Piazon Off on Loan?

its official...I am not sure its the best move for this young boy but I wish him all the best...I guess the board knows what we dont know...and I do hope they've got an overall plan...

Anything to do with a deal for isco?

@Chelz...because we are still the parent club with full ownership, the loan does not affect his grown status...I have confirmed that on fifa website...so cheer up mate!!!!....my only worry with the loan arrangement which I consider aggresive is that I dont think he will get enough playing time which is what he needs most at this time given where he is in his developement...but like I have been saying in recent times...the board knows better and I hope they have got a plan...things are getting really confusing really...I think we'll most likely get Isco in the summer with Piazon staying on at Malaga for an extended period on loan (may be a full season or even more) since they wont be playing in Europe for the next 4 seasons....

I hope the club has inserted Isco deal in his agreement to join Malaga.

Once he gets a regular playing time in malaga i would consider this move a success. if he plays reg. it will be better than him playin wit our Un21s or once in 2months wit our first team. goodluck piazon

@KEN4, I dont know how well malaga is doin right now but if they are doin well it might just take alot for piazon to break into the team. tho if they are doin well and he still breaks into the team, it jst will show the guy is some real gem. fingers crossed

Info i have is dat manuel pellegrini made the request himself for him. Chelsea didn't plan to loan him. its cos of pellegrinis personal request and isco is a chelsea player come june

why are we loaning him out ? how are we sure he will get game time there ? we are in the europa league , who is going to play there def not hazard nor mata .. he should be with us we will need him at some time in this season i am very surre

Im with Chelz on this the loan may be beneficial for him but having Lucas as a homegrown player would be a bigger bonus.

For me the only question i have is this..since the JT era how many players has chelsea FC sent out on loan who ever returned and found their way into the first team? I can only come up with Danny sturridge who is now out the door and Ryan Bertrand who is barely struggling to make some first team appearances at age 24. If anyone remembers any others please remind me. The point is overall our loan policy has generally been retrogressive not progressive from a Chelsea stand point. I fear this may be the start of the process that ends with Lucas ending up somewhere else in the near future. The home grown status thing is just another added wrinkle to how unwise i see these sort of loan moves and it is a recurrent theme we see also with the Josh and Lukaku loans which will ensure at the rate we are going that none of them will ever qualify as a club trained home grown player. My biggest immediate fear though is squad depth..our already thin squad is now down one more body and yet we have a second half of the season crammed full of games in the FA cup, Europa league and BPL..a few critical injuries or accumulating fatigue of overused players like Mata and Hazard (not to mention missing Mikel and Moses at the AFCON) and the effects will show big time in results which will ultimately affect our bottom line; namely securing a top 3 finish in the BPL..i said this same thing last January window when we were loaning out players like Santa Claus and by late February then the consequences were there for all to see.

Yep off late it seems a player going out on loan is the beginning of the end for most of our youngsters chelsea careers, after a few years out they become disillusioned with their future chances see Lukaku. Kakuta, Mancienne, Jack Cork, Borini, Bruma etc. The other major problem is once they have tasted regular football they are not satisfied coming back to Chelsea just to warm the bench. This is where managerial instability is hitting the hardest there is no real plan in place for our youngsters once they reach maturity.

I don't blame the kid for wanting to go out on loan...I just don't get it...I will say it again and again...CHELSEA HAS NO PLAYER DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY...it's lets just go out and buy a bunch of players and ???? Piazon will be a star and I hope he is a future Chelsea player...Chelsea needs to release, sell or loan out about 10 to 12 players...starting with Torres...and I for one am sick of hearing about Lampard...love the guy...but he is using the media to negotiate for him and I am sick of it...Its time for him to go..

I'm gutted by this to be honest, I said yesterday I thought piazon didn't need to go on loan because he was already at a level where he could be nurtured into the first team. Oh how wrong I appear to be. I hope this isn't a wasted loan and that some good comes of it. I feel we use the loan system wrongly, I would rather see the likes of piazon, Kdb, lukaku, courtois, josh loaned out to lower premier league sides where they are needed. I don't see how gong to the championship is going to make josh ready for premier league action in our first team, he's doing really well yes, but I cant see any gains in it. I'd like to have seen Kdb go to Aston villa for example, he would do really well there and would link up again with benteke. Can't see the point of doing it unless isco was coming in this window, why wait till summer.

I think people are barking on the wrong stick here. There is nothing wrong with the LOAN PROGRAMME. The whole point of the programme is for the player to develop. Irrespective of what the squad depth is, Chelsea managers never play the youth. Ancelotti was buried for not playing Kakuta, Josh, Sturridge and co. AVB was buried for not playing Josh and eventually loaning him to Swansea and now the club is being criticized for loaning Piazon. Have you looked at the minutes being played by our loanees? Lukaku has played 938 minutes in the premiership. Josh has played 1,974 minutes in the Championship and KDB HAS PLAYED 1,526 minutes. Ramires has been our most utilized midfielder in the first team and he has played ONLY 1,276 minutes in the premiership. Before we criticize the loan programme; ask yourself this question and respond with the honest truth - Would Lukaku, Josh and KDB see as much minutes if they had stayed in the Chelsea squad rather than going on loan????? Remember Piazon has played only 161 minutes while Sturridge hardly featured even when healthy!!!!!!!. The issue is not the loan programme, BUT post the loan-programme. In the last 3 seasons, the manager who sends these kids on loan is USUALLY not the manager who evaluates the development in their loan programme when they return. How does the manager then decide who is good and not good enough to be in his squad for the season. Imagine you are a NEW CHELSEA MANAGER (which means pressure to WIN immediately) and Emenalo and Roman are busy calling people looking to offer 20mm - 30mm pounds for a midfielder. Who will you go with? A Josh Mac or a Fellani? However, if the manager had been with the squad the previous season when Josh went on loan, he would be in a better position to determine if Josh is what he needs to Fellaini. But we aren't afforded that luxury. It is the same reason youth do not progress under INSTABILITY just like Real Madrid. Any team that has youth progressing has stability - Barcelona, Dortmund and Bayern Munich (Louis Van Gaal promoted the latest Bayern products). If there is NO STABILITY in the managerial department, they will be no youth progress irrespective of if the loan programme is working or not or how thing or large the squad is.

@kakufrank, spot on mate with your last comment. a stable manager will do a lot of help to integrate our youths but also a little reluctance from the board to buy big players will help their path into the first team. we can't expect a manager to see big players and go for the young ones can we?

Actually they won't because we would play Lampard and Ramires continuously without Rest like Ancelotti did during his second season and like RDM did sometimes. KDB will fit in BUT what will KDB be doing from the month of August till December? Is it smart to sacrifice the 1,526 minutes he has played in the Bundesliga FOR WHAT? A few games in January where he will be rotated with Lampard and Ramires. Most he would probably play will be 270 minutes. But that isn't enough for him to sit on the bench from August - December and then from February till May.........Lukaku is better than Torres, BUT Roman will not let that happen. There is not other person to BLAME but the top. People thought Ancelotti was anti-youth, but we figured it wasn't just him. AVB loaned youth out and so did RDM and now even Benitez. It is pretty clear the reason why youth integration has been failing. It is the top!!!!!!

Point taken. How does it change, if the owner won't get rid of those around him and get someone with a bit of footballing savvy and experience then it will continue to fail.

Like I've said before a loan deal doesn't guarantee development,we just have to be hopeful Piazon gets enough game time to develop rather than stall his development and confidence. I hold Chelsea FC responsible for the way we handled Kakuta's development when he was loaned to wrong clubs (Fulham,and Bolton) and played out of position and stalled d lads development. We almost made the same mistake with Josh,when we loaned him to Swansea and he got very little game time. The youth understand that there's no project whatsoever in place for them at Chelsea FC. Courtois wants to stay longer at Athletico Madrid, De bruyne wants to stay longer at Bremen,Josh wants to stay longer at Boro,Lukaku wants to stay longer at W.Brom,if things go well for Piazon won't be surprised if he decides to stay longer at Malaga. Might probably get to a point where we decide to sell them off to get players at their peak from their on loan clubs. Its not just about managerial stability its the lack of project and plan in place to gradually transit this young talents into the first team.

Continuing on that, Lukaku has said he wants to stay AT WEST BROM next season. I read Josh wants to stay at Boro. Kevin De Bruyne is open to the possibility of extending his loan spell at Werder Bremen beyond the end of the season. Sturridge ALREADY LEFT. We are chasing the senior players out of the club while the younger ones don't want to return. Lmaoooo!!!!! What kind of fu$ked up $HIT is that?

And also is that also not the issue when you keep older players yoith get marginalised because experience always favoured over youth. Josh would be getting game time were it not for Lamps?

Not really Anarchy.....maybe we could have played a 4-3-3 formation with both Josh and Lampard in Central Midfield. Maybe Josh could have played with Lampard in central midfield like Cleverly and Scholes or Wilshere and Arteta. Think about it this way: Barcelona has Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets and Fabregas. All 4 are Euro and world cup winners. Xavi and Iniesta currently rank in top 100 players of all time. Yet, Thiago was able to play 1,830 minutes in La Liga for Barcelona last season.

@Cobhamblue...your post is brutal...but i think its true....nice one there

And rednapp just confirmed the capture of Remy and M'vila.i'm gutted.we could have goten m'vila at that cheap price.i just hope something is done before feb.1

It is better to laugh with reason rather than senselessly. A question was asked about senior players marginailzing the younger players and a response was mentioned at how that would not be the case if such young player was here. The question should be how does a young kid who displayed performances worthy of being the best blue player on the pitch go from being the best Chelsea player on the pitch (when given the opportunity) to not so good for Swansea and probably a best Championship footballer. Has anyone ever asked that question?

Loic remy is just another waste of money, thx god he ended up at QPR, and M'Villa is so over rated and his attitude off the field stinks,

I also said time and time again about how our RA and the board is not up to the mark in youth development. STABILITY is what makes or breaks a youth. If messi is at CFC he will be on the bench of cfc now with 200+ loan appearances in the championship. Like KAKUfrank and others said our fans needs to tone down the expectations if we want our youth to succeed. This is where PEP score miles ahead of JM. But i am thinking that finally RA has learnt his lessons and moving towards this. AVB appointment and his mandate for the first 2 years is clearly a good thing but didnt worked out bcz of the culture at CFC. So who ever the manager will be in the summer he will be given clear mandate about how the club should move forward and given good amount of time to build the club from top to bottom.

e should had send torres on loan...nd i dont understand the luiz deal where we payed 25 million along with matic....what a stupid deal it was...pying 25 on the top selling our young players....prtuguse club are very good in getting great deals in players...we are biggest fool when it comes to transfer of players sell all our payer either for free or for peanuts price..we sold some top class players for peanuts price and bought other team sheets for double triple price...

if Pellegrini actually make a personal request for him then it is good that he goes there on loan. Pellegrini is not a small time coach and his credentials are impressive enough to convince the Blues hierarchy that if he wants paizon, then he has seen something in the guy that would benefit all our us in the long run. besides we would be creating a good rapport with him and the club in case we still need to go for Isco.

Im starting to think tat Piazons loan to Malaga is a precursor preparation for the possible expected arrival of the new striker .possibly Falcao or Willian etc . So this isnt necessarily a bad move by the club. If this is so, Im a little concerned that if we get Falcao/similar , then will there ever be a place for Piazon to return to regardless of how much he improves? If Piazon has the potential then why cant we develop him AT the club rather than loanng him out? As attractive an option Falcao is - probable instant success, Piazon could become our own "Falcao" given enough playing time and training. I hope the club know wht they are doing with Pazon and he dosnt become another of hose youngsters that dosnt want to return

It would be interesting to know just how many we have got out on loan i would like to know how we keep track of their form etc

i feel like pelgrini is trying to land chelsea's job. Not sure. But is he worth it? He did get 96 points for real in his only season.