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Chelsea 2 Arsenal 1

In a highly entertaining London derby it was Chelsea that just about took the honours and the three points.

Team News - Rafa Benitez, once again, shuffled his pack after the disappointing 2-2 draw with Southampton in midweek. Ivanovic was recalled to the heart of the defence with David Luiz missing through illness but the most contentious selection was that of Fernando Torres, a newly shorn Fernando we should add, in place of Demba Ba who was left on the bench alongside John Terry who many expected to start.

First Half - In snowy conditions, at Stamford Bridge, Chelsea got the action underway, attacking the Shed End, and were to enjoy a sparkling forty-five minutes against an Arsenal side that had trouble coping with the pace and movement.

However, for all Chelsea`s dominance it was Arsenal that should have opened the scoring, in the 5th minute, when the Chelsea defence opened up but Giroud could only screw his shot wide and Arsenal were punished almost immediately when Chelsea took the lead.

Ramires won the ball, in debatable circumstances, in a challenge with Coquelien and when a long diagonal ball was played towards Juan Mata the Spaniard produced a piece of brilliant skill to control it before smashing it past Szczesny in the Arsenal goal.

Arsenal could have equalised almost immediately but Cech was on hand to turn around the post a decent twenty-five yard effort from Cazorla. But Chelsea were producing some lovely flowing football and Hazard, after a mazy run, saw his effort turned around the post by the keeper. But, in the 16th minute, Chelsea doubled their lead when good football involving Mata and Torres saw Ramires free on goal, trying to dance around Szczesny, but the keeper pulled him down.

Lampard stepped up and made no mistake from the spot, slotting it home to the keepers left Chelsea continued to create chances and Ramires blasted wide after yet more decent build up play involving Mata before, as the half drew to a close, Torres blasted an effort high and wide after a free kick, given for a foul on Ramires, had been half cleared.

Second Half - If Chelsea had dominated the first half then it was to be a different story in the second half as Arsenal came out all guns blazing. Early efforts from Mertesaker and Walcott were saved by Cech whilst Ivanovic, putting Giroud under pressure, assisted in helping Cech claim a weak looping header from the French forward.

But, in the 58th minute, Arsenal did get back into the game when Cazorla`s lovely ball found the advancing Walcott and his exquisite finish beat Cech comfortably. Arsenal were all over us now and Walcott, minutes after the goal, rolled another shot past the post.

Cole was then penalised for a foul on Walcott but Cazorla`s free kick hit the wall. Finally there was some respite from the pressure as Torres broke superbly only to see a heavy touch give the keeper the chance to come out and collect the ball. Minutes later, on the opposite flank, Torres breaking in the same manner, was reluctant to shoot and his end product pass was poor.

Rafa brought on Bertrand, in place of Oscar, to shore things up and Arsenal has to rely on Szczensy to turn a Ramires shot around the post. Torres saw a low curling shot saved before a ling-busting run by Ramires saw the midfielder unable to engineer a shot.

Rafa made a second substation, bringing on Demba Ba for Torres and the new striker almost gave us a third goal when he rounded the keeper, out wide, only for Vermaelen to clear his shot off the line. With four minutes of normal time left, Cole fouled Sagna on the edge of the area but Vermaelen screwed the resulting free kick low and wide.

With three minutes left Rafa brought on Marin in place of Hazard and Chelsea, facing five minutes of added on time, were left to defend resolutely as Arsenal forced a succession of corners with Cahill, in particular, producing one excellent tackle to deny Walcott.

Chelsea: Cech, Azpilicueta, Cahill, Ivanovic, Cole, Ramires, Lampard, Oscar (Bertrand-72), Hazard (Marin-87), Mata, Torres (Ba-80)

Subs: Turnbull, Ferreira, Terry, Ake.

Chelsea Scorers - Mata (16), Lampard pen (16)

Chelsea Yellow Cards - Mata, Cole

Chelsea Red Cards - Nil




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The Journalist

Writer: Merlin Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday January 20 2013

Time: 3:36PM

Your Comments

Talk about a game of two halves! Well done Chelsea, and to all the negativeboo boys , stfu and support the club.
djdutts
Has torres ever won us an important fixture by himself ? has he ever given up a glimmer of hope from a loosing position , the front trio work so hard and he doesnt seem to do anything , why we have him still amazes me . and look at how long it took benitez to bring ba on , i wonder if he is so much better than RDM like people suggested here .. good win for us , i hope we do well against tottenham and man city
Don capon
It was a good win,however we need to be more clinical with our finishing. If we had buried the game in the first half we wouldn't have been under so much pressure after arsenal scored thier goal.And somebody pls tell benitez to stop benching Ba for such am important game
Cobham78
Don, stop bloody moaning! We won! By the way, he repaid huge amounts of his price tag at the nou camp last year.... Remember that?
djdutts
Hope Arsenal drop out of Top 4 this year.
The Psychic Blue l9l
Good stuff from the boys although Ba should have come a little earlier if it was a must for Torres to start. Ba is the right player to run and beat Arsenal's shaky defence but all in all it was a good game for us. The boys gave 100%. Ram's tackling was spot on, Cech, Lamps were great. It was an all blue day. Kudos and keep it up.
BOTUM
Rafa is not a tactical coach, this man is just an opportunist and the talent of mazacar is the only thing that is making it hard for peeps to find him out, we won and it something we should be happy about, but why invite that pressure in the first instance? Why make ur team work extra hard in a game we dominated, his stubborness to proof himself a wonder worker on torres will cost us this season, mark my words*, ba ought to be in that team in the 60th minute and mata out for marin in the 75th minute with oscar coming to the middle, before u begin to give us crap that bertie was brought in to curb walcott, what was walcott's contribution in the first half, between oscar and cole they shut him off sucessfully, we bring this scenarios on herself and its bcos our coach is clueless realistically he is, I just wish hazard and mata won't burn out earlier than I suspect.
Desmondadonis
Apart from Rafa's glaring stupidity/naiveity wait till you see tomorrows headlines: Lampard seals winner for Chelsea....Lamps too will take time to discuss his contract publicly
@Mq
@djdutts how am i moaning ? how has torres helped this team so far? we ******** paid 50 million and u said one goal last season paid a huge chunk of it , i think that is being delusional , that goal came when the game was almost over and i am sure if it was any other chelsea player in that position they could have scored and that game and if they didnt they would have seen the game out and remember we were not in a loosing position at that point , i would stop moaning when the constant below par performances stop
Don capon
The sooner #RAFAOUT, the better....
Blue in Colorado
That said, I agree with DESMOND 100% about Rafa
@Mq
That said, I agree with DESMOND 100% about Rafa
@Mq
Now for Spurs to draw with or beat manure and narrow the gap at the top.
foreign_viewer
Ourselves* sorry about the typo, I am still miffed that we have to slug it out and wind ourselves up with a bunch of kids that won't make our bench on a good day, coquelin, gibbs,ramsey, seriously?
Desmondadonis
We have 2 weeks in the transfer window, we need a quality striker to back up Ba, we won't make top4 with 1 striker (unless you call that other idiot a striker)
@Mq
Massive 3 points and hope we consolidate position 3 sooner than latter.
blue5
Roman deserves no better than Tubby and Torres. That guy knows how to mess up a beautiful thing. Happy for the win but Tubby and Torres out.
Keyser Soze
Hey Merlin how come you post match reports immediately whenever we win, but no one sees anything from a full 24 hrs after we lose? Aren't you supposed to tell it as it is pronto?
traykidd
Don Capon.Not the right time to moan.Its party time.Such victories are of great significance.And in my opinion,that goal at the Nou Camp was worth a huge price,if not more.Had he not scored,there was a great chance Barca would have got the winner(like Iniesta at the Bridge).I am not a Torres fan but that goal was bloody equivalent to gold.
cfc250
Now to the Wed game...
@Mq
"Lampard's Chelsea...it was his penalty that proved the winner" Hogwash...did he earn the penalty? What did he do in the game. We were very fortunate to get this win game. Had Arsenal taken the chance the came before we score it would have been a different game. Had Wenger put Walcott in the middle then they would have feared better. Glad for the win in any case but we need another midfielder.
had2bg
*from you*
traykidd
@Mq, Benitez was a top coach for you few days back. RDM being the clueless one. Things have changed inside your big head?
Keyser Soze
@Mq, Benitez was a top coach for you few days back. RDM being the clueless one. Things have changed inside your big head?
Keyser Soze
We sold Sturridge and retained TorrMented1...worst decision
@Mq
Oscar, Hazard, Ramieres, Cole & Azpi were awesome today... keep it up boys.
Ess...DaBison
Rafa is a lucky man. Pure luck not to lose in the 2nd half.
foreign_viewer
How can Marko Marin not play ? How can Torres play so much being ***** 99% of the time? Torres must give out great bjs to benitez.
k.chelski
I thought so given his past achievements KEYSER but clearly this isn't any better
@Mq
I thought so given his past achievements KEYSER but clearly this isn't any better
@Mq
Hazard and Oscar can take penalties. It is not difficult for them. Having a player just to take penalties makes no sense.
foreign_viewer
I don't like how the 2nd half went,we really were sub par and left the game for Arsenal to come back. Lamps got missing and left Ramires over-worked. Rafa really should be leaving the subs late on. It was glaring enough the game needed to be tweaked early in the 2nd half,but he just didnt do anything. All the same,am glad we won.
Ohans
djduttss....torres repaid his huge chunk by that gaoal against barca....hahaa...what a joke man....are you on dope....if you are then you seriously need to stop it man.....torres is the one and only reason we are in this position he feckedd our this season alone.....he is the one becuase of whom rdm is out and the feckerr joker is here at chelsea...player like him should not be sold they should be kicked out in the garbage which is his right place....the guy deserve all this hatred here...he is playing in first team because he is roman whore thats the only reason he is at chelsea not for footballing reason....
shlok27
FV.You make your own luck in football.But yes,Rafa OUT!
cfc250
FV.Hazard missed a penalty against the Nords.
cfc250
So how's the atmosphere now ei? Stupid to have blamed the atmosphere for our loss in the past. We got complacent in the 2nd half once again,top defending from our lads. Rami definitely my Man of the Match,worked his socks off,and we did the double over Arscums. 3 points in the bag. London is blue.
nelyvanile
When i saw torrid was starting I almost threw the remote at the tv! Can't believe he was on for 80mins he offered nothing as usual and when ba came on he immediately broke the off side trap rounded the keeper and had he shot cleared off the line he plucked long balls from cech out of the sky repeatedly, I was so relieved to see him on for torrid!
Nobleonenoble
Did anyone notice Roman clapping after Torres was subbed?
cfc250
Lampard missed a penalty in the FA cup final.
foreign_viewer
looking at manure midfield cant believe how they are in top position....a very average looking midfield and with ours we are still in third....thats show no matter good or bad your midfield is in the end its comes who is at the top and mqnure has top class striker in that dpartment...sadly we dont have one....only ba is the only hope who can take us to top...but our joker prefer lady against him...
shlok27
I am suprised u'll admit that, he has been out of the game for too long and its telling in his decision making, he needs to meet with the board and tell them he needs squad depth, but I know what they might say to him, we loaned out piazon because u don't have any use for him and we are planning on loaning out marin too for the same reason, and rafa won't have any replies, arsenal are making a star out of walcott and the likes of coquelin, gibbs and jekinson, Gawd have mercy and we say marin isn't good enough, there is no way both marin and piazon won't be good enough, one of them have to cut it, this is voronin,ngog,mohamma sissoko, djibril cisse all over again
Desmondadonis
FV.Exception proves the rule.He has 90-95% of his penalties scored.So,WTF are you talking?Cristiano keeps missing time and again.Look at Rooney,Messi,etc.Ask any top player or coach.Lampard is th best penalty-taker.
cfc250
I am very pleased we won a game of big signifance first half we were the better side Arsenal came out fighting but the most thing was we held on for the win. What irks me the most is why Tubby bring on Ba on 79 minutes with that waste of a striker doing naf all but a few mazy runs and one shot and Ba once again outclasses the 50m flop. I just hope we build on this win and take the confidence into the next game.
Elbowz
I use to find it difficult to believe that Roman forces coaches to play Rafa,but seeing the way he was cheering an under performed Torres when being subbed out shows the level of love he has for the player,whether he plays well or not.
Ohans
rdm instilled the never say die chelsea character. He was aggressive. He was ******ed by roman. No point hiring david moyes or klopp he you dont give them autonomy.
Blue India
marin and piazon are very good player....specially marin is great talent but this joker is giving that gal chance after chance inspite of he fecks in each and every performance... but marin who i think will be great if he gets more oppurtunities but sadly for him our joker dont trust him....honestly more than malouda i hate thes ex liverpool muppets...i hope they go out before anyone else...
shlok27
united lead. *****
Blue India
roman clapping for that gal...tells you the whole story who make him to start in each performance....sad but truth..
shlok27
we dont have a manager honestly, that tubby guy is hare to disintegrate our club
Tala4good
Manure score. Game over. Spurs are pathetic.
foreign_viewer
match
shlok27
It never ceases to amaze me how some of you can moan about a win against a rival club such as Arsenal. What's the point in being a fan if you can't enjoy yourself? And FV's anti-Lampard agenda was initially annoying, but now it's simply boring and a bit pathetic. We all get it: you don't rate Lampard. Congrats.
RadioactiveD
Overrated Parker playing. They had no chance.
foreign_viewer
Radio, grow up.
foreign_viewer
FV.Why was Lampard awarded PL player of the decade?Why was he in the UEFA team of the year thrice?Why was he in the World xi twice?Why was he awarded as "UEFA midfielder of the year" twice?Despite Barca winning in 2009,why was Lampard was awarded "UEFA midfielder of the year" ahead of Xavi and Iniesta?Two brilliant passes in the semi-final against Barca won us the game.Xavi and Iniesta could not produce such balls in a million passes.Why did we not win games from the last week of October till he was out?What was our winning percentage without him and Terry?That itself tells you about his importance.Had he not been on the field against Everton and Stoke,we would have lost both those games as well.Why do you make yourself so controversial?Don't you get enough attention in your life or what?Seriously,whats your problem mate?Why do you always bitch?Stop being such a cry baby.No offence and nothing personal but I have a feeling that he shagged your wife and many others' wives.You guys clearly have got something personal against the lad.AVB was trash and he just wanted to kick him out and it was justified when we won the CL.Come on.Give it a rest.Players and leaders like him are not made.They are born.
cfc250
Two things were inexplicable: The drop of effort in the second half and Torres starting ahead of Ba. The first half was perfect though. Arsenal hardly ever got a chance, with only 1 shot on goal and 40% possession. Our midfield looked much better with Ramires as a CM and Oscar back in the starting line up. Cole was outstanding. Azpi was very good, too. Torres was the worst player, but that's no surprise anymore. I think we should use the same line up in our next game, with the only change up front - Ba instead of Torres.
ElMagicoNino
FV.Not Radio,but infact you need to grow up.
cfc250
This is a different decade. Get with the times.
foreign_viewer
*Torres not Rafa, lols, they are both fecked
Ohans
Shlok27.Yeah,I was equally disappointed to see Roman clapping.This means he still rates him.That was disgusting.Fans at the Bridge were clapping.Okay,nothing wrong with that.But seeing Mr. Abramovich clap for Torres really worried me.
cfc250
December 2010 when Lampard came back from injury it was clear he was never going to be the same. What he has now is history.
foreign_viewer
I mentioned a few of the recent games.Did I not?And he has almost reached double figures in terms of goals.Thats brilliant for a midfielder,who has missed so many games and not started so many.Whats your problem?
cfc250
Double figures this season,I mean.
cfc250
Remove RVP's goal from man utd, they'll be languishing in the 2nd half of the table on 16th, remove torres's goal and we'll still be in 3rd, ba should start our PL games and he can be withdrawn when we are comfortably ahead for torres seriously, 24m RVP and 50m torres, it is a huge fraud!!!
Desmondadonis
arsenal changed to suit our game and benitez was too stubborn once again to adapt. had we paid 24m instead of 7 for ba i think he would be starting instead of fernando. stupid decision making.
blueirishman
We've won at home against Arsenal, must say i was a bit worried after Walcott scored... Ramires is my MOTM, who keeps voting for Torres??? Arguably the worst player o the pitch today.
Tiraspol
i hope if chelsea not win...than mancity shiuld win the pl...not manuree they are sheet club they dont deserve as a team to win pl...just one man team with average squad and with few refrees and fa in their side....
shlok27
Other fans blaming our 2n half performances on booing by the home fans I simply not telling the truth. Harry, Southampton's manager, Allardyce and Wenger have simply made simple changes and adjustments to lineups an this clueless man Roman has employed as a coach doesn't have he brains or balls to deal with. Harry just sat back for QPR and countered. Adkins just brought another striker. Allardyce brought in just Diame. Benitez proved he couldn't deal with the changes. Wenger simply instructed coquelin and diaby to push forward to push our CMs back and Benitez couldn't deal with that. A more clinical team woul have beaten us today. In the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half, Arsenal had 3 shots saved by Cech. The fans were definitely not booing then nor till the 80th minute. The manager is a clown and doesn't like taking risks nor he doesn't know how to take risks at the right time. Being outwitted by Allardyce, Harry, Adkins and Wenger. That's a terrible manager.
KAKUfrank
KAKUfrank - So if you're so smart, what would you have done?
ElMagicoNino
I am pretty much convinced that Roman has told Rafael to play Torres. No other legitamite manager would play him as much. How Ba didn't come on at 60 minutes I don't understand. While I would like to see more of Marin I don't understand putting him on at 85 minutes when you need extra defensive help. Marin can't defend. Agree Mata needs a rest. Lampard was very poor today why Oscar doesn't play the pivot I dont understand. Ramires had his best game of the season.
lamarochs
Actually, I'll take it back that our drop of performance in the 2nd half was inexplicable. We played 5 games in the last 15 days, so even though there was a lot of rotation, considering our pace in the first half it's pretty clear why they started to look tired after that. TOrres ahead of Ba is still inexplicable though ;)
ElMagicoNino
Thank goodness that we won this match. It was a professional performance from chelsea. Rami played very well today and was far better than he did on wednesday. We made an excellent signing in azpilicueta and if he keeps his performances up, he would not only bench ivanovic when terry returns, he would also be knocking on the spainish national team.
Chelz Akamz
Even 7 games in the last 22 days... That's almost one game every three days.
ElMagicoNino
Kakufrank.....i agree with you, our team always goes missing at second half. But right now we don't have proper defensive midfielder to handle the pressure. So, maybe benitez wants to keep lineup that way. However, we could have used physical presence of Ba early on to sit in deep. So maybe physical CM like toure or fellaini coould help us in these kind of situation.
drogforever
Watching spurs vs utd and van persie's goal has been the difference. Infact he is the reason why man utd are far ahead of everyone else and if he stays fit all through the season, then there wont be stoping them from winning the league. Talk of 24million well spent and compare that to our 50million flop.
Chelz Akamz
Grow up, FV? That's hilarious. Tell us more about how much you dislike Lamps. Keep repeating yourself. Eventually something will stick, is that your strategy?
RadioactiveD
One of the issues tubby had at pool was he could win big games but then would lose or draw the run of the mill games so what we need from here is to make sure we start beating the lesser teams.
Nobleonenoble
Even when we win we continue to make pointless remarks.beign civil means making valid vital arguments.ouch.
blue5
Radio, I'm not interested in your debate.
foreign_viewer
man united is winning. YESSS!!!
11bandwagon
spurs level yeah. League is still open
Blue India
spur equalised,Feck. Anyway draw is still good as we re gonna enjoy both sides.
11bandwagon
spur equalised,Feck. Anyway draw is still good as we re gonna enjoy both sides.
11bandwagon
hahaha....feck you manure......if chelsea were lucky to win last season to win cl then manure are the luckiest if they win this season....one man is making them on top the rest arr crapppp....
shlok27
Its so easy to sit behind your pc/smartphones and dictate the coach should have subbed torres for ba in 60th min,sub mata for marin in 70th,sub cech for turnbull and so on.since u guys are so skilled in the act of coachin i would advice u go take up a coachin job and lets see if your teams would escape the drop...we win a match they moan,we draw a match they moan,we lose a match they riot.God deliver CFC from this fans
Ken4CFC
Ivanovic almost got himself another immature, abusive language from foreign viewer with his back pass
Gaban
U guys expect arsenal to rollover and allow trash them without puttin up a fight??delusional thinkin at work here,we just won a difficult game and the VC experts and moanin about tactics and subs,some times we have to grind out results,manure do it city do it and now we ve done ours yet complaints flow in like missiles..havin said that,i have to thank the fans at the stadium for gettin behind the team from start to finish,u guys were great i felt it right in ma livin room,the atmosphere was fantastic and great job u guys did to applaud torres when he was subbed off(even roman did)..long may it continue..cheers
Ken4CFC
Very nice AVB. You deserve that...hope Chelsea can do one better when we play them so as to affect the title race.
had2bg
When Ba was ready to come on, Lampard was expecting himself to get subbed where he was seen trying to take off the armband. Thats what happened when fans like mq and fv keep on talking trash even when the man is doing his job decently. Dont worry Frank, 4 months to go, even if you leave now, you have repaid more than a man can possibly do to this beautiful club
Gaban
Strange but true guys.... I enjoyed spurs last gasp goal more than chelsea winning arsenal. The look on Fergie's face when dempsey scored was priceless.
Dwonder
Today's results have gone our way, and we did what we had to do. That said I'm still not convinced. Again we go in at half time with a 2-0 lead and contrive to nearly blow ourselves up. What is the point of having a substitutes bench when you make all your subs late in a game. If we get rid of the bench we could add a few seats to get a bigger stadium!! I must sound like a broken record, but when teams start coming on to us, especially at home like arsenal did in second half, rafa should have been proactive, 2-0 isn't enough especially with our recent home form. Just take the plunge and bring Ba on earlier, I would have also bought terry on after arsenal scored for leadership. Cahill due for praise, for that match winning challenge. Onwards and upwards. Bring on Swansea.
Blue1989
we may have atop midfield with talent but there is no shape , balance and stability , we need a defensive midfielder in the mould of (khedhira , de rossi , busquets ) asap ...
haji ahmed
You guys are just yelling about bringing Ba in early in the 2nd half, u are not looking at the bigger picture or the effect of working him too much. We have a must win match on Wednesday which Ba is going to start, I expect that what we should be saying about today's game is the positive of winning the game without having to depend on Ba which means we'll have Ba fresh for Swansea game..... Do u people honestly feel we can have Ba start every game.... and when be burns out or picks an injury we begin another version of complains.....
Latunvic
We should be happy and thankful to God that we won, what if we drew or lost the game?? Lets just enjoy the victory, its a precious one.
SameX
Remember that was a Chelsea team without Terry, Luiz, Mikel, Ba & Moses. All would arguably start for Chelsea in a Cup Final. Difficult second half but we didn't (completely) buckle for once. If we can turn over Swansea 3-1 the season really will be looking up.
CobhamBlue
Azpi would become a great player. He and Cole will dominate the Epl next season as the best full backs, did you see his pass to Mata for the goal, pin point and crazy. I hope Wallace and Ryan can learn from them and become beasts.
SameX
Woah, hold on a minute Chelsea were superb in the first half, and defended second half well...Lets have some credit here..Dwonder, if you enjoyed Spuds equaliser more than Chelsea's win , then A) you aint a fan and B) There's something wrong with you IF you are!!
springy
Its so easy to stay behind ur pc and smart phones while talking trash, if the team drew a winnable match or god forbid lose it, u'll all come here spew rubbish about the stupid picture when the PL is our priority, hazard played almost all our games this season, he'll play majority of the swan's game , and the next, same with mata too, no talk of their burnout, u in ur sheety sentimental opinion didn't look at the picture in that did u? Merlin should award this model fans a few CDs for their great support.
Desmondadonis
This being happy and thankful we won talk is just talk mates. How many players from that arsenal starting team will make the starting team at chelsea, united, city, Madrid, and even spurs? After spending the millions we've spent, this chelsea team is supposed to BE winning without terry and Luiz against a pathetic arsenal team at home after being 2-0 up. No one is actually saying Demba Ba should start nor Marlo Marin. But when it is clear a target man is needed to wrap a game up and Juan mata is still displaying a ***** poor performance with his passing and pressing, then maybe a much earlier change is needed.
KAKUfrank
Again. The issue isn't who was off and who was on. But the 2nd half capitulation of his team which is almost the 5th time in less than a month. West ham, QPR, Arsenal, Southampton etc....they continuously outclass this so called tactical genius we have as a coach.
KAKUfrank
Top marks Rafa,well done,brilliant first half football.
THEBREEZE
Okay @Kaku, we will help you inform Rafa that he is not a tactical genius and you are a better manager. Thank you.
SameX
The fact we spent 80m does not mean we should destroy Arsenal automatically, lets be realistic for once, this is the Epl and Arsenal are no push overs, they have a wise and experienced manager that has kept them in top4 for more than a decade, they dominated City and were unlucky not to get at least one point even with 10men.
SameX
Btw, we won even without Ba, Mikel, Moses & Terry.
SameX
KAKUfrank, You're breaching to the choir. We don't like Rafa. We might be meant to beat Arsenal without Terry & Luiz and we did, but nobody's saying it would be easy. I watched a match a couple of months ago where Aston Villa ran Man Utd absolutely ragged but Man Utd still won. Torres should never start! Although this was nowhere near his worst performance his shot just before half-time was absolutely typical of what we have seen for 2 years.
CobhamBlue
First half was great a great performance. Arsenal were not just going to let us roll them over, regardless of their position they are still a very good footballing side, I thought we defended exceptionally well second half and hopefully that will give us the push we need at home to string a few results together. That said I am still bemused by rafa's lack of nous when making substitutions, any fan could see Mata was tiring around the 60 th minute and mistakes crept in to his game.. He should has been replaced instead of Oscar for Bertie, it was right to bring him on, but I felt it was wrong to take off Oscar... As for Fernando, I know people on here hate him, but I think he had a good game, yes he's a striker and his primary responsibility is to score goals but his hold up play and bringing others into the game was spot on.
Splint1976
Not a bad game imo, it's a sweet win..... it's never going to be easy against Arsenal, even if it's their feeder team we are playing against.. . For me, this is not about Rafa, or about Torres, Ba or tactics, it's about Chelsea winning ... 80M doesn't guarantee anything....
Latunvic
@Splint1976, I feel the reason Mata was left is probably because we don't seem to be able to create anything whenever Mata is not on the pitch and that may heap more pressure on us.... with Mata on, there was hope he could still create a few magic and cause more problems for Arsenal's defense.... Taking off Mata would have made us become too defensive and unable to create which is always not too good for us... If he had withdrawn Mata and we lost, I think it's more dangerous to play about 20mins of that match without Mata...
Latunvic
My lord what a bunch of ungrateful aszholes some of u supposed fans are . What a result that was today and u still moan and groan about anything and everything . We're not gonna have total control in a game like that against a top side like Arsenal . They may not have viera henry r bergkamp anymore but they can still play ball like the best of them when needs b . The chelsea lads battled damn hard for those 3points in absolutely dreadful conditions,believe me it was baltic inside yge bridge today .we played 2 types of game today and came home with the points ,what more do some of u want ??? And FV rippin lampard apart ,ur a disgrace man . Lampard was superb off the ball ,hes constantly keeping an eye on his team mates around him and making sure they keep there shape ,he's a leader and organiser and brings calm to the team when they could easily get run ragged . Its not all about assists and 30yard wonder goals u know . I must also say the fans were superb today ,we had the place rockin .I cant say the same about the arsenal fans ,was only a dozen of them r so but they were tryin to start agro on the way home cause a few snowballs were thrown at them ,they were givin it large to a few grown men who had their kids with them and everything ,i couldnt beleive it . They were only a small group but they were still a disgrace to decent Arsenal supporters . Anyway , onwards and upwards ,3 points in the bag now lets catch city and see what happens .KTBFFH
ZolaIsALegend
I do feel for Torres. He looked very determined to change his form, even more with his new haircut. We should have tried to sell him in the summer when he admitted he wants out. He finished last season strong with us, more impressive when he won the Euro golden boot. Now we start to slate him. Poor him, poorer Chelsea
Gaban
LOL My O my...I see a few ppl mentioning that we won without Ba, Moses and even Mikel is being mentioned. Mikel ...the most hated and easiest to blame. I'm glad he's away @ AFCON so he can get a break from the abuse and slander that is never placed on those who are really @ fault. Skysports has the dude in the # 8 shirt as MOTM. From our pole we're clearly not pushing that nonesenes and I'm glad that we were actually watching..lol. Ramirese or Azqui easily..this guy really knows ppl in media. Glad we complete the double over Arsenal and they look to be the ones to miss out on a top 4 finish this season. No more January buys?...After this Wenger may just get M Diame who I've been praying we have a go at. Anyone have an update on Yossi?
had2bg
Spot on @Zola... it's a pathetic case. it appears some CFC fans can't be satisfied these days.. we lose, they lament, we draw, they cry, we win, they weep, we win by one goal, they complain, we demolish a team 5 or 6 - 0, they say it's luck and against a weak team..... LOL! Some people here have more pain than joy supporting Chelsea, why not quit if all the days of your life supporting Chelsea is full of nothing but lamentations and disappointments....
Latunvic
No need SameX. You are both too thick to understand anyway.
KAKUfrank
Not like I asked you to relay any message anyway.
KAKUfrank
roman instead of removing the disease which is torres was firing the doctor who was operating on it....carlo avb rdm.....and now he has bought a fat joker who think he will cure that disease but the facts the disease is spreading like a virus and had fecked chelsea inside out...roman is dumb if he think his pet will come good....the fact that he was clapping for his crap performance shows thays he is more instrested in torres getting in form rather than chelsea winning pl...because anyone who knows something about football knows with torres in team he wont go anywhere...roman is trying to make a dead man walking....and now he has got his yes man mr joker who will do whaterever his master says....
shlok27
it's essential in the next 9 days we get a new striker and defensive midfield, Ba need to start every game and we need a good backup stiker that can score goals(Negredo comes to mind, not too expensive, sevilla willing to sell), as we see againts Arsenal, we have a useless coach, this is depressing to watch, i don't get it why do he wait till 75th-80th mark to make a change
chelsea44
and 20% MOTM for torres? really? the guy done nothing, he is done, can't even hold up ball, bad passing, can't shoot, didn't win any header, he is actually worse than Malouda
chelsea44
Since u are so skilled in the act of coachin and u know more than the coach,i would advice u dust up your UEFA-A licence and go get a coachin to display your tactical nous,lets see if your team would beat the drop...the rovers hotseat is vacant u can apply for that...Merlin should award this VC expert a few trophy for their great tactical input
Ken4CFC
Rafa made decisions that any reasonable being would understand..We dont have enough depth in the squad and u blame the coach for stretchin our best players,as i told u on another thread go review our games and u would see that either one of hazard/mata is subbed when the game is sealed.mata was left on the field as we dont play any better when he is off the field..bertrand was subbed in and u could see the moans from the experts here,however bertrand came in to help cole neutralise the threat of walcott and it worked perfectly(ofcos u wouldnt see that),torres was havin a good game and it was fair to leave him on the pitch since he is makin good impact with only the finishin touch lackin,however he had to be hauled off when the pressure was much...all in all it was a good game that showed both side of our team,the attackin and defensive..if manure and city had done this u would have come here to slate our boys of how they lack character and how they cant hold on their lead..chin up mate,we won,the fans were great,we are 3rd on the log and we can always build on this performance..
Ken4CFC
Why the feck torres is not getting any injury beats me, at least that would make us all have fresh breadth while he's out....#torres out.
LeyemovicH
Do you know how ridiculous you sound @ken.....trying to justify a daft manager is even more #pathetic.
LeyemovicH
The team has been preparing to play in a cold, slippery field all season. Yes, with the salary that players got week in week out the fans deserve more than this. smh
Gaban
ken4cfc i understand your point but i disagree when you said Torres is having a good game, well he's not, as a matter of fact he's useless, he keep loosing the ball, can't even do anything, even the commentator did not realize Torres was on the pitch tells you how awful, and Benitez didn't learn his lesson via QPR, Southampton, West Ham, he didn't bother to change the formation or even the player until the 80th mark when it was clear to me that Hazard and Mata was really tired, instead he subbed Oscar that was not tired and can do much better defending instead of Mata and Hazard, that is like the most basic things he should know,why did he insist on 4231 the whole game, he could have change it, well he don't, and Gaban i don't feel for Torres, he gets 175k every week, he should have perform and score important goals for us and win us games, look at V.Persie, and i don't get why people are saying Torres crop his golden hair to show his seriousness in playing? really? this was the most ridiculous post i have ever seen here, how does cutting your hair makes you more serious? there are many football player out there having the same hair like Torres who perform to it's best
chelsea44
I agree, Torres was not as bad as some people are puting it, he was just unlucky, he wanted to do more but things did not work out for him, he helped the midfield especially in the 2nd half and made some mazy attacking runs, his pace is gradually coming back. He wants to perform better but things are not working out for him.
SameX
What are we going to do about our midfield? are we prepared to pay the prize of breaking individual records on behalf of the club?
derfmesh
If Arsenal had won, would any of you say Benitez did all he could to win that game? He was lucky.
foreign_viewer
leyemovich, think before you posts .
JackSufre
@leyemovich,u sound more ridiculous,how can want our player to get injured??for cryin out loud this might be a good time for us and him but we just have to do what we can to get litle we can out of him til he leaves cos obviously his days are numbered..now back to the coach,if he is so daft as u portray he could have just sent out our fringe players to play arsenal,ffs the guy deserve some credits despite his obvious flaw.u blame him when we lose,now we won u stil blame him,how pathetic does that sound*smh*
Ken4CFC
@KenCfc. How pathetic are you sometimes...Lol. I enjoyed the win yesterday,loved it. Great bragging right,and taunted a few of the Arsenal fans who were trying to start a brawl with the younger fans. I had a few pints with mates and chanted 'We know what we are,Champions of europe' just to get at a few Arsenal fans at the pub. So now the fans were good ei? The atmosphere was buzzing? Amazing...So Rafa could escape criticism for his tactical delivery against opposition we lost two and the players for their below par performance and fans were blamed for the loss because of a poor atmosphere,then the fans deserve to be credited for the win then not Rafa's tactical display or whatever way u try and justify his subs.
nelyvanile
@leyemovich,u sound more ridiculous,how can u want our player to get injured??for cryin out loud this might not be a good time for us and him but we just have to do the best we can to get litle we can out of him til he leaves cos obviously his days are numbered..now back to the coach,if he is so daft as u portray he could have just sent out our fringe players to play arsenal,ffs the guy deserve some credits despite his obvious flaw.u blame him when we lose,now we won u stil blame him,how pathetic does that sound?*smh*
Ken4CFC
@chelsea44,am glad u understand ma point but i dont really think torres was as terrible as people here portray him,the guy worked hard(even though he lost aerial duels),he could have capped his performance with one or two goals but his wastefulness always surface with his final balls,i have always problems with rafa's(and rdm's) late subs and persistence with 4231,but can i do than to support them and hope it does not backfire..one of hazard and mata have to be on the pitch(they are always best creative players),oscar was subbed for bertrand to help cole neutralise the threat of walcott and it worked(though i expected oscar to play 90min)
Ken4CFC
@samex,spot on mate...@FV,we deserve some luck after all we ve been through in the past few months
Ken4CFC
And then you criticize people for trying to be analytical of the game...Well what's the idea of a forum? A lot of people here are knowledgeable of the game than some pundits on sky like jamie Redknapp who basically says the obvious. I am fortunate enough to learn from them,I criticize points I disagree with,with my own analysis and understanding,not damn them to go get a licence or whatever. If you don't like their points or analysis,and can't back it with good analysis,ignore rather than being the air marshall to the holy crew. How you justify Torres being on is beyond me. I'm freaking glad we won,but that still does not stop anyone from being analytical of what could have been done better. Simple analysis and chalkboard showed Arsenal changed their approach in the 2nd half,they pushed higher up the pitch and pressed our midfielders on the ball with more intensity. It was comfortable to pass our way out of defence in the first half due to Arsenals lack of intensive pressing. As soon as they did that in the 2nd half,we switched to route 1 approach( kicking it long to Torres) who basically lost 80% of the aerial duels,something Ba did quite well when he came on and should have been on earlier to give Arsenal something to think about in defence. Torres worked his socks off,and fans acknowledged that except a few sections in the MH who booed him when he was subbed.
nelyvanile
@nely,u really have to get over whatever is eatin u up.i dont have a problem with constructive criticism it paves way 4 a sublime debate but some criticisms here are not just ridiculous but horrible and it makes one feel that guys might learn more about the job by takin up an appointment
Ken4CFC
@nely,i think you are more pathetic sometimes..lol.when we draw or lose and the boos keep ringing out at the bridge u would claim to be there and singin out your lungs..now we won and the fans sang out there lungs and were terrific in supportin the team,where were u?u were at pub tauntin arsenal fans..and i think u are getin all this wrong,am not sayin rafa is beyond criticism,ofcos he has his obvious flaws e.g late subs but there comes a time when the fans also contribute to either the success or failure of the team and yesterday was simply fantastic
Ken4CFC
SameX, This was not Torres worst performance, but that's only because there have been a good few performances when he has put in absolutely no effort whatsoever. Yesterday he was still dreadful. His shot on goal just before half-time was woeful. His hopeless effort to hold-up the ball cost us a goal. He did however make a couple of surging runs but then he'd finish them by losing control of the ball or shooting woefully. He is easily the worst player in the Premier League and would not start for any Premier League team other than Roman's Chelsea. QPR, Southampton & Aston Villa all have better Centre Forwards. I have never seen such a woeful player play regularly for a top Premier League team.
CobhamBlue
Oh shut mate! I was at the bridge as well and went to a pub after the game. This stupid talk of atmosphere responsible for our loses is baseless. If you say the atmosphere was responsible for our loses,then acknowledge that the atmosphere was responsible for our win not Rafa.
nelyvanile
Lmaooooooo @ CobhamBlue.
KAKUfrank
@nely,u should go to the matchday thread and see much negativity spitted out by people who claim to be cfc fans even before a ball was kicked.and some even wish we lose the game because torres was startin,is that how to support a club??,if u are ignorant of the scoreline u might think we actually lost or we were in a losin position..geez,even a fellow on this thread wants a human being to get injured,is that the right way to support our beloved club??
Ken4CFC
@nely,u should go to the matchday thread and see much negativity spitted out by people who claim to be cfc fans even before a ball was kicked.and some even wish we lose the game because torres was startin,is that how to support a club??,if u are ignorant of the scoreline u might think we actually lost or we were in a losin position..geez,even a fellow on this thread wants a human being to get injured,is that the right way to support our beloved club??
Ken4CFC
@nely,sorry 4 misinterpretin your comment and commend u for supportin the team very passionate,but u stil dont get ma point,am not absolvin rafa of all the blames when we lose,ofcos he has his flaws but we as fans also contribute to the failure and success of our team..i faulted rafa for the draws and loses and i also faulted the fans for the boos which in one way or the other also contributed to the draws and loss and now we won i still applauded the rafa,players and fans(check my 2nd comment on this thread)..once again sorry 4 misinterpretin your comment(hope u really *****ed the le arse fans off??...Lol)
Ken4CFC
Are you new on the front page? Seems like you are. I have seen worse on here during Carlo's reign,AVB's reign,RDM's reign...the front page has been filled with ***** load of comments for a while now. The more insightful heads stopped coming here,due to the change in comment quality. I can point to a few people who annoys ma guts with their pathetic comments,sometimes you try to ignore sometimes its hard to...Every fan base have their bad eggs,but its unwise to judge all fans based on a few bad eggs.
nelyvanile
Sure...most of the Chelsea fans did,the Le arse fans were trying to start a brawl by throwing snow balls at some young Chelsea fans and older fans had to intervene by stopping them from reacting to the losers. Top win yesterday...London is blue. Cheers mate.
nelyvanile
Lol@Cobhamblue.... When your defenders and midfielders have scarier shots on target than your 50m CF then you should be seriously worried.
SameX
Torres has lost everything that made him thick but he wasn't that bad yesterday.
SameX
Btw, I love what Oscar did to Sagna, he made Sagna look like a fool. Sagna could not handle him.
SameX
i actually thought Porres had a better game than usual yesterday...he needs to be managed till the end of the season before hes sold to get the best out of him and so that he doesnt affect the dressing room, as Ba cant start every game, lest he burns out. You cant just ban Torres to the reserves, he earns 200k pw. Good win Rafa...
JohnnyOz
Please can we just stop the MOTM poll already? Torres is always getting close the the highest or even the highest ranking.
teepie
I think the stick the fans are the bridge is getting is tad bit ridiculous and unfair. They don't boo Benitez until we were either losing or given up leads due to the coach's inability to adjust to mediocre coach's changes. I wonder what coaches like AVB, Mourinho, Simeone and co will do to him.
KAKUfrank
Am glad we won and i acknowledge it was a big game against a big side and could have gone anywhere,yes sometimes you play ugly yet win. It wasnt an ugly performance althrough,but certainly could have gone better if things were tweaked quite timely. It was obvious we were on the backfoot after the interval and seriously speaking,something needed to be done to match up the 2nd half Arsenal spirit. Our midfield play collapsed and i expected us to make a move to react to that. I repeat am glad we won,but it isnt always smart to ride your luck in games,cos we did rode our luck,at a point it was becoming a matter of just a chance for them to draw level. The issue is more worrisome going by the fact it is becoming a trend going by almost all our recent games;Soton,Swansea,Qpr? I mean we should not be leaving our fate to mere happenstance or mother luck. A more reasonable and proactive approach would have been to increase our chances of scoring and defending better at a time. Cos when we threaten their goal more,they fall back, and seeing that they came all out in the 2nd half,we were in a good position to finish them off. Bring on Ba for an ineffective Lamps,push Oscar back and take Torres to the RW,Oscar would have helped Ramires in absorbing the shocks. Again,Marin should have been brought on quite on time for Mata,more similar players instead of leaving both of them on the pitch at the same time. Admittedly,Bertrand's sub payed off,but that wouldnt have been for Oscar,Mata should have made way or maybe Torres.
Ohans
Am glad we won and i acknowledge it was a big game against a big side and could have gone anywhere,yes sometimes you play ugly yet win. It wasnt an ugly performance althrough,but certainly could have gone better if things were tweaked quite timely. It was obvious we were on the backfoot after the interval and seriously speaking,something needed to be done to match up the 2nd half Arsenal spirit. Our midfield play collapsed and i expected us to make a move to react to that. I repeat am glad we won,but it isnt always smart to ride your luck in games,cos we did rode our luck,at a point it was becoming a matter of just a chance for them to draw level. The issue is more worrisome going by the fact it is becoming a trend going by almost all our recent games;Soton,Swansea,Qpr? I mean we should not be leaving our fate to mere happenstance or mother luck. A more reasonable and proactive approach would have been to increase our chances of scoring and defending better at a time. Cos when we threaten their goal more,they fall back, and seeing that they came all out in the 2nd half,we were in a good position to finish them off. Bring on Ba for an ineffective Lamps,push Oscar back and take Torres to the RW,Oscar would have helped Ramires in absorbing the shocks. Again,Marin should have been brought on quite on time for Mata,more similar players instead of leaving both of them on the pitch at the same time. Admittedly,Bertrand's sub payed off,but that wouldnt have been for Oscar,Mata should have made way or maybe Torres.
Ohans
What most of us don't understand is - our pivot is the problem, the pivot players are suppose to break the opposition play, keep the ball and reduce the pressure on the attacking players and back4. Rami and Lamps did it in the first half but Lamps disappeared in the 2nd period and Rami who is not good holder of the ball was left to do all the dirty job, Wenger saw this and told his players to push higher changing the shape to a 4-1-4-1 setup, Ashley was now in trouble as Lamps and Oscar(he was the one that kept Sagna at bay during the first period and Walcott could not attack much as he had to help Sagna to mark Oscar) were nowhere to be found, Walcott and Sagna attacked and attacked, Cole was exposed and was commiting fouls. Rafa knew that the only way to stop them was to bring on Ryan as he had no pivot player on the bench. Ryan came on and Walcott was no where to be found. All their attack now came from the left flank where Gibbs was giving Azpi all sorts of problems, Hazard was tired and could not track back enough, Torres had to help Azpi at a point. Rafa then withdrew Hazard for a fresh Marin to help push Gibbs back.
SameX
Well i have been around for while now though i started readin from carlo's reign and i must say the negativity on the front page this days is alarming,one start wonderin if this guys are chelsea fans or imposters,but all the same thats human nature there would always be a few bad eggs..when i see some comments i try to ignore but its hard to,but however i enjoy the debates here with a few insightful individuals,i believe the diverse in ideology should bring us closer and not divide us,we are one and we want whats best for how darlin CFC(not the otherway round)...in btw,thumps up to the lads for avertin the brawl...
Ken4CFC
@Ken i think i like the imposters theory, that would definitely explain some of the comments we see...:)
JohnnyOz
*Sorry for the double post! @SameX, u & i made similar observations. I for one saw it that the slotting of Oscar into the pivot for Lamps and a timely introduction of Ba,not for Torres but for Lamps would have increased our ball retention capacity,giving us more possession. With Ba on, we would have increased the lead quite easily. Rafa really should be reading the game better,his inability to understand 2nd half turn arounds goes a long way to underline his reputation for inconsistency.
Ohans
@ohans,point noted but do u really think we are lucky?? Well if u say then let me remind u that teams make their own luck,we had the chance to finish up the game in the 1st half but we were extremely wasteful,then in the 2nd half we created very good chances which torres and ba fluffed amid arsenal dominatin the half.i cant really recollect cech makin an outstandin save in the 2nd half(which shows they dominated but were reduced to half chances) and bertrand was brought in to nullify walcott who seem to pose their only attackin threat(though mata could have made way not oscar),our team really showed a combination of their attackin and defensive qualities...all in all it was a game we could have won by 3,4 or 5 goal margin but our profligacy in front of goal(which has been the story of our season) rear its ugly head on a couple of occassions..but who cares we won the game albeit a solid performance from everyone involved and thats all that matters
Ken4CFC
Playin oscar in the pivot is a very interestin prospect,but dont u think we would be doin more damage to his attackin potentials(remember mikel?),similarly calls were made for luiz to play in the pivot but he has really yield immediate results as some of us thought..havin said that,i hope rafa gives it a thought and if it works then we might ve found the last piece of the jigsaw
Ken4CFC
I really don't understand how Arsenal is still called a top side or how this equates to a big game. How many starters in that team play for top National sides and are even starters for such National sides???
KAKUfrank
I think Oscar's got too much about his game to be a pivot player, he's a number 10 and the Brazilian National team no 10 at that...If we lack numbers due to injury then he can fill in there because he has that level of intelligence about his game but thinking about using him there on a long term basis would be not only taking away from his game and ruining it a la Mikel Obi, it would also amount mean we lose out on his impressive potentiallly game changing array of skill in the final third
JohnnyOz
@Ken, you shouldnt be sounding like that. You should understand the variance in human character and the need to accomodate different attitudes. You. In a community like VC,diverse opinions born out of heterogeneous orientation and world view,you dont xpect people to say the same things or see things in the same way. What is left for you is to sieve the comments you respond to. Moreover, Variety they say is the spice of life. Go to Vital Arsenal and see how much they yearn for comments and membership. If you want to deal with negativity by some fans,the best way to combact it in a place like this is to ignore it. I have followed VC for quite a while,i dont think there is much reason for a blue blooded fan to quit it. If there is,a man as knowledgeable as Merlin could have well lost interest in it.
Ohans
@ohans,i have already taken note of that,if i respond to a comment thats because i want to engage in a debate and if u dont want to then dont reply i would move on,like i said earlier,diverse in ideology should not divide us but should unite us..i vist other vital sites and its like a graveyard,only VC and maybe Vital spuds stand out among the rest and thats all due to the hardworks of merlin,the editors,and all posters....
Ken4CFC
@ohans,I respect people's opinion alot even when i dont agree but not when u start wishin your team a loss because of a player u dont like in the line up or wishin a player gets injured...readin comments from the likes of gabeu,djdutts,kaku,nely,mq,latunvic,desmond,yourself e.t.c i learn a lot from their sentiments even when i dont entirely agree with it..
Ken4CFC
KAKUfrank You are spot on with your observations. Of course we don't have God given right to dominate Arsenal with ease, but we are supposed to do that when we have 2 0 lead. As well as against Southampton. It looks like we need 3 0 lead to avoid big pressure. Hadn't Cahill made that superb match winning tackle they would get what you mean. Whether people like it or not, that penalty could have been yelloe card for Ramirez, if there was Webb instead of Atkinson. People wouldn't be so annoyed if it was just one game.
Luna
Playing Oscar in a role slightly behind the front 3 in a 4-3-3 or behind the triumvirate in a 4-2-3-1 doesnt necessary mean you re using him as a defensive shield the way Mikel was used. Oscar will be placed in a spot and style similar to Modric's role when he was in Spuds. He will regularly find himself in attacking positions and will be free enough to control games,throw pass,long and short ,as well as defending with his defensive instinct. He naturally fits that role and moreso as his direct assist rate is very low despite playing in the final third or in advanced midfield positions for the majority of the season. His intelligence and trickery will benefit us more in the heart and engine of the team,the orthodox no.10.
Ohans
Benitez = win; draw; loss..........
avbhimself
Maybe the problem is that Benitez needs good DM for his tactics or decent DM with CM with superb range of passing. Maybe he finds it difficult to manage the team efectively for 90 mins without these kind of players?
Luna
Just like AVB needed players by his standards, young, quick, players he has chosen to manage his team with success. When I think about it, many managers need certain type of players to achieve good results. Quite fFew of them are able to adapt and remain successful with any squad. Some managers just need certain players for their tactics and everything.
Luna
I see what you say Ohans re Oscar but i still doubt his physicality for a CM role...he's still relatively lightweight our Oscar is...we really should be looking at Benat/Isco for that role to support Luiz, Romeu, lamps and Mikel. and regarding Rambo, do cfc fans also believe he dived for that penalty against arse n anal? honestly? because GaryNeville/Jamie Redknapp say so on sky sports that means its law??...I thought that was the most clear cut penalty decision of the year so far. Feck GNeville and his ManUtd bias...Rambo was one on one with the Goalie why would he go down?...the keeper was very very lucky to stay on the pitch imo
JohnnyOz
Benitez= going downside......Benitez + Torres= straight Botttom
shlok27
Luna,It is left for him to figure out what he needs and stop messing up our matches.
Ohans
Isco is not a deeplying playmaker. He is a CAM like Mata, but he is faster, stronger and much more skillful than Mata. Mata is only wiser, experienced, more creative and can score goals than Isco.
SameX
Ohans,very interestin dossier on the utilization of oscar,rafa prefers the 4-2-3-1 with a touch of width hence he starts moses ahead of oscar but if he can innovate a new formation that would accomodate oscar i would be extremely glad.the poor boy's brazilian shirt is at stake,he an exceptional talent we ve to tap into,however i would be watchin closely how events unfold in the comin days...@luna,i agree with u,some coaches need certain type of players to succeed,i hope rafa has his own here(unlikely) if not he should exploit the transfer market,we ve been very quiet in past few days(guess its gona be a deadline day signin again)
Ken4CFC
Yea, Johnny, if that isnt a penalty,i wonder what is. He was clearly brought down after successfully displacing the goalie. Like you,szeczny(or whatever) was lucky to remain in the field after that. I was surprise to read that Wenger complained about that.
Ohans
One Gooner said Cazorla proved he was shoulders above Mata because he had an assist & Mata didn't... Lol!
blueblood92
Ken, our quietness in this tranfer window is begining to give me worries. We've loaned out some ready youngsters already and we players on national duty,why overwork the slim squad when we have the chance of making 1 or 2 additions
Ohans
Its becomin worrisome,considerin how thin our squad is one would have taught we would be very active in the market but so far its seems we just bought ba and went to sleep..if we must do business,it should be done quickly,am beginin to hate those our traditional deadline day deals.i just hope the board know what they are doin and surprise us with some mouth-waterin deals..
Ken4CFC
yea the board are dithering wrt transfers in this window...I would have expected one of Aspas/Schurrle and Benat to have been signed up by now...Like you said they must have some considerations which we can only speculate about...c'mon Emenalo, pull your finger out lol
JohnnyOz
We really need to get another striker to support ba unless we would overwork ba and relay on torres in the EL
Ken4CFC
I've been quiet for a while on the site, but I do have one serious question to ask people: Choice A: Tomorrow CFC announce Rafa Benitez to leave his post effective immediately. Choice B: Rafa continues to manage CFC until May 31st when a new longer term manager takes charge. Simple question..... Choice A or Choice B????
Bizarre_Blue
Yup - despite Torres's improved performance yesterday, we won the game inspite of him rather than bacause of him, we still appear to be playing one man short when he is on the field so a substitute for Demba is very much a priority in this window, for me. I'm sure that if we can see it, then the footballing people that run our club must see that too, unless they're blinded by the 50 quandary that is FT9 and in the optimism that he will regain some of his old form...I do not share their optimism...however, we dont know their thought processes so maybe we just need to be patient and all will be revealed soon enough....Anyway the window closes in 10 days & counting....
JohnnyOz
How does torres keep getting a regular big score in the mom poll its beyond me,we got lucky against gooners we are a team of two halves what is going on in the half time team talk.answer b but then he leaves for a very long term replacement
herefordchelsea
No Brainer - Choice B for me... If we go with Choice A, chelsea will be playing Europa League football again next season...
JohnnyOz
Choice C - Rafa gets a 5 year contract as permanent manager of CFC...?
JohnnyOz
hahahaha - i can imagine some of you having heart palpitations at the thought of choice C....calm down - just kidding...
JohnnyOz
@ohans, u raised a reasonable point about oscar in the modric role, but u forgot one important point, spurs didn't play the 4-2-3-1 formation, I am of the opinion that we should have atleast 2 standard formations and not rely on the 4-2-3-1, with that we would not be as predictable as we are now and we will have the element of suprise that can be the edge for us....... @kencfc, it is clear u don't know me, but a few VC fans who know me personally and the ones I correspond with on daily basis know that I am not a negative fan, my comments are not negative but they are comments born out of what I see and how I see it, I don't have much in my brain, but I know when things are wrong, my analysis might not help win us games but its not a smoke without fire reaction, it is easy for u guys who can continue seamlessly with ur lives if chelsea lose, but there are some fans here who won't eat and lost appetite if we lost or draw, a friend of mine who is a 25 year old guy wept like a baby on the night of moscow, so u need to understand the emotion, rafa did somethings very wrong yesterday and even in other games that shows that he is riding his luck, if arsenal equalised when cahill made that superb challenge, I tell u they might nick a win, u expect a top club like chelsea not to fret when we are two goals up, I know u will point out that barca lost after going ahead against sociedad, but how many times do they lose like that? Maybe once in 10 games, but with rafa it is beginning to happen over and over again, there are days in the mourinho era when we score a goal and u already knew no way the opponent are coming back into that game, we have the personnel and we can do better, if we lose playing well, I won't complain, I never do that, but if we win by 6-0 and we don't play well I'll complain and bitch about it, that is just me, so please, if u'll be directing comments to me, learn this and don't make provocative comments, VC is dry of insults for almost a month now and layorh really helped with my outburst back then
Desmondadonis
@ Desmond sounds like your 25 yo friend that wept like a baby after Moscow might be you? looool Dont fret mate - i know fully grown folks that proper cried that night...it was gut wrenchingly devastating, how the game in Moscow ended... Anyway - we have the Munich memories now so good :)
JohnnyOz
@johnny, naw it wasn't me, if it was I am man enough to admit it, scolari days prepared me a bit for loses, but still the blue in me still protest at some silly loses...what I do when my team loses will suprise u a bit but definitely not crying
Desmondadonis
Btw guys on transfers, there is nothing concrete yet, but I got me a feeling that we might get one of willian or isco, but I don't know who is actually better as I avnt seen isco as I did willian, I am leaning towards willian
Desmondadonis
Well cech was ceching it before thibaut was thibauting it! Our ssquad will constipate with quality players next season, I just hope roman would higher a manager and football director that will handle that influx and maximize their potentials www.laligablog.com/2013/01/21/courtois-proves-atletico-are-more-than-just-falcao/
Desmondadonis
Hire* lols so sorry
Desmondadonis
Torres wasn`t great, but we won, what are people complaining about. Remember if it wasn`t for Torres, we would not have won the Champions League last year, Benfica away, Barcelona away and who won the corner for Drogbas goal in Munich. He is not the player he was, we know that and we should have kept Sturridge instead of our blonde bommer. But while he wears our blue, get behind him, like every other player that represents Chelsea Football Club.
Blueheart9
Never again lool
JohnnyOz
That dude is done mate...Unless he comes in and gives Drogba like performances from now till the end of the season, then we need to make sure the Board sell him in the Summer (by letting them know what we think about him at home games, he's almost single handedly sent this club into the doldrums)......For me the FT9 boat has already sailed
JohnnyOz
Really only 1 answer?? I have to say I'm with you Johnny. Choice B and let Rafa see out the season with someone new (and hopefully long term) coming in for the Summer. In an ldeal world I think we'd all like to see a manager actually get a few years at the helm. It's scary to think that the last "long term" manager we had was Carlo. AVB brought temporary hope that Roman was going to give us a long-termer, but that soon faded. RDM for me was never actually going to get more than one year as he wasn't Roman's choice but more of the fan's request. Benitez is the temporary stop gap until someone fresh takes over, and I don't think there's any chance of choice C happening unless Rafa pulls of some sort of miracle by winning the COC, FA cup and(or) the Europa League whilst finishing a close runner up in the premier league. With current form I can't see us doing ANY of those things, so he won't be here come June/July unless there are no better options! Come back Jose... all is forgiven!
Bizarre_Blue
@desmond,points noted,sorry if the comment upset u,there is absolutely no need for talkin up insults..i never meant to be insultive it was actually meant to exchange banter..the 'negative fans' remark wasnt meant for u,its aimed at those folks who wished we lost the game yesterday and those who wished a player get injured...however i ve come to realise we are all here for one purpose which is to see CFC successful...i felt the pain of your friend on the night of moscow,it was terrible few months for me but the MUNICHGLORY has washed away all the pains of yesterday..hopefully the CL victory is the beginin of many good things to come..
Ken4CFC
 

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