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Capital One Cup semi-final first leg - final scores, Chelsea 0 Swansea 2.

Even though the match statistics reveal Chelsea was the dominant side, but at the end it's the final score that really matters, such is the cruelty that football brings sometimes. Going through the match day thread, I was surprised to see ardent Chelsea fans still angry at yesterday's result when in truth the result only followed the story of our season so far.

I thought our expectations should have been on reset mode on the back of events that have both occurred previously and sadly events that might still occur in the near term. Instead of focusing on the obvious, such as Torres being done and dusted and Tubby benching an in-form striker for a mirage, I took a broader view and focused on what I consider the core issues with our present team largely considered to be in transition.

We have spent fortunes trying to assemble a new attack minded team but for me the key issue killing us is a lack of balance in a variety of ways. If these imbalances are not curtailed in the near term, it might have far reaching implications for the club.

Attacking third First - the attacking third and the pivot. We all know what the major limitation of playing MAZACAR is lack of natural width, needless to say, that was evident yesterday. The problem is there was only one natural winger on the bench to give some width. One could understand why Benitez did not start Marin as the guy is just building fitness and will take some time for him to start games consecutively.

Mata is the brain box of the team (sad but true) and when he is off the team is lethargic. But for that role there is no like-for-like replacement just yet. If Mata was fresh, the Swansea game would have been wrapped up in the first half. The dilemma is with the games coming thick and fast, how long can Mata carry on playing every three days without suffering a total burnout? (we'll be playing every three days till end of January, then Europa starts!!).

I would like to bring to our remembrance that the guy only managed to get 10 days off after the Euros and has played all almost all the matches this season. Pivot RDM introduced the 4-2-3-1 formation and it`s looking like we intend to stick with it even after his departure. The pivot is a very vital part of a 4-2-3-1 and in our present team, the pivot simply does not exist - fact, which has skewed the balance of the entire team structure.

Here are the combinations we currently have;

(Mikel and Romeu are excluded as one is away and other is injured. I am more concerned about our present results)

Rammy/ Lampard = box to box/orthodox AM in a 4-3-3 (e.g. cwc finals)

Rammy/ Luiz = box to box/ (DM/box to box/CB/) (vs Swansea)

Lampard/Luiz = orthodox AM in a 4-3-3/(DM/box to box/CB/) (vs Everton)

Key weakness of these combinations are: Disjointed transition (lack of CONSISTENT crisp and incisive ball distribution linking the defense to the attacking third), defensive indiscipline due to undefined roles and overall confusion (who stays deep, who attacks, who covers the full backs and center backs when they dash forward.).

While the pivot did not directly contribute significantly to our loss vs. Swansea, it does contribute in no small measure to the overall imbalance within our team at the moment. A traditional pivot has a schemer (or deep lying play maker) and a destroyer with well-defined roles.

There are numerous examples.

At Real Madrid, Alonso is more of the schemer, Khedira blocks and destroys. There is a clear understanding as they alternate attacks.

At Bayern Schweinsteiger is the schemer, Martinez/Gustavo blocks and destroys.

Even Tubby's Liverpool team, Alonso schemes and Mascherano blocks.

Arsenal is suffering at the moment due to a lot of factors but one of the most obvious weakness in that team is the lack of destroyer in the pivot at the moment (Diaby is the closest matured destroyer they've got and is always injured) as they play a combination of Arteta and Wilshre who are both schemers thus lacking steel in front of the back four.

Truth is we do not have the required overall squad depth (RW, CM, CF) as well as mix for the pivot within this present squad be. The type of midfielders we have (Rammy, Lampard, Luiz (if you see him that way)) at the moment favor a 4-3-3 more in my opinion, a formation that thrives on hard working box-box midfielders and a traditional anchor.

Conversely playing 4-3-3 will either push Mata to the right side of the attack as an inverted winger or make him the most advanced of the three midfields. In both cases, he'll have more defensive duties which is clearly not his strength and the team will still not be balanced so we are somewhat stuck with the 4-2-3-1 except we are prepared to bench the maestro.

The summary is our entire squad does not have the required depth and does not even have the complete personnel to play a 4-2-3-1 perfectly at this time. In terms of the players we have been linked with, the board might not be as clueless in terms of transfer needs as we make them seem on VC.

While I did not understand it at first, it now appears the thinking behind wanting to sign Isco is to rotate him with Mata, Taison to play as a RW since Moses is away and Marin still requires a bit more time (which we can`t afford) to play 90 minutes consecutively.

Moreover Walcott has agreed a new deal with Arsenal which makes the Taison signing more attractive at the quoted price of £11m. The Fellaini link for me is delicate and requires some thinking. Except we have other plans for him outside the pivot which is possible given that he is a utility player (e.g. rotate him with Mata to play a 4-4-1-1), pairing Fellaini with any of the other players we have at the moment in the pivot (except Oscar),will still leave the team unbalanced.

Oscar is the closest we have to a deep lying schemer. The alternative is to play Fellaini in the pivot next to a deep lying playmaker such as Benat or Montinho which requires spending more money and frankly I don't see that happening (i.e buying both Fellaini and a deep lying playmaker). Signing Fellaini could have made a lot more sense for the pivot if we had not extended Mikel's contract except we intend to sell one of Romeu or Mikel.

The last source of imbalance that I taught about is the popular manager instability. I keep trying to assess Tubby after each of our matches to see if he stands a chance of staying beyond his short contract.

While I admit that a complete assessment is rather early, I must say to arguments against seems to be a lot more than those for him to stay on. I have been doing a little work on the sequence (W-D-L) of every single match results he has had since his Liverpool days (Inter Milan inclusive) and while I have not concluded this exercise, his biggest problem appears to be his inability to string together a sustained winning run (except for the season Liverpool finished second in the league) and that is why he has not won much after his stint with Valencia.

Recent results do not suggest that is about to change and that alone is enough reason to be gone by the of the season . I intend to discuss the details of my findings at the right time (end of the season so I can include our results till the end of the season) with the aid of clear pictorials (uncle Merlin permitting).

If Tubby walks away at end of the season, I do hope the board and the owner understand the importance of stability and bring in someone who will stay with the team for 3-5 seasons at the very least without much interference. But right now, since we have chosen not to recall any of our highly talented youngsters, we will have to spend the cash in this window to bring in the reinforcements highlighted above and hopefully with loads of prayers, we can grab a champion's league ticket next season. I am blue at heart so I remain optimistic, Chelsea all the way.




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Writer: layorh12 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Thursday January 10 2013

Time: 5:10PM

Your Comments

heres hoping it all pans out
Clingy
A decent article layorh12 but unfortunately the obvious is the biggest problem. A hungry striker will lift the midfield, in fact the whole team, an apparently disinterested one is currently dragging the team down. I will support anyone in a Chelsea as long as they are trying, our 9, for whatever reason, did not try last night.
analooish
@analooish...why i played down the striker bit is even if we have Falcao...certain players playing every three days can never take us far...our overall squad is still quite light and actually totally lacks some specific skill set especially the RW, Pivot (DM and CDM)...If we address the imbalance within the squad..then it makes the job a lot easier...whoever the striker is....even though everyone knows torres is bad.
layorh12
What about character. Drogba, Lampard, Terry, Cole and many of those that came before (Makele) had it in droves. If you were up against it these are the kinda guys you could rely on. Look at their replacements who from the new mob could you rely on? Torres? Luiz (how many times has he gone AWOL when the chips are down?) ~ I won't go further with our players as we have a season to complete. As for Benitez, for me he's poison with the motivational capabilities of a dollop of bulls. We once bought footballing warriors, lead by men. We need more of the same to add the resolve to win by any means.
Pantisocrates
mtcheew!!!!what did you just say??You made whole lot of sense to youself I guees?
Hazard11
just play 4 1 2 3 syatem....everyone will play in their respective position.....chech...cezar iva cahill cole....luiz(dm)...oscar and mata behind ba as our no 10....hazard and marin on wings....we would get width as well both mata and oscar will play their natural position...i think this is the best option for us if we have to use our attacking option in full effect...but i dont understand how cant our managers dont even try this....olaying the same pivot and going nowhere...
shlok27
I've heard people on the radio saying the Stoke game is more important that's why we didn't start Ba. What garbage. For a young team winning a cup is more important, it gives them belief. If we drop points at Stoke we can make them up somewhere else, we are only going for 3rd or 4th, these teams drop points all the time. And anyway Chelsea are used to playing their strongest team in all competitions it was only last season when the league was long gone we started to rest players. Also, to play a cup semi-final without Terry or Lampard was crazy. We needed leadership so with Terry being injured Lampard should have started. Lampard & Ba played together for 10 minutes and managed to create a great goal which was wrongly chalked off no matter what Sky say. Torres should never play for Chelsea again.
CobhamBlue
@Panti..the character bit is delicate...asides Terry...players like Drogba, Lampard, Cole, Makalele..came to the chelsea with some level of maturity...the club's strategy at this time appears to be to sign really young folks and groom them to maturity while winning a fair share of trophies...that is why i continue to fault this rash action of letting the all the old guards go at the same time..since we dont have any considerable level of stability in terms of coaches (at least not yet)...the senior players would have played a huge role in grooming this young players to maturity and developing the 'character'....it is obviously another source of imbalance within the team...one can only hope the board has a clear workable plan...
layorh12
No chance for a Tubby contract extension but he's a good manager. I didn’t really rate him before he came to Chelsea but I can see changes in our team structure since he’s been here, that I was begging for in the early part of the season, so he has gone up in my estimation. We havent lost any games by more than the odd goal or due to individual error, so it means we’re a lot tighter at the back. With a little more playing time for Ba, we may yet go on a winning streak which turns our season around. Loosing a game to two really elementary errors doesn’t make you a bad manager. The sticking point is that he didn’t bring Ba on earlier, but he is the team manager and I think he was trying to manage Torres so as to keep him productive till at least the end of the season...that plan has clearly backfired now as I don’t see how FT9 (with his well documented mental fragility) can come on at Stamford Bridge in the future and perform. Keep the Faith y’all
JohnnyOz
a good observation and i agree that the weakness in our squad is in the pivot and the lack of width. I do not think fellaini is the answer because he plays alot better further up the pitch. I would prefer chelsea to sign benet from Betis as he has the qualities chelsea lack in the pivot. I think now we have Demba Ba the team should now look to go out wide and get crosses in. Playing through the middle becomes very predictable and the lack of width is costing us big time. It does not help when we have a non existent striker playing upfront.
MrDax
First a winger shouldn't be a priority because chelsea was never a team that played with a striker,secondly,you are talking of deeplying playmaker,with all the playmakers we have up the pitch what have we done with them,you tend to paint fellaini as a man not needed in the squad because you want a benat but let's be sincere,fellaini is best needed in our squad,though benat would make a good option for fellaini,the CF is also important because if you sign all the players in the pivot and RW,who will score those chances???even in barcelona where you have playmakers everywhere,their centr forward scores most of the goals,if we must get a rightwinger,we must get one that can score goals like ronaldo,if we can't as we know that there are none,then we must get a good CF,the team is creating the chances but aren't scoring them you can't get more wingers and a deeplying playmaker to create more chances when you know you won't score lot of them when torres plays.......we need a CM(either a benat or a fellaini) and a CF,I won't go for a winger now because we are not the type of team that plays wing football but united is that team
Hazard11
@Cobhamblue..the frustration is quite clear...but then thats what you get when you have Tubby as coach who i think is very self opinionated...i expect to see this type of bizzare actions till the end of the season..i mean how can you possibly explain the line up against QPR and the timing of yesterday's subs?...i can remember coaches like Hiddink and Jose making changes at any point in a given match if they think somthing is not right..but with tubby i dont understand...like i said, hopefully we can start afresh again (for the final time hopefully with some patience and planning)...when Tubby eventually leaves...i dont even think he feels bad about the losses to be honest..he knows its a marriage of convenience and is more concerned about his cv and next job..the feeling of hate between Tubby and the fans is mutual....
layorh12
I meant to say chelsea was never a team that played with a WINGER not a Striker,football is more than formation,tatics is as important as well,fergie plays a 4-4-2 and a 4-5-1 and both has proven successful for him so far,its not about getting this or that,its about playing a formation that suits your team,even if its a 3-5-2,man utd doesn't have the best defence or a best DMF,yet they are dominating england....formation or no formation what I see we need is a goal scorer to compete and assist demba ba and a CM,For the winger it isn't a priority
Hazard11
EA sport are thinking about removing torres from their fifa game....there is lot of complaints from clients that he is not even scoring there also...
shlok27
@Hazard11..''first a winger should not be a priority because chelsea was never a team that played with a striker''...finding it hard to understand you...i think our understanding of football is way different and it will difficult to discuss with you.....my point with fellani is that i dont think crisp passing from from deep midfield is one of his core strengths even though he is a fantastic player across the midfield...what i think is our core need is player that can dictate tempo from deep with some incisive passing beside a destroyer in the pivot...even if get Fellani (wh ich will be good) we willl still need a deep lying play maker...and ''with all the playmakers we have''..clearly you do not understand that there is vast difference beteween a playmaker who sits deep and initiates attacks..and one that functions in the attacking third..we have plenty of the latter (Hazard, Mata, Oscar(who i think can adapt to the deeper role))..and zero of the former...hence my view of the imbalance within the team..if you have problem understanding my decriptions..i fully understand that..its no worries..just jog on!!
layorh12
sorry Layorh12 that line up against QPR had more than enough quality to win the game. @Hazard11 so why not look to sign a winger? who says he has to play week in week out? at least its an option to have when we are running out of ideas. Chelsea do not have a plan B but with wingers along with Ba upfront we can play it out wide at times if we can not break teams down through the middle
MrDax
@Mr Dax...yes you have a point on paper those guys should beat qpr hands down...but what i am trying to fault is this over tinkering by Tubby somtimes which is really annoying...when you tinker with the squad way too often...it often leads to the team loosing momentum if you get what i am saying...what i have found about tubby is very interesting in terms of his ability to have a sustained run....I am sure his over-tinkering habits contributes in no small measure to erratic results.... but i will still wait till the end of the season before discussing the details...
layorh12
layorh12, massive frustration. On the basis that we've burnt our bridges with all the elite managers in Europe I'm starting a campaign to getting Michael Laudrup asap.
CobhamBlue
When Football Fair Play is introduced, Roman Abramovich will become a liability as opposed to an asset if he continues to run the club as it is done at present, having to pay managers off season after season and continuing to just buy players that do not make up a team which we are witnessing at present, problems lie ahead. Unless drastic changes are made, sadly it is difficult to see how things will change.
Blueheart9
It's important to know, when to cut the losses, and move on. Torres, as almost everyone had noted, is not suited, when playing against deep defenses as he lacks the natural imagination needed to make intelligent runs. Perhaps management is still hoping that Torres may eventually come good for the money that has been spend on him, but naive hope leads to frustrations and more loses. I do Agree, that to address the imbalance the team needs to add a quality play maker in the Pivot, Natural winger to add to the width and also in the future a mobile, reliable and quick Center Defender, as Ivanovic and Terry, as good as they are in the Defense are not suited to playing a high line or for quick reliable transitioning the ball out of the defense. There are a few coaches left, that are available and have the pedigree to coach a top team, so just firing Rafa without first addressing the core issue of the team will be a mistake.
r.morais
@CobhamBlue...the problem here is that any young coach that will be persuaded to come to chelsea will need a serious convincing...our precedents are just tooo terrible...AVB, RDM, Mou...., One can only hope the lessions have been learnt which i sincerely doubt..just look at Laudrup...reminds me of Rodgers...I dont think he will be overly excited about coaching chelsea...he will need to be convinced....thats if our board approach him though...you know he is not a big club coach at the moment...*wink wink!!
layorh12
We have not one player in this squad in my opinion who can play in a specialised double pivot. Fellaini,Capoue,M'Vila and the likes are all good shouts to fill it. People who say fellaini is better higher up are wrong. Yes he can play there and does a great job there but he is a DM by trade and its his favoured position to play also,if you want go to YouTube and watch his interview on football focus bbc1 and listen for yourself. People now going on about benat why wasn't you championing him before we were linked with him? BECAUSE YOU NEVER BLOODY HEARD OF HIM!!!! That really irks me. Why start going on about a player you never did before a paper or journo linked him? Some champion a player just because they like him or have watch him a few times and that's great. But to start championing a player and say he is the answer only on the basis of a journo or news paper is annoying. Lets hope the club but at least two new players if we are gonna carry on with 4231 if we playa a 433 the only one player is needed.
Dave-David
@r.morais..good stuff mate we are on the same page...early days but i honestly dont think i want tubby to stay beyond the end of the season...let's start again hopefully..and just try to get things right this time...We need to plan with a coach for the next 3-5 years at the very least...thats the only way we can move forward..we cant continue to sack coaches after a couple of bad results every single year...its just so bad!!!
layorh12
this force marriage should better get devoce oooo
Tala4good
@Tala4good...you got me laughing hard mate...its frustrating really but while I am arealist, I remain optimistic....albeit cautiously!
layorh12
@layorh12 we play 3 games a season and if we keep playing the same team then the players will burn out. QPR at home was the perfect time to rest hazard and mata. Plus everyone all season has been crying out for marin to play which he did but he along with moses, oscar and useless upfront had poor games. I do agree that Rafa over does is and no way should lamps and Ba have been rested for the swansea game.
MrDax
spot on MrDax...you know there is difference in attitude and approach of a coach who has a team in his heart and knows he will be around for a fairly long time and one who knows he is interim and might be gone soon anyways desperately looking forward and hoping for a big next job...?..for me that is th root of the problem with tubby...a very fraudulent short term view from the parties, built on a foundation that lacks trust...its who makes the first killer move...!..you sack me first..or i simply resign once i get the next big offer on the back my good results with the club...very machiavellain!!!
layorh12
@layroh I am so dissapointed,it seems you weren't able to grasp what I wrote,I tought I wrote another comment that clarified that quote u picked???,we don't play wing football,so getting a winger is not our priority,I never said we shouldn't get one!!!!Get a CM and a CF before you talk of getting a winger,we are creating enough chances and yet we aren't winning games we should win the day mata scores ago he is at his best,the day he doesn't score a goal he isn't at his best,you all forget he is a midfielder he has a greater ability to create than to finish,why get more players that we create more chances when you know you don't have enough personel to convert those chances???if you get a winger,he will have to create chances for the striker and we know they aren't born finishers so their goals per game ratio will not be so encouraging,that's why I said get a winger that can score like ronaldo or get a centre forward!!!!!!!..... ....You guys should read comments well before typing nonsense with your keyboard,I am not against getting a winger,but get one that will score lot of goals..
Hazard11
@Hazard...I am assuming the ''nonsense'' bit from your post is not referring to me in anyway...there is an imbalance within the team that needs to be addressed..in order to address it we need to sign more than one player in this window...the article did not address the order of importance of the signings but only discussed key areas we need to sort out...when MAZACAR plays..we lack width and the attacking third gets congested..Moses that gives width is off to afcon..We have Marin who still needs a bit of time to hit full fitness to be able to play 90 minutes every three days...hence the need for a winger...not a very expensive signing..just one who does the basic things right...hugs the line, can take on a player and has decent cross...when Moses comes back, they 'll compete...hopefully Marin can also build his fitness which makes things more interesting....hope I am clear...
layorh12
And now I am not saying get a ronaldo!!!! Because people like layroh will read the surface meanin and assume I said roman should go for ronaldo,I meant a get a goal scoring winger eg the el sharaawy,the neymar etc(there are others out there) if we can't get them,then we should go for a CF,we shouldn't be talking of signing creative wingers like taison that sores a goal in every 5games,we should be talking of goalscoring wingers if we must make wingers our priority now......
Hazard11
@Shlok..your 4-1-2-3 is interesting really but given that Mata does very little defensively...then it will still be an hybrid of 4-2-3-1...because Oscar will always come deeper to help with the defensive bit and also recieve the ball which will be almost equivalent to a deep lying play maker really...but the tweak remains very interesting...the downside for me really is that I am not sure how much Mata and Oscar can give defensively such that the overall balance of the team will not be affected....if i was the coach, i'll probably give it a try though...
layorh12
Hazard..kindly stop patronizing me....you are obviously not factoring the cost of getting those players into your thinking (Elsharaawy?..Neymar?)...we cant sign any of those in this window if you are realistic...and we cant sign CF instead of a winger at this time...because we lack natually width with Marin not fully fit....we need another young CF yes. to back up BA...but we also need another right sided winger with Moses who is our only real option away to afcon. the new RW does not have to be expensive like I said earlier...I think Taison or even Adam johnson will be fine.....if we get a cf instead of a rw (i think we need both)...then we will always play narrow with MAZACAR...and when teams park the bus and defend deep..it will become a problem...the same imbalance i was talking about...
layorh12
@ layroh,you told analooish that you played down the striker issue a bit,I am just trying to point out that we shouldn't play that down except we get a goal scoring winger....we just need someone that can score goals a lot be it a winger or a striker..I apologise for every wrong words I used in trying to bring my point out.....sorry layroh
Hazard11
Roman dosent want players with character any more cause he want guardiola and he can only have player who behave like little schoolboys! just look at what he did to Zlatan ibrahimovic! Roman tunrs out to be like wenger some years ago only buys 15-20 years old soon the away fans will sing pedo abramovic like they did to Wenger
Lakupiippu
@Hazard this thread is not about two of us...you build play from the back...and there has to be some organization before the ball reaches your striker...I am trying to address what i think the team's issues are....yes need a young striker as back up...but we also need width..and we need to fix the pivot..saying we should sign a CF instead of a RW...does not sound right...a wing forward will do (Taison is a cheap option if you try to factor in cost)...I am not in love with Taison in any way..all i am for are alternatives that are realistic given the short time we have and the looming FFP....
layorh12
I'd be interested to see how De Bruyne would work as the so-called "midfield schemer." He won't be recalled now, but he's a clever player with serious skills in terms of playing the long pass. He's got a good footballing brain and a wicked shot. It's worth looking at.
RadioactiveD
@Radio....I am all for KDB...he reminds of a young Schweinsteiger at that age...although defensively KDB will need a bit of improvement...I have watched him a lot at bremen and he is an immense talent...it'll take a tactically astute and brave coach to trust him there ..although if we never try we never can tell...but at chelsea the pressure for results tends to kill the coaches' ability to try new things...will that change soon?..i am not soo sure...especially if Roman remains trigger happy..!
layorh12
@Dave-David: VC members watch all major footy leagues. One of the VC member (I forgot the name) recommended BENAT for Chelsea and at that time Benat was not linked with ANYBODY. @layorh12: Nice article, finally somebody else agrees with me that we need quick/speedy CBs, everybody knows our team is not balanced, we need to stop experimenting with pivot and get the right players otherwise this season will go down the drain. We need a new striker, Ba will need rest sometime, our team morale goes down when Torres is in the team, I wanted Chelsea to sign Willian or Isco so we can rest Mata, what do you guys think of IAGO ASPAS, 25 (Celta Vigo)? He can play as a striker or winger. He has really good pace.
B2K420
Hahaha!!!funny you!we sat back and defended against barcelona,they had pedro and pedro is a winger,we sat back against bayern they had ribery and robben those are wingers,so playing wide with wingers does not guarantee you are going to beat a team that sits deep,I agreed we need a CM or a DMF,I am also saying that before getting a RW,we need to get a CF or a winger that can score goals,to beat team that sits deep is either a ride of luck,the work of a great tactician or the presence of players with character,so if you are talking of sitting deep,you are not supposed to call a right winger instead you should call a striker like chicharito that presses the last defender anc causes trouble in the box with his movement not a right winger that will use the width blah blah blah....... ....Be it a CF or a Winger(Young or Old),he should be able to score goals that's what we need not a winger that will run the length of the pitch and pull a cross in..... ....besides this article is annoying me,first you don't want fellaini,you need a benat who is a midget,you get a rw that uses the width and crosses the ball into the box,the only treath there will be the striker because hazard,mata,benat,mikel etc are all midgets,so it will be easy for the 2 centre defenders to mark the striker since they know he is our only ariel treath,even if he uses the width and crosses it along the ground because we don't have ariel treaths,that will be more easy for the opponents to clear out,you don't just write an article because you think we need this or that,you consider the whole team and the effect of your target in the team,you need a right winger that uses the width so he can pull out,you need tall strikers and tall midfielders because when there are more than one ariel treath in the box then the defenders will find it difficult compared to when there is only 1 tall striker and short midfielders....its a nice article though,we need a CM,A CF and maybe a RW but we can't get a benat and someone that will use the width and cross the ball when the only person you are aiming at is your striker,the defenders wouldn't be that stupid,at least 2 defenders will be assigned to mark the striker and it will make the balls coming in useless and your rw useless,even if u a rw that loves cutting in instead of pulling out,it wouldn't make any difference when playing against a team that sits deep,that brings us back to the fact that we need another goal scorer not only someone that can use the width!!!!!
Hazard11
I refused to be drawn into any argument,the board makes their decisions and they know what's best for the club,we are all entitled to our opinions and we all want the best for the club be it one way or the other,but one good thing is that I have learnt a lot here,the VC family is a big family and we all love chelsea fc as that is the most important thing....if I have offended anyone here today,I just want to say I am sorry!!!
Hazard11
@Hazard this will probably be my last post on this discussion with you...Where did the article say I dint want Fellani?...please get your facts right...the primary reason why width is needed in our team is not for the crosses...its to stretch teams that sit deep (when the RW hugs the line), its after that you can talk about the crosses....I have said it earlier, our understanding of football is clearly different and we are just going to keep arguing..unfortunately I am not down for that...after considering the our present squad, i think we are couple of players away from having the required depth as well as balance required for the 4-2-3-1, MY VIEW is that we need to fix the pivot by primarily signing a deep lying schemer, have a sense of width (since Moses is away for Afcon and Marin is not yet fully fit) and get a back up for BA...not necessarily in that order...I have said it before, if the article irritates or annoys you, why bother? just jog on...m done with you!
layorh12
An alternative will be to fix the pivot by getting a schemer and then sign a single player to back up BA as well as provide width on the RW. An example is Walcott who unfortunately will be staying with the gunners...from what I have read and since about Taison which could be myopic, i think he could fit in..if not any other player identified would do so long as he has the characteristic and is not overly expensive...enough said.
layorh12
*from what I have read and seen not ''since'' about Taison..lol
layorh12
Benitez is a good manager? Rubbish! As if losing to West Ham and QPR wasn't bad enough.
foreign_viewer
layor: I'm concerned with the club's habit of acquiring young talent and then loaning them into oblivion until they finally sign elsewhere. Often, they really aren't good enough--meaning they wouldn't realistically impact the CFC starting XI. Often they don't reach the heights expected of them. Kakuta comes to mind. But we do have young talent abroad that I really like, and I feel confident they'd be useful. For instance, what happened to Bruma? I admit that I can't watch the Bundesliga as often as I'd like, but he was a big talent at the academy. Josh McEachran--a similar problem has emerged. Lots of hype, and I doubt he'll ever return for good. We're not even talking about the lad anymore. I'd hate to see that happen to De Bruyne. He's too promising a player not to get a real chance at the club.
RadioactiveD
layor: I'm concerned with the club's habit of acquiring young talent and then loaning them into oblivion until they finally sign elsewhere. Often, they really aren't good enough--meaning they wouldn't realistically impact the CFC starting XI. Often they don't reach the heights expected of them. Kakuta comes to mind. But we do have young talent abroad that I really like, and I feel confident they'd be useful. For instance, what happened to Bruma? I admit that I can't watch the Bundesliga as often as I'd like, but he was a big talent at the academy. Josh McEachran--a similar problem has emerged. Lots of hype, and I doubt he'll ever return for good. We're not even talking about the lad anymore. I'd hate to see that happen to De Bruyne. He's too promising a player not to get a real chance at the club.
RadioactiveD
Sorry about the double post. Not sure what happened there.
RadioactiveD
@Radio...your worries are very real...although 'll attribute the wasting talents mostly to the managerial instability....RDM loaned Josh to Middlesbrough for a reason...but he is gone...when Josh comes back, he will be a subject of fresh scrunity from a new manager...who might have other ideas...we seem to have a good strategy in place in terms of scouting for top talents at a very young age..but the strategy is actually self destructive in that the talents are mostly wasted because there is no structure for the best of them to transition into the first team..as far as I am concerned..Bertrand was damn lucky...events at the time favored him..i have high hopes for Josh, KDB, Kalas, Bruma (i think he is good enough) and i hope somehow these will find their way into the first team...lets assume a coach like Rodgers is the next coach for the next 3-5 years, then we'll have plenty of these of boys in the firstt team in no time..but such will require time and patience which for some reason is lacking in chelsea..the talent is there, they only need an environment and a coach that will give them confidence...i mean look at suzo, sterling, wisdom, chambalin, shaw, shevley, Wilshere e.t.c thats what happens when a coach gives a young player confidence...it never happens at chelsea as coaches that tried it a bit dint stay long enough to complete the process....we need to get this coach stability thingy right meen..its sooo important to the club's strategy, I wonder why the owner and board seem not to see these things...God have mercy!
layorh12
*scrutiny..sorry
layorh12
A 4-3-2-1 system (which can easily transform into an asymmetrical diamond 4-3-1-2) would accommodate our current playing staff pretty well. It doesn't make people on these forums happy because for whatever reason this forum has an obsession with 'natural wingers', but it can be an extremely effective system, and we've got the players for it (with sufficient depth).
Slein Jinn
Interesting discussion. I wish i could say i was optimistic but i think our biggest problems are at the head of our club and i dont see any willingness to change bad old habits. I fear things will have to get much worse before they will ever get better.
GabeU
The reason why the team is not balance is becos the board keep buying players for the manager, forgetting he's the manager that know the structure and knows the way he wants to play. Example sheva was a failure at Chelsea becos mourinho knew he won't suit the style of Chelsea and he was proved right, same as ancelloti didn't want toreros at Chelsea not becos he wasn't a great player but becos he knew he wasn't the player Chelsea needed and also he wasn't a Chelsea type player. A Typical kind of Chelsea striker is Suarez don't rely on midfielders to create chances he scores goals without no help. Pls roman and your goons stoop buying players for the manager and also get a proper manager at the end of the season so we can balance the team.
Pila12
GabeU: they're getting worse, that's the thing. We're out of the CL. We keep missing out on trophies. We've got Tubby at the helm, which is ludicrous in and of itself. I'm not entirely confident we'll make the top four this season--and then what happens? Where do we go from there? Make no mistake, we could become another Liverpool if we're not careful. The downward slide happens the minute you're out of the CL. It's so difficult to recover from that. On a slightly different subject, we don't talk enough about the fact that Tubby inherited an Inter Milan side that was essentially the same one that won the CL under Mourinho. What did he do? Take them to mediocrity, and in a manner so swift that it requires a special kind of idiot to pull it off. The difference at Chelsea is that he inherited a squad in the midst of an identity change, which makes it all the more difficult for anyone to succeed. Tubby isn't the right man for this job, and we should all be very worried about the outcome of this season in the league. I'm preparing myself for Europa League next season.
RadioactiveD
layor: I like Bruma a lot as well. He'd be useful and I really wonder if he'll ever return.
RadioactiveD
And that is why we need to start campaigning for Jose Mourinho @Pila12
Gaban
@layorh,What of a back up goalie?? Its a deeper issue,turnbull is useless,hilario is a waste of space...God help us at stoke if cech doesnt make it
Ken4CFC
At inter injuries played a huge part in screwin rafa as key players such as julio cesar,samuel,lucio,motta,sniedjer,milito,chivu e.t.c were notable long term absentees
Ken4CFC
At inter injuries played a huge part in screwin rafa as key players were such as julio cesar,samuel,lucio,motta,sniedjer,milito,chivu e.t.c were notable long term absentees
Ken4CFC
Sorry for the double post**crap pc
Ken4CFC
I don't think Turnbull has done much of anything wrong since Cech was injured. So what exactly makes him useless? All we can really do is evaluate players on how they perform. As for Rafa at Inter, are you suggesting that they didn't have adequate cover to be successful? If so, we disagree.
RadioactiveD
RadioD i do agree with you that i dont feel we are headed in the right direction and i also agree as you have hinted that Rafas man management skills have never been his strong suite. That was what got him in trouble at Valencia, at Liverpool and at Inter. I think we are close to a cross roads as a club and Roman is playing a very high stakes Russian Roulette game with the club. He sacked RDM at the first chance he saw thinking he could get a bench warmer to keep things stable till he can get pep but this whole thing is blowing up in his face. Pep sees Rafa as a big uncle..he has the utmost respect for the man as a coach and fellow spaniard..the recent spate of Roman inspired sackings have not brought Pep any closer. If Rafa gets canned before the end of the season i can almost guarantee there is no way Pep will step into the chelsea position..it is just a respect thing..i would be shocked if that happened and it would mean i have seriously misjudged peps character. If he fails to secure him when pep finally makes makes his decision i doubt that Roman and the board have a plan B. Can you imagine us heading into the summer again with no coach in sight and out of the top 4? Some time back when i wrote in an article and indicated that we should not forget the example of Liverpool and what happened to them after the won the Champions league in the miracle of istanbul many said i was just being an alarmist..honestly i hope they are right and i end up being wrong..for the clubs sake.
GabeU
@GabeU, If Pep don't join, RA should hire Steve Clarke, Ray Wilkins (LOL) or Michael Laudrup.....That is if JM says RA to go screw himself LMAO LOL :D :X Oh man..., on a serious note maybe Diego Simeone, but who will want to come and manage CFC, where a manager doesn't control shiet??? How do we ever build for the future with no manager in place for the long term???
Tiraspol
Jovetic!!! can play as a winger a striker or second striker!!! simple plus Benat and we are set!! I want to see Negrado as well Jovetic would be the most expensive one ..
denverblue
I hope Watford wins promotion next season. Perhaps Gianfranco Zola would want to save the club he loves if given the opportunity. With him, our youngsters definitely will have their chances, and maybe challenging for the 1st team spots. The only thing I fear is our owner may yet mess up with another Chelsea idol. He just doesnt care, does he?
Gaban
the more I read these comments on these thread, the more i am convinced that the imbalance is far broader than my tots before putting up the article...really scary stuff..@Pila the board signs players for the manager bcos its common knowledge that at chelsea teh manager is always the fall guy when things go wrong and cant be trusted with signings as he might not be around to complete his vision so Emenalo and Roman seem to be the think tank behind signings which is bizzare and sad really..@Radio and @GabeU your posts sting like a bee but they are damn true, ts not looking like the owner got the tubby call right at all...Tubby cant sustain success anywhere (even though he can have bursts of it) because he is very self opinionated and very erratic in terms of decision making..i dont know what attracted him to chelsea in the first place (to manage Torres?..that would be plain) stupid)..while I have lowered my expectations prior to now...tots on here suggest I lower my expectations even further..sad!!!
layorh12
I think, instead of selling Torres, we can utilize him as a wide-striker. Coz I've noticed his passing from the wide areas is quite good. His dribbling in wide areas is much better than in the box. He also helps out in defence. So, we buy another quality striker (need not be super expensive) and use Torres as the wide-striker. What do the experts here have to say about this?
nite1010
I hate to say this, but the whole midfield looks disgruntled when they see torres in front of them, no matter how hard they work. He doesn't make their efforts pay by finding the back of the net.
shaf86
There nothing wrong with Emenalo's signings. It's the one Roman wanted that the problem, Torres.
foreign_viewer
Thats It @F-V....Torres is the problem. Had Ba started we would have been 4 up @half time, we were slicing their defence over and over but our CF was nowhere to be found. Yes, Mata was off form but Ba would have done the job singlehandedly. Did you see the impact he made in 9 mins??? What I liked about him was the way he came out for his goal, very swift and brilliant. He chested it and slammed it into the net, he scored out of nothing. Now Roman has a new Drogba!!!!
SameX
@FV...yes you are right in a way as almost all Emanalo's signings have been decent...but then dont you think there is something wrong with this present structure?...where the coach has next to zero say on who the club signs...I cant imagine any other top club that is run this way (Manure, Arsenal, Madrid, Barca, Bayern)..and the reason why this is done in chelsea is because like i said earlier every one knows that when things go wrong, the coach is the fall guy..he could be sacked anytime...we have to give who ever the next coach is gointa be some say in these things (player recruitments, Youth development and overall long term planning)..that fact the Emenalo's signings have been good does not make the present process right...the Coach should identify who he wants, then discuss with Emenalo and they make a decision together...but that can only be possible if the coach and Emanalo both know that the coach will be around for a considerable period.
layorh12
@SameX..loool.who makes the DROG-BArk??..BA BA BA BA!!!.....on a more serious note though, asides torres which for me is a forgone case...we still need couple of signings (since there are no loan recalls)...to be that complete team we wanta be...I am seriously looking forward to what the club will do in the coming weeks..crossing my fingers!
layorh12
Turnbull has done so much wrong,in the past 3 games we have been rarely tested at the back but any real chance the opposition gets ends at the back of the net..did u see his positionin for SWP's goal? my oh my a decent goalie could have done better,dont u tink our recent losses also screams goalkeepin deficiency? We better get a decent back up or else we are in to be screwed.God help us if cech doesnt return soonest.
Ken4CFC
Yea they didnt have adequate cover to be successful,the expectations for the new season was so high considerin the fact that they won the treble the season before..and injuries to core memebers of the mourinho's team hit the like a tsunami and they never recovered from it even after rafa was sacked
Ken4CFC
Why is Torres almost always standing outside the box when crosses come in? Does anybody understand why? What keeps him outside the box?
foreign_viewer
Of course @Layorh we need a RW, CM and Isco, for the reasons you mentioned. Nice Article btw, I enjoyed it.
SameX
The rumours of Isco, Taison and Benat are beginning to make sense. Good job Emanalo.
SameX
I see no reason why Ba should not be a regular starter like Mata, we should play him in every game from now on and bring Torres on after 65mins.
SameX
Is Isco move still on? The rumour of him joining us is very quiet now.
icebluelg
@layor, nice post mate, I tried posting an article yesterday, but I have a problem validating my email password on my mobile, where I think our real problem lies on field, I'll try to do something about it today, nice article and I agree to some of your points, most expecially the rafa lack of stringing wins together without goofing an obvious win, as gabeu said the other day, can a leopard change his spots or a zebra its stripes, we warned u guys about rafa most expecially his thoughtless tinkering atimes and most people here shouted us down claiming we are not over RDM.... Really laughing my arse out at the myopic fans, wouldve love to join in the debate here but I am a tad busy, I'll chat u guys later....
Desmondadonis
I never ever thought I would hear myself saying this, but what we need is for Roman to get Pep as the new coach. Perhaps then we will have manager stability for a while and a Board that works with the coach rather than against them all the time. Any other manager and the story will repeat itself. It's a very sorry state of affairs and the blame lays with Roman entirely. Just before Robbie's sacking I was saying we needed a defensive coach urgently, someone to organise and identify responsibility to Luiz, Cahill & Brana primarily. That was all that was wrong (apart from the perennial FT issue), but Roman pushed the destruct button once again. Having said all that, Pep in an alien country managing Chelsea, I honestly don't think he could handle the pressure. Much like Benetiz, he will go through the motions, but he won't sweat it over a club that he doesn't have in his heart. However, we might at least then have RA think he is not a better manager than the man he employs in the hot seat.
BlueABS
Do I want Pep at Chelsea? Or Benitez? Not in any lifetime !!!!
BlueABS
The question of a manager MUST be dealt with once and for all.having a manager every now and then will constantly make us have these sort of articles endlessly.reason being that every manager who come in will only play his style and thus recommend the purchase of players who suits his sytem of play.more so,roman needs not interfere with players acquisation,let it be a job of the manager and club director of tootball.
blue5
Will Pep come? I very much doubt it. Not if he's got any sense, he won't.
BlueABS
Torres has now lost the fans support, and that was about the only thing he had going for him. He looks like a man who is not happy in his job, we have all been there, if you hate your job or workplace, then you lose your edge. He almost seems to deliberately put himself in the wrong place all the time, maybe he feels the only thing he can offer is space to his team-mates by drawing defenders away with him. Other than that he contributes nothing. The bloke is embarrassing himself and this Club. It's hugely embarrassing that Ba in one game and 10 minutes has already shown him up as a waste of space. It's hugely embarrassing and destructive that the Board to save face has restructured manager and squad just to make this pile of poo turn his fortunes around. Enuff is enuff, as they say, he has to go, RA has to take the hit, the Club has to suffer the embarrassment across the football world. But will FT recognise this himself, and ease the divorce, or will he take the Club & RA to the cleaners. The verdict is out on that one I fear.
BlueABS
Lets change our jersey 4rm blue to red,that would resurrect poores..lol
Ken4CFC
Torres has become another Malouda, except the stakes and profile are much higher. Long contract with high wages and no return, absolutely zilch. At least with Malouda we got a season and a half of fantastic quality.
BlueABS
The one thing that kept Torres sweet with the fans was his effort, the goals would no doubt come we all thought. But now, there isn't even any effort being shown and that is unforgivable.
BlueABS
@layor...we had tried everything playing pivot dint work...playing two defensive midfielder didnt work...then also we let goals...he best way isplaying the 4 1 2 3...with luiz as dm..oscar nd mata can take the no 10 spot...haz and marin will provide us the width which we needed...luiz shoul be our dm...thats means he dosnt have to come foward because oscar can play little deep if we want and can provide th link between attack and defence....there is no rocket science..it simple we are making it complicated dont kno wh....i dont understand why our managers and board are making it worse for ourselves....just play BA Thats all you have to do ifyou have win something or stay in cl next seaso...
shlok27
Was speaking to a top CPO member this morning,and it appears there's truly mayhem at the club. The booing of Bruce buck when he made his way down the pitch to present Petr Cech with an award was the most united he had seen Chelsea fans in recent times. That in itself says a lot. According to him 'The Club has lost its soul. You can argue what the 'soul' of the club is,but I feel fans are the soul of the club. The tension at the bridge is immense,fans and board on opposite ends,Chelsea fans are at the most divided I have seen in recent times". I haven't said much on here since the Swansea defeat,as some comments during the 'Match day Thread' *****ed me off. This is beyond signings,its not about formation or tactics either. Its much bigger than that,we are basically feeling an after effect shock in our performance on the pitch.
nelyvanile
@BlueABS,i have been ponderin on that too,poorres before,makes effort,creatin chances upon chances,assistin goals and workin his socks off but wasnt scorin..we all thought well with time the goals would come but what we see from him today is a pain to the eye,he looks disinterested and lacks the passion to succeed,its a shame and such a player do not deserve to wear our blue jersey
Ken4CFC
By "Soul" they mean Lampard leaving and Rafa.
foreign_viewer
still trying to figure out what is so simple...cfc is cursed when it comes to owners. yes we owe our success to roman...i get that...but every failure since mou left is down to roman...every success since thenis down to the players. they bailed him out last year by exhibiting player power and ousting avb and subsequently won the ucl...player power also ousted scolari who was a fool who benched drogba in his prime...our success after mourhino was inspite of roman and he knows that and it makes him mad...that is why he is dismantling the player poor so that he can have full control...our problems have roman at the core...even when ray and ancelotti we heading things up he had fudge everything up by firing ray...and upsetting the balance which lead to the purchace of his girlfriend and then the dismissal of ancelotti...
Gian-Franco/Luca
@nite1010: Torres as a right winger that is what Pep suggested as well, great mind thinks alike, lol. I do agree he will be more useful on the right wing than in the striker position.@shaf86: You are right Torres brings the whole team down. When Ba scored his 2nd goal against Southampton all front players looked shocked, why because they have never seen Torres score a goal like that by muscling out the defender. If you ask mazcar & the rest of the team who they prefer as a striker, the honest answer will be Ba. @SameX: You are right Ba would have scored had he started and we would have won the game. @foreign_viewer: He is always outside the box because that is the only time NO DEFENDER is on his A**, he knows he can out muscle them so he chickens out of the box, he knows in the box he has no chance of scoring because of his c*** upper BODY STRENGTH.
B2K420
@Ken4CFC - There is a certain amount of burnout apparent with Torres, he has been playing every game pretty much. But isn't that what he wanted? to be the main man? Trouble is he cannot man-up to the task.
BlueABS
@icebluelg: I think we can sign ISCO only if we are reay to pay 30-35m, to sign him for anything less will be difficult as other BIG clubs will like to have him in there squad. @BlueABS: Opposition defenders have stopped tracking Torres that is when he is trying to make space for his team mates so he has NO USE in the team. We can always put him on the wing.
B2K420
he knows he *cannot* out muscle them.
B2K420
This team had to transition at some point, i think we should have started properly 2 seasons ago but Roman wasnt too sure about investing in a new team. Winning the UCL changed that and he has since gone into overdrive in trying to build a new capable of challenging for honours. I am a bit disappointed with a lot of the comments i see which disregard all the effort the club is putting in atm...its like the new breed of CFC "fans" expect us to be at the top all the time but this is a little detached from reality if i'm being honest. No club has the right to do this.... As long as we maintain our top 4 finish this year, the future remains very bright for CFC, with the mix of extraordinarily talented youngsters we have and the investment in top class young talent. These guys will start to bloom in the coming years once theyve won something together. What i really detest is the RA bashing i see sometimes, the majority of the people here spend max £1200 on a season ticket and would like to see their opinions of team play reflected in the team. Why should RA be any different after having invested £1.5bn. Roman may be part of the problem but he is also the a very big part of the solution which is more than a lot of us can say. It is fine to have our individual opinions but that doesnt make them correct, as we are so removed from the day to day running of the club. For me this squad is not very far off from being a world beating side...so what if we have a manager we're not crazy about (we can have our opinions but we cant argue with the facts which are that we have won 6 out of the last 7 away games but have only won 2 out of 7 home games)...is that all down to RB or do the SB faithful need to look within?....In my eyes, RB can never be the permanent Chelsea manager and will be replaced in the Summer, so why wont we support our team and owner at home till then?...So what if RA makes wrong decisions sometimes? His decision to keep Super Frank on 150k pw was a good one in 2009, wasnt it? he has also made some good ones like 1) buying chelsea when things were about to go awry under Batesey 2) Hand picking Jose Mourinho and getting him to build the squad (mind you - Mourinho has never spent more than 3 yrs at any club so some food for thought when blaming RA for his departure) 3) Same number of trophies won as Manure since RA took over at SB I just think that if we support the team properly at home this season and refrain from this perilous blame game which is what i see a lot of on some of these discussions, we could yet surprise ourselves this season, despite Benitez Bring in Fellaini or benat and Taison...Ensure we finish in the top three this season. look at any other trophies as bonuses, and re-assess the picture for next season, with Mourinho in charge, i think we could have a very special next 4/5 years with this squad in the making Keep the faith you Chels...
JohnnyOz
@BlueABS,he even had the effrontery to go mouthing to the press about how he has been mistreated and his sulkin after we won the CL..instead of shutin the feck up and doin his job,he should be happy we have done so much for him but he has given a zero return of romans' £50m and that is how he wants to be the main man when we have a roaring DROGBA
Ken4CFC
Spot on @JohnnyOz, thanks for that beautiful comment... It shares some of my expressed views. Some fans here believe the booing and hostility at SB should continue and yet feel it can't affect team performance/morale.... I can only shake my head in disbelief for such fans.... We may refuse to admit it, we fans are a huge part of the problem.. like you pointed out, some of us see our views as the ideal and yet feel RA has no right to exercise his own views. All we do is come here to rubbish and criticize every effort made by RA and the management. I'm not saying these guys are perfect but hey, they are not idiots.. Most of us feel we are wiser than these guys, well, that may be true and I'm not really bothered... but can't these fans be reasonable enough to understand that Rafa will be gone by summer and it's a difficult time for us now and the best they can offer is just shut up and support the team... be hostile to opposition teams but show love and support to your own team.... You've said a lot and every sentence in your comment makes sense to me....
Latunvic
@johnnyoz, you have some valid points, but I am skceptical about us making top 4 this season with the way we can't really guarantee beating even mid table teams, swansea weren't that great as most people see them, they are a good team, but on a good day this kind of team should not beat us when we played on top of our game, remove torres laclustre performance and u'll see that this lad tried a lot, benitez will continue to tinker mindlessly with this team as he did in his pool days and now his time at chelsea, how in God's name will u drop an in form striker for a striker u admit urself is knackered, so resting him in one game would make him regain his strength? Left for me, I'll interprete what he did against the swans as telling BA that hey lad, u are just here as a backup for my amigo torres, I still have the exclusive right to chose whoever I want regardless of form, instead of telling torres he believes he needs more rest and would get his chance when he is fit to compete and fight as the worthy no.9 to lead the team, having played 99% of our games this season,
Desmondadonis
Ba is the solution to everything that is wrong with our team, dont tell me all is fine and dandy with the Manchester clubs, but they make up for it with their sharp and no nonesense strikers. What can we say about ourselves? Torres? Torres will not even make the bench of QPR based on his present form. The days of pampering Torres are over, if we truly have the love of our club at heart. Let's start the man who will always get the job done- BA!
objectivekritic
Lads* the team played well collectively except the mistake of iva and perhaps torres doing the disappearing act
Desmondadonis
Neil Ashton says Torres has been telling team mates that he'd rather be at Liverpool. If this is true, then Torres is the most confused ******** in the world.
zilosxp
@desmonadonis True that! I dont fault the performance of the team, just that there was no proper striker to bully Williams and Chico Flores, as they had a field day against Torres. The earlier we give up on Torres, the better for the reminder of our season. How can you compare a predator(Ba) with a scavenger(Torres)?!
objectivekritic
He is very lucky. If I was at the bridge, I would risk jail term the next time he walks onto that pitch. Idiot.
zilosxp
Okay mate...That's where you have it all wrong,fans are no zombies who go to games and cheer every time. As much as they have their right to cheer the team,they can also show displeasure when they feel the need to. Its emotions involved here! I'm not one to boo my team,but I do understand where fans are coming from when they do the booing. Its hard sitting in the stands singing ur lungs out and the lads on the pitch are showing a lackluster attitude or approach to the game. Its not about the winning its more about the attitude on show. There's no player a fan loves more,than one that gives his all on the pitch (ask any fan of any club). You wanna see your player bursting their buts out there for the team,giving a 101% regardless of the opposition,atmosphere,or manager.
nelyvanile
@objectivekritic,i agree with u...Yes mikel is slow,ramires cant pass,luiz is erratic,lampard is indisciple but with them we have created bucket load of chances only for our #9 to fluff them,fall of the ball,get easily knocked off e.t.c(one way or the other he kills the move) and many times than none he goes utterly missing in games,our team is screaming for a finisher yet all hear here is deep-lying playmaker,wil the DPL convert our chances?? Now we have the solution to our problem in BA,just get him a backup(s) because poorres is finished
Ken4CFC
@ JohnnyOz, there is one particular person who I have concluded to be very anti Roman.He attributed the CFC success to the Players and the failure to the Roman. But he forgot to add without Roman Chelsea would probably be a mid table team with the financial situation they where in before he came to the rescue. I remember JT words during the CL parade. That ROMAN was the one that made it possible for CFC to be champion of Europe. I am happy someone within, one of the soul of the team remember that.
jollyheart Torres
"Indiscipline" not "indisciple"
Ken4CFC
@nelyvanile Our comment is absolutely spot on! Do you know I never felt bad, when Ivanovic gifted Swansea the first goal? You could see he wasnt happy, and he wanted to make for it. Ivanovic had better goal attempts than Torres had all game. Do you doubt that? That's the attitude that consoles you as a fan watching from the stand, knowing the players are giving their all. It makes you feel somewhat better!
objectivekritic
@ JohnnyOZ I agreed with ur post. it seems most people forget where CFC was before he came. All the high expectations of today is all due to just one man ROMAN. The CPO are only concern that CFC played at Stamford, probably won't mind a non league CFC playing there.
jollyheart Torres
So the fans should keep booing the team at the expense of results??
Ken4CFC
Typos *Your comment is absol......... *make up for it.
objectivekritic
Looking it at it from another point of view...Fans favorite and Legend RDM was sacked and replaced by an unpopular character among the Chelsea faithfuls Rafa benitez. Rafa so far has the poorest run of all managers in the Roman era in his 1st 14 games further resulting to more hostility from the fan base. The media are having fun picking us apart and creating more hostility with their garbage news and fans bringing out their spoons and scooping it(according to a friend on twitter).
nelyvanile
Roman has invested a lot of money in the past year or so but how much of it has been wisely? We keep hearing talk of adding more and more attacking midfielders. Why? Man Utd have shown that to succeed in the Premier League - although admittedly not necessarily in Europe - all you need are a stack of top quality strikers. Despite Wednesday's fiasco, by Premier League standards, we have a solid defense so instead of buying all these small AM start buying strikers. Ba is obviously a good start but we need at least 2 more - one of which should be absolutely top drawer - and get rid of pretty boy. If we do that it is a guarantee that we will be up there fighting neck and neck with the Mancs for the title. More midget midfielders will get us nowhere near winning the league, although with a decent striker we should finish 3rd.
CobhamBlue
CPO chair Trizia Fiorellino; "I think if we don't perform and we go a goal down it could get really nasty," she said. "If he keeps on losing games then this will continue. "The fans are in turmoil. There are those that won't accept Benítez at any price, and you have those that feel the current situation is not doing the team any good and feel that they should just accept it until he has gone. That has caused arguments in the stands and scuffles. A couple of people came to blows [on Wednesday]. It was a really sad state of affairs. "He [Benítez] isn't helping himself with the fans by not making changes. Previous managers did, but he doesn't seem to want to and that smacks of arrogance." That's how bad it is...A mate of mine also said there was a fight between Chelsea fans after the game against southampton on their way home in a train,the issue being Rafa the gaffer.
nelyvanile
Man utd has that much striker bcos they play a formation that is obviously different from ours damnit!! Can't we all understand that most of this high scoring teams are not playing 4-damn-3-1, they are playing with 2-3 strikers at the same time atimes, can't we see that this might be the real problem!! The blimey formation
Desmondadonis
If roman didnt spend wisely,then how come we are the champions of europe?? If he was so foolish in spendin we should have been like qpr or worse case-relegated
Ken4CFC
Cant u see that we creating lots of chances with our 4-damn-3-1 formation??but our striker(poorres) has failed to convert,our team is screaming for a finisher(a certain BA comes to mind)
Ken4CFC
No one is disputing Chelsea Success in recent times under Roman. It would be totally blind to do so. The fault is...we are not functioning like a well oiled machine that can work consistently for years with a few servicing here and there. We are more like a stop and go machine,faulty parts are replaced and we function again,another fault appears,we replace and function again. We have been doing this for the last 5-6 years.
nelyvanile
2 seasons ago was our defending as we were short in defence,last season was our creativity,this season is our striking/CM. If there was a plan and strategy implace for a certain playing style this should have been addressed before the season began. A lot of people have complained about our CM and Striking position,well we let Meireles,Essien,and Drogba go without any real replacement in those positions. Does that sound like a club functioning with a valid plan in place.
nelyvanile
Ken4CFC, If may have escaped your notice but the reason we are Champions of Europe is because of Drogba, Lampard, Cech, Cole, Terry, Kalou, Malouda with the addition of Iva, Cahill, Luiz, Mikel (all defensive) Ramires and Mata. With special emphasis on the "old guard" all of whom, except Cech, are on the way out. I'm talking about the recent attacking purchases, Marin, Oscar, Hazard, Moses etc. We're currently 14 points behind Man Utd so things aren't going that well at the moment. I know that with a decent striker things would be better but I'm not convinced these new players can do it when it really matters. So far Hazard looks way over priced at £32m. He had a few good games in August when he looked unstoppable, since October he's looked very stoppable.
CobhamBlue
@cobhamblue, that's part of what I am saying, let's top looking at things on paper alone, let's look beyond our nose this time, when Rdm was the coach, we said the defense was poor and the midfield, now its the attack and midfield, considering the amount of technically gifted players we have, how many top european team are playing the 4-damn-3-1 formation, let's try another formation, a 4-3-3,4-4-2 perhaps any other thing but not the one that requires a god damn pivot
Desmondadonis
why is everyone trying so hard to be judge and juror.? @ Latunvic thanks sire - i think our views on how Chelsea is being run are fairly similar... i dont understand how hard it is to support your team when God has given you so much blessings, perhaps it is the vindictive nature of the human psyche that we're blessed with what is in effect a benefactor who gives us all these for free but rather than appreciate where we are as compared to where we could be ( a certain Leeds United spring to mind), all we do is look for negatives...with some pple actually saying RA should leave they prefer the unknown world of another owner (who will never do what RA has done for us - those days are over thanks to FFP) Not me - i shall remain positive and hope that eventually Roman's little tweaks (when he can afford it btw, some pple think his funds are like a limitless tap) but he is just a wealthy man funding a hobby he adores. he doesnt have to spend the way he does on chelsea...ask the Glazers... Like Ken4CFC says we are reigning European Champs for a reason (knock the way we won it however much you want), but what more desire do you want from an owner who wins the first one and the first thing he says is " i want three of those badges on your shirt) I personally adore the dude - he has given me vastly improved bragging rights over the last 10yrs and i will never forget...yet the story continues.... 1) We now have the best 3 talent/academy across the whole of Europe 2) Our club is now so attractive to all players/talent anywhere in the world(and they all want to come here)...very few clubs can make this sort of claim 3) Hazard, Oscar, Mata, Luiz, possibly Taison (players that would never have looked at this club as their future homes, now do) yet people say he doesnt have a plan - honestly I think some fans need to have their heads examined to be honest...Please keep up the good work RA This may be slightly contentious, but I reckon if Super Franky hadnt derailed Romans long term plans with AVB, things might be a little different now but I digress somewhat. All we as fans really need to do is be thankful for our blessings and with our support ensure that this new (team) project gets into the habit of winning trophies under some stable management. Believe it or not, i think this is RA's plan/target as well...Rome (in this context, the new Chelsea) was not built in a day. Keep the Faith
JohnnyOz
Cobhamblue,whose money bought and paid those players wages??
Ken4CFC
I am really tired of watching rafa, today he'll mesmerize fans, as soon as they are warming up to him, he brings it all crashing down, if only he could dedicate himself and chose players on form and not by history, age or nationality perhaps he might get something tangible out of this season most especially making top 4, if u think we can win the league this season, then I'll like to get a few of the cheap stuff that person is taking, man utd didn't buy anybody apart from 2 players, city bought only 4 and are using one regularly (garcia) yet they are miles better than us, but chelsea have spent over 89 million on players this season alone and we are being beaten buy mid table teams over and over again, the days when stamford bridge was a fortress where we weren't beaten in 86 games (premier league) at the bridge looks like decades ago, a crying shame..... Really!
Desmondadonis
Just read from twitter that chelsea have released torres contract!!! that will be unbelievable if true!
pego sama
Ken4CFC, I'm at a loss to know what point you are making. I was making the point that instead of spending millions on Hazard & Oscar we'd be higher up the league and probably still in the CL if last August we had bought players like Falcao & Ba instead. My point isn't about whether Roman has spent money, it's about whether it could have been better spent.
CobhamBlue
Are we trying a new formation with torres or do we get a clinical striker(BA and backups) to complement our existin formation which is screamin for a finisher??
Ken4CFC
and as with Charity....it all begins at home - bury our pride re Benitez, and give our team the best possible home support they could get...I think Roman Abramovich (never mind the Board or Tubby) has at least earned that...
JohnnyOz
Seriously, if I was roman I won't buy anymore after spending that much for a season, but the man for who and what he is will want to bring the fans happiness buy purchasing players that he believes will get the job done, my thinking now is we should stop buying and perhaps re-evaluate our team (from this season to the summer) atleast, let's remove the ones that can't cut it and promote the ones that can from our talented academy we have been harping about (offcourse with a stable manager that knows what he is doing, who will see chelsea as a challenge that he'll tame) I feel sorry for roman really, paying that much wages and sign on fees only to be heartbroken over and over again
Desmondadonis
@cobhamblue,let me clarify my debate with u,u stated in one of your comments above that "Roman has invested a lot of money in the past year or so but how much of it has been wisely?" so i want to know how his foolish spendings brought us these much success
Ken4CFC
Looks like we are going to miss out on Taison. http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/130111/chelsea-miss-out-fc-metalist-striker-189036
B2K420
@kencfc, offcourse with torres, we can be in for a suprise if we pair him with another striker and he plays as a second striker, with ba as the point man in a 4-4-2 or perhaps city's formation, we might just be in for a suprise, atleast we'll know we gave him an opportunity in all areas we can think of before selling him off if he doesn't cut it, looking back at his pool days, I can't believe he could bleach up like he seemingly is this days
Desmondadonis
i get your point now just that the not spendin wisely part caught ma attention,but it seems we are on the same page our team needs a clinical finisher..nw we have ba,we should go get his backup cos torres is not in existence
Ken4CFC
RB on Terry "He played yesterday for the U21's, trained today and is in the squad for tomorrow".
pego sama
@des,i'm tired of the torres experiment,lets play ba in our current formation and am pretty sure he would be superb..torres can go try at another club i've given up on him
Ken4CFC
RB on Cech "He will travel with the squad up to Stoke and we will assess him tomorrow".ALSO; its Official: Shakhtar Donetsk have signed #Chelsea target Taison
pego sama
@ Desmond i agree champ...i think we need to manage the Torres situation (perhaps play him on the wing r as 2nd striker as you say or something else so he doesnt negatively affect the dressing room) till the summer and then let him leave... we may have to pay most of his wages for the remaining 4 years of his contract to get that to happen (£36M) by my calculations because no one will pay him more than 50k on current form. However for a club with earnings of just over 200m, 36M is a heck of a lot and will affect our FFP plans....this is the sort of dilemma the board have that the average fan doesnt consider. Some will say they shouldnt have bought FT in the 1st place but we were all overjoyed when we saw the transfer go through on that fateful Jan 31 - i know i was...anyway forwards ever...
JohnnyOz
Official: Shakhtar Donetsk have signed #Chelsea target Taison
pego sama
@johnnyoz, I agree with u mate, there is no way we'll get torres off our hands realistically, so I think we should just continue to try and get the best out of him, buy persisting with him along with ba perhaps, or else we'll be stuck with him like malouda and chelsea would be on the losing end not nando, this man have won everything in football except CWC, he won (or can still win) everyother thing
Desmondadonis
So apparently, Torres had a stomach bug vs Swansea. Hmm let me ask, what else did he have for the past 2 years?
pego sama
: RB "The team is scoring more and conceding less, we're playing nice football, and we are working hard"- agree with tubby on that! hope he dosent play torres in the stoke game for his sake!
pego sama
official TEAM NEWS: Petr Cech and John Terry will travel with the squad tomorrow to Stoke!
pego sama
David Luiz has had a haircut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pego sama
RB reveals Demba Ba had a hamstring niggle pre-Swansea so couldn't play much of the game, so Torres had to play with a stomach bug.
pego sama
Glad Taison didn't join us, more than enough players in his position.
pego sama
@johnny and @des,dnt u guys think we can stil do a similar deal to that of mancity-adebayor-spuds that is negotiate with clubs to take him off our hand while we pay a certain portion of his salary till his contract with us runs out??
Ken4CFC
Offcourse we can ken, but the question is, for a trade by batter to take place, both parties must be satisfied with the deal, I can't think of a team that will be satisfied with nando for now, maybe china or MLS, but he won't want to go there
Desmondadonis
Falcao will cost us £48-50m, cavani will cost us £40m max, considering that our owner and most fans want a high profile striker, what say you if we buy isco for 20m, capoue or mvilla for 15m, and schurlle for €20m, what would be the better deal? In my opinion, we should re-evaluate our options in the team, but if we got our mind on spending another 50m out, won't that be a prudent way of spending than getting a fernando 2.0 ?
Desmondadonis
@Ken - i agree with Desmond.. I reckon with the Floundering Torres situation, i dont see another big money bid being made for a striker in the immediate future...We have been chasing Schurrle consistently for a while so i reckon that deal may happen in the summer
JohnnyOz
Was taison really chelsea target?
blue5
I think Taison was an option and an agreement had been reached before xmas for £8.5M - which the new owners at Metalist reneged on. I applaud chelsea board for sticking to their guns - if Taison really wanted to come to Chelsea, he could have refused to sign for Shakhtar...The chelsea board could have also matched the Shakhtar offer but chose not to - these things happen for a reason. Perhaps after Wednesday's performance from Torres, improving the striking depth became more of a priority...
JohnnyOz
damn....that means we are stucked with poorres for the next 3years
Ken4CFC
taison and his representatives have successfully used us as an advertisement board
Ken4CFC
@John,thanks 4 your explanation about taison which sounds purely convincing.
blue5
@John,thanks 4 your explanation about taison which sounds purely convincing.
blue5
@John,thanks 4 your explanation about taison which sounds purely convincing.
blue5
guys..fantastic discussion and posts all over...I have learnt a couple of more things about our situation and the club as a whole..i am now even more sad because reality is soo complex...thanks anyways for the comments....
layorh12
Great news, no Taison. We all know what we need and it is not another midfield lightweight, we already have a squad full of those. Get some power, drive and passion into our squad. I`m sorry to say it but most fans want a mix within their team, tippy tappy for 90 minutes is boring.
Blueheart9
By the way, I use to say schurlle is not that impressive, but I watched his game against shalke04, that boy is ball thief, he has this knack of stealing the ball off defenders and has a mean shot, I am not against him anymore, he is winning me over slowly, I'll try to watch more games of him
Desmondadonis
layorh12 Beautiful article. However I don't have time to contribute today, I will do it tomorrow...........;)
Luna
thanks @Luna....
layorh12
 

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