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Date:Sunday December 9 2012
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That open letter
I will make this as short as possible. Just yesterday Rafa Benitez recorded his first BPL win for us against Sunderland. It was a big moment for him as regards his time with Chelsea and apparently shortly after the game Rafa penned an open letter to the fans of Chelsea. I have provided a URL link to it here;
http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/rafael-benitez-makes-chelsea-pledge%2C-writes-open-letter-120912
Every one can take a read and see what they think. When I heard that Rafa had penned a letter I thought the man is a genius ..here is a chance to bring the blue nation together using the "warm fuzzy " feelings that always follow a win but having read the letter I was sorely disappointed.
Those who remember when AVB was sacked remember the first comments RDM made..they were conciliatory and he gave a positive shout out to his former boss..that is wisdom and humility. Rafa's letter on the hand oozed of arrogance. Now I know he is a proud man but to pen a letter addressed to the fan base of the club and fail to even acknowledge or mention those fans who have been against his appointment is very unwise. He mentioned and singled out for his praise and acknowledgement only those fans who called him, emailed him, etc to support him. Look there is nothing wrong with thanking fans who support you but it takes a much bigger man to acknowledge those who don`t and if he thinks those fans are not out there or important he is deluded. The wise and conciliatory thing to have done at this point when the team enjoyed a win would have been to pay tribute to all the fans and to acknowledge those who may not support him presently , ask for their support and indicate that he will continue working to win the support of every last one of them..that is what a wise man whose common sense overrides his pride would have done.
Frankly I am ambivalent about Rafa. He is a gifted and experienced coach, his record speaks for itself ..my concern regarding him had always been his man management skills and the fact that everywhere he has been in the past he has always without fail given enough time picked high profile fights with key players, owners, management staff etc and that is always what prompts his exits. It happened in Valencia, at Liverpool, at Inter. Less than a month into his tenure at Chelsea he has already picked another major fight that could have been easily diffused with just a little dose of wisdom and humility. He may have won his first game for us in the BPL but his latest step..that open letter to the fans in my opinion has not done him many favors with a big portion of the clubs fans base; and he will need all the help he can get going forward because this assignment he has taken on is a marathon and not a sprint..and he has barely started. The idea of an open letter was an excellent one but the content and tone was sadly ill advised.
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Your Comments
Having read some comments of the ones who 'don't support' him, I have to say they aren't worth mentioning ;)
ElMagicoNino
Very well written by Rafa.
Elbowz
Hope rafa writes more of this letters.a great read it is,the booboys can go hang themselves for all i care they arent worth mentioning
Ken4CFC
nicely written
CFCTalal
Just like the comments above says, F U Boo boys! Rafa rocks! Well written letter too. Some lame jokers knows only to find fault with everything. And yea, RDM is nothing compared to Rafa as a manager, except for man management skills. It's there to be seen in the way the game is played itself, not to mention the past and the CV.
Fernando.9.Torres
'Content and tone was ill adviced' - LMFAO! Alright mate.
Fernando.9.Torres
@GabeU, but he pledged his loyalty and dedication to the club, he said "thank you to all" and gave recognition to those who went extra miles to congratulate and show him support, I think it's just natural for him to reciprocate the good gesture with special recognition... moreover, I think it will be unprofessional of him to mention that some fans are not in support of him..... and all that, it's not needed, some things are just better left alone and I believe he definitely must have gotten advice from his PA, PRO, etc... who must have tailored the letter for him...
Latunvic
Usually it is the press who makes a meal out of anything related to Chelsea. But this VC community is out to make an absolute mockery about anything Rafa does. Hilarious group of people.
Fernando.9.Torres
could hear the only one di mateo being sung at the SOL yesterday. i'm no rafa fan but surely this sort of singing can only be regarded as counterproductive in the extreme. how silly!
trueblue44
I dont see anything proud about his letter tbh
SameX
Dont you know some fans might have insulted him through their calls and email, infact i think he will get more insult than support. But he is trying to show them he does not really care and trully wants the best for the club and owner.
SameX
Spot on@trueblues44 some fans need to grow up
SameX
Wasn't a Rafa fan but I find absolutely nothing wrong with his letter. Is he supposed to acknowledge the boo boys??? No. He's concentrating on stating his purpose/goal which is our common goal - to compete and to win games. Good for him. Continuing to boo him is not supportive of the team...the players hear the boos and I'm sure it does affect them.
Squig
Honestly, i dont see what is wrong with Rafa, he has done pretty well so far, we are playing so much better tbh and are looking scary whenever we attack or counterattack, he hasn't provoked anyone and is trying to get the senior players in tune with him. He always talks about how he and Terry talk and even other players.
SameX
He said he will improve his french so he can converse more with Hazard. He said he spoke with Lille's manager cos he beleived Hazard could do better and I love what I am seeing from Hazard these days, Moses has also been given his chance to shine and is gradually showing us what he can do. Even Paulo was given game time.
SameX
I am not old but I have watched football to an extent that I know quality when I see It. Rafa is a quality manager and he knows exactly what he is doing, he has gotten our team to play better and is not scared to make crazy subs,we are playing more direct now and Torres is on Fire for the first time in a long time, he knows the fans dont like him and all he is asking is for us to support the team. WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT???? Do you expect him to start apologizing for what he did in the past? Lol! Just get over it.
SameX
Squig has said it all
SameX
I hate the 16th minute mark in matches nowadays. Too much of everything is bad. Why dont they applaud the 11th for drogba. Pathetic fans. If they cheered against citeh n fulham, we wud av won.
caspar_blue
Rafa will never be Chelsea and i still refuse to watch
unclezillion
You guys are missing the point here..and again it appears some of you did not critically read what Rafa wrote. He spent three quarters of his letter to the fans saying what he had done and how many hours he worked and all the sacrifice he was making etc etc..this is pointless. All that is what is expected of any professional manager being well paid to do what he does. AVB never had to say how hard he worked..it was when he left it was revealed how he actually used to sleep at cobham...Guardiola never said how hard he worked for Barca ..it was others who indicated how he worked so hard that he oft missed meals which were found days after left untouched and moldy in his office. It was only in the latter part of the letter he actually concentrated on the fans and when he did he clearly singled out those he was saying thanks to..A leader must be all inclusive..it is part of the job description. I for one was not advocating he apologize to anyone..he had a chance to do that during his initial news conference and did not sieze it but with this great idea he had of a letter to the fans he had another chance to extend the hand of fellowship to those who dont see eye to eye with him and he essentially said to them; you dont matter , you dont exist as far as i am concerned and i dont need to address you.
I am no politician and actually i hate politics as a whole but a classic example of this recently played out in the presidential election squabble here in the states. One candidate essentially decided up front that a certain percentage and segment of the country were not even worth appealing to and said so..the other candidate though he knew there were many out there who hated his guts dared to extend the hand of fellowship to all..of course many ignored it and others essentially spat at the gesture. but guess who won when it was all said and done? I really could care less if Rafa actually meant what he wrote but as the leader of the team it behoves him to be the teams chief cheer leader and the one who rallies all the fans to help the team. He gains nothing by perpetuating a divide in the fan base. Some of you seem to think i have a personal stake in this..i dont..as i have said before i frankly cared little about what he said as a liverpool coach, i have heard it all from guys like SAF and Wenger but never take it personally and i for one cannot and will not blame him for the follies of our board and Roman but there are things he could do better as far as how he relates to the chelsea fan base..a fan base that was there before he came and will be there after he leaves. He does not need to be adversarial nor divisive. Anyway everyone can see it the way the want..as long as he is winning and there are positive results Roman will give him time..i guess that is all that matters ..for now.
GabeU
It doesn't matter who the coach is, as long as he is making the right
things for the team. And being the fans, we have to support the best interests
of the team. As a fan of Chelsea, I will standby the manager and wish him the best to get the best results. If Torres returns back to form, Rafa is bringing 50 million pounds into Chelsea.
chelsusa
Favours.. not favors :0)
guddy69
nothing wrong with his open letter.......... also, I agree with everything @SameX said here.......
The Persian
LOL! @GabeU, 1st, u should understand that AVB and Rafa's appointments are two very different scenarios and surrounded by different circumstances.... The truth is Rafa owes no fan an apology for doing his job, if I were in his shoes, I would do the same and never apologize to anybody for doing my job the way I ought to do it...We shouldn't pick a fight with this man where none exist. I think you are seeing the letter that way because u have a mind set and that is "Rafa should apologize", I guess that's what u were expecting from the letter which explains your reaction. The letter is not a letter of apology, I think it's all about getting support and he need not spend the entire length of the letter begging for support.... SAF has said worst things to Chelsea, do u think he would apologize to anybody if we hire him today... What I picked from the letter is, hey, we are now one; working for a common goal, let's set aside the past, I'm fully committed to this job, we need to focus; focus on what is ahead, the task before us is enormous and that is what we should collectively see as priority, thank u all for your support, special shout out to those who sent me welcome messages, lets move forward.......
Latunvic
I dont know why we still keep booing the Rafa or singing RDM in 16th minute mark...Pathetic. He is here, he was invited by the coach to help...he is doing his best. If we cant support him, lets atleast stop booing. This will increase the team confidence on the coach. But, I am very excited to see what boo boys will do at the end of the season, if Rafa becomes successful in getting the top 3, winning 2 trophies...
Blu_run
this is ridiculous and even more because one of the more respected writer/commentator on vc is expecting this nonsense from clearly a high profile and proud and proven manager. I dont know exactly what some of you are expecting from the man. Should if lick your assess to make him worthy of chelsea. Hasn't avb said worse About us after leaving us. I say if you cant support the man, at least support the club. All this nonsense thrown at the manager is only making things worse for the club.
Blue India
@gabeu, the moment I read ur article, I just said merlin should let it rest, I never knew it was u, look we fans are blinded by the present, let rafa win all winnables and u'll see fans targeting insults at u as if u are expecting him to fail, if rafa fails this same fans will be more judgemental and viscious in their criticism than any other fan, let it rest mate, enjoy the wins and pray he leaves when his contract expires, there is no way all chelsea fans will accept rafa, it wasn't all chelsea fan that accepted RDM, and not chelsea fans will accept pep if he comes, such is life, let's move on and be critical when he deserves it, atleast they won't accuse u of being unsupportive, resulting into stupid insults, thank God u are the gentleman u are and take this insults without blowing up, anybody tries that stunt with me, I'll give double dose, well that shows u are more matured than most though
Desmondadonis
@desmond, boy u are a handful lol and i was also with gabeu on this for i think if rafa wasn't doing something wrong the boos would have subsided alot by now but have shut me up and i hope gabeu as well when you said 'there is no way all chelsea fans will accept rafa, it wasn't all that accepted RDM, and not all will accept pep if he comes, such is life'. bro ow e dey go with u
BluesInMe
Some unwarranted nitpicking. I would've been surprised if this wasn't from the same author of "Gathering of Dark Clouds" but what an anti-climax...I was right after all *smh*
@Mq
I made peace with it already a few weeks ago. RB is not my favorite manager but things have gotten better, and it's obvious. I'm a Chelsea fan, and this means that I do not want to harm the club. All fans should behave like (and think before you act). As long as things work out (and the players give it 110%), I am pleased. Praise, if it is worth it, and criticize, if there is a reason. It's that simple.
CFCblue.est
@Gabe U. You are smart guy. Leave it. Time heals wounds. Be supportive. Sometimes it is necessary to make compromises.
CFCblue.est
Goodbye Unclezillion,we aint missing you
Ken4CFC
I can see that rafa has got quite a good number of vc a$$ lickers already who wont see the point this article is trying to make cos they think the writer is criticising rafa. If u think u re wiser than those fans who go to the matches to boo rafa, why not make more efforts to go to those games sing about ur support for rafa, that u lots can counter the boo boys. If u ve chosen to be a rafa a$$ lickers, its ur choice, let those who have chosen to be the boo boys be. They will decide by themselves when to stop. U dont pay for their tickets, u cant choose for them. @mq once said he chose to watch formula one while a chelsea match was going on, yet the idiot has the gut to come here and criticise fans who make lots of sacrifice to go the stadium for the choices they choose to make. Pathetic attention seeking drama queen.
Chelz Akamz
@chelz Akamz,its better 4 me to stay at home than to go embarrass myself at SB,why would i go to the bridge to boo instead of supportin ma team??..i tink this attack on mq is gettin out of hand,is mq the only fan who does other things when his team plays??most of us do same at one point in time#DontThrowStones
Ken4CFC
@bluesinme, thank u jare omo iya, I appreciate u, yes I can be a handful even for the best in the lot, and I avnt seen any with savvy enough or wits, just loudmouths with zero percent of intelligence, mr photo, wetin be ur own? How can a proper fan leave a chelsea game for formular one? And u can bodly call urself a fan? Its like saying u want to watch a horse race when proper fans are cheering their teams on in munich, let's be be fair when defending and stop being myopic, as chelz akamz said, gabeu wasn't jumping on rafa's back, he was stating an obvious point that a 10 year old will normally understand, its pathatic that the overgrown babies patrolling themselves as adults won't see that
Desmondadonis
...mq once said he chose to watch formula one while a chelsea match was going on, yet the idiot has the gut to come here and criticise fans who make lots of sacrifice to go the stadium for the choices they choose to make...I hate responding to personalized comments because they divert attention from the article but I have to respond CHELZ because, unfortunately, I'm not in London ( or England at that) so I can't go to watch Chelsea play, something i hope to change soon. As for me watching F1, I'm not about to justify missing the last race of the season which had a season-winner still to be confirmed (it's just way too intriguing) so for that 1 race, I'll record and watch the match after....Plz don't respond, I don't wanna personalize this article
@Mq
...How can a proper fan leave a chelsea game for formular one? And u can bodly call urself a fan? Its like saying u want to watch a horse race when proper fans are cheering their teams on in munich, let's be be fair when defending and stop being myopic...*smh*
@Mq
in future chelsea should get zola as our attacking manager rdm as defending manger, poyet as our striker manager...drogba and terry as motivation specalist....torres and sheva as how not to be a flop specalist....lamapard how to be a legend specalist...marin as sub bench specalist(how to pass your time by sitting on the bench)....
shlok27
@Mq, sorry but what were u right about??
BluesInMe
The same people who called me all sorts of expletive names and hurled obscenities at my every comment/ article about my disapproval of RDM are just about the flip-side of the same coin as I was deemed to be BLUES
@Mq
Desmond,havent u ever missed a chelsea game??i can remember vividly in some past article u said u arent watchin our game(4 reasons best known to u),and u comparin mq's seein formula 1 instead of chelsea vs city to a horse race nd munich is laughable..munich was our greatest night,city game was just another game out of 37epl games...it was formular1 grand finale ffs and not some horse race..get real mate and cut the guy some slack
Ken4CFC
I find nothing wrong with the letter. And I don't think he's perpetuating a divide as evidenced in the last sentence in the 2nd paragraph where he refers to 'our' (ALL) fans, not just the ones who wish him well... I think the he opened it nicely illustrating to us the time structure he has had to work with all the while remaining humble and optimistic. By this, I think he is trying to bring clarity which breeds calmness and inevitably direction. And to not address the boo boys specifically is genius, he is telling us he is more focused on CFC, success and trophies than holding hands and singing Christmas Carols with disgruntled fans. Everyone has a right to voice their opinion especially at the Bridge but there comes a time when you just need to shut the feck up, accept what's happened and put that wasted effort into our songs and cheering on the boys.
ForeverChels
I was just thinking that a few minutes ago mq.
ForeverChels
that*
ForeverChels
@Mq, actually you were against RDM because you think he wasn't a good coach and couldn't take us forward but this set of people who you say are against you are actually not calling for Rafa to be sacked. they are just puzzled by the lack of effort by Rafa to quell what he has with the fans. he doesn't actually need to apologize per se, he could just say 'ok have eaten the humble pie by sayin chelsea fans aren't passionate as they have proven him wrong by just how vocal they've been towards him'. i don't think the boos are for him to be sacked i think some set of supporters aren't just feeling his humility. yea you might say let the fans just forget it and move forward but you can also say 'let Rafa reach out to these set of fans and also move forward'. i think Rafa is good and i think he will do well for us but even if he wins everything and at the end of the season the fans are still divided, then the board might just have to do away with him (i.e. not given his due reward to lead us further that's if he wins everything) especially when RA keeps looking towards Pep.
BluesInMe
@ken4cfc, I have never missed a chelsea match for anyother thing even when we are crappy, I only miss it when my subscription is off and not quickly renewed, or if the signal is bad, to chose another game to watch and not watch ur team play by choice is my angst, yet he was were very critical of players which he did not dedicate time to watch as soon as he came to post saying with what I av seen for 15mins, so so player played crap and is a bad player,he was going about saying stupid things without facts, so if u don't know what we are talking about, I think u should shut up, or just post something else
Desmondadonis
Has* @bluesinme, bro, dis people wit dia mumu talk dey vex me make I no lie.
Desmondadonis
Appreciate that KEN :)
@Mq
Clearly BLUES you missed the comments made in that insult-riddled article/comment made by KAKUFRANK, you'll be surprised how many 'Chelsea fans' were actually open to wanting the club to flop to "prove them right"
@Mq
not watching matches especially when the team is not playing well is the same as home fans abandoning the stadium when the team is about to lose. I dont understand what the fuss is all about. It is simple: 'I cant watch my team lose'
Blue India
to all the boo boys. Stop living in the past and get to the present and the present is rafa
Blue India
.......... you'll be surprised how many 'Chelsea fans' were actually open to wanting the club to flop to "prove them right"...... did u not openly admit u wanted the club to go on a downward spiral when AVB was sacked @Mq ???
blus4eva
and was I not "corrected" by the same people now basically wishing for the same BLUS?? I was wrong (at the time) and I was castigated (rightly so) but I find it funny the same people were actually open to that this time around, hence I said they and I are just flip-side of the same coin....although I'm head ;)
@Mq
that's why u hate rdm so much isn't it @mq? cuz he didn't let that happen! he proved u wrong, the players weren't finished, that clueless muppet was the problem all along lol! btw, moyes 2-1 AVB; Everton 4th n spurs 5th :)
blus4eva
@desmond,the bottom line is we many have missed chelsea games whether by default or choice...however,the last time i checked the city match thread mq only stated what he observed in the last 10-15min he saw,tbh he was optimistic and urged the team to improve,he never critcised any player or the team because he understood the manager has been with us 4 less than 5days,instead some of you attacked him and wantin him to criticise rafa just as he does to our darlin rdm or admit rafa was a bad choice
Ken4CFC
@Ken : why don't u go back to the wet-spam vs chelsea matchday moments thread n see what @Mq wrote there
blus4eva
Too much talk talk going on here. Don't even see the need for the letter from Benitez. Would he have written the letter if we lost to Sunderland? He deserves major credit for some improvements we see in the team, but he still has major work to do as a coach and that includes improving relationship with fans on the ground and his man management skills which still hasn't improved. What insult-riddles article/comment is MQ talking about again mate?
KAKUfrank
Actually read from my 1st comment and responses thereof KEN, you'll make your own judgement thereafter :)
@Mq
Can't we focus on the article and not personal vendetta's BLUS?? As for AVB losing to Everton I don't see why you should make a big deal of that, go to Vital Spurs if you wanna laugh @ them....by the way, we not halfway in the season yet :)
@Mq
Have you never written an article/comment riddled with insults after Benitez was hired KAKU?? Your response will prove whether or not you need to be reminded
@Mq
@ken. I think u are sore about something that u either don't want to admit or u are just deliberately an arse out of urself, go back to the thread u'll see where he attacked moses and marin, as I said shut up if u don't know what u are on, and that muppet said we want rafa to fail to prove a point, talking about a big liar who never wanted RDM to win the UCL and the match day threads are there to prove it, did he want to RDM to ever suceed? No, did he support him? No, when rafa played the same team RDM played he was cooing like a pleased dove, rdm played ryan on the wings he crapped in his pants and the coward applauded for him, if u think u want that annoying coach to fail to prove a point, then u are more deluded than the VC idiot
Desmondadonis
@blues4eva,actually talkin about the matchday he opted 4 formular1
Ken4CFC
@ken. I think u are sore about something that u either don't want to admit or u are just deliberately an arse out of urself, go back to the thread u'll see where he attacked moses and marin, as I said shut up if u don't know what u are on, and that muppet said we want rafa to fail to prove a point, talking about a big liar who never wanted RDM to win the UCL and the match day threads are there to prove it, did he want to RDM to ever suceed? No, did he support him? No, when rafa played the same team RDM played he was cooing like a pleased dove, rdm played ryan on the wings he crapped in his pants and the coward applauded for rafa when he did the same thing, if u think i want that annoying coach to fail to prove a point, then u are more deluded than the VC idiot
Desmondadonis
...when rafa played the same team RDM played he was cooing like a pleased dove, rdm played ryan on the wings he crapped in his pants and the coward applauded for him...was this not the Fulham game when I said, quote, "the moment I saw the line up I switched of my telie and played PS" DESMOND?? Get your facts right lad, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT *smh*
@Mq
@ken : u seem to be defending the philosophical VC idiot, i just think u might change ur opinion of him if u saw what he wrote on the wet-spam-chelsea matchday thread.
blus4eva
If u don't know what he said, maybe I'll let u in on it, he said moses is not a chelsea material and is not worth the meagre 9m we paid for him, but wants us to buy a hulk who would have cost us 40+m and still give us the same input as moses, he then had the guts to criticize marin and says he aint worth 6m that we paid for him, a player that haven't got ample time on the pitch at all, he is criticizing the poor lad not cutting him a slack, all because some transfers didn't go the way he wanted, how is that about cutting him some slack? Mtscheeeew!! Were leyin mejeji
Desmondadonis
Go read the article titled "The Reasoning behind......" and you'll see what an "intelligent" person DESMOND truly is. Need the link??: http://www.chelsea.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=532132
@Mq
The fool switched off his set in a chelsea game? How is that for a cfc fan? Eigh?
Desmondadonis
This article is about Rafa, how it's been turned to be about me beats me LoL.....and people say I "take over VC"
@Mq
And by the way @mq, it was in the sunderland game rafa played ryan in the wings and u jumped shipped to use someone's rather intelligent reply to counter my gripe in that game, if that fan hadn't talked the way he did, I am sure u'll be clueless as usual, its the sunderland game which we played just 2 days ago, are u suffering from memory loss too?
Desmondadonis
just 2 (TWO, YES TWO) Comments later you said....Guys, can't we do something about theo walcott's situation with arsenal? The lad have improved a lot from last season and can do a job or two with what he'll bring in width for chelsea, if we can get him for 12m has he seem to be in the last year of his contract, I won't mind him coming with what I have seen ftom him as a player this season....Moses and Walcott play the same position, that you feel we should get Walcott speaks VOLUMES about how you perceive Moses, or are you in denial again?? *smh*
@Mq
What you've recently said pertaining to Moses DESMOND....Kid from football manager fantasy league, hypocritical, dumb and myopic, nitpicking torres's improvement and conveniently excluding one of the brightest spark in chelsea's attack presently in the team, the lad started 3 games out of 5 for rafa and have been immense totally for the team, yet he aint starting material yet, laughable from this crowned clown, was subbed off against westham the team struggled, was subbed off against sunderland and the attacking edge waned, tells u something about the lad and what he brings to the team in both attack and defense , and he is just bought for 9m...
@Mq
who says that @mq? ur just a troll of the lowest order that merlin for some reason is reluctant to get rid off :)
blus4eva
What are you talking about? Have I written an article insulting Benitez? Absolutely NOT. Have I insulted Benitez in articles? Absolutely YES.
KAKUfrank
...if that fan hadn't talked the way he did, I am sure u'll be clueless as usual....WoW so now you know what I'm thinking and about to say DESMOND?? You've gone from being a "football expert" to being psychic now?? LoL this just keeps getting better still
@Mq
That's why I said article/comment KAKU Geez *smh*
@Mq
and to suggest Walcott be a sub for Moses, to say we buy Moses for 9Mil and buy him a sub who is older, has more experience for 12Mil is rather ludicrous. Unless you mean Moses be the sub, which reverts to my point of Moses not being a starter DESMOND....either way, your comment reveals how "smart" you are, so quit trying to ridicule me (at your detriment) and focus on the article @ hand yeah :)
@Mq
As I said mr loudmouth, u talk too much from ur anus, do we have adequate width depth? Answer that and we'll all see how dumb u are, are u telling us theo walcott is a world class player and moses aint a chelsea material? Answer us so we'll knw how dumb u are and effectively shut u up today
Desmondadonis
We are waiting @mq, we are waiting answer those simple questions as u understand it, or do u need to be spoon fed again?
Desmondadonis
What did you want him to say? "I'm sorry for doing my job at Liverpool and saying all and doing all that i possibly could in order to help my team win."?..... I don't understand some fans.... I really don't..... Get behind the man and support the team! Enough is enough. We are fans! That's what we do! This is getting embarrassing!
NicciBoy
Since u ran away with ur tail in between ur legs then I'll educate u why we need theo walcott, first we have moses and hazard as the only wide players at chelsea, so if any of the duo is suspended or injured we'll have a replacement in marin and theo walcott, theo is also knowned to want a run as a CF, and we might just see if he is any good there if torres goes back into his shell (God forbid), another point u need to understand is that moses will be starting and starring for nigeria in the coming afcon, and what other replacement would be better than theo, who is english and talented, it will add to the english contigent at chelsea, another thing to lecture u on, since u seem to be dimwitted is that arsene wenger don't sell cheap, theo is an english man and english men price tag are higher than normal foriegn players atimes, nasri,adebayo,fabregas and RVP are examples of how expensive arsenal sell their players, below is a link of a story where chelsea is reported to chase theo walcott, read it and tell us where it is quoted that he is being bought to replace a floundering moses, pls get us any links where moses is being berated and is identified as a player we need to replace? We are waiting sir
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9669393/Chelsea-plan-January-swoop-for-Arsenals-Theo-Walcott.html
Desmondadonis
at the moment he is our manager so im going to support him i dont like what the club did to robbie but thats not his doing in fact i didnt want to see vialli or ruddy or jose go but thats is for you i will be glad when we get stability at the club
herefordchelsea
@mq, are u satisfied now? Or should i educate u more on any other chelsea transfer prospect ur brain can't assimilate or comprehend
Desmondadonis
@desmond,dont get me wrong,i dnt have a problem with u or anybody else,i just came here to have a chitchat with ma blue pals..u can make your point without soundin harsh we arent quarrelin here mate..@blues4eva,i understand u mate
Ken4CFC
Please stick to articles/comments on VC and not mention my name only. Benitez and yourself get insulted on almost every single article since he was hired with the most being the west ham matchday articles. Please no name calling. Thx.
KAKUfrank
@ken4cfc, I'll be harsher if u don't know when to interject in a conversation, u are asking me to cut MQ the slavk and I was like "what for? If u haven't seen him trolling then I can take my time and post u the links, so its not u, u just got hit by a stray, have I ever been rude to u? My case here is that I'll make my contributions and leave, if there is a gentlemnaly debate with intelligent peeps, u'll see me learning a lot and talk civilly, but if I am being insulted publicly or in a thin veiled manner, I get really ornery, so as I said, u are backing and involving urself in a conversation u don't know anything about, old VC members know what I am griping about
Desmondadonis
Slack* , gentlemanly* sorry guys
Desmondadonis
Guys, the man is an obese disgusting lipid laden being, but he is my teams coach. I will however not suck up to him or defend him or his largess in any way or form as he went out if his way to insult me and the passion I have for this club...and he has not apologized...okay his prerogative...but then mine is to outline at every opportunity his fat rolls that coagulate in the lower recesses of what I would call his face, others call it the Mathew Harding stand owing to its unusual size...bottom line...I support the team and hope that the team does well...therefore I support the coach...coz if we do all that I want us to do, it would be hard for Rafa to be sacked, and even then I want him to succeed some more and more and more...heck if he is our coach in ten years it'll make me happy as it means we are eating silverware at every turn, hell our trophy cabinet will be as fat as the man himself...but I will be happy and content and that is all I want. But for those who hate him so much that they want the team to fail...I feel it is wrong...There were some who wanted CFC to crash out of the UCL last year as they were buttsore over AVB...I hated those posters...one in particular who shall remain nameless as he is already infamous with his illogical hatred and CFC Fan wannabe status...To those who harbor similar feeling about Rafa (while it may be more justifiable than hating RDM owing to history) you are being just like the one who'll remain nameless.
Gian-Franco/Luca
Its pathetic the reasoning behind some of you lots...not too be disrespectful,but I doubt you people actually understand the gravity of events that happens at the bridge. What this article is trying to explain is that Rafa lost a lil sense of opportunity to address majority of fans who he still needs to win over. If you lots think we have just a minority of fans against him,then you need to take a hard long look at yourselves. Its okay to support Rafa,that's basically your business,but never criticize a fan who spends his hard earned money,travels to Sunderland(Monkwearmouth),pays for the ticket,and you think they know nothing about supporting the Club because they boo'd Rafa...#B*llS**t. Fans were buzzing after the win at the stadium of light,against the black cats...our first win over a long period,and it was a great opportunity to address the fans,pinch a little from the good atmosphere within the Chelsea fan base. The Chelsea Supports management,top season ticket holders,are yet to come to terms with Rafa...everyone took a glimpse of the open letter and came out a little more angry...A lad said to me...'What arrogance from the man'. Do I think the letter could have convinced fans if it was better drafted? No...Do I feel it would have built a certain bridge? Absolutely...That is exactly what the article explains.
nelyvanile
Have to agree with you nely!
mutters
@desmond,i have been on this site for longer than u think and i try to read every single article/comment,so labelin me a newbie changes nothin..i know mq,and have had debates with him in the past..mq could be a troll,he could be annoyin,he could be an asshole,but sometimes he makes some valid points which many overlook and instead attack him like hungry wolves,many atimes we divert a very interestin article into an anti-mq bashin which makes this whole fiasco look like a witch-hunt..cant we have a healthy debate here without insults and name calling??lets keep it civil guys
Ken4CFC
Now u see what sensible post that was by NELY, before y'all go epileptic on a decent article
Desmondadonis
@ken4cfc, u should direct ur post to @mq then not me, I am just person who posts and enjoy debates, I hate a situation where u make fun of people's intelligence or insult people without no reason, the man in me don't take to bullies, so sorry ken if u are offended
Desmondadonis
My daughter got married recently,so I have an idea about handing your child to a decent man to take care of her. Its hard as a father,but its a necessity of life...So imagine i(Abramovich) handed my daughter (Chelsea FC) over to a man (Rafa) who disrespected her and my family members(cfc fan base) in the past,hoping he buys her and the family gifts and splashes some squids they will obviously come to terms with him. Obviously some family members who are moved by such moves will come around and applaud and kiss his ass...Some will obviously be against him for abusing the family name they stand for and will never accept or condone him. As its no longer just about the daughter but about a stain on the family name. I have no right to criticize any of the above as they have their reasons...but they all have a stand and that should always be respected. You be the judge of ur own self.
nelyvanile
@desmond,same goes to mq and everyone..am also sorry if i offend u,hope we all have healthy debates without controversy
Ken4CFC
Some of you here should grow up, turning every article into an opportunity for personal abuses makes no sense.... Can't we have discussions on this forum without people playing cat and mouse.... And I have to say not every fan at the bridge is happy with the boos, and not every fan at the bridge participates in it, which ever of the groups a fan belongs to, they all have valid reasons for how they feel... I believe this article was put up for discussion, it is someone's opinion and not everyone would agree, it doesn't call for fights or name calling..... The article is not even about if booing is right or wrong, it's about the tone and content of a letter, but somehow, people have turned it into a pro-booing vs anti-booing argument.....
Latunvic
....first we have moses and hazard as the only wide players at chelsea, so if any of the duo is suspended or injured we'll have a replacement in marin....you mention we have Moses and Hazard as the "only" wide players but end your sentence with Marin DESMOND does that show some1 who thinks before they type??
@Mq
Secondly, I said Moses isn't Chelsea starting material and your calls for Walcott prove this (funnily) because no sensible person spends 9mil on a 21 year old player who isn't exactly "world class" then spends 12Mil on a 25 year old more experienced (at the highest level) to be his sub, that doesn't make economic nor functional sense at all. Your calls for Walcott prove that he'd be a starter and Moses be a sub, unless you mean otherwise "Professor"...
@Mq
And quit the insults DESMOND everyone can see it's pathetic....*smh* you making yourself more and more appear a fool lad, do like KAKU and focus on the article yeah ;)
@Mq
Just to prove how "smart" you truly are DESMOND, if we went by your reasoning and bought Walcott who would be the starter between the 2?? *can't wait for the answer to this one ;)
@Mq
@Desmond, @Mq...you guys are both intelligent...but seriously after a hard day's work...'ll honestly prefer to come here and gist football not this cheap boring personal jibes..m soo dissapointed in you both...we could just talk football...that'll a lot better...i saw a long thread of close to about a 100posts and and i entered to read and contribute to football gists only to see half of the posts are just cheap and empty personal jibes...you too have taken over the whole place, you are taking this too far and its boring...please stop it we are all adults...
layorh12
We av lost the substance in here. We need to understand one thing here, if we are real fans as accliam there is need to show respect to the club and the fans which are ever married. When the Fat one was walking alone in anfield his allegiance was obvious by hurting us in his statement in the past and now he finds himself in the lovely blue shirt that is keeping him warm after 2yrs without one and you dead brains feels he shouldnt show Respect to the fans to prove his allegiance to the club by being apologetic of his past about the club. This will be a good place to start and the wins will heal the wounds but he is a proud bitch...
Hardtackle
I'd as well join Layorh12 in appealing that you two please stop it as it is getting out of hand. Nothing meaningful is being gathered with all of this.
avbhimself
well Hardtackle has just perfectly summed up the gist of this article...and the clear and undeniable truth therein...
Gian-Franco/Luca
We av lost the substance in here. We need to understand one thing here, if we are real fans as accliam there is need to show respect to the club and the fans which are ever married. When the Fat one was walking alone in anfield his allegiance was obvious by hurting us in his statement in the past and now he finds himself in the lovely blue shirt that is keeping him warm after 2yrs without one and you dead brains feels he shouldnt show Respect to the fans to prove his allegiance to the club by being apologetic of his past about the club. This will be a good place to start and the wins will heal the wounds but he is a proud bitch...
Hardtackle
Everyone who chanted 'only one Di Matteo' and gave him a round of applause on Saturday (against Sunlun) should remember that RDM is the only manager who has overseen a Chelsea CL exit at the group stage. Rafa's first game, his only game, in the Champions League was a 6 1 win. In Roman we should trust. Nearly every management change he has made has been for a reason and it has never stopped CFC from winning trophies.
Grantsman
U should appeal to @mq, he is the one who enjoys the attention and starts most insults, check all threads u'll see he doesn't accept any football debates, he just comes back and start reposting what u have to say, if u noticed I ignored him a few times, u'll note he'll just bring my name out of the blue in capital letters, appeal to him not to talk or comment on my posts nor mention my name and we'll be cool, if u don't curb him then it will continue, layor12, I am not here to debate intelligence or not, I just despise this guy's larger than life stance on everybody and everything, the same person who doesn't see anything good in any article or peeps comment, he is usually trying too hard to get attention and I don't have any business with that, just tell him not to smear my name in that cheap low life stuff, its demeaning and I don't like it. And by the way @mq, u didn't say anything worthy of note to the education u just received on the importance of walcott, and if walcott comes, moses will bench him till he shows he has something to offer than the lad, shows u don't know what u are talking about.
Desmondadonis
I think its a good article, Robbie was sacked and then we get this as a further bit of salt to rub in the wounds, you'll all be slagging him off when hes gone and that day can;t come too soon. I'll be boong as loud as I can and the 16th minute is the one where I'll be showing my support.
chipthechap
@GabeU. You are very right and time will prove you so. However this is in vain because you are preaching to the wrong choir. This is not about Rafa imho. The faithful who travel and sing against him are more so showing their disapproval at the illtreatment of RDM and also venting their anger at tge way this club is being run by Roman. Roman immediately had a meeting with 6 fans after firing RDM for a reason. The move to hire Rafa was also like adding fuel to a fire. However reaction against Roman would have been done regardless of who came in. Supporting a club is an emotional choice.....you cant choose to love family. But they can still make you mad. Now the other side who have primarily been against your article....and who never read and or chose not to understand it are Torres supporters. I do not buy the bs about Rafa's so called tactical acumen. He won when Real and Barca were going thru a transition. Then he won using Houlier's team. Liverpool's players said the same. You can not credit Rafa while discrediting RDM when they pretty much did the same thing.
OCBlues
I won't have anything against Rafa as far as he appologises for the bloody non-sense he said in the past about Chelsea fans.But this guy's as stubborn as a mule and he won't back off from his position.The fact that he had not appologised yet means that he still feels his words are true and I won't tolarate being treated as a 'plastic' fan.It is true that I have never been at the bridge although I will one day when I have the opportunity.I was also greatly disappointed by the lack of choreografy in Munich.But that is the way the audience of Chelsea is and one can NEVER question the dedication and the support by our fans without punishment and Benitez gets his each and every game with the 16th minute round of applause.But that open letter was a golden chance missed.If he had stated that it is for the best of the club that the manager and the supporters are united and he regrets his words I am sure that 70-80 per cent of the people who are against him being our coach,me including,would have forgiven him.Instead he reaffiremed my opinion about him that he is an insolent thick-skinned Spanish hoe,which no atter what happens on the football pitch is a pitiful person.I do not hate him at all-I sympathise him because he is pathetic.
Simeon23
@Simeon...I cant laff enough...deep stuff...its so dope!!
layorh12
@Nely : what if u not accepting ur son-in-law affects ur daughter in a really bad way? would u not put the past behind u for ur daughter's sake? i don't understand it when ppl say 'i ll support my team but not the manager', how's u booing/insulting/unsettling the manager while he's trying to concentrate on the task @ hand in any way helpful to the team? do u honestly think all this negative atmosphere and tension doesn't affect the teams performances on the pitch??
blus4eva
Romeu is apparentlz out for six months.Words can't describe how sad that made me feel. :(((
Luna
@blues4eva,thank you for those questions
Ken4CFC
*apparently*
Luna
all i know is that rafa is trying his best to improve the team and win trophies for that i will support him despite what he said years ago.
MrDax
@Luna..i hope this news is not true...m soo chaffed....omg..Romue...he was quietly impressing me already...i guess initially his performance was lacklustre beacause he was match rusty..he showed some real talent in the last two matches ..'ll be soo sad if its true...God help us..
layorh12
@blus4eva, a wise man will Respect his in-laws or face the war drums and know no peace. To co-exist repect is bond but earned by the wise.@Luna, is it meant to a VC hoax? let it be told quickly b4 some vcm go hanging. Dont say i didnt warn u! If ur info is anything 2go bye it certainly goin 2b a migraine.Whatz ur source???
Hardtackle
Mrdax, yes hes cooking good or even the best meal like you expressed but dont you think its healthy to wash-up dirts and stains off d dish b4 meal is served. Dont you get? Arrogance shouldnt blind him from knowing when to line up ethics . Every body is dam important like a tree cant make or be called forest. Okay, how would u feel or react to a man who once tried to rape ur kid and after a long tym he ends up being her school teacher and know hes very intelligent?
Hardtackle
@ hardtalk how can you compare a football manager calling opposite fans plastic to a rapist? Like i said i am not bothered if he call chelsea fans plastic as they are just words. Actions speak louder than words and to me he is trying to succeed at chelsea NOW which is all that matters
MrDax
@Hardtackle : i get what ur trying to say. I'm a foreigner, i have never paid 1000+ pounds for a season ticket or traveled across Europe to support my team. but i still understand what guys like NELY must have felt when rafa said that BS about us 'lacking passion' because i really really love this football club with my whole being. Yes he should of apologized! but apparently he's not going to. it's up to us to be the bigger men and simply move on cuz if we don't, the team that is so close to our hearts will suffer.. we were nervy against $hitty n fulham. we lacked unity, fighting spirit n commitment against wet spam, this tension and negativity is unsettling and demoralizing the team. "sound affects !" that was the title of pat nevin's recent article, and this guy knows what he's talking about! he was a professional footballer for two decades.
blus4eva
Lads, I apologize for "personalizing" the article however if you check my ealier comments, I asked more than 3 times not to be addressed directly and for focus on the article, which clearly wasn't heeded so much I had to respond, which I did without a single insulting/ expletive word...APOLOGIES for "taking over" the thread though :)
@Mq
Note the debate was largely football related, about Moses being Chelsea starting material or not. I said he wasn't "starting" material so we needed a winger/2nd striker, something that Moses disagreed with but then suggested we buy Walcott who funnily plays the same position that Moses plays (addressing my comments on the need for a winger/2nd striker) so I'm just as surprised why he persisted with arguing something that he agreed with me on (the need for a winger/2nd striker) *smh*
@Mq
@ken : you're welcome m8 ;)
blus4eva
Ur reasoning makes it impossible to debate healthily as it is the case in most articles with different posters, many VC members can attest to that, u were the one that posted another article's link in here just to get attention, unfortunately it blew in ur face, as I always tell u, think before u talk, if walcott is bought, it won't be for footballing reasaons alone, tell me another english player who is out of contract that is out there that will bring walcott's talent and image with his popularity to chelsea? If lamps leave we'll have another englishman in walcott, his price tag is something realistic, I would av said 6 million would be enough for a player who have only 6 months in his contract, but with arsene I deduced that it would be double or more, how many fans are unhappy with hazard and moses performance as wide men? Hardly many? So if walcott is bought he'll work extremely hard to bench either of the duo, if he is better, he'll get the nod naturally, but to think so dimly that he'll waltz into the team is a bad way of reasoning, unnecessary criticism and the zeal to be proven right just to show intelligence will never make u learn anything in life, so that's my little epistle for taking walcott's availability out of contest just to prove u are intelligent or right, case closed
Desmondadonis
Romeu's injury news confirmed on CFC website...out for 6 months...m sooo chaffed...now we have to get at least a DM in January...hm...interesting times ahead...
layorh12
@layorh12, its is a terrible news for cfc and mostly the lad, he waited so long for this opportunity, Now we have no option than to buy mvilla or fellaini, my money is on fellaini, chelsea will likely go for him. But his fee will be astronomical compared to mvilla, who won't be more than 15m if we bargain, fellaini won't be less than 30m
Desmondadonis
this is his second cruciate ligament injury. we have seen what that does to the best and strongest of players (Essien). on the bright side, the boy is only 21 so he stands a better chance of complete and speedy recovery. sooooooooooooo sorry for the lad :(
blus4eva
Sorry I had to use Caps, it seems DESMOND cannot read nor understand in small letters
@Mq
DESMOND I SAID WE "NEED" A WINGER/2ND STRIKER BECAUSE MOSES ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH BUT YOU DISAGREED WITH ME ABOUT THAT. YOU THEN SUGGESTED THAT WE BUY WALCOTT (I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THIS) BUT IT PROVES THAT INDEED WE DO "NEED" A WINGER/2ND STRIKER WHICH WAS MY INITIAL POINT. NOW OBVIOUSLY IF WE NEEDED SOME1 TO BE MOSES' SUB WE WOULDN'T BE SPENDING MORE THAN WE INITIALLY TO GET MOSES, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY ECONOMICAL SENSE AT ALL ESPECIALLY AS MOSES IS NOT A WORLD CLASS PLAYER THAT WE GOT ON A CHEAP. THAT YOU FEEL WE SHOULD BUY WALCOTT (RIGHTLY SO) PROVES THAT "NEED" I WAS/IS TALKING ABOUT. WE CAN'T SPEND MORE MONEY ON A SUB, WE CAN HOWEVER SPEND MORE MONEY ON A STARTER SO THAT THE MENTIONED PLAYER EFFECTIVELY BECOMES A SUB, WHICH THEN MAKES THEM NOT TO B BE A STARTER NOT SO??....Geez lad, what do you not understand there??
@Mq
...Ur reasoning makes it impossible to debate healthily as it is the case in most articles with different posters, many VC members can attest to that....(WHAT RELEVANCE DOES THIS HAVE TO THIS ARTICLE)...u were the one that posted another article's link in here just to get attention, unfortunately it blew in ur face, as I always tell u, think before u talk....(WHAT LINK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT)...if walcott is bought, it won't be for footballing reasaons alone, tell me another english player who is out of contract that is out there that will bring walcott's talent and image with his popularity to chelsea? (NO ONE IS SAYING HE SHOULDN'T BE BOUGHT, THE QUESTION IS WILL HE BE A STARTER OR NOT)....I would av said 6 million would be enough for a player who have only 6 months in his contract, but with arsene I deduced that it would be double or more...(WHY WOULD WE SPEND MORE MONEY FOR A SUB OF A PLAYER WHO ISN'T WORLD CLASS, UNLESS THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT ON A PLAYER TO START, WHICH IS WHAT I'M SAYING)....So if walcott is bought he'll work extremely hard to bench either of the duo, if he is better, he'll get the nod naturally, but to think so dimly that he'll waltz into the team is a bad way of reasoning....(YOU SUGGESTED WE BUY HIM SO I'M ASKING YOU IF HE'LL BE A STARTER OR NOT?? IF NOT, WHY SPEND MORE MONEY FOR A SUB WHO IS ARGUABLY BETTER THAN THE STARTER??)
@Mq
I have replied u in the other article and I'll try and reply u here, but before I do that, I hope those jumping in defence of @mq saw what he typed that it seem I don't undertsand something written in small letters, hence his reasoning for typing in capital letters, that's what I mean by replying with thinly veiled insults, that's proof if u were wondering
Desmondadonis
As for who will start between the duo, I think moses with rafa will always get the nod ahead of theo walcott anytime, if u disagree u can tell us why. And for the nitpicking about the price if theo walcott was to be a sub for moses, are u saying chelsea are foolish to spend 25m on oscar who is a sub under rafa now? Anelka was bought for 15m, and he was a sub most times, kalou was bought for 16m or 18m back then and he is a sub, are u saying we can't spend whatever amount is necessary for sqyad players? Dzeko is a sub for city, balotelli too, so what the feck are u talking about? Harping on a 12m player?
Desmondadonis
Pls guys leave the "debate" with @mq and I, don't add anything if I am right yet, or if I am wrong, he continued with this stuff, I want him to end it himself.
Desmondadonis
And oh yea, u said moses aint chelsea material, u changed tune to he isn't a starter, pls clarify what u think he isn't, since the day he have been linked to chelsea, u have always maintained he aint a chelsea material, now its he aint a starter. Clarify now so we'll know if u have a change of heart since he is now a chelsea player.
Desmondadonis
...I think moses with rafa will always get the nod ahead of theo walcott anytime, if u disagree u can tell us why. And for the nitpicking about the price if theo walcott was to be a sub for moses,...That doesn't make any economical sense DESMOND and I'm sure the club would never buy a costlier individual to be a sub for a player that isn't even world class. You just reluctant to admit that you do see the need for a "starting" winger/2nd striker because you know it'll prove me right *smh* and quit name calling, this is a debate between you are so keep it that way, what are you trying to do, drum up support?? It's clearly not working, hasn't been working all along *smh* again
@Mq
.....are u saying chelsea are foolish to spend 25m on oscar who is a sub under rafa now....It's funny you mention Oscar as an analogy forgetting that Oscar was bought before Rafa was considered for the position DESMOND. Oscar was bought before RDM...use relevant examples
@Mq
Since when does it make economical or functional sense to spend more money on a player to be a sub to a player that isn't even better?? *smh*
@Mq
...nelka was bought for 15m, and he was a sub most times, kalou was bought for 16m or 18m back then and he is a sub...1 answer to that, 24MIL ON DROGBA :)
@Mq
U are posting my comment to reply, what say u to torres. Been benched for drogba? Qhich negates ur point, alexis sanchez was bought to play in the same role as pedro, he is mostly on the bench,so what are u talking about costlier replacement? Answer my questions and stop posting back my comment to reply, will walcott start ahead of moses? Why? Is moses now a chelsea material as u av changed tune to him not being a starter
Desmondadonis
As u av changed tune from him not being a chelsea material to a starter, we are waiting for u to answer and don't try to warm ur way out of this
Desmondadonis
Worm ur way out* U also said since when is it functional that we should buy a player that is not better than a starter with such costly sum, I cited examples and can still cite more if u are not convinced, then again let me point out that I said moses would start ahead of theo, I never said theo is better than moses or moses is better than theo, I feel that debate is for another day (just clarifying), so read and understansd without impulsively trying to reply.
Desmondadonis
i am sure that benitez will be good for the rest of the season! really good! he is one of the best coaches.....
austriablue
As for Torr-Mented1 being benched for Drogba, how many of the Manager who did this are still managing Chelsea?? The point is, you can't spend more money on a player to be a sub unless the starting player was either an academy prospect (Sanchez - Pedro analogy you used) or you got him for a "steal" (meaning he is exceptionally talented)
@Mq
...We still need a goal scoring winger/2nd striker. Moses can't score from out wide and isn't starting material yet, but through his inclusions we've seen the importance of width in every match....This is what I said DESMOND don't try to change the topic Geez.
@Mq
Before you castigate me for not answering your question, you asked...will walcott start ahead of moses? Why? Is moses now a chelsea material as u av changed tune to him not being a starter...I say YES, Walcott would start ahead of Mosesx purely because of his experience (at the highest level of football) and he 9Walcott) is a better goal scorer than Moses (currently). As for Moses being "Chelsea material" I still feel it was premature we getting him (he wouldn't be here had Porto not tried to mug us of Hulk) and the 'fact' that we have Moses and still need a winger/2nd striker proves my reasoning why it should have been Hulk instead of Moses (if Porto stuck to their 30Mil max)
@Mq
How many of the managers who did this are still managing? U are still clutching at straws, u don't get what u are talking about and its pointless going on with u, u didn't answer if walcott was better than moses or if moses wasn't a chelsea material now that he is starting and enjoying his game, I leave it to those who who have been following this up to decide what u are on about, I am sure in the near furture they'll refer to this link
Desmondadonis
read the 3rd comment for your answer lad....You didn't even read it did you??
@Mq
na wa o...Mq vs Desmondadonis.
lukakuta
Laughing, u can't stop commenting without lining ur comments with insult can u? First when does experience makes u a starter? Then I guess ferreira should start ahead of cesar azpilicueta by ur reasoning or what do u mean? 2. about Hulk and moses debate have been put to bed previously, as we chelsea would have been mugged if we got him even for 15m as he haven't offered or done anything to show that we ought to have paid for his service over moses's this season have he?, u are citing walcott who is not a starter for arsenal that he would be better than moses who is currently a starter for chelsea fc with its vast talent, so tell me how a player who is on the bench for arsenal starts ahead of a player who is currently starting for chelsea and staking his claim as a starter in chelsea's XI? And by the way, theo is 23 years old not 25, stop tweaking facts to make u look smart
Desmondadonis
Mr mq, kindly give this debate a rest, u are running out of options pls, its getting meaningless eigh? @lukakuta, no be only nawa this time na wa wa this time, but the guyman too dey yarn say him sabi pass every person for hia
Desmondadonis
...First when does experience makes u a starter? Then I guess ferreira should start ahead of cesar azpilicueta by ur reasoning or what do u mean?...how about that DESMOND, comparing Feirreirs to Walcott, talk about reasoning. *smh* #2.....bout Hulk and moses debate have been put to bed previously.....so why did you bring it up then?? *smh* again
@Mq
#3...u are citing walcott who is not a starter for arsenal that he would be better than moses who is currently a starter for chelsea fc with its vast talent...LoL 3 matches in and he's already a "starter" Niiiiice. In any case, why spend more for a sub then?? *smh* #4...And by the way, theo is 23 years old not 25, stop tweaking facts to make u look smart...thanks for the reminder, now it'd be very clever for the club to spend 12Mil on a 23year old to be a sub for a 9Mil 21 year old who isn't even world class?? What economical and functional reasoning, I rest my case :)
@Mq
Walcott is a better goal scorer than Moses and for that reason, among others, if we got him it justifies him starting ahead of Moses :)
@Mq
@mq,@desmondadonis,i joined vc abt 2years ago bt most time i just decide to read article and people's comments. I know @mq and his style but i just laugh at them.we need to mature in deal with ourselves.i believe u two can handle the conversation maturely.but honestly thats is the fun of a forum,bt dont let it get out of hand.....
lukakuta
Walcott is a better goal scorer than moses, that is very true (u got one single point afterall), among other reasons like what? I agree that he is better with his finishing, among other reasons like what @mq? He is stronger than moses? Can take on a players better than moses? Is He is more defensive than moses? And about the ferreira stuff, as I said, stop tweaking facts, I made a simple like for like example with the ferreira and cesar comparison not so? Why is marin who has a better goal record than moses before he was bought to chelsea, staying on the bench currently despite being fit?
Desmondadonis
watching chelsea's road to champions league finals. Just nostalgic.
Blue India
For starters DESMOND Ferreira is WAY OLDER than Azpi, Ferreira is 32 and Azpi 22/23, Walcott is 23 and Moses 21/22 which means you using Ferreira isn't a "like for like" analogy. Is Walcott better than Moses in defending you ask, well how "good" is Moses id defending?? Is Walcott stronger that Moses, well I'll say for Walcott's "weakness" he is faster than Moses, an asset which helps a great deal when counter attacking. Can Walcott take players better than Moses?? Well that he's that much experienced at the highest level (at just 23 years) speaks volumes about his potential and ability, hence for these reasons IF we got Walcott I'd start him over Moses, going back to my point that Moses isn't a "Chelsea starter" type of player ;)
@Mq
...Why is marin who has a better goal record than moses before he was bought to chelsea, staying on the bench currently despite being fit....there is a saying DESMOND, it goes "if some1 calls you a horse call them silly, if another calls you a horse then slap them in the head, but if a 3rd person calls you a horse then perhaps it's time you get a saddle". That RDM never played Marin, then Rafa plays him in 1 game (cameo 15minute appearance) and doesn't do so again means there's something about him that you and I aren't privy to @ the moment :) *it's early days though, perhaps he'll get more game time from Jan onwards
@Mq
Again clutching at straws @mq? Its over admit u don't have anything to say, re-read what u just wrote and it will make no sense, ferreira and azpi are RBs if that aint like for like what is?thank God u said u'll start walcott ahead of moses, thank God u are not rafa, u keep saying he is that much experienced at the highest level, as what pal? A squad player for arsene? So him being experienced makes him able to beat players?LMAO, keep clutching at straws, ur punchline are so weak
Desmondadonis
As proof that moses is very good at attack and defense, look no further than the westham game and the sunderland game, its says it all. :-), that's another K.O
Desmondadonis
You can't compare Ferreira-Azpi to Walcott-Moses combination purely because of age DESMOND, Ferreira is 34years old ffs *smh*
@Mq
I'll overlook the rest of what you said because for you to suggest we spend 12Mil on a "squad" player and spend 9Mil on a "non world class" player speaks columes about your so-called football knowledge.....You have seen there's no reason to spend more for a sub than a starter besides the 2 reasons that I, ME, MQ gave you and still you deny it, with ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for justification *smh*
@Mq
Take English lessons ffs, you clearly don't understand what I'm saying *smh*
@Mq
Your ignorance is annoying
@Mq
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