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Rafa - One Last Chance!

Another poor result has heaped more pressure on our under-fire interim manager, Rafa Benitez.

On the back of several poor results, since Christmas, it is being inferred, by the tabloid press, that the forthcoming game with Wigan Athletic, this Saturday, could be win or bust for the Spaniard,

The tabloid press have picked up on the fact that Roman Abramovich is not happy at our post-Christmas downward spiral and if the run of form, in any way, threatens our chances of cementing a top-four place, and subsequent Champions League qualification, then Benitez will be summoned and dismissed.

Quite who, if the inference is correct, would assume managerial control, remains the great unanswered question!




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The Journalist

Writer: Merlin Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday February 4 2013

Time: 7:46AM

Your Comments

HOPE ITS HIS LAST GAME THERE...CANT SEE HIM ANYMORE...TWO TWO USELESS PEOPLE AT SAME TIME...THATS TOO MUCH TO BEAR...GOD WE ARE HUMANS NOT ROBOT TO TAKE THAT MUCH OF BURDEN..
shlok27
Its already late in my opinion. We should have sacked him after the toon result. With all arguments about replacements and all i dont buy it at all. Just sack him atleast to get the fans and players around. His SACKING will atleast give a boost that is required and unite the club.
BlueAndWhiteArmy
I agree. We have seen enough chances wasted. A very poor manager would have done better only by motivating the team in a proper way. Rafa is no manager of our level ant that is why he has been unemployed for a long while. We're lucky still to be third. Had a couple of our chasers been little better we'd be fifth and with this kind of results that will be the highest we will get. The picture is complete when we look at the teams that have taken points of us: mostly very poor, giving their all, playing their tactics stringently. We have a poor lower midfield where we field players more suitable to play higher up. That is why tactically we lose possession and don't regain it again. At times there is simply too much space in front of our defenders for the opponent to use. I'd clear Emenalo (responsible of the appointment of Rafa) at the same time. Bring in Hiddink and Mourinho.
1970Blue
U sent a man to a gun-war,arm him with a kitchen knife and expect him to be successful...
Ken4CFC
@ken4...but the probem is with that kitchen knife he is killing our men only...
shlok27
No shlok,the problem is the kitchen knife is blunt and cant even pierce a fruit not to talk of human
Ken4CFC
we sack him the hire who?? RDM is not coming back....maybe Hiddink as a temp solution but knowing how 'pragmatic' his football is, I doubt we'll see the true ability of Oscar, Hazard & Mata.
@Mq
Our "problem" is that we concede too many late goals, which points to fatigue mentally and physically. We've all seen how good we are till after the 75th minute, and with our shortage of "depth" i.e. Ba cannot play 2 games/week 90minutes because of his knees, we always struggle to see the game out. 2 goal leads are normally enough to kill a game off, but with us it's seemingly failing.
@Mq
lol another imminent manager arrival at the sewerage farm...
Mix26
Solution: Get a 2 goal lead by the 60th minute then immediately start counter attacking. Easier said than done I guess, but clearly what we doing now isn't working so we need to innovate
@Mq
R.A made a big mistake firing RDM. While RDM was not a perfect he had passion and vision for Chelsea. R.A made another big mistake perhaps his biggest in mistake of his career hiring RB.
Kelly11
Get a 2 goal lead and replace Lampard with a player who can possess and repossess the ball.The problem is who is capable of that?
derfmesh
First, we have no Essien type enforcer in midfield, just a couple of boys not suited to PL. Second, the players are not fit enough to last 90 minutes as we can see by the number of late goals given away, that is due to a poor pre-season. Third neither of those two isseus can be resolved by yet another sacking, Ken4cfc is quite right, like him or not Rafa was handed a blunt knife so there is not much he or anyone else can do at this stage of the season. Thursday nights next season, if indeed we can make 5th.
Ranners
I love the blunt knife analogy...but RdM had the blunt knife and when he left we were within striking distance with that blunt knife...Rafa used the knife to butter his bread and gave up on the war...even with the addition of Ba...the man has done worse than RdM....no one can say Rafa is an upgrade on RdM...Rafa was unemployed for years for a reason...we are finding that reason with each passing game...make the youth coach interim....and see results improve...
Gian-Franco/Luca
ppl should stop this nonsense that RDM couldn't have done worse than Rafa because by the time RDM left we had been "found out". We were embarrassed in the Champs League and luckily he left earlier before we saw him lose even worse
@Mq
Lest you forget, RDM hadn't managed us playing 2 games every week. The only time he did so (end last season) we dropped to 6th place
@Mq
Rdm had the opportunity to sharpen the blunt knife,he did that partially and when the knife went blunt again he was bursted,rafa inherited the blunt knife and has not been given the chance to sharpen it..@gian,rafa wanted negredo,we gave him ba
Ken4CFC
@mq,tell them..they forgot we were already in a downward spiral when rdm left
Ken4CFC
If RDM couldn't have done worse than Rafa (currently) and your example for such reasoning is that RDM left us 4 points behind Man$hitty and now we 7, can we say AVB was better than both?? He left us in 3rd place, still in the FA Cup and Champs League....
@Mq
I am not a master of blame game or fingers pointing. It' easy to point the finger at any person but I think the problem is not just RAFA, the players should take responsibilities as well. My sources just informed me that the decision has been made to sack RAFA. Spurs winning yesterday made the decision a must. I wish RAFA good luck in his future job.
jollyheart Torres
you can't be conceding late goals and laying blame on the Manager all the time, when do the players also get blamed?? Agreed with JOLLYHEART
@Mq
It is probably a question of who to engage between Rafa and Mourinho that delays action, I would assume. Jose and investment, that's the medicine, but what to do in between?
1970Blue
Whilst we're on the "blunt knife" analogy, let me add my thoughts. RDM was doing well, but even in his final days it was blatant to me that our squad was tiring and we were in for another typical November. I agreed with his sacking only on the basis that the squad were beginning to look tired and I felt a shake up with a new manager would have helped to fend off that typical November where we drop hugely behind the leaders. Sadly the Novemeber turned into the Winter of our Discontent when Rafa came to charge. Results haven't improved as we still have our undermanned and over-tired players. I don't care if we had the Godly Guardiola or Masterful Mourinho or Help-Out Hiddink, the results would be the same with THIS squad of players. We think we can bring in one striker to fix everything. It's a joke. No JT has meant no leadership on the pitch and it shows. We are a dead-team walking at the moment. So back to the "blunt knife" analogy. We're trying to cut steel in this league and the competitions we're failing in. RDM nearly broke the knife in the ECL and it was only a matter of time before it was too blunt to cut it in the EPL. Rafa took over with an already faltering tool and didn't have the skills to wield it properly. The result is a team who look lost on the field, and the change of manager that should have helped DIDN'T. No fresh legs in Jan means we are no seriously underfire until the end of the season. Sit back and do your best to support lads and ladies, this is going to be one heck of a bumpy ride!!
Bizarre_Blue
Benitez should not have been employed by CFC in the 1st place, we all know that. But look at who was on the bench. Turnbull - Rubbish . . Yossi - Past it . . . Ferreira - Past it . . Marin - Not good enough and a young kid Ake, so what chance has any manager in the world got to change the game ? It`s pathetic, the board are responsible for this mess, we can`t keep blaming managers. If Jose comes back next year, we need at least 6 world class players, Mata, Hazard, Cole and Cech are the only players good enough for the future.
Blueheart9
So let's look at what we do have: An aging but solid GK, two good RBs but nothing world class, 1 great CB but aging, 2 adept CBs, 1 great but aging LB and one reasonable LB. One reasonable DM, 2 reasonable CMs, 2 world class attacking mids plus 3/4 reasonable attacking mids. One good striker. Let's face it, our squad depth is nothing more than average, and we have no team multiplying factor as the boys don't play as a unit on the field. Yet despite this we expect to challenge the world class City squad (from individual talent depth) or the world-class United squad (from world class team unity). We have neither the unity nor the individual brilliance to compete, and yet we think we should be higher than 3rd this season. I don't get it....
Bizarre_Blue
I have to agree our squad depth is average.
Elbowz
If u take a look at the bench u will weep,how do we expect any manager to change a game with a bench of turnbul,fereira,yossi,marin,ake e.t.c,i miss those days when i look at the bench and see the likes of anelka,kalou,belleti,malouda,meireles,essien,deco e.t.c
Ken4CFC
It's a pity such objectivity is absent BIZARRE and Rafa's getting all the blame for it. Anyone else objective can see the problem is more than just the Manager, but Rafa's still getting the blame
@Mq
I'm of the opinion that either 1) Roman has indeed lost interest or his interest has waned, or 2) we set for a busy summer, given we didn't spend much this Jan when clearly we needed a CM at the very least. The former I'm not sure but suspect (give it 10%) but the latter I'll give it 80% especially given how many players will be out of contract come May.
@Mq
I don't understand this blantant I'll concealed support of rafa, I believe rafa won't win the UCL with rdm's team and won't even get to the FA cup final, RDM is a better bet than him and only suffered because of squad depth and a miss firing striker, torres misses ruined rdm's opportunity and it was obvious, rdm would have been growing experience on the job which I agree he lacked, on the other hand rafa is a seasoned coach, who have coached in the 3 top leagues in europe, he have been at top clubs and won a collection of trophies, he was brought in as an upgrade for rdm, but unfortunatley he didn't bring anything to the table, the difference between a mediocre coach and a world class coach is that they utilize their players and make them give them 100% irrespective of their quality, arsene wenger is using players that are not as good as our loaned players over the years and he still grinds out wins one way or the other and always make the top 4, liverpool under rodgers are finding their feet now because he made do with what he has, is suso,henderson better than kdb? Is sterling better than piazon? Marin and perhaps thorgan hazard? A good coach would make do with what he have and won't lose a lead for the past coupla games as our squad is doing now, I agree that the players should be blamed too, but we all know they are tired and it is rafa's job to manage them intelligently, Ask urselves, is rafa utilizing this players as he should? Is ba that weak that he can't play 2 games in a week? Why doesn't he start ba and yank him off in the 2nd half instead of playing torres for 90mins and bringing ba in as a last minute sub? Is that justified? Let us be fair in our reasoning and not be blinded by biased loyalty which most of you didn't give rdm. It is time for rafa to go, if he is the coach till the end of the season we won't make top 4 and that is a fact, you are thinking if hazard,mikel and moses comes we'll be stronger, that is true but after a few games we'll transfer the blame from torres, iva and bertie to mikel, moses and hazard..... Wake up and smell the damn coffee, rafa is inept
Desmondadonis
@mq Yes I agree that objectivity is missing in some cases, but that doesn't excuse the fact that Rafa WAS the best choice we had available at the time. The problem is that he has not been able to get the results to win over the partisan sections of our fan base. As a result more and more people have turned on him and now he is in a completely untennable position. The only result that will appease those who are only focused on short-termism is for Rafa to go. At that point I cringe as to where we are with our club. For me we could end up becomming Liverpool Mk2 and dropping down to 5-7th in the league for the next 2 years until we bring our squad back to strength. Go back to our last great season (Carlo's double) and see the difference in our team. We had Alex who was a solid player to call on (now we have Luiz) not to mention Carvalho. We had a more sturdy midfield with Essien (despite injuries), a 2-3 year younger Lampard, Malouda on form (now we have Mata/Hazard/Moses), but we also had a 2-3 year younger JT, Cole plus Drogba and a host of squad players of the calliber of Belleti, Ballack, Kalou, Anelka, Deco. Where and how have we replaced these players????
Bizarre_Blue
If not for rdm's inexperience and lack of foresight, we won't be in this mess, he should have insisted on another striker and be firm in his resolve not to loan essien and sell of merieles, or kdb
Desmondadonis
mq....i agree our bnch was not strong enough....but why the hell then you dont take chance by plying marin in place of ryan...is ryan was good enough...try something different we are asking that only....its about trying rather than crying...and rafa cries a lot...i blame rafa more for our posiion rather than the board...the boar has to be blame no doubt for their idiotic decesion of binging rafa here...but rafa is worse in all department when it comes o tactical department and when it comes to motivating some....we lack the spirit under rafa which we had under rdm..
shlok27
Ba has a knee condition that says he can't play 2 games every week DESMOND do your research ffs
@Mq
So let's actually do some comparisons: 2009 vs Now. We have Cech, JT, Cole, Lampard, Ivan, Paolo, Mikel (All +3yrs in age). Alex and Carvalho left and Cahill, Luiz in. I say that's a fair swap although our original players were slightly better back in the day. Deco is out and replaced with Mata (we got a better player now). Essien, Ballack, Belleti gone but you could say Ramires and Romeu have come into replace. Again there's no like for like depth replacement. Up front we had J.Cole, Kalou, Anelka and Drogba who have been replaced by Hazard, Oscar, Moses, Marin and Torres. Hazard and Oscar are good, but the others don't make up for the loss. Finally we have brought in Ba, but is that too little too late? We just don't have the level of depth we once had across the entire team. Depressing :(
Bizarre_Blue
Maybe Rafa's not been good enough lads but if we have been leading all the games we've lost under Rafa (apart from the QPR game) only to concede in the 80th+ minute is that still entirely Rafa's fault?? Yes he's had faults but its time we also looked at the players and why they concede plenty late goals, which I believe is due to fatigue. Can you blame fatigue on Rafa too??
@Mq
Also should have mentioned Bosingwa vs Azpi (we have a better player now!).
Bizarre_Blue
@Mq....yaa i blame fatigue for rafa also...having him and torres at once would make any team fatigue...lookng at them each and everyday would make anyone's day bad...
shlok27
Am glad we are beginin to accept d problem is deeper than rafa,we had a woeful pre-season but we overlooked it and made terrible decisions,rdm was not firm in his resolve and we started the season with a dangerous gamble which has backfired....
Ken4CFC
if we never fired RDM we might still be in striking distance...his performance in da pressure cooker that he was facing last season is enough to attest to my assertion...rafa on da other hand has a penchant for taking ucl winning teams and taking them a decade back....the fools...inter etc...plus he is not accountable...so defend him all you want but his reptilian deameanor will be exposed soon enough...
Gian-Franco/Luca
Lol@Shlok,be objective for once
Ken4CFC
Behind most of our current problems is Roman' assinine (spelled with only one 's' but I like the 'ass' in there...it's appropriate) decision-making. There is a long history going back to the Sheva acquisition and Jose's dismissal. But the latest is the utterly stupid and mind-numbing decision to fire RDM and hire the hated Benitez. What was he thinking?????? And don't tell me that was a Gourlay decision...Roman signs off on major decisions like that. Rich Ruskie Buffoon Il Supreemo!!!!!
Squig
i love it here...ppl say when it comes to our hero as a player and a coach...he was not firm enough...when it comes to the bloated snake...with a window just shut...the board did not back him...lovely...just lovely....look with what rdm had...every game was filled with possibility...even in the defeat to manure it was clear who the better team was...as he proved days later in a spectacular shootout with the soon to be champs....we drew with liverpool through an offside goal etc...plus we all agree that the squad that won the ucl was worse than the one that lost the cwc...and rdm did it against superior opposition....napoli...benfica...barca...bayern...and he did the job...but rafa is filled with excuses...
Gian-Franco/Luca
@mq, u do ur research, are u telling me when we have 2 premier league games in a wekk newcastle play him in one and rest him in the other? Pls don't interfere in what u don't know about, if u have a link where ur quote is stipulated, pls post it and I'll admit my error
Desmondadonis
@Squig, I think I can understand a meaning in firing RDM - The club tried to avoid what appeared to be a drop in team performances ahead of November. In previous seasons (Carlo and AVB) the pre-xmas window ruined our chances in the league and early warning signs were happening again. The problem was once they (the board) had hit the self destruct button then there was no going back. RDM went and they began to panic when they couldn't entice Pep. Enter Rafa into the fray. A manager who had Cup Winners Cup experience, European experience, top-level Premier league experience. His CV said everything some HR lackie was looking for. They probably assumed that when Rafa turned us around and got us winning and competing (maybe winning a cup or two in the process) that we (the fans) would suddenly start cheering for him. Bottom line is that they were BADLY wrong. If Rafa was winning then I'd say let him stay on until Summer. The fact is that he isn't winning. He's hated here and the athmosphere is adding one more problem when we already have enough of them with 1) Squad Depth for fatigue 2) Player Injuries 3) Too many players on loan 4) Looming FFP capping our Jan Spend 5) Long Term stability issues 6) An inept board or directors 7) An "over-enthusiastic" owner 8) Player contracts being debated in the public eye 9) An awful level of PR and public support and finally 10) Rapid expansion onto a global scale with regard to the Chelsea Brand bringing higher expectations, costs and more complicated revenue schemes. Like I said, Rafa might be a major problem, but this club as grow outside of its means and we are beginning to suffer. P.s. Speaking of growth: 11) The need for a new stadium and/or sponsorship deals
Bizarre_Blue
@ken4....haha...i have lost all the objective in my lif after this torres rafa roman love affair started...dont know when this love story will end...
shlok27
Oh just in case we do have any club staff trawling this site, feel free to ask me for my CV if a suitable position becomes vacant ;) Given the nightmare we seem to be placing our Brand through right now, I think I'd be able to make some improvements!!
Bizarre_Blue
@gian, rdm relied too much on mazacar, he didn't have a plan B and his last 2 games really undid him against westbrom and juve was it? We might argue that he might have turned it around (which I really believe) but the fact remains that he might not, but the glaring truth in this whole debacle is that rafa is worst than rdm
Desmondadonis
'if we never fired RDM we might still in striking distance' Really?? What about his performance in da pressure cooker he faced at westbrom?? There is absolute no prove that we could have been better with him still incharge,remember we were already in a downward spiral when he was sacked...RDM is equally havin a penchant for starting well,being terrible along the line,never recover and eventually getin the boot....the baggies...chelsea...
Ken4CFC
@bizzarre blue, u sir really know how to make someone learn a thing or two about football. I appreciate that reasoning
Desmondadonis
There's no point replying most of this comments about squad depth bla bla bla...Going to a war? What's ur definition of going to a war? A war is fighting to win the UCL,fighting to win the EPL,wining the CWC. Don't tell me making a champions league spot is war...This squad can make a champions league spot,with an inconsistent Arsenal team,and a Spurs team that's suffering with injuries and lacking in depth as well. That's a bloody excuse...Spurs played with Dempsey as striker and still managed to win 1-0...The quality of a good manager is making the best out of what uve got. Let's agree our squad is not on the level to battle City and Manutd,but is our squad not good enough to get top 4? If u say No its not...then no point debating this.
nelyvanile
Well said Bizzare...good points.
nelyvanile
Thanks DESMOND. I'm lucky enough to work for a business that has hyper-expanded over the past 6-8 years and in doing so we've had major issues to deal with (in a good way). It makes me appreciate just how far Chelsea as a BUSINESS have come since the mid-90s. We moved from just another good British club (Everton status!) to a massive global business and football force. That brings in major headaches with regard to off-field activities even though most of the long-term fans seem to forget just how far we've come (and I don't mean ON the field either!). There is now an expectation for our club to succeed. This brings in new fans and new sponsors/partnerships. It means we have to have a presentable global image as well as stars who act as global ambassadors for our brand image. Does anyone think it looks good when our Captain get's involved in a sex scandal followed by a racism row? How about when one of our best players gets involved in a sex scandal followed by a training ground shooting incident? How about when arguably our best ever player uses public post-match interviews to discuss disagreements with the current manager or his own contract situation? Do you see the CEO of Google coming out and say "Well I think we've put in a good performance, now if only the board would give me another year at the helm I think we'd get on just fine". Professional Sport and business are not that different anymore. People are beginning to turn on Roman thinking he's getting too many things wrong, but as a businessman I think he's done most things right at this club until a few recently. Our success on AND off the field since his ownership speaks volumes of how the guy has helped bring forward our club. Now IMHO, he needs to appoint a new CEO in terms of footballing matters (Hiddink?) and then let a new shift manager come in to get the lads playing. We need our players to forget about the crazy world off the pitch and just to go on there and simply play football. Having fans booing Rafa or cheering RDM at 16mins is certainly NOT helping them block out the circus. Like I said, just my opinion of what's going on behind the scenes. I have no other evidence than what we all see in the public eye. No secret insider knowledge. Just plain old common sense ;)
Bizarre_Blue
Shlok,relax mate,the whole episode will soon be over
Ken4CFC
I think you guys should go through this links and come back to debate mourinho www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/chelsea-transfers.html ............ www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/02/26/2928862/crisis-at-chelsea-inter-imploding-but-jose-mourinhos .............. m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1092383-the-toxic-legacy-of-jose-mourinho-at-chelsea-fc .............. worldsoccer.about.com/od/leaguesandclubs/p/Jose-Mourinho.htm
Desmondadonis
Do spurs and arsenal boo sack and boo their managers(like we do)??,do they have same fixture congestion like we do?? Well if u dont see top4 as a war thats your cup of tea,with the way our season has been and the mandate given to the manager,top4 is our priority,its our war...only a magician would do any better with the current squad condition...goin by your logic,any manager that fails to make do with what he has is a bad manager,then am afraid there is no good manager out there..jose is failin at madrid,avb,scolari failed here,hiddink failed at madrid and betis,lippi failed on his 2nd attempt with italy e.t.c does that make them all a bad coach because they didnt bring out the best in what they have??...the problem of the team is not just quality,but quality depth,if we had quality depth it would have afford the coach luxury of restin keyplayers and avertin accumulated fatigue which has been our undoin..if that has been taken care of earlier in the season,we would not be debatin top4 but the epl trophy itself
Ken4CFC
I'll send the link shortly DESMOND
@Mq
i QUOTE...Benitez will rotate Fernando Torres and Demba Ba, who cannot play three games a week because of a chronic knee condition, to get them across the finishing line this season...
@Mq
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2270373/Chelsea-owner-Roman-Abramovich-orders-Rafa-Benitez-deliver-finish.html#ixzz2JwVSG99E
@Mq
So apparently our squad is not good enough to beat QPR,Southampton,Reading,Swansea,Brentford? Yeah right! Its a 'blady excuse!' like my Scottish friend will say.
nelyvanile
Well folks have to say I was actually quite hopeful when Benitez was given the job that he would bring some tactical understanding an nous to the team but have to say I have been totally underwhelmed at his performance. Whilst I might agree that a game every 3 days makes it difficult to manage tiredness of the players - he would have taken the job knowing what the fixture list looked like. But what has disappointed me the most is his apparent inability to change things (like maybe the formation?) when things are not working. Some of his subs leave me and others bemused and tactically he seems incapable of changing things for the better. In at least 3 games he has been in charge of (QPR/READING/BRADFORD), I would have made at two if not three changes at half time had I been in charge - something Jose was never afraid to do when he was at the club! - Quite frankly if Rafa were to leave now (along with Bolo) and the Tea Lady was put in charge until the end of the season I would feel happier and more optimistic!
johnboyblue
@mq thank you for taking your time to get the link, but you got it wrong, it was written that ba can't play 3 games in a week and not two games in a week, now to buttress my points please explain this soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/99215/demba-ba?cc=5739 www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=49737 www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/9775933/Newcastle-United-will-be-better-off-without-Demba-Ba-the-ultimate-football-mercenary.html I did my research apparently
Desmondadonis
When u check the way he played and the games he started in the link below, you will know it is nowhere the rubbish rafa is making us believe, you guys should admit that you are wrong about rafa's tactical nous.... We say pep was helped with messi's outrageous form (which I truly believe and I am waiting for him to proof me wrong) yet he got the whole elite club in europe pinning after his signature, apart form chelsea, how many top club went for rafa's signature after inter? soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/99215/demba-ba?cc=5739
Desmondadonis
sack wafa and let steve holland take over until the end of the season and let this nightmare end!!!!
belfastblue1
Well under these circumstances u tend to lose or draw games like that..
Ken4CFC
And then sack steve holland in the next two month and let bolo zenden take over until the end of the season and let this nightmare season end!!!!
Ken4CFC
The team sent out to play QPR,reading,brentford and southampton were good enough to beat them silly even without a coach but the players are physically and mentally fatigued,the individual errors of the players also contributed (alongside the scapegoat)to the dropped points
Ken4CFC
@Bizarre_Blue.....Roman is our blessing and our bane. Blessing in that he cares fanatically about the club and has been responsible for the successes we have had since he came in. He's made it what it is. But that was was brought about with HIS MONEY...not so much his smarts, buying the talent and the names to do that. The owners of Citeh, with more expenditure have built a similar team, albeit not yet similar in terms of winning success. The bane? His penchant for total control and interference (I realize it's his team, his money and his prerogative),buying pet-project 'lame' big names (Sheva and Torres ) and his impatience- constantly changing the managers at the first sign of trouble resulting in a lack of consistency in just about everything...managerial strategy, goals, style of play, etc. etc. The stupidest of all decisions was the last...hiring Tubs. And don't tell me he doesn't have final say on all major decisions like that. You're right! He does need to back off, hire a CEO to make those decisions for him. But he won't ever do that. And you suggest that the players need to focus on just playing well on the field. How do you do that at what has effectively been a 'multi-ring Circus' with him as master of ceremonies and players who keep pulling stupid stunts off an on the field, dragging our good name through the media mud? In many very sensible and responsible quarters we have become the epitome of how NOT to behave or run a football club, regardless how many of us claim we are constantly and unfairly vilified. We, in most cases, have made our own bed!
Squig
Bloody excuses! So fatigue wasn't responsible for our win against Everton,Stoke City,A.villa,Arsenal? Spare me this talk...doesn't make any sense.
nelyvanile
so he hasn't been sacked yet?
darilngblue
i have never seen a manager who give excuses more than rafa in this whole world and den ppl talk about squad depth, fatigue, injuries and suspension, 4getting that Rdm didnt even have Lamps and terry for most games, he didnt even have BA
darilngblue
@nelyvanile, well said, always giving xcuses and blaming players for mising chances or not defending well, but his tactics has been spot on always i guess
darilngblue
4 u its excuses but its the truth,only few coaches would take responsibility for others mistake,the coach can only control tactics and not player's mind..@darlinblue,rdm had terry and lampard available for most games,he had sturridge
Ken4CFC
sturridge got injured at same point.
darilngblue
Ken please,get your facts right.....If you cant control the attitude or work ethic of your staff or your subjects,you are not fit to lead. There is something called Man Management Skill. If you havnt got it,you cant lead people successfully! RDM did that to great effect with the likes of Drogba so dont start!
3nity
Why do you think Mourinho showed his players a dvd of 'the gladiator' in one of his finals???? Its the managers job to prepare the team mentally. Simeone does a lot of that at Athletico and you can see the work rate of that team.
3nity
3nity,So why didnt rdm do the magic this season,when luiz individual errors,pivot deficiencies and torres profligacy were costin us points??...u talk about jose,why is his dressin room divided?? Or did jose also control ronaldo to score an own goal at granada??..so much 4 man management
Ken4CFC
The hippocrisy and double standards of some here is laughable. Some want us to entirely absolve Rafa from blame for where we are now and instead want the players to be blamed yet these same people were the very ones who used the "buck stops with you" argument to argue that RDM was clueless and the cause of all that ailed us when he was here. I remember some of these guys attacked RDM with pitchforks and asked he be burned on a stake when we drew against Swansea at Wales early in the season(as just one example) because he did not bring on Marin in the last 10 minutes of that match and the Swans drew..and these same people now say that our conceding goals late is due to no fault of Rafas but down to the players...incredible!!! Honestly people like this whose perception of truth is based on personality preferences rather than fact just make me shake my head...Suddenly the same shortcomings (even greater based on the facts like point gained, points ahead of those in 4th -6th and points behind those in 1st and 2nd) that they were happy to say justified sacking a club icon and legend who got us two top tier trophies in the most unlikely circumstances are suddenly not to be applied when it comes to Rafa. Anyone who has read what i have had to say on this can at least see that i am consistent. I dont feel Rafa should be sacked because as incompetent as he is turning out to be i dont think we have any better alternatives out there and i have been one of the most outspoken about our shocking lack of squad depth which i feel is the greater issue but i dont selectively apply this to Rafa and then suggest that a different set of rules be applied to RDM who if anything should have been given far more leeway considering all he has done for this club as a player and a manager and given that he simply did not have the level of experience Rafa does (and which is due to no fault of his but because of his age and level of exposure). I will just close this by reminding these ingrates that the so called "technical" players we have now like Hazard and Oscar and even Cesar purchased these summer we would have never had a chance of getting but for RDM leading our team to an unlikely Champions league trophy. But for him we would have started in the Europa league from seasons start. I would also remind those with selective amnesia that this same RDM that they continue to besmirch made the right call on requesting for Moses rather than the multimillion dollar flop Hulk that our decision makers wanted and were fully ready to pay 38m for but thankfully got saved from when the player took his greed to another level by asking for even more in third party payments. I would also remind those with selective amnesia on these matters that RDM asked the board for Falcao in the early summer when Atletico were ready to sell him and Roman etc refused and insisted he make do with Torres...they would not even get him any other striking option and while i agree that he could have probably used Danny better it is also convinient for these same folks to forget that Danny spent much of this half season injured and was also being frozen out of the CF position as per club policy (not by RDM) because Roman had decreed who our preferred CF would be; Torres and because Danny had had the effontry not to sign the offer Chelsea FC had offered him. Finally to those who continue to try to rewrite history and suggest that Roman and the board were right is sacking RDM and that he is the cause of all our problems while Rafa is blameless and should not be assailed i declare it is just this sort of thinking based on personal vandettas that they have which are devoid of logic that has seen us fire coach after coach and which unless Roman finally gets a clue and halts we will continue to slide to mediocrity. Look at AVB at spurs and Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool as examples...if Roman had been the owner of either side they would both be sacked by now because of the rough spells each side has endured this season. Virtually every BPL side other than ManU this year has had their rough patches..Chelsea FC as usual are one of the very few who respond with the standard knee jerk myopic response of sacking the manager as the response presumed to be the cure all. Their owners however better understand what the word patience and common sense has to do with football management at this level and their respective sides have now turned the corners and are moving in the right direction while we are moving backwards. Fittingly the seeds our board and owner have sown we are now reaping a rich harvest of.
GabeU
HAHAAAAAA.... GabeU..... that is an epistle... should win an award for longest comment...
Latunvic
@gabeu... Thank you very much for that, I am sick of the double standards too and the counselling lots on this forum who I really ignore this days, they say RDM clueless yet the same sets are saying rafa is not to be blamed because he didn't start preseason with us and the issue of squad depth, there is a point in those assertions but really is rafa that clean that he doesn't have majority of the blame when we are dropping points?
Desmondadonis
The only hipocrites here are those that crave for stability and want the sacking of yet another cfc manager
Ken4CFC
...RDM that they continue to besmirch made the right call on requesting for Moses rather than the multimillion dollar flop Hulk....statistical proof GABEU??
@Mq
...for RDM leading our team to an unlikely Champions league trophy. But for him we would have started in the Europa league from seasons start....for you to effectively say RDM won us the Champs League explains your level of intelligence
@Mq
...i declare it is just this sort of thinking based on personal vandettas that they have which are devoid of logic that has seen us fire coach after coach and which unless Roman finally gets a clue and halts we will continue to slide to mediocrity. Look at AVB at spurs...my goodness, were you not among those relieved when AVB was sacked by Roman?? Weren't you among those saying he wasnt good enough for us, and widely criticizing me when I was against that sacking in the first place??....LoL talk about being double standards
@Mq
Well said KEN4CFC some ppl like GABEU are like pharisees, they warp about the speck of dust whilst overlooking the logs in their own eyes
@Mq
...Maybe Rafa's not been good enough lads but if we have been leading all the games we've lost under Rafa (apart from the QPR game) only to concede in the 80th+ minute is that still entirely Rafa's fault?? Yes he's had faults but its time we also looked at the players...this was my original comment pertaining to Rafa, nowhere was he absolved of the blame but it was a call not to place it entirely on him either
@Mq
I agree with Gabeu on the double standards shown by people. if u think tubby is better tactician than RDM them i think u need to remove the tinted glass and see the picture. we had many instances where we can close the game by simply changing one player at 65-70 mins but he waits till 80 min to make a change. IN newcastle game i think IVA was **** and he could have bought azpi and benayoun for bertrand who is again showing he poor in that LW role. A tactician is one who takes risk. tubby is adamant in his shape that he will make sub the players so that the shape remains the same. which is not a good thing if u r a good manager. In 10 year of Roman ownership he made 3 mistakes in life and 1. bought sheva 2. bought torres 3. hired tubby.(i hope this his last one)
arun.superstar18
MQ i knew ur hatred torwards RDM but the way u r supporting RB is ridiculous. which shows u r posting ur comment only to defend ur opinion that RB is a better manager than RDM which is not in reality. when swansea scored a goal 88 min u were saying RDM clueless. same happened when ManU scored an offside goal, Same was said when liverpool scored. but when RB is the manager then blame should be on players. stop this nonsense. the recent result clearly shows that RB is worse than RDM in reading the game. he could have clearly bought a defender in matches like reading & soton but he didnt do it defend out lead. agaisnt swansea he bought a def when we are chasing a game. that shows how tactical astute is this man.
arun.superstar18
Newcastle scored in the 80th+ minutes ARUN when changes had been made. Is it Rafa's fault Lamps couldn't close down Newcastle's mids in the build up the goal?? Is it Rafa's fault the defenders couldn't mark effectively thus leaving Sissoko alone to score his 2nd??
@Mq
I "lost" my support for Rafa ARUN. He has disappointed me greatly, but I'm just saying our criticism shouldn't be blinded by our hatred
@Mq
Well, I think the double standard thing is common to almost everyone on this site, only time and circumstances differ... Like some here have pointed out, I know some people here who were quite vocal with the sack Ancelloti and sack AVB campaigns.... And I think Ken4CFC has made a very sensible point, you can`t be asking for stability, berating RA and the board for lack of stability and at the same time be campaigning for the sack of another coach... you have to drop one of the two arguments for now... you cant do both at the same time...
Latunvic
@MQ newcastle scored their winner in 90 th min david santon & Gouforn(sorry if name is wrong) was killing Iva and bertrand was mere passenger. newcastle scored their scored their 2nd goal in 70 mins . how many subs did rafa made. 1 sub which was torres gor BA only because of injury. which other sub he made. It is rafa fault that he didnt change the shape. it was clear that chelsa midfield was **** then why he didnt put one more to help our midfielders. RB is adamant in his tactics. whatever happen he will not change his shape. he will to stick to his 4-2-3-1 formation which gives u bitter experience like this and even after these kind of results for past 2 weeks he didnt learned or didnt rectify his flaws shows what a crap manager he is.
arun.superstar18
well said LATUN I'm no saint (probably the worst "sinner" according to some) but what I've seen with other is astounding. I don't hide no waiver from my viewpoint (unless I admit I'm wrong) but pretty much the same ppl that call us names and "double standard" bearers are the chief culprits
@Mq
@latunvic its obvious that we all want stability in our manager post. but there is flaws in a manager method its obvious we can criticize. but saying that "RB came during middle of the season and games came thick and fast because of which he should not be blamed" . but the way RB is handling his tactics what irks me. he has one thing to say after every match that we are improving. how much improvement we are making. fixture are running fast and we are dropping points. its time to be bold and bring best out of players. yes board can be blamed, players can also be blamed but as a manager its RB fault too that he is not willing to try and rectify the flaws.
arun.superstar18
While you make valuable points ARUN the "problem" we have is the number of games compared to the players available. Rafa always maintains the squad depth is weak, something we agree with (although some still blame him should we not win) so for us to play our players without rest is a huge risk, much like subbing say Bertrand for Ake. Yes he is stubborn, yes he has faults too, but the "experience" we have surely should be able to see the games out, isn't that something we've been crying about, retaining experience?? Clearly that isn't doing us any good, is it??
@Mq
@mq if u admit u r wrong then why dont u admit hulk was flop and moses was better for chelsea. look at the stats and look at the recent matches and it is as clear as day and night that moses is better player currently than hulk.
arun.superstar18
@MQ the same experience is applicable to the manager too. i dont have any problem if he was outclassed by a manager in one game but tubby was outclassed by managers in succession. if he hasnt learned from this expreience then what should we do. look at him and say "No probs RB we will improve in next match". then why board didnt gave same time to RDM. if RDM is sacked becuase our result was poor then RB should get the same treatment. no bias should be there.
arun.superstar18
@ Ken--Your reply to me shows what sort of mentality you have got when it comes to football management. You attribute man management to Ronaldo scoring an own goal or Luiz making personal mistakes?I rest my case. Knowledge is power. @MQ-- Why did Rafa take the job when he knew that the squad lacks depth and it was going to be a struggle?? The January window was some months away, we heard he was the only one willing to take the job on an interim basis which meant the board must have been backed into a corner,A sensible man who wants to excel could have used that as a bargaining chip and requested for 2 or 3players in January. Its quite simple really,isnt it? But no,Rafa jumped in and thats why he is such a failure cos when you fail to plan,you plan to fail!!!!
3nity
@MQ- If Rafa was here at the start of the season,he'd be gone by now. Rafa is still benefiting from RDM's work.FACT! The fact that we climbed the table so early and had a gap at the beginning is the only reason we are still in 3rd. And you said RDM did not win us the Champs League.......... WHo did???
3nity
3nity,u warp about man management but i used those examples to remind u that even those u see as the best are not perfect,they lose their heads at times..u also tackled me when wrote about what the manager can control on the pitch which was why i cited the examples of luiz suicidal errors and ronaldo's own goal,did rdm and jose control them to do so?..
Ken4CFC
U guys really have to drop your personal vandettas and look at things objectively,no one is sayin rafa is blameless but the players,board and (even fans) have their fair share of the blame...
Ken4CFC
@Mq...see you have been found out...We're leading 2-0 up against Juve and late goals undo our work...you say RdM is an imbecile...same scenario with Rafa...against Reading...and you're quick to absolve him...I have said before but lest you have forgotten let me say it again...I know you, you're no cfc fan my man...
Gian-Franco/Luca
I am really enjoying this debate, it is clear as daylight which side is making sense :-) ..... The funniest thing with rafa is that he is a man that doesn't know what to do right now, he keeps doing the same thing over and over again with no results, and THEY CLAIM he has tactical nous" at a time, some football wizards compared him with mou tactically, ARE YOU FOR REAL??? One ghost goal, another a penalty shoot out, and the icing on the cake, their medal hauls and clubs. Mourinho and rafa who would any top club choose? It is clear like gossy water. Rafa and rdm?..... We all know who we will cast our individual lots with.
Desmondadonis
Ken,...How do you compare Ronaldo's own goal and Luiz Mistakes to us Losing 0-1 to QPR,Losing against Corinthians and dropping all the points we have dropped recently? Your argument is off the point is what im saying. You cant attribute human errors to tactical errors. If Rafa did something about it,say he switched to 5-3-2 just to secure a win and then Ivanovic or Cech does something crazy and we end up losing,it will be said that,Rafa did atleast tried to secure that win. In our case,Rafa has done nothing. Hes always made like for like changes....and he was supposed to be the tactical genius! You can not control human error but you cant seriously be thinking our form and season has been down to the players errors?
3nity
Rafa did atleast try**** If a manager is rubbish from the word go,you cant always argue in his support as you will run out of points to use. Prior to that newcastle loss,you maintained a stance which suggested Rafa was and is still a right man for us....This isnt a personal vendetta before you switch the argument to that.....this is happening right before our very own eyes mate. Now Rafa might not be sacked,but even you cant deny the fact that we are in a downward spiral.
3nity
@Ken4CFC...my man... it is the fans who are the victims of the dumbass antics of those more powerful within the organisation that they love...The fans make no money from cfc..they make money so that they can give it to cfc...they travel to the hellishly cold segments of the the country for the sake of the team at great cost to themselves...the fans passion powered us out of obscurity in the dark ages where we were not in the top tier...Rafa insulted these fans...Roman insulted these fans by appointing he who insulted them...Rafa brought a club down...Inter...destroyed a dynasty (liverpool [am thankful to him for that])...yet he was hired at the expense of one who gave his career to cfc as a player and delivered to us our greatest glory...he is now enjoying a level of respect from some cfc fans on VC which was never afforded RdM...I always wonder what it is that RdM did to these ppl...and what Rafa has done for these people...There was a personal vendetta against RdM and by extension the fans...therefore they have every right to voice their opinions...
Gian-Franco/Luca
Well said GabeU totally on point mate! Its the more reason I've avoided the front page for God knows how long. The replies to GabeU's comments are even more pathetic. @Latunvic. Double standard in Stability? Well you know what we should do,let's stick to Rafa,hand him a 15 year contract and call it stability. You don't run stability just for the sake of being stable. The wrong man is on the managerial sit,he is not liked by 90% of fans (except maybe yourself and Ken),players body language doesn't ooze confidence for him,the board/owner doesn't look to support/rate him(based on the transfer dealings), results haven't helped calm animosity,and you say Stability? Yeah right! In my 40+ years as a fan I've never clamored for a manager to be sacked,come on i cheered for Ron Stuart as a kid even as we plummeted into relegation in 74/75 who probably had the shortest tenure. Lol. Bottom line is,this engagement between Chelsea and Rafa is destined for breakup,there's obviously no point hoping and wishing we will get married someday just for stability sake. Your fiancee family members don't like you,so what's the point of pushing it. I warned against this when Rafa was appointed,and i'm sticking to it...This is bound for disaster if we don't take caution.
nelyvanile
The fact that you anyone compares RDM to rafa is an insult to Chelsea Football Club. And incase you dont know,the Fanbase is the soul and life of the club! People saying you are wrong to express your emotions in whatever way possible are living in dreamland. Arsenal fans marched against Wenger some years back,they went to the stadium! I spend not only my money on chelsea but also my passion and everything that flows within me. I dont care how rich Roman is,if he wanted us to just shut up and not complain,he should make the tickets free and then we will know he owns everything chelsea but until then....Roman,Buck,Gourlay and Emenalo are answerable to the fans cos they take money off us!!!!!
3nity
what stats are you on about ARUN?? Provide the stats that prove Hulk to be a "flop" because everyone who's been saying the same hasn't proven so...as for Rafa, I'm not saying he is blameless (again I reiterate) but I'm saying he doesn't deserve all the blame with the players actions being condoned or overlooked. We have enough talent and experience to even supersede an armature Manager's instructions (in certain games) yet the same experience can't close a game down when leading 2nil. Do you really still place the blame entirely on Rafa?? If so then I won't waste my time arguing with you
@Mq
....@Mq...see you have been found out...We're leading 2-0 up against Juve and late goals undo our work...you say RdM is an imbecile....point of correction GIAN I called RDM an imbecile when we lost 3-0 lad. Again, get your facts right
@Mq
@Mq you placed the blame on Robbie? Did u or did u not?
nelyvanile
Lads, GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. I called RDM an imbecile the night before he was sacked (when we lost 3nil) NELY not in the 2-2 draw. Yes I blamed him for not having us see the game through with his hesitancy to make suitable changes (when we had fewer games than now) but I never called him an imbecile then. Last season, yes, after the Juve game, yes, but NEVER during the Champs League run until we failed to qualify.
@Mq
@MQ- The difference is Rafa isnt an armature. He is very experienced in turning teams to *****!!! Rafa is very strong when it comes to getting his messages across and getting the team to play the way he wants. He isnt the type of manager thats gonna expect guys to get creative,he is extremely rigid as evidenced. SO IF RAFA WANTS A TEAM TO PLAY RUBBISH,THEY END UP PLAYING RUBBISH WHICH IS WHATS GOING ON HERE!!! Against Newcastle,at some point,Oscar went to the left and Bertrand came deep forcing Rami a bit to the right,Rafa jumped up and shouted him back to the left.....he wants the team that way and he gets it or else that player comes off!!!!
3nity
Well since u blamed him solely for not seeing games off,and didn't remember blaming the players for not being experienced enough to see games off,why take the slack off Rafa? There's nothing wrong in admitting you were wrong. I also remember you blaming Robbie in our 1-1 game against Swansea. Now its the players fault for not being able to see the games off.
nelyvanile
...He isnt the type of manager thats gonna expect guys to get creative,he is extremely rigid as evidenced. SO IF RAFA WANTS A TEAM TO PLAY RUBBISH,THEY END UP PLAYING RUBBISH WHICH IS WHATS GOING ON HERE!!!....so we playing rubbish now 3NITY?? Results aside (can't believe I've said this LoL) have you seen how we move the ball about and carve out chances?? We may not be winning lad but boring is certainly out of the equation (discounting Rafa's first 3 games) because we just can't see the lead out. It's not about us playing rubbish rigid stuff, because we not, it's about not taking the chances we creating (how many times did we miss vs Newcastle: Lamps missed a good chance, so too Oscar) we are not playing rigid rubbish football lad, there I differ 100% with you. Yes we not winning, but it's defensive frailties more than offensive (in conceding in the last 10 minutes) and sometimes just offensive frailties (when we don't take our chances) meaning Rafa's instructions are not bad, we just can't score more or defend more. Have you seen the many late goals we've conceded?? How many of them (lately) can you blame the Manager for wrong set-up?? It's time the players also became accountable lad, Rafa's at fault (in late changes mainly) but the players too in failing to mark effectively and close out the opponent
@Mq
You get caught up in semantics @Mq...I do not, I still see you...and I know what you are, and what you are is everthing but a CFC fan, LAD
Gian-Franco/Luca
Oh God NELY there are games when Rafa's messed up in making changes too late, likewise there are games when the players are individually liable for not closing down 2nil leads. It's not him solely, but the players too. As for the so-called Swansea game, I'd have to see it first to see why I'd blame RDM alone and not the players. Did he get his tactics right, did he make the changes right?? That sort of assessment. And it's funny you pick 1 game only, yet you blame Rafa for basically every game we haven't won since he was appointed. Does that look "fair" to you??
@Mq
3nity,if u have been followin ma post in recent time u would realise i fault rafa for some subs and persistence with the 4-2-3-1 when its workin more especially when we are chasin games,are u seriously gonna blame rafa for that lose to qpr?? We ask for mata and hazard to be rested and he did that,those on the pitch did nothing to justify their selection,torres was wasteful as ever,oscar was below par,marin offered nothing..i can go on to pick out faults from players,so blaming the manager alone is pointless...my friend,human errors can lead to tactical errors e.g if lamp remains disciple to his role without makin those burstin runs and leavin a huge gab in the middle hence unbalancin the team shape/strategy/tactics(not a lamps bashin b4 the wits pounce on me)...so what do u say about ivanovic giftin swansea 2goals?the coach should be blame from that and iva immuned from it right?..the point is as much as we blame rafa the players have equally contributed to our downfall..as 4 the like for like or late changes look no further than the bench to discover sometimes one or no game changers
Ken4CFC
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1295757/rafa-benitez-tops-poll-to-succeed-jose-mourinho-at-real-madrid
@Mq
Clearly some people^^^know more about him than other "experts"
@Mq
Well said KEN well said once more *claps*
@Mq
3nity,am not runin out of any point,we made ridiculous decisions of lettin players go without adequate replacement,early signs were shown in pre-season and we overlooked it,started the season well with a thin squad,had no plan b when our formula was figured out,had players overworked,the early form drained and we fired the manager and brought another who is facin a much more difficult task,fans hostily,poor refereein,the squad was stretched,poor transfer activities,also leavin him with no plan b,e.t.c and we expect him to do magic,only a magician will do a great job under the circumstances..as we lay our bed,so shall we lie on it..we already in a downward spiral b4 he came on board
Ken4CFC
@gian,when i say the fans,u should know its not everybody...yes the fans make lots of sacrifices but some fans just do as much to distract the team and cause disharmony,so tell me how do all the boys that was melted out to rafa help the team??do u think the player dont have ears?they have flesh and blood like u and i,and all the negativity melted out at rafa and torres affects the team too..do u remember pat nevin"sound affects"?? If u havent read pls do,u would know why i included the fans too...as for whatever rafa said at lfc,he said that as their manager and he does everything to protect their interest,now he is ours,he would equally do the same for us..
Ken4CFC
Well @nely... I am not saying we should stick with Rafa.. this may be the 1st time you are clamoring for the sack of a coach but for some here it is the only thing they can come up with when things go bad... Its very easy to have a strong reason to call for Rafas sack, and very easy to be vocal about it.. and revel doing it, but I can assure you some people here would have been doing same with RDM if he were the one having this bad patch... I understand your point and stands and I understand GabeU point as well. Of course Rafa is not blameless, I have my reservations on him, he is certainly not one I ever hoped for to coach chelsea.. but it is what it is and I understand that under the given situation and circumstances Rafa has to be sacked.. I just have to address the fickle nature of some here which I believe are green snakes hiding under the green grass.... Just wait till our next coach start having a little bad spell and you will see this happening again....
Latunvic
@Ken and MQ--- If you go back to the match thread in our last game,i said ''these players should look in the mirror''. At the same time,we cant blame then cos if the manager had made some necessary changes,we could have seen that game out or put more pressure on Newcastle so they dont think about a comeback. Different coaches have different ways of adjusting to situations like this. Pep would probably bring in an attacking threat to make newcastle more defensive and try closing the game out that way. Jose probably would shore up his defence with Ake coming into the midfield or defence and look to catch newcastle on the counter. Rafa did none of the above,he did nothing! So i am not saying the players are saints but hey,the players dont get the heat,the manager gets the heat and Rafa knows that more than anyone which brings the question,how and why did he take the job in the first place if he knew we were lacking in depth and it was that bad? I hope you get my logic? You dont drink from a poisoned chalice without the right antidote,right? Except he was too greedy perhaps? @MQ,Tactical Nous should suggest that a manager knows what the problem is and deal with that problem in real time during a match,not at the post match press conference. The first form of attack is defence and vice versa. If we were wasting chances,why have we never started with 2 upfront? United has a crap defence and the reason they have closed out matches this season is cos they have outscored opponents. And if we rush to a 2goal lead and you arent so sure of your subs,why not shore up the defence like Stoke would? Why not play 5 at the back just to secure that win? At the end of the day,thats the difference in 3points and 1 point or 1 point and a loss. Ken,here is an example of how a coach controls an human error that is affecting his tactical play----Mourinho brings in Boularouz as a sub for Paulo,Robbie Keane dribbles him 5 times in 2minutes and scores.....Mourinho substitutes Boularouz 5minutes later and decides to play 3 at the back,we were 2 goals down...we drew that game 3 all. Lesson of the day,no guts,no glory. Rafa hasnt got the balls to do things like that.
3nity
And please stop saying we were in a downward spiral before Rafa took the job. We were 4points behind United before Rafa took the job!! How many points behind are we now???? Cmon,not everyone has selective amnesia!
3nity
Rafa gets all the blame for player's profligacy and defensive frailties..u can blame his tactics but the players can also not be absolved of blames for their performances..
Ken4CFC
@MQ and Ken----Why did Rafa take the job when he knew he had no support from the board regarding transfers??? Knowing Rafa,if he was promised players,we would have heard about it in the news cos Rafa never keeps the lid on things like that! So he must have given them some sort of assurance that everything is fine and that he could work well with what RDM supposedly failed with.
3nity
Ken,the players are down.....bad results do that to you. Believe it or not but Its the job of the coach to lift them up. But Rafa's problems run deeper than that and you only have to remove your blue tinted shades to see it. Some of the players dont like him,The mans personality isnt likeable either. Now all that naturally changes once the team starts winning and the players gradually begin to buy into the managers ideas but this manager hasnt been able to achieve that cos his ideas and tactics are also rubbish. We are stuck in the middle of a rock and a hard place.
3nity
@3nity, don't waste ur time on this cold hearted so called fans, they attacked rdm with pitch forks and were prepared to burn him up while he was with us, most here were giving them the same stuff that its just a patch and we'll sail thru, but they were orgasmic in their vituperations, now they turn themselves to counsellors when it is obvious as gossy water that rafa would not make us achieve top 4 as it is now
Desmondadonis
Desmond,...the reasoning of some people just makes you wonder.....
3nity
No hard feelings Latunvic. Ill take note...Ken must really like excuses. Lol. Anyways no point dragging this guys,the obvious is there to be seen for those that open their eyes to see. Nuff said.
nelyvanile
And now the stupid snow has blocked me in!!!! WTF!
3nity
the same people who want Rafa sacked calling for stability just for RDM's sake, negating that RDM effectively oversaw us being embarrassed as his luck ran out and he was proven to be useless. These are same ppl called for AVB to be sacked and they rejoiced his sacking....who are these people?? The "experts" on VC who have proven time and time again how short-sighted and myopic their reasoning is. They change tune just appease their their selfish gains, which are never in the interests of the club. Clearly RDM wasn't good enough, but not him then no1 else is....*smh* this doesn't make sense does it?? LoL
@Mq
3nity,if u also go through my posts i have also faulted rafa's persistence with 4231 when he could have been flexible and adjusted the formation when necessary,but seriously,do u really think any cfc coach would play ake when we are tryin to close a lead??that would only happen if we change our ways.no manager under the current structure would risk his job for that..u can say,rafa did nothing,well we offered him no chance to do nothing..with the options on the bench(except maybe azpi) i dont see anything he could have done with them..that bench lack quality(even spuds and le arse have better options)..even with the 4231 and the personel on the pitch,we create very good chances and fluff them,only for the defence to let the team down when called upon ofcos this happens because the players know the manager gets the heat,he gets the blame all the time even when its glarin we lost/draw due to individual errors..u and i dont know the details of his appointment(if u do,i wil like to know),so the question 'why did he take the job in the first place if he knew we were lackin in depth and it was that bad?' is baseless
Ken4CFC
If rdm wasn't good enough, then rafa is what? Lol!!!...how many people ask for avb to be sacked here? All VC knows who was screaming orgasmically that rdm is clueless, same person is absolving rafa.......sighs*
Desmondadonis
Who keeps picking the dude who fluffs the chances? I'll rather be a risk taker and play ake in one of my games than keep repeating the same stuff over and over to no avail, investment is all about how much u can stick ur neck out for the risk of ur securities, if u are a good investor then u will have good returns depending on how intelligently u do it, in this case rafa is an ecperienced investor
Desmondadonis
Experienced* yet he makes bad investment analysis
Desmondadonis
3nity,i can equally pick out a handful of .ames where human errors has cost mourinho points,no one is perfect,there is no perfect coach any where..yes we were in a downward spiral before rafa came.we were 4points clear b4 the manure game and it all went sour after then and when rdm left we were 4points behind,we won only 2 games in his last 8games in all competition..from 4points clear to 4points behind if thats not a downward spiral then i wonder what it is
Ken4CFC
The players are down because of bad results caused by who??..u and i know that rafa is no motivator,and i dont think there is any available at the moment...our problem run deeper than rafa and u only have to take off your personal hatred blinkers to see it..which of the players dont like him??or how do u know the players dont like him??....results hasnt been achieved due to certain reasons already discussed here,its not just cos of his ideals and tactics,did we help him address any of the issue in january when he was screamin 'depth'??even a daftman know that our squad is thin without bein told but the board(applauded by some fans) did little or nothing to help out..yea,at this junction we are stucked in the middle of a rock and a hard place
Ken4CFC
Lol@nely,not really,am just tolerant
Ken4CFC
He picks the guys,does he have a better choice?? Did he instruct them to fluff those chances??
Ken4CFC
U would rather be a risk taker and play ake because u are not the cfc coach,cos if u are u wont..the pressure of these job leaves no room for any coach to experiment or trust in the youngsters,they would rather not use their sub than to bring them on not to talk of when we are chasin games or protectin a one goal lead..dream on but your dream can only be achieved if we change our current structure.
Ken4CFC
Ken----your not making much sense but im tired of this argument. If you have the balls,you will take risks. It doesnt matter how big or little the pressure is. You make a decision and you live or die by that decision. Thats guts. Not every manager has it obviously. I can not believe you are comparing RDM's 4 points behind to Rafa's 16points deficit. We arent kids mate,most of us live in the corporate world. You dont take such a big job without having a paper work in place stating your job description and what the company or your bosses are also willing to do to help make your job as easy as possible.....even more in the event of a short term contract. So you cant seriously be telling me that Rafa wasnt asked at the interview if he believes the team could achieve the minimum for the season to which i am sure he answered yes. The only reason he got the job!!!! SO stop blaming the board for not buying players for him..This team as it is, is good enough to maintain a 3rd place position in this league.
3nity
3nity,U are not makin much sense either,am also tired of this argument...if u feel u need a risk taker,then u have to wait fort the next manager or wait for rafa to grow balls(which u obviously wont)..we were 4points above united then within the space of a few days we were 4points behind and slope has continued now we are 16points behind,if u dont see that as a downward spiral that started right under rdm then what is it??.there was nothing to suggest results would improve,instead it was getin bad game after game,the board took the decision to replace him with the aim to improve results but unfortunately that aim has still not been achieved....i reiterate,if u have the details of rafa's contract lets see it.u cant just speculate and base your argument on assumption....come to think of it,if he admitted the team is good enough then why was he screamin poor squad depth in january?? So its wise for the board to ignore his calls when its obvious to the whole world the squad is thin??..well i believe if u want a (work)man to do a good job for u,u dont hope he improvise,u should provide him with all the necessary tools u can afford to make his job a success..like i said b4,we have made our bed,so shal we lie on it
Ken4CFC
Benitez nd a blunt kife? the man sn't fit to use his blunt knife to Butter Robbies Toast, hes ruinig our Club and peopl are defending him, Robbie had a dodg result at WBA, a bloody difficult CL Group with no choice of stiker and a Clattenburg cock up, this mug has been out managed by everyone and his Dog.
chipthechap
U lost me when u said u have to wait for rafa to grow some balls or the next manager..LOL. Are u for real?..... Rafa was brought in as an upgrade to rdm, but unfortunately he happens to be more inept and a terrible coach for cfc, defending is bordering on lunacy because in his press conference, he stated that the team is good enough and can challenge for trophies, only needs to get some things right, but right now, we are not challenging for trophies!!!! We are challenging for a godamn finish in the top 3.. In what way have rafa fufilled his job description, even asking a fan to produce rafa's contract document is myopic, and a backward thinking, common what do u expect to be there? Really? What are is target? To make us fall out of the champions league zone?
Desmondadonis
Am not interested in carryin u along..u have eyes,read and assimilate or u can chose to ignore...i wrote that to spite u lots,but on a more serious note if u say rafa has no balls how do u explain benchin oscar 4 moses??movin luiz to the pivot??rami on the rw??bert on the lw??,the man has taken some risks,some worked,others failed..like i said b4 my problem with him is his persistence with 4231 even when its not workin or when it obviously need some adjustments....unfortunately results have not improvd under rafa,have u considered the cirumstances??u campaign 4 him to be fired when we ve not put our house in order.so what happens when the blip continues under the new coach??we sack him too right??..he equally came out in his press conference to state how thin the squad and the need for transfer activities..blame a coach when we are the architect of our predicament is more myopic,u dont know the details of his contract yet u assume he already knew about the conditions(both natural and circumstancial) b4 he took the job,isnt there supose to be a requirement for emergencies?? Oh yea,he knew romeu,luiz,cech would be injured right? He knew hazard would be suspended right?he knew piazon would be loaned out right?? I thought we employed a coach i never knew he was psychic
Ken4CFC
if Rafa had started the season as our manager, he'd have been sacked way before xmas with this form...he's lucky he's only here on an interim basis....sacking the interim manager will not only finish off Rafa's top level managerial career, it will make our board look very very clueless...we are already down in the dumps so the only way is up i guess...
JohnnyOz
@ken4CFC as i said in my earlier posts i lost faith in him simply because he is adamant in his formation that he always try to keep the shape same. which is good only if u have the players. we all know that we are short of players but the way he is dictating his tactics its turning from bad to worse. he could held a draw against newcastle if he wanted but he didnt change anything. he was sitting writing in his notebook. he was outclassed by most managers we have faced that too a league 1 manager. Come on if RDM was criticised for not tactically good then Rafa should also get the same treatment.
arun.superstar18
@mq this is the stats of hulk who costed 40m pound read his stats and make a conclusion http://www.whoscored.com/Players/16886 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/124068/givanildo-vieira-de-souza?cc=4716 and this is victor moses stats http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/112547/victor-moses?cc=4716
arun.superstar18
Lmao. Ken,The man said at his 1st press conference,''The team is good enough to challenge for the championship'' We only need a few tweaks here and there and we can all work together to achieve that.I believe this team can achieve success this season. I know Fernando and he knows me and i believe we can get him firing again. I know the fans don really like me but i will win them over by winning matches''. Did he say anything about a thin squad at that presser Ken? Did he say something like....''the team lacks a bit of depth and we might need to add a few players and once thats done,we will be fine''??? I cant believe this guy!!!! We arent talking about our house right now mate,Inter's house was in perfect order and he still ruined the team! Blame it all on Mou and the injuries but you sound just like Rafa,there is always something else to complain about.The only reason Rafa has this job at all is cos our house wasnt in order,The only reason he is still in this job is cos our house still isnt in order,and the good part is,our house wont be in order when he leaves as well. Get over it mate,our house hasnt been in order since Jose left and in that time,some managers have come in and done well. OUR HOUSE WILL NEVER BE IN ORDER AS LONG AS ROMAN REMAINS OUR BENEFACTOR,THE EARLIER YOU GET YOUR HEAD AROUND THAT FACT THE BETTER. ROMAN HAS SPENT BILLIONS,HE DOESNT LOOK LIKE THE TYPE TO CEDE CONTROL TO SOME SUIT ANY TIME SOON. A requirement for emergencies??? What emergency mate? State the emergency! Sturridge left and we bought Ba! Piazon wasnt getting any game time even before Rafa came and if Rafa wanted him to stay,why did Rafa not block his loan move? You make it sound like you expect the club to jump into the transfer market once a player gets injured. If thats the case,what then is the job of a manager? We might as well have the chairman manager the team since you only have to replace injured players with new ones and decide on formations and line ups!!!!! Ken,if you have a top job that has to do with man management and general human productivity,If you are faced with an emergency and your employers are turning a blind eye,do you just sit down and fold up? Do you call a press conference and slate them? Or do you get creative,improvise,rally your team and find a way to use your available resources to tackle that problem and make them see how hard you are trying? Your answer to that question will tell everyone what kind of person you are!!!!!!
3nity
@johnny,u are probably right.and i strongly believe thats why he hasnt been sacked yet...@arun,i share your frustration mate.i get very angry when he sticks to it when its obviously not workin but we have to blame the players too for not playin their part,we dominate games,create chances,squander them all,the defence goes shambolic at 1st knock on door..the truth is we can blame rafa for tactics and not player antics,he does not read or control their minds..are we gona blame him for iva giftin swansea 2goals? Are we gona blame for the inability of the players to defend a 2 goal lead in the last 10mins? Are we blamin him 4 lamps failure 2 close down sissoko 4 the castle winner??are we blamin him 4 the players profligacy??
Ken4CFC
3nity,thats his 1st press conference and he said what had to say to gain the confidence of the board and players and patience of the fans(as he isnt apologisin to anyone)..do u really expect him to discuss the squad condition in his 1st press conference when he hardly knew the players and have been with the squad for less than 4days??..u guys really amaze me,if he had done that u would stil attack him for discussin it his 1st presser when he hasnt even kicked a ball,..when he took over the squad was in a good condition but the thick fixtures that has been comin pretty fast after then has weighed the squad down,the team is stretched,players were suspended,injured or tired(we ve played far more games than any team i knw) and we had the chance to call back 1 or 2 loanees instead the board decided to add to loan piazon(rafa has no input in transfers)..u want him to be sacked,what happens if the blip continues under the next man? We sack him too?? Cos obviously we are putin our house in order anytime soon..yes emergencies!!who replaced romeu?is 1(will i say 2) wingers good enough??same with our cf position?if ba gets injured what happens?our pivot is sufferin e.t.c..there are so many areas that could be addressed but we choose to sign only ba thinkin he is the solution to all our problems..dream on,wakeup and blame the nightmares on rafa
Ken4CFC
*obviously we are not putin our house in order anytime soon*
Ken4CFC
So in summary, according to your explanation above,RAFA LIED TO US IN HIS FIRST PRESS CONFERENCE!!!! By saying ''what he had to say'',He used deceptive means to try and gain the confidence of the board and players and also the patience of the fans. If we were in a court,this is when i would stare at the jury for a few seconds and scream......THE ACT OF DECEPTION IS TO DECEIVE,TO DECEIVE IS TO LIE. No further questions your honour! Case Won!!! Let it go Ken!
3nity
@ken4cfc thats why teams make substitutions.in swansea match it was clear that torres was waste in 1st half itself then why RB took 80 mins to change him for ba who in 10mins scored a goal(which was rule offside), in reading match once reading got the first goal it was clear they are looking for equalizer in that case he could bought JT but he didnt. in newcastle match it was clear from 70th min that we need to keep possession of the ball we need more bodies in midfield we all can see the problem but for RB, because of his rigid tactics it will not happen. we can blame players but when u have some options in the bench we can use that instead saying "we are improving, we can see the light" will not gonna work. if u want to win u have to take risk. this man will never take risk. that dosent mean i wont appreciate if takes risk. i will say gr8 if he win the match, but right now his tactics are costing more than players.
arun.superstar18
 

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