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Dark clouds gathering 3

This is written in response to what certain unnamed sources indicate has transpired in our dear club since our Saturday loss to West Brom. This was reported late today on the Fox Soccer channel though the actual sources quoted as is typical of this sort of "news" is not identified. This may well be idle chatter and I hope it is but the events if true are deeply worrying to me and should also concern anyone who has the best wishes for our dear club at heart.

Apparently following the loss to West Brom, RDM who is usually the epitome of calm even in a storm was very disappointed, animated and unhappy about the performance and a heated discussion then ensued behind closed doors with the players where views were aired as to what the problems were.

The issue of shoddy defending was brought up with several senior players including Petr Cech airing their views as to the way forward (so far nothing unexpected or untoward)..the script then reportedly changes to the dark side because RDM apparently decided that going forward there was a need for a more cautious approach that placed primary focus and importance on defensive solidity..with this in mind he then reportedly drafted his outline of how the team would be formatted for the upcoming Juve match and that El Nino would not be starting in that match.

Apparently some time after this discussion which had been a behind doors team members only meeting word of the meeting made its way up to the upper heirachy of our club and there was an immediate and firm rebuke of RDM particularly regarding El nino not starting against Juve. Further it appears RDM was then told in no uncertain terms that the upper echoleon are losing patience with him based on recent results and that his job was not secure.

Again whether this is true or not I cannot say but I am very worried..I had a few times so far this season mostly tongue in cheek asked why El nino has started every single game for us when available and mentioned that maybe RDM has been "instructed" to play him. It seemed an outlandish notion but now this may not be so far fetched after all.

We all remember the legends that made the rounds in Cobham of the "player power cartel" that followed the exit of Jose. It appears we may have the next version of this cancer now brewing. If there is any truth to this we are in a very bad place. Virtually all of us here on VC after the display against West Brom felt El Nino did not deserve a starting spot for the upcoming Juve match..if he does start come Tuesday I for one will seriously suspect that RDM was coerced into this decision with the threat of losing his job should he leave out Torres and the results not go as the top Echeolon want. The secondary issue of what mandate he received from above as to style of play is a matter for speculation but raises the serious question of how a coach can manage a team effectively and command authority and respect from his players if tactics and strategy are mandated from elsewhere.

I know there are folks on VC who don`t value what we have in RDM and consistently seek to undermine him. I also know there are those who are so enamored by flowing attacking football that they lose the plot in this intoxicating lust for Jogo bonito but can we be pragmatic for a moment? Based on our recent displays is it unwise for our coach to be concerned about our defensive woes and seek a return to better competence at the back?

We go into a Juve game of momentous significance. We already managed to tie the ignominious record of the Champions League champion (or its prior equivalent) who have lost to the Europa league champion (or its prior equivalent) in the European Super Cup by the largest margin when we got shell lacked by Atletico Madrid in Monaco. We are now facing the very real danger of being the first Champions league champion not to get out of the group stages since this new format was designed. If we lose to Juve on Tuesday and as expected Shaktar beat Nordsjaeland we will be in the dangerous position where Shaktar and Juve can draw in their final game and see us out no matter what we do against Nordsjaeland at Stamford bridge.

With this in mind it is clear that the Juve match is one we cannot afford to lose no matter what. We don`t need to win but we must not lose. We don`t need to be flashy, flowy or entertaining in that match..what we must be is efficient, supremely focused and effective..we must not concede and that is why a cautious water tight defense first approach would be a wise one to use while putting out our best counter attacking finishing options to try and grab a goal or two on the counter.

In my mind to go after Juve Mano-E-Mano as though we are Barca would be suicidal. This cautious approach however seems to have drawn a stern rebuke from the upper Echoleon. The problem I see though is should be line up as usual with Mazacar, Torres up front, whatever backline we can muster with Cole and JT still out injured and Mikel + Ramires in the midfield and we yet lose to Juve, RDM will again be the fall guy and with subsequent BPL games against City and Fulham none of which we are anywhere certain to win the dreaded question needs to be pondered again;

Is RDM going to be the next casualty in the rotating coaching shooting carousel gallery that is Chelsea FC?

It is almost ironic in a way that just as our game against West Brom last year saw the last of AVB another game against the same team this year has now brought this ugly theme up again with a return fixture Champions league match (against Juve this time as opposed to the one against Napoli last year) against a Serie A side being the apparent rubicon deciding event. All I can do is hope and pray that all ends well in Turin not just for RDM's sake but far more importantly for Chelsea FCs sake because if that game goes south I fear decisions may be made in the heat of the moment thereafter that may not bode well for the club.




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Writer: GabeU Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday November 19 2012

Time: 7:09AM

Your Comments

RDM will be sacked y the end of the season. Pep Guardiola is Romans firt choice manager and if he was anting to stay in management after leaving Barca then im 100% sure Pep would be at chelsea right now. RDM aint a bad manager but i just know that Roman wants Pep and Roman wil get Pep.
Dave-David
So are we now saying that Chelsea Football Club now revolves around one player, is every decision that is made under the directive to get Torres firing. Well guys don't count on falcao coming anytime soon, we drop Torres he moans, we buy another striker he feels pushed out, I'm actually beginning to wonder who actually owns the club, Torres or abramovich. So rdm's job is on the line not because of results but because he wants to drop Torres, of course the board will make out its because he wasn't getting the results, but the real reason is that he couldn't get a donkey to drink water. Can our board get there heads out of the sand and actually see that we have a striker who cannot score in a month of Sundays- why are we pandering to this. There are no more excuses, I am getting to that end of my tether. If they think the great pep guardiola will get the donkey to drink water then they are completely stuck on cloud cuckoo land.
Blue1989
Gabeu, nice article as usual with strict improvement on the puntuactions, I am sure the english teachers in here would frown less, as per the " outlandish notion" when I said its likely that roman might have ordered nando to be played at all cost, the VC giants called me laughable when I mentioned it immediately after the swansea and shakter games. I hope it is as outlandish as I was addressed rather than what the implications might be if its true, so here is what I think might help us against juve. In my own opinion, I think our problem lies with our obvious formation, we are now like a team without any pattern, we play only one formation without any plan B, we are being fed our own poison by other teams, we handled barca thru counter attacks, we beated barca bcos they don't have a plan B, now we are falling into the same trap and we won't come out of it anytime soon except our coach does his home work well, we have been playing 4-2-3-1 without fail and using the same personnel, except the westbrom game, we lack a plan B, we lack diversity, we don't play a 4-4-2, nor a 4-3-3 which are both sucessful formations if we apply them carefully, we lack that element of suprise, we have been found out with that formation, rdm needs to overcome this rut before it overcomes him or he'll be out of his depths, what I can advice as a cfc fan is, drill the defenders, I won't mind if he dedicates the whole week plugging the defensive hole, and the whole of next week making strikers take finishing practice and shooting, then he can try a 4-3-3 formation or a 4-4-2 depending on his position, he is the one that has the coaching license and can do a better job than our opinion, play cech,cole,cahill,iva,cesar,mikel/rammy,oscar,mata,hazard,moses and sturridge against juve with mikel/rammy staying as a DM with instructions not to move forward, all he should be told to do is shield the back four and break up play, pass to mata or oscar to transit from defense to attack and hope for the best, that is our best deal for now in my own opinion, a 4-3-3 formation as I highlighted just now
Desmondadonis
I don't believe he's been forced to play Torr-Mented1 throughout because I'm pretty sure it's clear to the board the guy is past it...They could've instructed him to play the Torr-Mented1 as they were trying to build the team around him early in the season but now, I doubt that
@Mq
4-1-4-1 will ensure we remain defensively intact whilst having some attacking impetus. If you think we spent 80Mil+ for defensive garbage then you best leave with RDM GABEU (not a personal attack this 1) because let's be fair here, we have enough talent to ensure we are a balanced team, why must we be defensive now?? This is what I said was wrong with appointing a man who'd won playing garbage football, when "chips are down" he'll always resort to that because that's the only way he's won before. To effectively suggest that Chelsea become known as the defensive 'top' team in Europe is laughable, Roman might as well keep his money and we buy Stoke's players including Tony Pulis as Manager...We did not buy 80Mil+ of attacking talent to be "pragmatic" yes the team has to be balanced and yes we cannot lose to Juve BUT we definitely cannot sacrifice the attacking talent we have just for defensive garbage
@Mq
There are other ways to win without being defensive...There's always ways GABEU
@Mq
U must be on a cheap weed, are u sure u are not residing in jamaica where they get those cheap stuffs? A manager is thinking of ways to win and all u think of without using ur brain further is that he is going all defensive, when u stated in another article that he should ask his players to defend first. Stop taking ur daily fixings maybe u'll think more clearly and objectively!!!! Aissssh! Aigooo
Desmondadonis
@mq why do u have 2 b different all d time, it is evident dat if we play attacking football against juve we will lose, so what is bad in our coach wanting 2 avoid defeat by playing the way he knows best.
don delsy
What's so intoxicating about responding to a Manager who says "how we used to win games, and make sure first and foremost that we don`t concede."?? What's so "not using my brain" when RDM himself says we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive?? Not trying to be a nuisance but if you misinterpret this then you are either in denial or naive (no offense)
@Mq
Point #1 - We might have to go back to how we used to win games, and make sure first and foremost that we don`t concede...Point #2 - "Maybe it is a time when I have to change things in terms of selection and the way we play...Point #3 - Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive."...Point #4 - but we have players who have been through this before."....and after all these clear and salient points you say I must be on "cheap weed" DESMOND??
@Mq
all I'm saying is we have the personnel not to be defensive but to be balanced DON DELSY I don't agree with playing garbage football, and if you read RDM's comments in the media you can see he's basically suggesting we revert back to that old crap and that he'll sacrifice attacking to be more defensive, and that I don't agree with especially after SPENDING 80MIL+ on attacking players
@Mq
Point 1, did rdm use the exact word, I will use the same approach that won us the ucl last season? Did he? Did he mention dropping a particular player? When have u gone psychic to the point of knowing rdm will recall malouda and kalou, meireles and drogba with essien against juve? U just jumped off like a dude having premature ejaculation on his comments and act all knowing and benigning. Lord ur comment is premature and baseless.
Desmondadonis
Why don't u interprete it as I'll drop luiz and start iva, I'll bench hazard and use a more defensive moses who can track back and defend? Why not I'll drop underperforming torres? And start sturridge? Why not well I'll use a more defensive option that will balance up both the attack and defense by using a 4-3-2-1 formation? Why must u jump and act as if u know what tommorow will bring for cfc?
Desmondadonis
(Our back and front problem) we need a centeral defender who can partner cahil and tery so luiz will be moved up defensive midfiled to patner mikel (reason)? Every of his mistake at the defense cause our team a goal as obvious in our last macht chelsea vs westbrom first goal and many more. We need a goal score. Torres and sturredge i doubt them to deliver The goals as evedience all season.
obex
I don't get why you resort to name calling and insulting DESMOND because you'll see I did not do such when responding to you...
@Mq
nevertheless, to quote RDM directly he said "Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive." and if that is not clear to you, perhaps "We might have to go back to how we used to win games, and make sure first and foremost that we don`t concede" and clearly you'll see he's basically saying priority is defending. Ad the next point "change things in terms of selection and the way we play" and again I say, it's that already not self-interpreted then I say no more
@Mq
@mq if rdm were 2 use a defensive formation against westbrom, i wuld complain but dis is a juve team who if we lose against we are out of d competition so why shuld we play sexy football then lose when there are other alternatives.
don delsy
Lets face it, the only way the question of whether rdm is being forced into playing torres will be answered will be tomorrow night. if torres isnt starting then rdm is the man in charge, if he is playing then rdm is a puppet on a string.
Blue1989
nowhere did I hear about a change in personnel, I read about a change in formation and a change in philosophy DESMOND...and yeah I have an idea about CFC's tomorrow, and that's if RDM either reverts back to that defensive garbage or if he doesn't win a game in the next 4 games then he won't have a job by Jan,a little later than I'd predicted when the season started
@Mq
We've conceded goals predominantly from the wings, our RB and LB are too exposed as they venture too forward so to arrest that, they stick to defending and Hazard with Moses/Marin provides the width, occasionally coming in where necessary
@Mq
all I'm saying DON is that we don't have to play defensive, we can play balanced football. 4-1-4-1 with Azpi (RB) Iva (CB) Cahill (CB) Bertrand/ Cashley (LB) then Ramires (CDM) these don't venture beyond the halfway line except in the last 10 minutes when we need to win. Hazard plays LW (where he's thrived at Lille, Oscar (CM) with Mata (CM but slightly CAM) and Moses/ Marin (RW) then Sturridge at CF, is that no balanced attacking and defending??
@Mq
@mq, I didn't call u any name, u know I won't hide it if I deem it fit, so don't even waste ur time nitpicking my comments looking for insults, if I want to insult u, I won't lace it cowardly in my comment, and I just told u what I think first with my 4-3-3 formation and my break down of what I think ur comment implies, so u can correct me if I am wrong that u are praying for the gaffer to lose so pep can come.
Desmondadonis
@mq i believe dat formation on paper wuld b nice 2 implement, but i don't know about trying it against juve cos dats a must win game. I just hope God guides rdm in what 2 do.
don delsy
How are u sure he won't change personnel? how many of last season's defensive players are remaining? After dumping essien,kalou,malouda. Meireles and drogba? How can we bring them to play last seasons formation? How many players are defensively solid in our team now? So how can he revert to be all defensive? Aint that rather NAÏVE even for u?
Desmondadonis
thechels.net/2012/11/the-loan-report-november-12-18/ Loanees impress this week
Desmondadonis
do you think the club realises that they have egg on their face, weve left ourselves to exposed in terms of squad depth. we can have all the creativity in the world but when youve got no body to put the ball in the net it becomes an issue. the best way to recify the defensive problem is to have ivanovic and cahill in central defense, azpilicueta at RB and Cole at LB until terry returns, Luiz to rotate around that. i dont so much think its a froamtion problem but maybe rotation of the players within it.
Blue1989
thinkfootball.co.uk/?p=6363 it says it all, it says it all
Desmondadonis
...U just jumped off like a dude having premature ejaculation on his comments and act all knowing and benigning...what do you call this DESMOND??
@Mq
How are u sure he won't change personnel...I didn't say he'd retain the same personnel but quoted him saying "Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive." and him further saying "We might have to go back to how we used to win games, and make sure first and foremost that we don`t concede"...which is basically insinuating to a change in more than just personnel DESMOND or do you not understand that too??
@Mq
if these reports about the board ordering RDM to play torres is true, RDM should just go ahead and call their bluff. Let them sack him, he will go home very wealthy and with a CL medal to boot and i don't think it will be long before he picks up another job. The Board's insistence if true is absolute bull ***** and Torres should not start a game again except in the Carling cup or whatever name they call it now.
Dwonder
So when u saw what he wrote that he would play as we use to play and go back to basics, why say he is going all defensive and play crappy football as we did in the ucl? Ur comments on that are like a kid that sees a bee and starts crying without actually being stinged just becos u have seen the bee sting someone in ur presence in the past or having been stinged once made u have a phobia for it, didn't we win arsenal and tottenham game? Playing a balanced game? Surely westbrom wasn't as attacking as arsenal and tottenham are they? And with the first comment about premature ejaculation, that is just to discribe ur reaction, if I want to insult u, I'll call u names like being a****, harebrained foulmouthed blablabla, but I didn't, so don't take offense I was just describing ur reactions the way it was.
Desmondadonis
based on his performance vs West Brom I'd have to doubt that DWONDER because it's clear the guy can't cut it. He hardly did anything worthwhile
@Mq
describing my reactions DESMOND?? LoL keep doing that then, because whether or not I react like I'm ejaculating bottom line RDM looks like he's been found out, and instead of having a solid yet entertaining plan B he talking about reverting to old stuff...Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive...what does that statement mean DESMOND??
@Mq
And doesn't this mean priority defense...We might have to go back to how we used to win games, and make sure first and foremost that we don`t concede??...plz expound DESMOND
@Mq
I can now really see Torres being part of any deal we do for falcao. I have this inkling Torres wants to go home and it's just perfect for him right now as we want a Madrid player so he could potentially go back and be a hero again and reignite his career. I wouldn't be very surprised to see Torres and sturridge leave in January and falcao and say bony/remy come and we have a totally new striker force.
Dave-David
@mq, instead shooting off like a steamer, u ought to have calmly asked fans what they think b4 poisoning peeps in here with ur rapier like comment or should I say dooms day like comment? To interprete rdm's comment (I might not be right) it means, I'll work on our leaking defense harder than I have done before and make necessary sacrifices no matter who the person is, we might say luiz is more attacking than any of our cbs and I might say he means using a more defensive player than attacking in the mould of iva instead of luiz, it might mean, oh I don't want to concede in turin and when I don't concede it'll guarrantee my team a point which will still be good for qualifying and I'll try not to concede stupid goals against city too. How about that?
Desmondadonis
I agree with u dwonder, i dont even want to see torres play the carling cup. If i were in charge, i would banish him to the reserves. RDM should just do whatever he deems fit for the team. He knows the team better than the board and some idiotic fan on here who think he knows everything else better than anyone else. I wonder why he is not a football coach himself but an idiot who spends all time on the internet trying to prove to everyone how right he was all along to predict doom. Right now RDM got nothing to lose as the vultures are already circulating waiting for him to lose and be sack. I as a fan will always stand by ur decisions even when i dont agree with them. The truth of the torres threat will be out soon enough as nothing can be hidden forever and u will be justified. Pathetic cfc board and their lack of 100% trust and support for their managers. If they fail to stick with this guy this time around, be sure that not even the overated pep would do any better and they will live to regret it. Nonsense.
Chelz Akamz
>>>instead shooting off like a steamer...b4 poisoning peeps in here with ur rapier like comments<<<< STOP using rhetoric DESMOND it's embarrassing Geez. We already play with 6 defensive players (4 defenders and 2 pivot players) and 4 attacking players so for RDM to say "Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive" how many defensive players does he want in the squad, 7 or 8?? isn't that what we did last season??
@Mq
When Was the last Time Falcao Scored???
chuks09
I think RDM should change his Pattern..try another tactics.
chuks09
Against Osasuna.
KAKUfrank
won't mind any deal that gets torres out of my club in January... i will even applaud a swap with shane long now if possible. I mean what the hell is going on?!?!!??!?!? I have always been a torres apologist and would always talk about his overall game play and assists to buttress my point but he has now sunk into the ( low of lows). He did not even take a shot in anger throughout the 60 mins or thereabouts that he was on the pitch against westbrom.. absolutely pathetic and mind-bulging. didn't make any runs, not committed and generally listless.... Althetic would be blind to take this guy off our hands for falcao ( except they run a nursery school for egos over there). the most annoying thing is his reaction anytime he is subb off. always annoyed as if he deserve to be on the pitch. He is not an albatross for every coach we ve had since he was bought..... another shevcenko.
Dwonder
@mq, if a poll is updated u'll be rest assured u are the one embarrassing urself, u talk about 6 defensive players, rammy tackles well and he is part of the pivot, does that mean he is a defender? Why are u turning a blind eye to his attacking part of his game? Or to mikel's this season, they attack at the same time defend, u are making it sound as if they are CBs, its pathetic really.
Desmondadonis
what are you saying then DESMOND that Ramires is an attacking mid?? I didn't say he plays 6 defenders, I said he plays 6 DEFENSIVE players, big difference there lad. Perhaps you should just quit this debate because evidently you are not as knowledgeable as you think you are if you don't know the difference between a defender and a defensive player (defensive mid to be precise)
@Mq
as for the poll, do I look like the guy that is concerned with such??
@Mq
RDM is in a no win situation..the only way this ends well is if we beat Juve in Turin and play beautiful attacking football. If we win but score just by defending and hitting them on the counter he will still be roasted..if he dares keep torres on the bench and we lose he is done for..if he plays torres and we lose he is still done for. If we secure an ugly draw in Turin the drawn rapiers will still persist and the next inquest will be how we perform against City and Fulham which are two games that come in quick succession at the bridge. Anything less than 6 points secured from those two games may not be enough to save him. I can only voice my opinion..Chelsea FC is Roman's team..he is the one who has spent literally hundreds of Millions to turn her from a mid table team to a continental juggernaut...there are times i disagree bitterly with his methods but you cant argue with the results he has achieved thus far. I will just wait and see what happens in Turin tomorrow. As someone said eloquently if Torres starts then it is clear as day that RDM is essentially now in "puppet on strings mode".
GabeU
@mq, u need to quit the debate as u don't have any reasonable fact to back up ur skewed reasoning, u said 6 defensive players, u are emphasizing the defensive side of their game to suit ur rather pathetic points, why didn't u say we are ok with 4 defenders? Then u'll have aq point, but u. Keep dictating and highlighting points with no bases, are rammy and mikel defensive players alone? Are they there just for the sake of defending LAD?
Desmondadonis
Can we get that winning feeling back now...I'll be good, I swear...let us just win tomorrow in Turin and again at the Bridge against the defending Champs...please God, be a fan again please puhleez let my beloved blues.
Gian-Franco/Luca
Oh God can anyone help DESMOND I seem to be failing to explain myself to him. I said we play with 6 defensive players (4 defenders and 2 defensive mids) so for RDM to say "Maybe we sacrifice the attacking options to go a bit more defensive" seeing as we already have 4 attacking options, is he suggesting we reduce that number even further below 4 ( 3 or 2) and have more "defensive options"?? It's not me saying we drop players, it's RDM ffs
@Mq
Juve needs the win more than we do GABEU we are fine with a draw then we beat Nord, the only fear is that we'd qualify 2nd and expose ourselves to the potential of facing a "big" club. I'm not saying we play attacking "outright" but I'm not with the defensive "outright" too, a balanced formation but with players playing in their respective positions will do us fine. No RB or LB bombing forward, we can have Hazard (LW) and Moses (RW) providing the needed width, then Oscar and Mata playing off Sturridge (I hope). Yes we'd have 1 pivot player but seeing as our main problem is preventing crosses that lead to goals, perhaps with our RB and LB sticking to their respective positions we can negate that threat and with Moses & Hazard playing on the wings, we'll have the wings covered and have decent pace especially if you add Sturridge
@Mq
Surprised folks act like we don't know what's going on with Chelsea. Beating Juve and qualifying past the group stage doesn't save RDM his job. Winning a trophy does. I think the writings are on the wall already - we won't buy a striker in January; we will feck around till the last day of the transfer window. You'll hear of one rumour of Torres or Sturridge being loaned out on the last day of the transfer window and nothing will come out of that as usual. We'll rain abuses and insults on those 2 and then the abuses will turn to sack RDM. Last day of the league will come = we sack RDM (as far as we are top 4); Ron and Bruce will defend the decision to sack a Champions League winning coach with our number of trophies since Roman took over and announce our coaching search. The press will report our negotiations with Pep is ongoing with issues about salaries and "player selections" delaying the deal. In the meantime, Lampard and Cole's contract will not be renewed and the press will say Pep was the mastermind behind those 2 leaving. Chelsea fans will spend a few weeks and days arguing why Pep let them go. Pep will be hired. He will endear the press and the fans with his press conference. He will be asked about Torres and he will give a well worded answer that says nothing about Torres's future. We will splash big money on another forward. Essien will be sent to another club. 2 other midfielders will be bought. A left back will be bought and Torres will be loaned to Mars. Season starts and by November, sack Pep rumors will be circulating and then hire Mourinho chants will start.........YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KAKUfrank
Well I do fear from RDMs future I just wish our guys would turn up and play for their coach instead of playing for themselves. I also think if we don't get our act together in the festive period I think RA will pull the trigger on RDM don't want that to happen but it will.
Elbowz
@KAKU..i enjoyed your post so much..it made me both laugh and cry because there is so much truth in it..BTW @mq i actually agree with most of what you said in your last post but the problem as KAKU has articulated is that even if RDM does exactly what you said and we secure a draw at Turin though that will be sufficient to probably see us through to the group stages i dont think it will save his job. The only way RDM can regain his position, voice and respect with the players and some semblance of authority with the board is to bench torres tomorrow (consequences and board views be damned) then hope the team he puts out there beats juve while playing scintillating all out attacking football. Even a win got by hitting juve on the counter while bunkering down defensively i dont think will satisfy the sharks who never really wanted RDM in the first place. This smacks of the old saying" If you want to hang a dog first give it a bad name". Beating juve is hard enough as it is (only 2 teams have done since the start of last years season..Napoli in the italian super cup and Inter recently)..beating them "in style" when we dont have the quality nor resources of Barca, Bayern or Real is virtually mission impossible and that seems to be the task RDM has been set..with the added impediment of doing it with Torres in the starting line up..RDM will need another Mosaic miracle to pull this of.
GabeU
The dressing room is in a melt down situation already. Neil Ashton just confirmed they were arguments in the dressing room. A player said: 'rubbish - and you all know it'. Another said: Other comments that were overheard included the barb: 'Call yourself Champions League winners?' We've had these dressing room burst ups in the past and the only way to turn them around was winning of which those winnings came through Didier Drogba. The miracle of which we spoke of were Drogba's goals from anywhere. Drogba is gone. I wonder where this miracle will come from.
KAKUfrank
Kaku just summed it up nicely, and @mq, is actually on the receiving end of that mostly, I recollect last season when u are saying we can't beat barca, that we'll be embarassed at the nou camp, we scaled that, u said we cannot beat bayern at their home turf and u were so animated about it, u said mikel would be owned in the midfield which led to our famous bet which kumar and blueabs can attest to, on the day of the final u yapped about torres being the saviour and not giving game time, that rdm prefer defensive drogba to ur tormentor, u also said he lacks service that he is a better CF that only attack and attack that he gave us the ticket to the allianz arena, and he won the corner that gave us the trophy, u argued about pep being made the coach rather than defensive rdm, u abused me a lot on that an clueless when I wrote an article, u argues about lucas moura being roman's choice and I said I am 100% sure he won't be bought, u laughed in derison, u argued and pasted links that hulk is a done deal over moses and u abused me when I said he is rdm's personal buy that we'll get him, u argued that we'll never play attacking football under rdm, we have done that so far till now this season, with all this carefully picked points of mine, why won't u stop arguing with me and learn? Just give me the benefit of doubt once that this coach won't play crappy football against juve, that he might suprise us all and go grab 3 points there? Why won't u keep faith in this man for once? Like someone told me once, he said I cannot be loyal to cfc as robbie was or love cfc as robbie did, so stop this argument that its for the better and good image of cfc, I admit the man is highly inexperienced, but he aint a bad coach and if not for our misfiring striker who u have so much faith in before it was too late to see the truth, u'll be mentioning rdm names with reverence by now
Desmondadonis
The Board and Owner didn't want him here in the first place. Their hands were tied because he was successful with the trophies. Buying him a world class striker like Falcao will at least guarantee he wins at least the FA Cup (if we are still in it) by the time Falcao gets here. Even winning the FA Cup may not guarantee his job for next season. Talk about setting up to fail. Not buying him any reinforcements in January in the striking position will get him fired before the season is over. If Ancelotti, AVB, Del Bosque and RDM can't get Torres scoring, why will Pep? Sturridge may chip in a few, but he is not enough either. We could talk about the tactics as much as we want and system and draw up all the formations we want to draw up, but our forwards aren't scoring enough which is the simple case and changing of coaches doesn't solve that.....
KAKUfrank
Sorry about the typo, @gabeu, u made some impressive points there worth noting but I tend to disagree, this is a guy that won the ucl from an impossible position, rdm if he gets his game plan right will atleast nick a point there, juve are a good side but they are not invisible, the same stupid error cost us all 3 points when we played and owned them at the bridge, I am of a mind that if he selects his players without pressure and any interference, we'll beat this guys 2-1 again in turin, we can do it and we'll still play good footy, what he needs to work on is the way we misplace passes and how we turn our back on attacking players from opponents, we should press this guys relentlessly and it will ruin their gameplan, we cam win this and by God we'll win it, I can just imagine what the comment section would look like if we lost this game and I pray we win, but truth be told our away record in italy is crap, roma 4-1 or is it 3-1? Napoli 3-1 its only juve that I think we beated 2-1 in turin once, someone correct me if I am wrong.
Desmondadonis
If its true the board makes certain decisions regarding team selection,then managing cfc must be very hard and that may explain why we've had too many managers for past 10yrs.the question then is whether (if rdm is sacked) pep if appointed will see his contract through.
blue5
Turkish referee Cuneyt Cakir will take charge of the Juventus v Chelsea Champions League clash tomorrow in Turin. Remember him? #CFC" Chelsea have W1 D1 when Cuneyt Cakir has officiated their Champions League games in the past. Most recent one was the 2-2 draw v Barca. #CFC"
Desmondadonis
A very good question blue5, we all saw what happened with the kid from porto, who most people thought will be the real deal, but unfortunately he became the poorest manager in chelsea history (under roman), scolari was a world cup winning coach too, respected ny all for his attack attack philosophy, he didn't make it either, all I can do for rdm now is pray and pray hard that he gets that elusive balance, if he doesn't then we are in for a very nervy season.
Desmondadonis
Frankly, bigger than our striker problem is our inability to prevent goals/keep clean sheets/defend. I wouldn't be surprised if THAT is what RDM was *****ed off and ranted about more than anything else! He had a right to be if that was the case in the dressing room. I hope Luiz got the brunt of the rant and the feckin' message!
Squig
If RDM is being TOLD or INSTRUCTED to play Torres, then there is something seriously wrong with the club!!!
Tiraspol
@mq, try and read this article, it seem as if a juve player know more about ur team than u. It put to bed ur pointless argument so far www.itv.com/sport/football/article/2012-11-19/juve-duo-back-di-matteo/ Marchisio says he doesn't see us doing any thing than attacking.
Desmondadonis
chelsea should go with chech cezar iva cahill cole rami luiz mikel romeu ryan torres.....if he wanna win in juventus....with a striker of torres caliber and the creativity of mikel rami ryan....chelsea will definetly create lot of oppurtunity and score goals also and with lot of defending players we wont let them score also...
shlok27
@desmond, we drew with juve 2:2 at turin on our last meeting
prince china
lmaoooo @ shlok.
KAKUfrank
do you even know what you disagreed with me on DESMOND?? Your entire "rant" about what I've said that's come wrong is laughable, that wasn't even part of the 'debate' to start with. Go back and read my 1st post where we began disagreeing and save yourself the embarrassment lad, you clearly had no response to what I was saying so you changed topics *smh*
@Mq
btw I DID NOT call for RDM to be sacked, I'm mad @ his 'intimating' that we'd b e reverting to that crap. It's not the only way to success
@Mq
@prince china thank u for reminding me, I guess drogba's free kick that scored but wasn't given as a goal made me believe we won, can u remember it? Its gonna be tough to win, but we'll win
Desmondadonis
i saw 3 major problems over the last 3 weeks and the first two is the positioning of Luiz and Bertrand along with Luiz deciding it is not wise to make himself big for crosses by hiding his hand behind his back. Ashley will probably play tomorrow with Iva as right back. The third problem is Torres at present his body language is way off so Danny should get the start after the way he linked with Mata. Furthermore I was never in favour of RDM but ill be damned if I wont support him. Cole is out and we don't win so what does that say about Bertrand? @MQ football has almost turned into a game for girls please do not help chatting about football go the same way ;) Perhaps broader shoulders are needed?
unclezillion
@prince china thank u for reminding me, I guess drogba's free kick that scored but wasn't given as a goal made me believe we won, can u remember it? Its gonna be tough to win, but we'll win
Desmondadonis
Its always nice to read your article Gabeu! Juventus is tricky game and RDM knows it. We have to be really good in defense cause they like to play the counter-attacking football. His job is on the line cause of player who thinks that he is number one priority in this club. I'm sure the board know that they can not rely on Torres anymore and that's what I think they told RDM to talk to players about our situation. Y'all remember what Torres spoke about our beloved club last year when he wasn't scoring, he blamed old guards. What now? We did what he wanted and he still ain't scoring. He admitted himself that he wasn't happy when we were wining games last year cause he wasn't playing. He plays and he can't score!! I don't think Pep is an answer for our loses. Its player who is not dedicated to our club. He has to love our club and clean his mind if he wants to score. DD loved our club, Lamps loves it, JT loves it and list goes on and on... Our board know we need another striker who can play like our all forwards we used to have. Torres is not dedicated to our club. We like fans have to support RDM cause he deserves it. He loves our club cause he's just one of us. He's see Torres is not that forward we can be rely on in bad situations like we used to when DD was playing and y'all know it. I wish RDM and players all the best whatever decision that they r gonna make for tmrws game.
Prettyguy
This is what RDM said : If I believe it is the right thing to do for the team, then yeah, I will leave him out," Di Matteo said. "When we moved Daniel Sturridge up there, he looked a danger. He had a very good chance saved by the keeper and another put wide. He was always a threat to the defence. We need to score goals, this is clear."
Prettyguy
Laughing out loud @unclezillions comment. @mq, u keep making a fool out of urself and u are laughable, so I'll just do what nely did when he was tired of ur moanings, he stopped arguing with u, which is what I'll be doing most times when u keep this stupidity up, I disagreed with ur 2nd comment not u first, are u getting blind? I said 1, we don't have the personnel to play ur touted garbbage football*, 2, I also told u that ur argument is premature as u have no incline of what his lineup will be like as much as u rant in here u can't predict his starting 11 tommorow and u know it, so why keep behaving like a spoilt ninny?
Desmondadonis
This is how AVB's final days began, The "routine" visit from Roman, backstabbing players now all thats left is for Ron or Bruce to give RDM the dreaded "the board is behind you" then he is finished. I would not mind an ugly 0-0 in Turin hell he can start all four of our Full Backs if that will get us the result.
Anarchy
you guys are forgetting the actual cause for concern , We rely to hard on hazard oscar and mata , when they dont deliver , we're left stranded , we rely heavily on torres but sturridge is PROBABLY strarting against juve and I expect him to score , he oozes confidence
CFCTalal
@Mq, I do support the 4141 formation since the current set up we hardly ever win second ball from midfield. This may speed up our attack.
shaka09
I would have been more concerned if, instead of "inquests" or "handbags" after the West Brom match, the players would have been congratulating each other and trying to decide which club to go to later.... WAKE UP AND GET MAD!
BlueCowboy
hope we win 2mr
habbo
hope we win 2mr
habbo
Mark Hughes has been sacked.
KAKUfrank
torres finished
habbo
These two children back biting at one another is really annoying.
THEBREEZE
Torres was finished when we bought him a year ago.
Elbowz
unconfirmed though
KAKUfrank
The Chelsea team today is not as good as the ones between 2004-11 which consistently finished 1st or 2nd in the league and nearly always got to CL semi-finals. However, all we need is a decent striker and we will comfortably finish 3rd which would allows us to build next year to really challenge on all fronts again. The problem is without a lethal finisher we could slip out of the top 4 and with no Drogba to perform miracles in Europe, we might not be in the Champions League next season which makes it harder to sign top strikers. When Torres won that Golden Boot at the Euros Chelsea should have been hawking him around Europe because everyone at Chelsea - staff and supporters - all new it was a complete fluke. To think it was Roman's money that paid for Luiz Suarez!
CobhamBlue
If not for always controversial fans who love the attention, I am sure most fans will be more optimistic about tommorow's game, I can imagine how fans would feel like coming in here to read news and debate on the juve game and an overgrown kid typing furiously on his phone or computer saying he is sure we are going to play boring and defensive football, a juve player who haven't been watching chelsea all season even attest to the fact that he can't see us playing defensively and commented on the type of players we have to emphasize his points, same thing with what I said earlier, shows how uneducated some fans are on football.
Desmondadonis
Mq still at it...Jeez,dude give it a rest mate...after reading GabeU's article I would think u would understand what going back to basics means. @GabeU. Well there was most definitely arguments in the dressing room after the W.Brom game,it was confirmed last night. It obviously happens in most big clubs,it was also confirmed most of the rants was from Robbie,who also said 'you call yourselves Champions of Europe'...As much as we know how things run in the Club I doubt its as bad as you put it...Forced to play Torres? I seriously doubt that.
nelyvanile
@nelyvanile, I am sure roman won't want to hear of it after torres taking to the media in recent times, and due to his wage bill and transfer fee, its feasible, remember sheva?
Desmondadonis
I've had the same fears that playing Torres is something that Roman has influenced Robie to do more often than he would choose and that is just not letting the man do his Job. Can't be sure but its a feeling I get, lets hope whoever plays we get a result tomorrow and Robbie keeps us in all the competitions making it difficult for Roman to sack him...a bit of luc and Mancini will come unstuck at City and they'll get Guardiola...maybe then Robbie will be safe for a while.
chipthechap
@@Mq(...), would you shut your yap you whiny prat. For months you have been belaboring your retarded point about Robbie playing "garbage football" last year. WHAT ELSE DID YOU WANT HIM TO DO WITH THE PLAYERS AT HIS DISPOSAL? Let me ask you a question you petulant ingrate and don't bother answering b/c I could give a shet less about what you have to say, this is merely an exercise to show fellow (loyal) VC members what a dumbass you are; would you PREFER Robbie to play free-flowing, attacking football at the expense of finishing 7th or 8th in the table last year and crashing out of the tournament which was our ONLY lifeline to CL football??? Which, mind you, would have DIRE financial consequences in the forthcoming years....... He recognized the strengths of the squad last year and squeezed every last ounce out of the as you call "garbage football." If we didn't revert to "garbage football," how the hell were we going to beat Barça and Bayern?? Your love affair with your own agenda on how CFC should have played last year under Robbie SHOWS EVERYONE where your loyalty lies; and it's not with CFC, it's with your own deluded self-absorbed self. If I met you in person I would be hard pressed not to punch you in the teeth, and I am sure A LOT of people in here feel the same way. My last name is Torrealba, I expect you to refer to me as Torr-rential because I am sure you are innately aware (as you know most things, >.>) that I grew up in a city that is frequently affected by heavy rainfall. Muppet. I'm out.
ForeverChels
@foreverchels take it easy bro ..
Don capon
I believe that we just need a plan B. When plan A doesnt work, revert to plan B and that will solve a lot of problems.
bleedblueSTL
forever chels it rains everywhere in england mate haha
CFCTalal
Call me a dreamer, but I think RDM has been in worse predicaments than this - to take a unmotivated and lack of creative team against Barca and Bayern. I know we don't have Didier, but I actually believe that RDM can pull it off. Let's have some belief in RDM and Chelsea!
ddrogba
@ddrogba - I agree mate!
BlueKiwi
@Mq, i agree with most of what you're saying i.e no defending! i mean the reason i personally started supporting chelsea is because of the attacking football chelsea used to play in the late 90's with the likes of zola, and now that the club is moving in that direction it will be a shame if we went back to the morinho blue print.
pego sama
Lets keep our fingers crossed people, it's a bit too early to begin to make negative projections. Tho, things have been working like we'll all wanted, but life is like that, things do not always run a smooth course. Anyone who wants RDM out of the club, should as be ready to br heart-broken, because he's going no where.
objectivekritic
wow @foreverchels that was a bit strong! leave the lad alone & accept he has a thin skin!
unclezillion
ForeverChels....let it all out....let it all out...
lamarochs
@ForeverChels maybe you should have a word with Torres and Luiz...
BlueCowboy
@Foreverchels, such anger! Pheeew!! Leave the lad alone, he is getting what he wants in the first place ATTENTION!!! I'll take any form of winning today over a lose, yes I said that, beat juve 2-0 or 2-1 in any form will assure us of progress, so I won't mind.
Desmondadonis
True, we are trying to get away from the Mourinho blueprint - evidenced by our acquisition of more technical not bulldozer type players - yet, I don't think for one second anyone thought the transition this season was going to be streamlined. Everyone loves attacking football, who doesn't? But, until we get to that level of proficiency w/out bleeding in goals left and right I am OK with going back to that basics irrespective of the 80 million spent on attacking talent b/c I know Robbie in true faith is trying to integrate the attacking concept into our play. It'll take time to get everyone clicking into gear to play that way, have faith, it WILL happen.
ForeverChels
@BlueCowboy, I think that would just fracture his fragile confidence even more re Torres. I don't know what will get him firing again, such an enigma. As for Luiz, who tf knows..
ForeverChels
Foreverchels spot on mate.you just spoke my mind exactly..tired of one particular idiot always puking here with his rubbish and negativity.We've not even seen the line up against juve and someone has already prophesied doom;because of his personal Vendata with Rdm.no doubt rdm has his flaws but the guy deserves the benefit of the doubt..i mean we are 3rd in the league 4points behind the leaders,in the carling cup quarter final,stil in FA cup which is yet to begin and stil presently top of our champions league group.i mean seriously tell me which other club english club is doing well than us? Man.city are out of the carling cup and might probably be out of the Cl too.man.u are already out of the carling cup.WE STILL IN ALL THIS COMPETITION FFS! Don't forget the club world cup also.so why the rush huh? One step at a time people! And feck guardiola! Rdm is our own legend.i'd criticize rdm constructively when we lose but i refuse to criticize him for a game has not even played..GET REAL!
Krested Kal-el
^ well said m8
ForeverChels
*we have not even played*
Krested Kal-el
After reading everyone's comments and taking into account the defensive aspect, without stifling our fantastic attacking talent, i think few would disagree with the following starting 11 in today's final(make no mistake it is a final) in the usual 4-2-3-1 formation: GK. Cech, Defense: cahill,ivanovic,azpilicueta,cole(if available) Pivot:Ramiries,David Luiz(we need his energy, pace, set piece capabilties and him defending from here will lessen the chances of us being caught out, and i've always said and thought his better at this position anyway) Attacking Mid: MATA,HARZARD,OSCAR. STRIKER: DANNY BOY(Because his better than NANDO at the moment)___I honestly cant see any better starting lineup to keep the attacking talent for consistancy sake, and to address our defensive vulnerabilities; that's why i would have luiz at DM and Sturige has our striker.. hope RDM comes up with this, though i doubt his this clever or brave!
pego sama
So now a defender holding his hands behind his back to prevent giving away penalties is wrong?
foreign_viewer
Well said krested kal-el, well said.... I mean seriously how can a chelsea fan complain and prophesy rubbish before a game that was 2 days away? footballblog.co.uk/real-reasons-fernando-torres-struggling.html
Desmondadonis
I thought you'd decided to "ignore" me DESMOND so why you still mentioning me?? LoL let it go dude, you lost that debate already
@Mq
Juve are an organised team who shoot on sight. They fire in from long range, pinching the ball off the opposition and relying on the striking instincts of Fabio Quagliarella and Mirko Vucinic to feed off the scraps. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2235504/Will-Fernando-Torres-play-Chelsea-v-Juventus.html#ixzz2CkFDU05v.....................apart from Oscar and Sturridge I hardly seen any of our players attempt to take long range shots especially against "deep sitting" defenses
@Mq
It's obvious what MQ is doing, he has put out HIS team to correct our current wrongs. Anything from now that Robbie doesn't comply with HIS way of thinking will be open to HIS particular tripe and rubbish. And his vendetta against Robbie will continue no matter what, it just varies according to results.
BlueABS
@foreign_viewer, i know you like Mikel but that aside, i know for a fact that just like in the first game, he'll be chasing shadows and that will coat us.(you probably feel that deep down too) I thought about romeu but i douht he'll do any better than Mikel especially if you look at his lack of match practice, so the only safe choice is Luiz, if you think about it without any bias or prejudice. Its a quick fix but i strongly feel him and ramiries will match the pace and power of Assamosh and vidal. besides from the comments ive seen the common factor everyone is talking about is seeing a change in our defensive work and our striking position, so though seemingly a quick fix; sturige and luiz are the perfect answer for that need if you carefully look at our options in the team.
pego sama
I also observed oscar when he came on at CM against west brom and well he might have gone in for a challenge or 2 and passed the ball well, he was understandably caught out(cause its not his natural position) at least on 2 occasions against morison or mulumdu, remember the through ball that almost gave Long that one on one, but fortunatly for us was ruled out for off side ? what am trying to say is we shouldd trust luiz would do better their!
pego sama
@pego sama, how about luiz agressiveness making him get red carded? How about him going forward and exposing the defenders? Don't worry, u'll know mikel's worth by january, I just hope we don't have tough games throughout his absence. Enough said.
Desmondadonis
If the famous 4-2-3-1 is not working, we will have to change regardless of the game we will be playing
Kendemsblue
pego sama, Mikel is an "untouchable" like Cech. Accept it.
foreign_viewer
David Luis over Mikel? Are you arsene wenger in disguise or what? You wanna gamble this match? Jeeeeez! Thank Godness you are not the coach..aint a big fan of mikel but what has the guy done to deserve such hatred? Is it because of the the goal he caused against liverpool last season or his inability to score? I mean i dont understand.
Krested Kal-el
Give it a break BLUEABS stop with the personal rhetoric about me, it's pathetic (no offense) if you have something to disagree with me on do so without making personal inferences, you sound desperately embarrassing
@Mq
So now a defender holding his hands behind his back to prevent giving away penalties is wrong? foreign_viewer out side the box absolutely!!! even inside the box there is a fair argument for making yourself as big as possible to hinder the opponents ability to cross or shoot.
unclezillion
I've written 3 articles about Luiz not being a "top team" CB and have been roundly criticized by the same people who now see his flaws. This isn't the game to experiment, neither is the Man$hitty game but thereafter he should be tried in pivot especially in the Carling Cup, we still have to play him and we cannot continuously be dropping him here and there when he gets caught out, he has a 5 year contract after all...are we really going to waste his attacking talent too when we can try him in a position that somewhat suits his characteristics??
@Mq
Desmond..Luiz has never been sent off for us.
CalculatedKalou
So many fools in here that knows nothing about football thinking it's as simple as make believe video games, complaining about what has not even happened. I only blame you guys that are arguing with such idiots.
sojofjand
Which team on earth plays 4-1-4-1, except on play station, shows how astute and knowledgeable about real football (not video game) some people are.
sojofjand
Good article, I agreed to disagree. Every Chelsea fans know what the owns want good football there is no secret about it. Last year everyone agreed parking the bus against the Barca and Bayer was the best option considering the players we got. The owners has responded with close to £100 million to change that and all the coach want now is to go back to that. He can only do that to his detriment. The best form of defence is to attack and keep the ball with the talent we have that shouldn't be a problem. The team is struggling when we don't have the ball. That is where the coach is getting 3 from me. He need to work on getting ball back as quick as possible like the famous Barca 6sec rule.
jollyheart Torres
we dont have to scrap the way we are playing...we need to instruct just 4 people to stay in position...the back 4....i dont want the back 4 to crss the half line today...let the frt 6 attack (including mikel)...mikel, ramires has lot of running too do today....the duo has to support the attack and also provide the shieeld for the back 4...if the back 4 stay at halfline, i think juventus will not be scoring anything...we can ensure a draw...
Blu_run
i still rate Luiz has a fine ball playing defender...only that he needs a proper, commanding partner besides him...most of the time, he is getting dragged out of position due to bad positioning of his partners and finally gets blamed...if barca were so interested in signing him, then there is a gr8 potential that he suits their system...if we are gonna follow them, retain him and just ask him to stay in line with others...its is discipline problem not the quality problem...the manager & coaches shd help luiz in this issue....dropping him is a short term solution...
Blu_run
LoL because you and your Manager cannot innovate doesn't mean something cannot be done....I pity creative-lacking cowards, they'll always criticize without something better to say/ suggest
@Mq
I always wait for GabeU's Dark clouds article. lol. @Mq, you are right about Luiz, IMO he will play better for a team like Barca because they always/in most cases score more goals then the opposition. We need a proper CB who knows only one thing i.e. how to defend/good in the air "we don't want him to take the ball forward or score from free kicks we have enough quality in the midfield to do that job. I always thought our striker position is the main issue but from recent weeks it is the CB position as I am old skool and of the opinion that you build success from the defence.
B2K420
...i dont want the back 4 to crss the half line today...basically what I've been saying BLU_RUN because that's the only we can try negate counter attacking from the flanks, where most of the goals we've conceded have been assisted from. The problem isn't so much the middle but the marking/ preventing crosses (air or ground) from the flanks, till we sort that out we'll always have trouble defensively
@Mq
So Luiz should hold his hands in the penalty box. Football rules have changed. I didn't know.
foreign_viewer
I'v never seen a fan so obsessed with its manager's downfall.what a shame.*smdh!*@mq..silvio berluscuni backed allegri even when results were going bad.sheik mansour came out publicly last season to praise mancini and his players not even knowing city would go ahead to win the league..mourinho was having troubles in real madrid;there were even calls for him to be sacked but what happened? Florentino perez came out and backed him.i mean this are all big clubs aint they?...what's wrong if One of Buck or Ron gourlay comes out and calm the storm over Rdm head huh?
Krested Kal-el
its only here on vc dat u can b assured dat any time u log in 2 view people's comment, they are always quarelling. Wtf are u kids, can't u all agree 4 once. Even if u can't agree on d same points, state urs, argue on another's but dont take it personal 4 christ sake.
don delsy
News breaking- Say Sturridge might be injured,still unconfirmed.
nelyvanile
Goodness me KRESTED can you refrain from discussing me henceforth. You clearly have no idea what or whence my criticism is derived from
@Mq
November blues this time are different and it is very very important for everyone to note that. This is a totally different team with different players. Whatever ageing ussues that were present in the previous teams should really not be seen with the new crop. Therefore blanketing previous blues with current one is wrong. Thing is at this point in time....coaches, scouts have enough game film to formulate strategies against us. Clark did his job very well and it showed out there. Really showed. RDM chose a formation that was just a fade. Even Leow is finding it hard with it. Once teams catch up with you......you have to change or you sink. By now RDM should have changed a few things. Cole and Iva are struggling how we play them. I am sure its fun going forward but how many times are we seeing Cole chase players? Ryan cant even catch up so why go forward? Only do so when sure and when there is cover. Ivanovic complained that it was like a highway because noone is playing in front of him. Time to start doing some real coaching not Carlo's auto pilot again.
OCBlues
Neil Ashton reporting that Torres has been dropped and Hazard will play up front.
nelyvanile
Hazard over Sturridge?? If Sturridge isn't injured why not him?? *smh*
@Mq
@Mq...Reports saying sturridge picked up an hamstring injury in training yesterday. Its all rumours for now till we see the line up,and Official club statement.
nelyvanile
I hope not NELY, I really hope not because I have doubts about Hazard playing in the middle, he's thrived at Lille playing on the flanks and has more pace-induced dribbling than "play making" abilities so I don't think he'd do good in the middle...then again, that's just me
@Mq
According to Neil Ashton we will line up in a 4-2-3-1. Cech; Cole, Luiz, Cahill, Ivanovic; Mikel, Ramires; Mata, Oscar, Azpilicueta; Hazard. Azpi playing on the wings as cover.
nelyvanile
Just to clarify,Neil Ashton reports n writes for dailymail and is the few on there that reports bull *****, but i still don't believe d line up until I see the official one. Dailymail is dailymail...full of *****.
nelyvanile
Azpi playing at RW, What happened to Moses?? Hope Neil isn't as you say DM is garbage, but if he is then....*tbc*
@Mq
I just want to say that I support rdm regardless win/lose against juve. Torres is a bust and I am not going to hold him accountable for Torres. This is a team in transition and Chelsea will have a new cf soon enough. We all know it. So, let's all understand the process and the process takes time.
lamarochs
Neil Ashton claiming Torres will be dropped with Hazard in false 9. RDM might also play Azpilicueta in front of Ivanovic on the right. I don't know man, BUT THAT'S TOO DEFENSIVE IF TRUE. RDM better be careful.
KAKUfrank
is it true, Hazard playing as false 9. However, i will welcome such formation and tactics. Asamoah is a big danger in right. so we need extra protection.
kunthechelseafan
So it's Cech, Ivanovic, Cahill, Luiz, Bertrand, Mikel, Romeu, Azpi, Mata, Ramires, Hazard? If Cole were available then he would play in place of Hazard for an odd line up.
foreign_viewer
Mate, I am not worried for being it defensive. But my only concern is that we haven't tried the formation before. Any lack of communication between the wingbacks and centre halfs can cause casualty as we have seen the problem with City. we just can't afford to lose. Mata in right, oscar in left and hazard in the centre. Not sure who will score the goal if we concede early. I am very anxious.
kunthechelseafan
Brave move KAKU if thats true.Tight defence will win you big games.
cfc250
Tight defense. Why can't he organize the back 4? Where does he expect the attacking options to come from with a front four of Bertrand, Hazard, Oscar/Mata and Azpilicueta? If we concede 1 or 2 goals, who will score for us? I think he is just going for the draw.....but it is a risky one......
KAKUfrank
Total defense. 9-1 Formation. Will Juve fall for it like Barca and Bayern?
foreign_viewer
Why the Roman Emperor can't leave Pep Guardiola alone. #CFC #FCB #MCFC #MUFC In a newly published biography of Pep Guardiola, the Spanish football journalist Guillem Balague spends a surprising amount of time writing about Roman Abramovich. The Russian billionaire's obsession with all things Barcelona is no secret; the details of his attempts to install the Catalan club's most successful coach at Stamford Bridge are worth acquiring the book for. Balague describes salary proposals "growing with each attempt: €10 million (Dh46.9m) a year, €13m, even €15m according to certain sources" littering Guardiola's last three seasons at Camp Nou. He tells of an invite after the 2011 sacking of Carlo Ancelotti to be picked up by private helicopter and holiday on one of Abramovich's fleet of yachts. ("Stop telling me these things. I don't want to meet Roman or I might have my head turned by him," is Guardiola's response.) And he catalogues Abramovich's two attempts to land Guardiola earlier this year. The first involved Rafa Benitez taking on a three-month contract as the replacement for Andre Villas-Boas before handing over to Guardiola. The second, "proposed the appointment of an interim manager for one season to leave the Stamford Bridge door open for Pep a year later, wanting him to design the squad for the 2013/14 season as soon as he was ready". http://sulia.com/channel/uefa-champions-league-2012/f/144a9438-66e2-4430-a8ee-92202b3771b0/?source=twitter. RDM might just as well pack his bags. Pretty clear he is warming the seats for Pep.
KAKUfrank
It's just speculation which more often than not turns out to be false, no need to start over reacting.
CalculatedKalou
Juve are prone to counter attacks,especially if they come from the wings...Inter killed them on the counter,Genoa did the same and several of their opponents. We will sit deep and play fast counter attacking football,all this depends on if the line up is true. Besides who's the numpty who revealed the line up if true. Its supposed to come as a surprise to juventus technical staff.
nelyvanile
People should remember Neil Ashton broke the news about Essien doing his knees last summer; Bertrand starting in the CL final; and the dress room row on Saturday. Daily Mail make talk some nonsense, but Neil knows his stuff when it comes to Chelsea. The BIG DADDIES like merlin and mutters can attest to this.
KAKUfrank
Nely, could be a bluff? Or even a double bluff!
CalculatedKalou
may*
KAKUfrank
Crying over the unseen and unknown, God help CFC. Sigh!
sojofjand
BIG DADDIES? Hahahahaha...Kaku ure one crazy dude.
nelyvanile
Just been surfing the net and according to some papers this is our licked starting 11-GK: cech; DM: iva,luiz,cahill,cole ; CM: ramiries, mikel ; AM: mata, oscar, azpelicueta; ST: harzard - seems this is the best RDM has got, really hope and wish his got it right this time!!
pego sama
Just been surfing the net and according to some papers this is our licked starting 11-GK: cech; DF: iva,luiz,cahill,cole ; CM: ramiries, mikel ; AM: mata, oscar, azpelicueta; ST: harzard - seems this is the best RDM has got, really hope and wish his got it right this time!!
pego sama
For me tonight is a VERY worrying match. If we lose then expect huge pressure on RdM. I personally think the only possibility that RdM had to keep his job was if he could win the EPL or retain the ECL. Let's face facts here.... The premier league is still a huge doubt and we haven't exactly been convincing in our performances (thankfully neither have either of the other two top teams). I said at the start of the year that we'd get third and I stand by that prediction. Champ League I was hoping to qualify and maybe go out in the quarters depending on the run. Now I'm just not so sure. Away vs Juve is a HUGE task to win. We have no solid striker and a patchy defence without JT or Cole at full fitness. If it was me picking the team tonight then I'd go ultra defensive with some firepower still available. Cech-Azpi-Ivan-Cahill-Cole-Mikel-Luiz-Ramires-Mata-Moses-Hazard. Let the 3 front men rotate around with Luiz and Ramires bursting forward on counters. Mikel sits solid infront of the defence, partnered by Luiz when they are pressing against us. How would I have loved to have Lukaku home for this one to bully the Juve back line, but with Torres looking worse and worse and Sturridge average at best we don't really have a lot of options without a miraculous ECL debut by someone like Bamford; which is simply not going to happen.
Bizarre_Blue
"licked" lol.
foreign_viewer
If this line up is the correct one i can understand it..many here wont like it but i understand..if infact Danny is injured then it again reiterates what i had been crying about that a team our size and ambitions needs to always have 3 strikers on the books..playing a false 9 in a game of this magnitude does not fill me with confidence..we are in this mess where we cant even field one bonafide striker because of poor decision making in the summer. We need to pray..Juve need to win..they will come at us..we will need to play the counter attacking game per excellence and defend like tested warriors with supreme concentration and doggedness..the battle lines are drawn.
GabeU
@Kaku.....apparently your boy Emanolo and Vilanova are actually very good friends. There is something Emanolo is supposed to have alluded to recently about several connections/links that exist between top heirarchy at Chelsea and Pep/Vilanova. I therefore think Pep coming in or not was always in the works regardless of how RDM did. However RDM is failing to make his own case but thats on him.
OCBlues
I just realized that RDM has no plan B
Kendemsblue
When you have it all and you do not use it effectively, you will cry alone
Kendemsblue
And the cry starts after the sack
Kendemsblue
 

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