shakter, I was being ignored, I said we need to be pressing teams and stop losing ball unnecessarily, that was how shakter effectively us out and how we won spurs.
Desmondadonis
Did you read RDM's comments NELY and BLU_RUN?? I suggest you read them again, then tell me where I'm wrong
@Mq
How shakter shut us out effectively, they pressed us so well with their whole 10 players, we did that against arsenal and spurs and we won.
Desmondadonis
@Desmond. Shaktar are a good example of my point...they play good attacking football,keep possession well,and have great counter attack movements. To top it off they defend as a unit,that's the basics i'm talking about...Some just decide to argue blindly. It takes time to build balance,and the 'art of pressing' is not an easy feat,it takes a large amount of understanding.
nelyvanile
Guys, don't you think we need to call KDB back from loan. He will not do wonders, but he will give a very good alternative option. He defends better than other wingers/midfielders. He has scored more goals than Hazard in Bundesliga. Now please don't tell me that Bundesliga is crap. He has started all the games for Bremen. He is rated better than Hazard by the Belgian coach. At this moment our side is too predictable coz our squad is very small. Bringing back KDB will give more quality options. He can play in pivot as well. Don't know whether its possible to recall though.
kunthechelseafan
I agree with u on that nelyvanile, some argue blindly and twist facts to suit a skewed way of reasoning all in the name of getting rid of the coach, who in my opinion did well in our last game. So I am sure he is doing something right, all I hope is that he gets it right soon so @mq and others won't get their wish. Playing like shakter is what we can do now to beat juve and man city, press and press them, don't lose ball unnecessarily, be clinical in front of goal and using his players intelligently and effectively.
Desmondadonis
the Juve game will prove what kind of Manager we have, a "true" tactically clued up Manager or some "happy go lucky" who has absolutely no inventive capabilities, which will spell the end of his tenure. It's not just about being defensive to win but having the right players doing the right thing, why do other teams win while playing attacking that we CHELSEA have to win playing garbage?? We didn't spend 80Mil+ on attacking talent to watch defensive crap
@Mq
If I am to quote RDM directly he said "Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive." and if that is not clear to you, perhaps "We might have to go back to how we used to win games, and make sure first and foremost that we don`t concede" and clearly you'll see he's basically saying priority is defending. Add the next point "change things in terms of selection and the way we play" and again I say, it's that already not self-interpreted then I say no more
@Mq
@mq, prof so what happens if rdm nicks a point away at juve or wins? Would u go AWOL on VC for 2 weeks? And if he loses I'll do the same? Of u are sure that he is a happy go lucky manager then u won't be scared of going along with this sure bet? Or would u be in denial?
Desmondadonis
Priority is not defending...priority is not conceding...and there are many ways to go about not conceding...and he was asked a question refarding our next two vital fixtures the Juve and Citeh game...Read the full interview and stop taking words out of context.
nelyvanile
www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/dressingroom-row-cranks-up-heat-on-chelsea-3297116.html This is another version of it
Desmondadonis
We should combine τ̲̅ђǝ two together more S̶̲̥̅☺,torres need τ̲̅ȍ start  τ̲̅ђǝ bench!....cos with torres  τ̲̅ђǝ pitch we α̲̅я̩̥̊ε̲̣̣̣̥ playing a̷̷̴̐ man down too...what a̷̷̴̐ waste called torres..
onomzy23
@onomzy, change ur writing formatt on bb to englishUk, it might help with this annoying way ur comments show each time u make contributions. U are depriving us of ur input.
Desmondadonis
Here are some issues that shows why RDM is not good enough for CFC. 1) He doesn't seem to understand that the players we have this season are not suitable for solid territorial defense game we played last season. They are more suited for a high line pressing defensive play that aims to win the ball back (in contrast to defending not to concede goals). 2) The team lacks set of premeditated attacking moves. Our attacking midfielders, as talented as they are, don't have a well choreographed attacking move, they just cruise around the opponent's defense trying to create something new on the spot. 3) Midfielders and full backs are ill-positioned to defend when we are being counter attacked. Have you guys noticed that opponent players were barely challenged when they receive the ball in our own half.
zosBlue
DESMOND say's we don't press enough, to whom do we attribute this "lack" to since we have 1 trainer??
@Mq
Its funny how some guys here think they know better than the manager. If you lot are that good why don't you manage a club?
Keyser Soze
I said he wasn't good enough from the start ZOS and I was labelled Enemy#1 since then. It's funny the same people can see what RDM lacks and isn't changing yet when you say he ain't good enough they call for you to be banned. It's been clear from day1, this guy was incredible lucky than good look now, no variation no "tactical nous" (that they loudly alluded to him having) all he has is 'man management' which is very basic for a top club, especially when challenging other top teams. We have a very average Manager who cannot make good use of the talent we have, now he talking about "Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive."" I mean, we just spent 80Mil on attacking only talent and he dares say such??
@Mq
Sorry i don't agree with u KAKU.ess...DaBison is right.for me sturridge maybe didn't have a football brain,but finishing is one of his expertise.u can't deny that.if u didn't watch much goals from him nowadays,but he does have composure in front of goal and when one on one situation,most notably his backheel goal against sunderland last season and the latest against man utd in capital one cup...
Chelsea n Torres Fan
@Mq...Robbie was asked how he was going to address the games against Juventus and Man City,and his reply was exactly what u read above...Don't take words out of context and make ur own judgments.
nelyvanile
On how the games against Juventus and Manchester City are to be addressed… 'We have been playing a little bit different this season and we might have to go a little bit back to win games, to make sure we don't concede and still have good combinations to score goals. That part above was not mentioned and that says a lot about his intentions...He further went on to say... 'Maybe it is the time when we might have to change in terms of our selection and the way we play, looking at the set-up of the team and sacrifice a little bit the attacking options to go a bit more defensive. 'We had a lot of joy with the way we have been playing and long-term that is the way we want to go but we need a couple of positive result to get our confidence high again and then move on. 'We have two massive games but we have players with a lot of experience and we have been in this position before.'
nelyvanile
@keyser, its also amazing how some feel they support the club better fan than others just because they stood up for the manager.
zosBlue
...Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive."....plz explain to me what this means NELY seems I'm "making my own judgements"
@Mq
and while you there, explain this too...We might have to go back to how we used to win games, and make sure first and foremost that we don`t concede...tell me if that doesn't mean priority is not to concede
@Mq
"Di Matteo hints at axing Torres for vital Chelsea clash with Juventus"- no one can blame him, i was a supporter of the give torres a chance campaign but now it's clear to all the guy is finished! so we all got to move on with Danny boy now!
pego sama
Oh lord!!! I have to explain that too...Okay. I'll explain with the easiest of examples. Ever heard of a Libra scale? (Signifies balance) let's assume our libra scale on both sides are attack(Left) and Defence(Right). Right now the one on the left outweighs the Right,u take a few out of the options on the left,so u can create a level field to get a good balance on both sides. Keep in mind this is just a temporary action for two important games to build confidence back into the team. ''We have been playing a little bit different this season and we might have to go a little bit back to win games, to make sure we don't concede and still have good combinations to score goals." That speaks volumes about balance and if u don't get this explanation,I rest my case.
nelyvanile
I just told u in gabeu's article @mq, why don't u take our performance against newcastle, arsenal and tottenham as examples and why pick last season's performance? I asked if we have the same personnel as we did last season, u did not answer, I asked u if we have players that can play a defensive set up like last season and u didn't answer that too. Says more about u picking on the guy, if he did something wrong, I'll be the first to criticise him, but u are making assumptions out of nothing, circumstancial reasoning sort of
Desmondadonis
I wish I can state my opinion without it being called nonsense, but whoever finds it as nonsense should please not respond to my comments at ALL. I Think it is fair they keep their opinions to themselves. If Dzeko, Villa, Chichirato, Lampard, Drogba or even Kalou were on the end of 3 of those chances created by Mata yesterday, there is high probability Chichirato would have scored all 3 goals; Dzeko (from the bench), Lampard, Villa and Drogba would have scored 2 of them; and Kalou would have scored 1 goal irrespective of how long they would have been out and irrespective of how many minutes they keep coming in as a sub. Sturridge has scored 2 goals this season -(Simple pass from Mata against Spurs for him to tap in which was similar to half of his goals last season for Chelsea and 1 similar to his debut goal at Bolton - took advantage of a miscue from oppositions defense and the keeper. Another way in which he scores are those instinctive shots he takes which quite frankly you can't even put your confidence in those. When he scores those he is brilliant - Sunderland, Blackburn, Bolton vs. West Ham. When he misses those, he is called all the kind of things in the world - selfish, this and that. I won't call that selfish, but football pundits and others did because Mata and co were in a better position to square it to them. The third chance which he missed was an example of that. If he missed that brilliant flick against Sunderland, he would have been crucified for not keeping it simple.
KAKUfrank
Dont worry @Mq, RDM is smart enough to know that the boss wants attacking football! and if he cant deliver that after spending A 100MILL then he'll simply just find someone who can, sure RDM is smart enough not to do stupid things like putting ramiries and bertrand on the wings.
pego sama
LoL at no point did RDM say we've been playing too attacking ( we aren't) and if he did, he'd be lying, so your "Libra scale" analogy is inaccurate. We have been 'balanced' somewhat, and all that statement says is we going back to what we know (We might have to go back to how we used to win games, and make sure first and foremost that we don`t concede.") and do away with some of the attacking talent we bought (Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive.") and if you need to understand what kind of football is being referred, it's the type we played with just about the same players and won ( we have players who have been through this before.")...you are trying to be political in your explanation NELY and sorry but your explanation isn't true and I bet deep down you know this too
@Mq
There is a big difference b/n defending 'not to concede' and defending 'to win the ball back' by forcing error. Our team of last season was built for defending with their back to the wall. They were defending their territory, they seldom cared what the opponent does with the ball in its own half. I want want to make it clear that I was fully behind this strategy. I appreciated every tackle they made, every foul they committed and every clearance they pulled for I know its a talent each player perfected through years of experience. I believe it took a great deal of focus and mental strength to keep passing footie masters like Xavi and Iniesta at bay. But these are new days, new set problems needing new approach.
zosBlue
Can we actually "see" what changes RDM was referring to before we start making conclusions? All we can do now is "assume", but let's see his changes on the pitch first before he gets crucified before committing a sin?
KAKUfrank
#1...I asked if we have the same personnel as we did last season...do you think that's an intelligent question worthy of my answer DESMOND?? Everyone knows we changed players Geez, same goes for your 2nd question... if we have players that can play a defensive set up like last season...do you real;ly expect me to answer that when we just spent 80MIL ON ATTACKING PLAYERS??
@Mq
....I have to change things in terms of selection and the way we play. Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive."...that's what RDM himself said, not me, so you ask him if we have the players to do that yeah?? Geez
@Mq
@Nelyvanile what do u know about soccer? I would like to know.if you watch me closely,i seldom comment on articles rather i prefer reading others post. So you think Marin and Moses was brought to play in the CWC ? Rotations and variations will be our weapon to avoid fatigue and loss of form, End of.Oscar on the pivot, anybody?
11bandwagon
@Nelyvanile what do u know about soccer? I would like to know.if you watch me closely,i seldom comment on articles rather i prefer reading others post. So you think Marin and Moses was brought to play in the CWC ? Rotations and variations will be our weapon to avoid fatigue and loss of form, End of.Oscar on the pivot, anybody?
11bandwagon
we already play with 6 defensive players (4 defenders and 2 pivot players) and some1 wants to tell me on the "Libra scale" we are attacking-inclined?? What a load of bollo(ks
@Mq
@Mq lets pray thats not what RDM intended doing,if its true then he must surely loose his job before the advent of a new striker in January.
11bandwagon
...why don't u take our performance against newcastle, arsenal and tottenham as examples...because we are losing now, we have been found out and all the Manager can think of is that...Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive."....for heaven's sake we already play 6 defensive players and 4 attacking players, how many more attacking players does he want to "sacrifice" DESMOND??
@Mq
@Mq. Read Desmond's comment ull understand better when we have played with balance this season with games he mentioned. For u to say we have been balanced somewhat is pretty laughable...done with the back n forth with u. Picking on the guy unnecessarily.
nelyvanile
lets get luiz out of defence cos basically he aint doing it get a defender in and we could use luiz in the middle hes got skill pace vision a gd passing range he can shoot and head it, then we need a goal scorer we should have got berbatov in cheap as chips
herefordchelsea
@mq, u didn't answer that bcos u'll look like someone that don't know anything, u are here yapping that di matteo will go defensive, then I asked u a simple question if we have the man power to play that kind of setup as we did? Are u saying oscar, marin, moses,hazard,mata will turn all defensive like mereiles,essien,drogba and kalou? What u can't discern in simple english is that even if rdm wants to, he can't play that kind of football again, bcos we don't have the means, as to the point I made when thsi stupid debate came up, I said ur comments and fear are premature, u'll be making sense if it was after the juve game and we play as u feared, now is like u are making a total dick out of urself.
Desmondadonis
we play with 6 DEFENSIVE players already NELY (6 out of 10) so there's no 'balance' because we are inclined toward defense??
@Mq
picking on RDM "unnecessarily"?? With his job reportedly on the line, I'm not the only 1 and actually, more influential people at Chelsea are "picking on the guy unnecessarily" according to your statement NELY so in terms of 'political correctness' between you and I, who's closer to the truth?? *go figure*
@Mq
So the measure of balance is by the personnels we used? 6 defensive players??? Is that how u measured balance?...Lol. Lord have mercy.
nelyvanile
did I not just answer your lame questions DESMOND?? I'll do that again...# 1 you asked if we have the same personnel, the answer is NO...#2 you asked if we have the players that can play defensive formation and I said "WE SPENT 80MIL ON ATTACKING PLAYERS yet RDM say's "Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive."....so in essence not only have I answered your questions DESMOND but you are asking the wrong person, ask RDM if we have the players to play defensive formation as he seems to think we should "sacrifice" our attacking options for defensive players GEEZ
@Mq
That 6 defensive players and 4 attackers won against newcastle, arsenal and tottenham comfortably without breaking sweat, we played so well that ur royal majesty applauded that display and match day moments threads can attest to that fact, so why are u doing a U-turn? Panicking when we haven't seen what di matteo will do tommorow, believe me when I say I'll be doing lots of criticising if I see that he did something wrong, but here u are shouting as if we already lost the game.
Desmondadonis
i think we should go back to 4 3 3.this formation gave us a record 103 leaque goals during Carlo Ancelottis tenure,and Mourinho and other CFC managers also played,this formation is our forte not less penetrative 4 3 2 1. Its 4 3 3 with Oscar in the Lampard role because of his shooting ability,partnered with Mikel and Ramires,Hazard and Mata doing it on the wings,Sturidge as CF.
11bandwagon
point is there's no balance in having 6 defensive players NELY hence I said we'vb been balanced somewhat. With 6 defensive players and RDM talking about sacrificing some of our attacking options, how many more defensive players does he want to play?? Therein lies my gripe... :)
@Mq
...so why are u doing a U-turn...I'm not doing a U-Turn DESMOND it's RDM doing that by saying "Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive." did you not read that?? Goodness me, why are you even debating about something you haven't understood??
@Mq
@mq, u keep missing the point, u are answering a simple question wrongly, I asked u if we have the players to play as we did last season u said NO, so how will rdm play this players in that defensive manner which u loathe then? And u asked me to go ask rdm? That sounds dumb to me, bcos any sane mind would know that if rdm ask moses,hazard,oscar and mata to sit back and defend, then it will be suicidal, a 10 year old kid would know its not possible either, u were criticising rdm too for our lose against westbrom, can u go back and check ur comment? U said desmond is right, we are just unlucky in this game, u did not pick a single negative point about rdm's performance as a coach on that day, or were u bootlicking me?
Desmondadonis
Merlin's interpretation reads It`s Back to Basics? Or, in other words, what we know gets results....how different is that from what I'm saying "Professor's"??
@Mq
i think 4 3 3 is balanced in respect of both attack and defence.
11bandwagon
@11bandwagon, I won't mind that at all... I would give it a try, if we are to play a fast counter attacking game like in the days of carlo, then rammy will be better suited than mikel, we'd be better of with rammy and oscar in the middle then
Desmondadonis
#1...so how will rdm play this players in that defensive manner which u loathe then...I don't know DESMOND because RDM said "Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive." which seems to be confusing you yet it's clear to me what that means. I don't know what you trying to do but it ain't worlking, everyone can see what RDM said so if you have "problems" with my interpretation then perhaps you have a better 1 which you can gladly expound upon.
@Mq
and Yes I said you were right about the West Brom game, but did you read what RDM said AFTER the game?? It's wherein lies my gripe. Dude, you really don't know why you debating with me do you?? Read the article again (without the comments) then come back and tell me I'm wrong in saying that RDM is suggesting we revert back to defensive footie
@Mq
@Desmond, but that's exactly what RDM is trying to do (defend our territories with hazard, oscar and mata).
zosBlue
I only saw the highlights of the WBA match but the general consensus is we were awful, and yet we appeared once again to miss a barrel load a good chances. You would have expected a top team to score at least 1 of them and sneak out of the Midlands with a draw. Poor finishing has cost us at least 3 points in the last 2 matches. Never mind Falcao where would we be with Hernandez? Every teams defense looks weaker when their best players are injured so it doesn't surprise me we have looked ropey without Terry and Cole. However what is concerning is the biggest culprit in defense is our £25m signing - that January 2011 transfer window is looking worse and worse as each week goes by. - If Terry's injured we are going to have to play Cahill and Ivanovic at CB. Bertrand might have looked good doubling up with Cole but on his own he's not looking so great. Then again Cole's not looked as good since Malouda was punted out the team, as Malouda at his best could score, create and defend.
CobhamBlue
@zosblue and @mq, when do u guys become mind readers and seers?
Desmondadonis
...Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive."...answer what this means DESMOND then I'll answer you question. Bear in mind that we play 4 defenders and 2 defensive mids (6 "defensive" players) and 4 attacking players. What does he mean when he says "Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive." DESMOND??
@Mq
do you think Hazard or Oscar will be as good as they can be with RDM in charge, Desmond?
zosBlue
Its a lecture then rather than a debate, we all knw that luiz is in the team ahead of cahill because of his mazy attacking displays atimes and the fact that he is more faster, replacing him with iva will be one, amother one is replacing hazard with moses who is more defensive than hazard, he might also want choke the midfield in a defensive manner by playing a 4-5-1 and he might play a 4-60 like spain, who cares? All the players we have can't defend like we did last season, get that into ur head, u are taking things too far! I told u that u are making a fool out of urself over and over again by arguing blindly,because rdm have not gone all defensive against juve yet, ur debate might be worth wasting my time on if it was our game against juve postmatch reaction, @zosblue, mata's getting the player of the month award for the 1st time answer ur question and so is mikel's improvement, his boldness to start oscar right away in the UCL with merits says a lot about him, what rdm problem have been so far in my own opinion is that he is rather inexperienced, offcourse that doesn't make him a bad coach
Desmondadonis
KAKU-"If he missed that brilliant flick against Sunderland, he would have been crucified for not keeping it simple."that example is to show how compose and confident he is when facing one on one against the goalkeeper.goal or no goal,your statement that he lack composure in front of goal is totally wide off the mark.i'm not sturridge fan,but i admit despite he lacks the football intelligence,he does have a good finishing if not great...
Chelsea n Torres Fan
to be at the right place on the right time is also part of finishing art,something that make lampard as the best goalscoring midfielder of all time,and torres as a poor striker...
Chelsea n Torres Fan
You're right Kaku I still think that is complete nonsense so I wont comment any further!
Ess...DaBison
could this be?????? http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/chelsea-consider-short-term-didier-drogba-deal
bleetoe
@Mq i am on your bandwagon in terms of how the team should line up. The only thing I disagree with getting rid of RDM. we have so many new players in the squad, he is still trying to intergrate them all and find the right balance. Eventually he will but thus far it has been like playing with 9 v 12. Torres has been non-existent and Luiz might as well be playing for the other teams
Ess...DaBison
Thank you @Keyser, so many idiots here that thinks coaching is as simple as ABC, saying all sort of rubbish, you lots should have taking up coaching as a profession if you think you even know more than the coach of CFC. Fools
sojofjand
I'd go back to 4-3-3. Its always worked very well for us and fits with the players we have. Same back 4 - Mikel, Ramires and Oscar - Mata - Hazard - ?? (whichever, they are both pants)
pancake
Tomorrows match aside. The positive is that everyone knows the problem and everyone knows the solution. We'll get Falco in January, and Torres will go back to Athletic Madrid. I don't think there has ever been a more obvious deal in football history. Expect Torres+€35M or something along those lines.
pancake
I never called for RDM to be sacked ESS...DABISON I'm mad @ him for sayin g "Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive."" because for all the attacking talent we have, he surely cannot be contemplating that??
@Mq
... I told u that u are making a fool out of urself over and over again by arguing blindly...LoL I won't debate nomore, clearly you have nothing worthwhile to say DESMOND
@Mq
We know the squad is small. We also know Torres is useless. We always "almost" threaten to be the best team in the world. Last season the problem was the wing and midfield but now it's strikers. Why can't the guys at the top sort out teams dynamics properly?
foreign_viewer
A winning team must start to defend and later build from defence to attack, so chelsea are building from the back and when they loose the ball, it is becoming easy to attack them
Kendemsblue
They are dangerous on the ball and useless off the same
Kendemsblue
It's not so much the "guys at the top" FOREIGN but also the lack of variation from the Manager (NOT SAYING HE SHOULD BE SACKED) because for a while now we seen him pick basically the same team game in game out, why hasn't he been trying variation?? Why has he been playing the same formation and keeping our "fringe" players benched throughout, talking about phasing them in slowly?? If you don't innovate and variate you will be found out, as he has been now.
@Mq
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2235504/Will-Fernando-Torres-play-Chelsea-v-Juventus.html#ixzz2CkFDU05v..............apart from Oscar and Sturridge how many players have we seen do this?? We been playing compact defenses for a while now yet we still didn't have players do that, what are they doing in training, what's the plan B??
@Mq
 

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