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Be Careful What You Wish For!

Yesterday, scanning through the numerous comments left beneath our articles, I found the inspiration for this article.

There seems to be a growing band of Vital Chelsea members who are under the illusion that we`d be better off, as a football club, if Roman Abramovich were to sell up and we were to operate under new owners.

To me, it`s a classic case of biting off the hand that feed you and I have ot admit to feeling shocked, stunned and disillusioned that some of you can think like that. My opinion is that without Roman we`d be nothing, we`d still be hanging onto the belief that one day, just one day, we might challenge for honours.

Then another post caught my attention, a post left by the highly valued Vital Chelsea member Spanish Blue.

In his post Spanish Blue recalled the immense disappointment he felt, after the 1994 FA Cup Final, a final in which we were trounced 4-0, in the pouring rain, by Manchester United. Spanish Blue goes on to mention how, at the time, he couldn`t perceive us reaching another FA Cup Final, thoughts many other Chelsea supporters shared a the time.

You see back then, we were delighted just to reach such illustrious finals as The Full Members Cup Final, the Zenith Data Systems Final and the Cross Channel Cup Final, the latter being an event that saw us take on Le Havre in a game we were barred from attending.

Back then we never had grandiose dreams whereby every season was filled with silverware, we dreamed of a top six finish or never to dabble in relegation as had been our fate back in 1998!

Last night, up at the Ricoh Arena, Coventry City entertained Crewe in the Johnstone`s Paint Trophy Northern Area semi-final first leg. For me, Coventry were always a top-flight side, I can recall several trips to Highfield Road to see Chelsea play.

But fortune hasn`t favoured the Sky Blues in recent years. Top flight football has long gone, financial problems mean they can`t pay the rent at the Ricoh and there was talk of them moving down the road, some 40 miles, to play at Rushden. Last night was supposed to be an occasion the phoenix rose from the ashes, the chance to play in a Wembley final, much like when we hoped for an appearance, at Wembley, in the Zenith Data Systems Final or the Full Members Cup Final.

Sadly, in front of their biggest ever crowd at the Ricoh Arena, a whopping 31,504, Coventry City slipped to a 3-0 first leg defeat, the dream almost shattered - shades of Chelsea anyone?

But, and this is the focal point of the article, for Coventry you could insert many a giant of the game that has slipped from grace and there but for the grace of Roman a similar fate could have befell us.

Therefore, to all those who champion a change of ownership, I`d be very careful what you wish for!




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The Journalist

Writer: Merlin Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday February 6 2013

Time: 12:57PM

Your Comments

I cant believe certain folks here actually entertain this kind of tots....simply amazing...Roman might not be perfect but somthing no one can argue is the fact his actions implies he wants the very best for this football club...i honestly cannot think of another owner with similar level of committment....of course I hope he has also learnt some important lessons given recent events...but to think we are better off without him is being simply an ingrate....he deserves more than anhything else...our appreciation...thanks Romans!...and thats to the stability and long term planning that is expected to start from next season...
layorh12
Ahhh Coventry - the original sky blues!
BlueABS
Thanks for this much needed article Merlin...I've said on many occasions that real fans who know from whence we came could never wish for RA to leave, your article points to all the reasons why... The naysayers point to our brand being what it is today and its marketability, hence the reason we'd be fine if Roman left and i say to them that we'd have no brand if RA hadnt invested wisely and immensely at this club. For those myopic fans who are clamouring for his departure, i'd say i'd rather have them fans stop supporting cfc than to see Roman leave...No one is without their faults, but if you invest circa £1.5Billion of your own money into a venture such as this, you have certainly put your money where your mouth is and RA has clearly shown he is a more serious fan than most of these doubters...
JohnnyOz
We must never hope to lose Roman, we just want him to get the right men around him to run this Club & team.
BlueABS
Thanks Roman, Now Get Jose back!!!
fitzy-carefree
Nice article@merlin,some of us here needs a lot of remindin..roman is not faultless but the positives of havin him around outweighs the negatives,all we ve been in the last 10yrs is because of roman..have never seen an owner more passionate about his club than abrahamovic..thank u for everything,Roman..
Ken4CFC
I dont think anyone really wants him to leave. Specifically for the above mentioned reasons. What people want is for him to stop making daft decisions that break the flow of our development. The torres sheva type buys. The daft firings mou carlo ray rdm. The getting rid of players we still need and not replacing those that go. It would be foolish to think we would be anywhere without roman. but ciuld you imagine what we could acheive if he learnt from his mistakes and made the right decisions? I would wager a good few more trophies won and not only that but a new breed of success. Who can hate roman? Not i. But that loveable billionaire scamp sure can frustrate from time to time!
Clingy
Roman is the best thing happened at chelsea...thank you roman for bringing drogba and to let us know what a top class striker looks like....and thank you once again for bringing torres to let the whole world know how a 50 million flop striker look like...without roman no one would have know at all...
shlok27
Merlin you would probably be out of a job if we were like Coventry in the future as I would say 90% of the vital Chelsea posters on this site are only here post roman and chose Chelsea because of the money and superstar players. If we were a Coventry in the championship or even league 1 they would all jump ship faster than a jew jumping off a bus finding out hitler was driving it!
Dave-David
@ clingy i dont think we're talking about people who criticise some of Roman's decisions whilst recognising his contributions to the clubs history, because we all criticise his and the boards decisions from time to time esp when things are not going well....we're talking about people who actually request that RA leaves for various reasons like "killing our club", "destroying our reputation" and stuff like that...like some chap call @Aslaram or something....honestly beggars belief Alan Pardew said something about the cfc support recently referring to Demba Ba's move and how he must miss the NUFC support. Rafa hinted at a similar thing years ago and this is the reason we hate him so much now, even to the detriment of the club we claim to love...Perhaps its time to start looking inwards...that man in the mirror can change things more than anyone else can.!
JohnnyOz
joker shlok loool
JohnnyOz
I am 24 and has supported this club for 11 years but eventhough i would say i am post-Roman fan but i am a die-hard. I respect Roman and will support him all the way. It's foolish for anyone to think that we are anything without this guy.
BOTUM
Spot on johnny
Ken4CFC
Thanks for the article Merl, certainly makes a whole lotta sense
@Mq
Roman has made mistakes (less than we have obviously, judging by his status compared to us) and yet we have some "experts" who think he is too error-prone and they are infallible, forgetting how easy it is to judge in hindsight than foresight. I've seen numerous suggestions that have basically gotten us into this "situation" (which isn't all bad considering we 3rd on the log, still playing European Football) now the same ppl seemingly have forgotten their "advice" and are now spouting about how clueless Roman and the board are, some even going so far as to call them "amigos" etc. It's laughable really....
@Mq
I agree with clingy on this, most fans are just venting their frustrations, there are some owners who don't come to their club stadiums to watch their clubs play, but roman is just too naïve in footballing matters IMO, you paid 1 billion pounds of your money into a club and yet it is being run like something out of a comic book or a company trying to stay afloat after suffering from a stock collapse, 1billion is enough to make any moderate organisation run smoothly, if he doesn't curb his excessess he'll pour more money to the club to no avail, 88m on players and we are still in the same bracket as other clubs who spend 20-30m in the summer
Desmondadonis
I loved every word of this post. Anyone that claims to love this football club should slap himself twice and say his prayers if an idea as blasphemous as RA leaving CFC crosses his mind. Do you love any of DD, Lamps, JT, A.cole, Pete, Ballack, JM..........Hazard, Oscar, Mata? Then, you should love Roman even more.
zosBlue
Well said Merlin, it is said that so many of our 'fans' simply have no idea how lucky they/we are! Just as Cashley never dreamed of playing 100 times for England as a bay, I never dreamed that we'd win a title, dominate the FA Cuop for years or even ever compete in the CL, let alone win it. Yes, some of it started before Roman rocked up but he took us on to a different level all together and much as it hurts me to see Rafa trying his best to destroy us right now or the prospect of letting Frank go when he still has so much to offer us, quite frankly, Roman can do what the Hell he likes and I will always be grateful!
SpanishBlue
I mean roman watches his club than many owners*
Desmondadonis
Blimey, couldn't agree with you more @Mq. This really is a Brave New Vital world!
SpanishBlue
In the summer when Roman appointed RDM, bought Hazard, Marin, Moses and Oscar it was said he and the board were "geniuses" even when an astute observer could see...1) the Manager wasn't right, 2) Marin a "Messi" for 6Mil was almost always going to be a waste of money, 3) Hazard needed some1 else to "support" him in sharing the burden of expectation, Moses was probably the "right" player but at the wrong time (we needed more experience with versatility especially if we were not going to buy a striker) and Oscar, for all his abilities, wasn't as versatile given the squad depth and would definitely need another CM purchase after....."experts" called such reasoning as idiotic, waste of money etc and roundly applauded when that wasn't implemented and although you my deny all you like, had we retained RDM we'd have sacked him by now. 3nil loss to Juve to be followed by a game vs Man$hitty where I'm sure Mancini was eagerly anticipating to easily walk away with 3 points but his plans were thwarted by Roman. Yes we haven't improved since Rafa came, but with the number of games we've played since RDM was sacked 1 could argue on it being probably the same, if not better, than had we retained RDM. Furthermore, most of the games we've not won recently (the last 4 or 5 games excluding the Ar$e's game) have combined individual player error with tactical errors as well, and yet Rafa gets all the stick (ultimately Roman getting stick because he hired Rafa) it's laughable how how basically the advise some agreed to has backfired and they blame Roman, when he's trying to fix things they still blame him....Mirror Mirror anyone
@Mq
Now you see why I said the players we bought weren't good enough in that they needed more and versatility otherwise we'd have to buy more players DESMOND?? And yet you derided me early in the season...*smh
@Mq
Good article. It's basically the fans way of acting like the club. Swing the axe for the quick fix. The bottom line is no long term plan or philosophy = no stability. Managers will come and go (hopefully not at our current rate), but for me the lack of a long term philosophy and plan is what is eating away at us.
NBianco
@mq, I am enjoying a game, would love to put u in ur place as usual, but I can't indulge ur childish whims today, please
Desmondadonis
@ spanish I also tend to agree with mq on this one....brave new world indeed lool
JohnnyOz
And moses has a delightful assist...we sure are missing him....
Desmondadonis
Right players with a Right Manager would have had us qualify for the last 16 of the Champs League, not so DESMOND?? Likewise, we wouldn't have had to sack the Manager if the team was doing well, so why those actions?? We simply weren't (and aren't) doing well, meaning either the players were wrong, or the Manager was wrong. Manager went but still results aren't as good, the players too perhaps??.....Nuff said
@Mq
Thanks for this Merlin.... It baffles me when people come here to bash RA and express their wish for a dream new owner who is perfect and makes perfect decisions that will always get us the trophies we always want to win... Like I always say, some people here don't have a good understanding of what they say and will proably denny Chelsea if we ever have a new owner who is not ready to support the club with much fund as RA does. I have come to the conclusion that a lot of people here live in the fairytale world... Fantasy! We want a perfect owner, perfect board, perfect players, perfect manager... And all some come here to do is bash Roman, forgetting that they probably won't be supporting Chelsea if not for this man and it is this man who has brought us to the level we are currently at..
Latunvic
Moses the prchestrator of yet another goooooalllll!!!!!!!!!!!! Nigeria 2-0 Mali
Desmondadonis
@mq, of course it the coach who's at fault. no club has a perfect squad and almost any deficiency in a team can be fixed with the right tactic.
zosBlue
Nigeria 3-0 Mali .......
Desmondadonis
There is no doubt that a lot of `people`on this site, don`t actually go to the games and criticise absolutely everything, who are obviously just Johnny come Lately`s. Roman is the best thing that has ever happened to CFC, but putting money ino a club and then just letting it run itself is not possible. He has employed 3 individuals in Buck, Gourlay and Emenalo to run his operation, but none of them are good enough and it is starting to show. Since Jose`s team is now coming to an end, it is imperative that the correct decisions are made in constructing a new squad. The correct manager and Technical Director have to be the right ones to take us forward, otherwise mediocracy beckons and it will be very difficult to change around. Roman needs to grasp this very important concept before it is too late. Just cherry picking good players with potential, does not make a team.
Blueheart9
Now to the comments I read here earlier as it is half time here, for the fact that there isn't a perfect board, perfect owner or perfect coach doesn't mean we should abhor mediocrity at every turn, we are not that thick are we? Who knows if the giants who have been shackled in football like pool, nottingham forrest? Conventry? Leeds? (Don't know much about english history so I beg ur pardon) did the same thing under the guise of supporting their club then I fear we chelsea will find ourselves in their shoes too. If roman is not firing as he does every now and then, we won't be this way right now, if there is stability is at the club our youngsters will be enjoying being promoted right now, if there is stability from the onset we won't be this greedy for success right now, roman brought out the greed in chelsea fans with his passion for the club and his demand for success have rubbed on all and asunder, so we as a fan can't expect any form of mediocrity, accept it or not rdm would have helped this team, he cares about the club, he won us trophies, he built this current team where his greatest critic got so orgasmic he admitted he was enjoying his footie only to jumpship at the slightest form of a slump, now this same people are advocating for rafa who got the team into more dire conditions? Was rdm this bad? The jury is out on that, the snakes under the green grass are giving their hopes and trust on a man who don't give a damn about cfc and made vituperating remarks about a player/coach who bled for chelsea. The legendary fergie didn't get to be world class in his first season, I believe he built well with the right people at the helm of affairs a formidable club we are now aiming to emulate if you read his article today, he who is without sin, throw thy stone first! I am off for the second half, I'll love to watch the alleged average player moses who is not a chelsea material lead the eagles to the final hopefully
Desmondadonis
@Desmond....are you watching the Nigeria/Mali game? There have been some good reviews about Mikel against Ivory Coast.....coming from SA. Specifically about his ability to read the game.
OCBlues
Mikel with a delightful pass for an assist.....makes his assist 4..... Nigeria 4-0 Mali........
Desmondadonis
@OCblues, I am a nigerian, I watched all our games and it has been an eye opener to me, I never knew moses can be that good and mikel have been unbelievable though he still kirks up once in a while, but his shots on target and his splitting assists makes me wonder who the mikel playing for chelsea really is. Rafa unfortunately won't watch this games to learn one or two things about his players to improve the team when they return.. We just got another legitimate goal chalked for offside
Desmondadonis
Desmond...FYI I am aware that you and Kaku are Nigerian. Before Torres, Mikel had probably the best passing range after Scholes and Gerard in the EPL. Since Torres this team has been looking for a DM who can specifically pass to stationery Torres.
OCBlues
@OCBlues, I am unaware of that, I have been suprised by my country's performance so far and the performance of moses is really suprising..... Our coach just did a rafa now.....we'll see what they'll do in the final on sunday.... lol
Desmondadonis
Nobody is bashing Roman because he is awful or because he harms this club. People are just simply unhappy with the way he is wasting his money, because on 100 millions invested, CL aside, he gets 40 % return on the field these days. People are just saying, rightly so, that there is better way to spend that money with much better return to him and fans too. WE are supporters of Chelsea FC, we always listen talks just how big spenders we are, how classless our club is, and most of us are aware of the fact that if that money was better spent, our owner would get more value on and off the field, we would have reasons to be proud and not to moan, and finally this club would have more class. It is in nobodys interst that incompetent people deal with football matters when everybody see it aint working. It never did, we just had great players able to bail us out. That's not the case anymore, unfortunately. Roman did great things for us, we are all grateful, but we are just hoping he will find way to spend his money in a way that will provide much better results for him. And fans who love and invest in this club too......;)
Luna
@Desmond...Mediocrity at every turn! you don't seem to understand the message in this article or perhaps you just choose to continue with your adventure in Elfland... And may I remind you that this article is not about Rafa or RDM... Some of us love RDM more than you profess and wished he was given more chance, but that is in the past now, we have to move forward as an organisation and your habit of turning every article into RDM vs Rafa argument still reflects the naive part of you as you tend not to have a broad view of things, I'm sorry to say... Merlin as come up with this artice not to start a comparion btw RDM and Rafa I suppose.... Now, yes we want stability and you blame Roman for our lack of stabilty, claiming this is this is wy you are this greedy for success and also holding Roman responsible for the greed in you.... where is the logic in all these, can yoiu please tie all this together and just expantiate maybe a bit further... And will you suggest retaining Rafa all in the name of stability or would you have suggested retaining AVB also in the name of stability... So, Roman is now a mediocre.... I'll come back to this later... I have to go somewhere now.....
Latunvic
@ Merlin, Great article. This is a conclusion to my earlier article. It's really surprising to read comments like that. CFC financial issue before Roman was a ticking time boom and people seems to forget that. I add Leeds (a powerhouse in EPL well got to the CL semi final but were are now) to your examples of clubs that have fall down the league because of financial problem.
jollyheart Torres
Luna you explained much better in simple terms...we say they call us classless and plastics, they say we ruin the game and is the cause for inflation in player prices, we call it envy which Is part true, but atimes u'll look at it and u see they have a point
Desmondadonis
@Jollyheart... most of the people wishing for a new owner will most likely not be here anymore if that happens to us.......
Latunvic
so now that everybody seems to be saying it will be madness for Roman to leave the club, where are the folks that the article was meant for?...I feel they should come out to defend their opinion - why Roman should walk away from chelsea...and lets have some good conversation...its either they are hiding or not man enough to own up thus joining the band wagon....**smh, thats soo sad!
layorh12
Hahaha...Just read through the article and comments and it was worth the read. Lol. Well I'm not sure I've come across anyone clamoring for Abra to leave,yes i've seen many critical of his handling of the club,but never seen anyone saying he should sell the club for a new owner,that would be ungrateful init. We love Roman,and every Chelsea fan should be thankful for what he has brought to the club and the achievements that surpassed our imagination. That doesn't mean fans are not within their rights to be critical of him when he makes certain decisions that are obviously a slap on the faces of fans (Like the sacking of Robbie and appointment of Rafa). Roman deserves utmost respect from fans,and fans deserve a fair amount of respect from Roman its that simple. All in all we all love this club,and might have different reasoning and opinions,but the bottom line is...we want to see this club move in the right direction. Up the Chels!!
nelyvanile
1994 was my first ever FA Cup final. I've never watched it since as i value my own memories of the day. I remember Man U looking a little jaded in the first 45mins and thought we might actually have a chance especially when Peacock (i think!) hit that dipping volley. But alas it was not to be and i trudged off back to my new home in North London ( i had just moved there from Mitcham) in the pouring rain with my flag (not plastic!) and my programme which is proudly hung on my sons bedroom wall. I enjoyed the day at Wembley apart from the result and i couldn't be sure we get there again for a very long time. Thanks to Roman i've been to 2 more Finals with my son which we won (Portsmouth and Liverpool) and other assorted semi finals and CL games. Roman saved us when we could have done a Leeds Utd and has taken us to the pinnacle of club football glory so we owe him a huge debt of gratitude. But i will say that we appear to have reached a crossroads and the right decisions need to be made to ensure our competitiveness and future success and stability. With FFP around the corner we need to sort out the stadium issue to generate income and our next manager and his say in transfers etc. plus Romans patience with him will be vital. This period could be the foundations for continued success or disaster.....please Roman, get it right! KTBFFH
blueleader01
@blueleader01. the stadium issue is going to be the biggest stumbling block to our ability to maintain and consolidate our position. Some major newspaper are saying that Chelsea will agreed to EPL version FFP. I don't was to raised the red flag yet but I am worry. Because CFC will never be big force with a 42K stadium. Is time CPO for the sake of consolidating CFC position to sort the issue out with the CFC board. is time to take the giant step forward.
jollyheart Torres
@latunvic, I don't know if it is stupidity on ur part or u just like to attack any comment I make just to show how naïve u are in the guise of being intelligent and seeing the broader picture, it is not rdm and rafa comment , it is convenient for you to see it with a red maniacal mist in ur eyes that it is so and not view the broad picture of what I am saying, but the peeps who see what I mean by my comment understand it without being spoonfed, if u are too thick in the head to understand the way I view roman handling of chelsea despite spending almost or over 1 billion pounds and we are still be runned like a clueless club, u mention sacking of avb,rdm, was carlo, mou and grant sacking justified too? After reading comments like luna and nely's u are still moaning about the contents of my comment thinking I am greedy for sucess and gloryhunting, hell yea I am if u feel that way, but it stick into ur craw so much KINDLY ignore my comment henceforth and not refer to it (perhaps ur iq can't grab its content), it is very easy u know.
Desmondadonis
There is something in my country called "Money miss road" meaning a very wealthy individual with just no clue or idea to how to spend it. There is zero correlation with how Roman built his empire with running a football club. Zero. Let's not be biased at all, if you read a lot about how Roman or any of these Russian Oligarchs got their wealth in the 90s, you will literally be disgusted. You think Roman and co got control of Sibneft through "Hardwork" or Evraz or the Aluminium assets. Lol!!!! That's naivety to the core. In regards to this, I doubt any Chelsea fan is not grateful to Roman for what he has done to and for this club, but that doesn't mean we should not call to order STUPID DECISIONS that repeat itself over and over and over again season by season that is absolutely destroying what Chelsea football club is all about. That is the frustration.
KAKUfrank
I still feel that Roman & Board took the right decisions on players bought. They decided to give RDM a chance, but it backfired. Last year, we all complained about lack of service to Torres. But, this year, with all the service from Mazacar, he has failed. Not even GOD could have predicted it. Apart from this 2 things, I dont see anything as a major mistake we had done. But, these 2 have determined our season now....Rafa tried his best, but ACN & Romeu injury let him down very badly.
Blu_run
@KAKU....The exact thing I was saying... And the last time I checked VC is a place u can easily and freely talk about ur frustrations if something is displeasing you, the way things are now, it is very difficult to voice your displeasure here without being called an ungrateful fan, WTF is wrong? Is any fan a bigger fan and lesser fan? Each individual knows what he/she is spending to suscribe for internet services, suscribe to watch super sport as for the african contingents here and atimes get newspaper, u see something u are not down with, say it and by God nobody will shut any other person up as long as he or she is making sense, roman's expenses exceeded the billion mark bcos of some unpalatable decisions and if he doesn't curb it, we'll all be here in another 10 years with perhaps 5 or fewer trophies in between but with higher expenditures and still be having this same conversation over and over again.. Yea it is his money, but we should be doing moderately well now and be a club runned efficiently, watch milan closely and their team, liverpool, dortmund, the modest malaga, their football is bound to improve and they have a destination they are targeting, but we at chelsea are in a state of confusion, we don't know who our next manager is, we are not sure if we'll make top 4, we are not sure of what will happen to our on loan players and yet we are being called naïve and all sort of names........I am so miffed!!!!
Desmondadonis
It's through being "smart" KAKU hence I say Roman is smarter than all of us, probably 10times over. Whatever situation we are facing, eventually we emerge better than before. As for "stupid" decisions, hindsight (which you and practically 99% of VC base your comments on) is such a beauty because it's always right, unfortunately we don't live in a world of hindsight but foresight. So it's easy to criticize decisions now yet forgetting that you basically agreed with them initially, and therein lies our detest of comments like yours
@Mq
You can't agree to something then when things go bad you turn and point fingers like you you disagreed from the start. That's the basis of folly
@Mq
Yeah right. Smart or Smarter my ass!!!!! He was simply in the right place at the right time and had the balls to do business and front for some of Russia's worst characters in history. Don't get that twisted at all. If he was born in London or elsewhere, I doubt he will be a Billionaire because of is so called smartness. Do you think Sheikh Mansour is a Billionaire because he is smart or Frank Timis or Bezovsky or Deripaska of Rusal. Take out the Chelsea HAT for once, clean the glasses and see through the lenses, our owner's money is ill-gotten and has noting to do with wits. Similar to a bloody pirate and Oil bunkerer in my side of town. Smartness have got nothing to do with it. Roman and foresight???? You must be trippin mate!!!!!. Every single football decision the owner has made by himself has been a disaster. He is a money miss road. His money is ill-gotten and gets advise from Smart folks on how to deploy it. Quite frankly, if you detest comments like mine, please don't respond to it. Read it if you choose to and ignore it. Mention the decision I agreed with initially because you make up rubbish and then post here. What decision did I agree with mate? I am really not ready for your gibberish this year....
KAKUfrank
Mention one thing I did not disagree from the start that I am disagreeing with right now.....
KAKUfrank
No1 attains that much riches and "RETAINS" just as much in 15 years KAKU if it weren't for him being smart he'd have lost it by now...
@Mq
...Every single football decision the owner has made by himself has been a disaster....Need I say anymore after such a statement?? It's evident from such reasoning that any attempt to "enlighten" you KAKU will be as futile. I'll let this pass, I have better debates to do with "open minded" individuals
@Mq
And by the way, you agreed to us hiring RDM. Seeing our Champs League campaign, there's no reason for me to prove how foolish that was, it's pretty evident KAKU :)
@Mq
Roman has billions that even Berezovsky been trying to get using the London courts. You on the Internet calling him foolish....LoL....that you can't even pay 1 week of Chelsea's squad academy wages speaks volumes about you calling Roman foolish...Then again, empty vessels do make the loudest noise don't they?? *Go figure
@Mq
@blu run,u make sense but i dont think the 'avengers' would agree with u
Ken4CFC
@KAKU you sound so naive... how can you say someone that has retain his wealth for years is a money miss road.... What do you mean someone is a money miss road, re you saying there re some set of people that re entitled to being rich?... Either he gets advise from smart folks or he himself is smart doesnt matter even getting advise from smart folks is also a smart decision. You said "he was simply in the right place at the right time and had the balls to do business" from that statement of yours it shows how smart Roman was because he had the balls to do business. You don't have the right to call anyone MONEY MISS ROAD, If Roman na money miss road tell me how you go know.... You re not among the richest men in the world
cfctoruletheworld
Seems you re the smart guy, maybe you should buy CFC and deliver 10 trophies in 8 years including CL and EPL
cfctoruletheworld
Nobody here has not been frustrated by 1 or 2 decisions made by roman and this article is equally not barrin anyone from expressin it either but the article is aimed at those who want roman gone,those who want him to sell up,those who want new owner(s)..well if u are one of them,then "BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!"
Ken4CFC
Lmao@cfctoruletheworld,"seems you are the smart guy,maybe u should buy CFC and deliver 10trophies in 8yrs"...am laughin really hard..hahaha..so much for the smart dudes
Ken4CFC
Never in a million years do I want roman to leave or sell. He's just got the wrong people around him. Get rid of those and we will be fine. We are even signing up to the ffp and wage increase cap. This means roman wants to help the club become self sufficient. That's why we will only buy cheap talented young players. Maybe 1 big money signing a season.
Blue1989
Yeah@Ken.. some dude think Roman is not smart and forget that no one is perfect when it comes to decision making and moreover most of them have had it wrong at some point in their lives but here criticizing a man that had the balls to make some decisions that paid off
cfctoruletheworld
It's funny CFCTORULE and KEN how some people call ppl like Roman stupid, ppl who are clearly smarter than them evidenced by achievements and attainments. It's even funnier when they themselves, the "call other's stupid" ppl haven't done anything "noteworthy". As I said, hindsight is always right. Pity we don't live in hindsight but foresight, and the smart ppl act on foresight better than others.
@Mq
There's no denying how not perfect Roman's decisions are, but the results eventually justify the means. Anyone who can't deal with that best spend £1.5billion and let's see if they do it better
@Mq
And all this comparison with the Abu Dhabi group is foolish too, because in 3 years they've won 1 EPL and 1 FA Cup, never gone beyond last 16 of the Champs League. We, in the same period when Roman bought us, had 1) reached the semi-final and 2nd place when Ranieri was in charge, and 2) Reached the semi-finals successively whilst winning the 2 EPL, 1 League Cup and 1 FA Cup. Come back in 10 years and justify why the Abu Dhabi group is a better owner, but judging on current status, it's safe to gamble on them failing to achieve the results we have under Roman......*smh
@Mq
@cfctoruletheworld,thats the reality of life.some would not remove the log of dirty on their eyes but they make huge meal out of one on anothers' eyes.some people are born to complain,thats all they do..they want a perfect club,perfect owner,perfect manager,perfect team e.t.c forgetin that nobody is perfect..guess the world is big enough to accommodate us all....
Ken4CFC
Spot on @mq,its really funny how this people say roman isnt smart or he should leave because he is clueless,stupid e.t.c..when an idiot cant even dream of the lofty heights he has attained..
Ken4CFC
This place is going downward lately. Sad thing. About the topic, Roman has done a lot for this club. But that does not change the fact he has made some silly decisions. 1 of the worst decision was to hire Rafael Benitez. Not because he is a very poor manager. But hiring him, the club's owner/board showed they don't care about player sentiments. No one is saying Roman should leave. The fans are asking the board should make sensible decisions and should have fans' interest in their mind while taking any major decision.
Keyser Soze
The club was here before Roman and it will be here after Roman. It is just a phase that Roman is the owner of this club.He won't be the owner of this club forever. As long as he is the owner of this club, he is spending it, he should spend it wisely.
Keyser Soze
*But hiring him, the club's owner/board showed they don't care about fans' sentiment.
Keyser Soze
@Keyser no one is saying he hasn't make some stupid decision but that doesn't mean we should all forget the ones he has made that really has helped and start calling him names. And do you think he doesn't know he made a mistake? or he is not trying to fix it? well we all should see him as a owner that loves his club. If his decision has place us on top of the table in EPL, put us in the last 16 of CL, won the CWC and put us in the final of CC am sure everyone will be calling him genius
cfctoruletheworld
what is money miss road?? loooool did the money get missing on the road? what a joke that is? its like a broke dude on income support telling an empire builder how crap he is at being entrepreneurial...should be on a joke of the day caption lol
JohnnyOz
hahahaha nice one cfctoruletheworld...
JohnnyOz
Really funny JonnyOz
cfctoruletheworld
Really funny JohnnyOz
cfctoruletheworld
cfctoruletheworld, his acts are anything but of a genius lately. How is being a successful entrepreneur got to do with being able to run a football club properly. His mega money purchase of Shevchenko, Torres show how much he knows about it. Not to mention his hire and fire attitude towards his managers. Lately by hiring Benitez he showed he does not care about fans. As I said he wont be here forever. The spine of the club is its fan base.
Keyser Soze
@cfctoruletheworld, you are STUPID. Read about the history of Vladmir Putin, Oleg Derispaka (murderers of various Aluminium senior management and owners), ex-KGB killers, gangsters and murderers. Pointing guns to people's heads to sign term sheets or force them to sell their assets WAY BELOW THEIR VALUE. Paying Billions of Dollars to ex-KGB killers for protection. Stealing Crude Vessels and selling off the crude for money deposits in an offshore account. Those are the kind of characters that Roman dealt with in his earlier life. Having balls to deal with those sort of shady character has NOTHING to with smartness BUT Balls. Period. You sound Nigerian so let me school you a bit. Roman is just like Oleg Deripaska - new Oligarchs, but Roman is the more quieter version of Deripaska. Deripaska bought Alscon located in Akwa Ibom State. The asset was worth $1.5bn, but after bribing some folks in Obasanjo's government, he bought it for US$ 100MM. As soon as he bought it, he sold some equipment and made some quick money rumored around $400mm. He is currently fighting with the government today because they want to recoup the true value of the asset. He did the same in Guinea. Rio Tinto also did the same in Guinea for some Iron Ore Asset. What does bribery, putting guns to people heads etc....have to do with smartness? Retaining Wealth is now smartness too. Geezzzz. So because Paris Hilton is still wealthy from her trust and has retained some money in there still means she is smart????? Really??
KAKUfrank
wow...and what is the point of all this Kaku? If an arsenal fan had done up this digging and negative press around Roman, we'd say it was jealousy driven, but for this to come from a chelsea fan? claiming Roman's wealth is ill gained and he didnt have the intelligence to make his own wealth or maintain it clearly lacks class and shows the truly vindictive nature of human beings....A guy that has supported our club with the majority of his resources? you think he didnt have alternatives? he couldnt have gone the Bill Gates way and simply given his money to charity or invest it in other businesses? And what is the Paris Hilton / Roman Abramovich comparison....Paris hilton is an empire builder now? I dont want really have the time to carry on now but i'll be back....Shameful stuff imo...
JohnnyOz
being smart is not only attaining but "RETAINING" something. Anyone will tell you it's easier to acquire than it is to maintain and grow something, which Roman has done very well KAKUFRANK so whether you, "genius" think it's smart or not, BOTTOM LINE is that in the eyes of anyone else but you (and maybe 1% of 5 ppl) Roman is smart. A "loner" in thought is either a genius or an idiot, what are you?? *smh
@Mq
If i had the chance to be at the bridge i would rather hold a "Thank You Roman" rather than "Rafa Out", although i want Rafa Out.
caspar_blue
Jesus Christ.....The thinking process here is baffling. You clowns are connecting Wealth with running a football club and NONE of them have anything to do with each other. You are also trying to claim he is smart because of how much money he has made and again how much money you have made has nothing to do with each other. Everybody knows HOW ROMAN's money was made except the blind folks so let's not go there. CLAIMING because he was smart and made money means he is smart and we should trust his decisions on Chelsea football club is rubbish. ABSOLUTELY NOT. There are a lot of folks out there running football clubs and doing so properly not because of money. Let me give you Roman's decisions in the last 5 years starting from the worst - a.) Hiring Benitez b.) Buying Torres for 50mm including chasing up to him from the world cup. c.) Buying Shevchenko. d.) Firing Mourinho, Ancelotti and RDM e.) Hiring and Firing AVB. His management boys cautioned him not to hire him and go for a more senior head. He decline to listen to them and invited AVB against their wishes. These are the footie decisions he's made in the last how many years ON HIS OWN. When he lets football folks do what's necessary, we are fine. In case someone thick up there doesn't understand, this is what I mean by Roman's football decisions. If he lets the folks he appointed do the work, he will be fine. If he does it himself, we'll be set back for a bit. And quite frankly, what's shameful is the reasoning process.
KAKUfrank
You actually don't need to enlighten me MQ because if you do I will be stupid to listen to you. You get smarter by listening and conversing with people who make sense and have a track record NOT with fellas who never make sense and have a terrible track record. Speaking of your track record and your statements about foresight, lets examine a few since the season started: a.) Hulk vs. Moses - No need to talk too much on that. One is languishing and wanting to leave Russia, doled as the most overrated player in Brazilian history while Moses has become an integral part of his club; probably the most important player for his National team and on his way to win the nations for my country on Sunday. You of course thought Victor Moses was a scrub. b.) Fire RDM because he is clueless, defensive boring football and clueless - Since he was fired, has Chelsea improved? We've gone from 3-4 points behind Man U to 16 points. We've been knocked out of the Carling Cup as well. c.) Your initial support for Torres because we have the 3 amigos. How has Torres fared d.) Your support of Benitez because he is tactically smart. He is the worst manager in Roman's history. He is taken us further back than ever and he HAS COMPLETELY AND CONSISTENTLY FOLLOWED THE SAME RULE BOOK AND DECISIONS RDM was using of which you deemed RDM was clueless. So if all these statements and so called decisions you supported were "foresight" by you of which all have been turned out to be CRAP and RUBBISH opinions from you, WHAT SHOULD I CONVERSE WITH YOU? I am looking to get smart and NOT STUPID by listening to a so called bank manager........
KAKUfrank
Roman may be the owner of the club but he is not the owner of the fans. But if he keeps on disrespecting the fans' interest, the fans would slowly feel disjointed with the club. Tomorrow if he becomes bankrupt or he gets bored of the club he will have to sell the club. He was not even a Chelsea fan before he bought the club. It was only our CL qualification in the year 2003 that prompted him to buy the club. Apparently, his 1st choice was to buy the Spuds. So all these unconditional support for owner talk does not make sense. It will be conditional at least to some extent.
Keyser Soze
WE Have heard about player being compared with the next "Messi" the next "Ronaldo" the next Xavi the next "Lampard" etc etc....ever heard about the next "Roman Abromovich"...i.e Tony Fernanades...the Abromovich of relegation zone.....only roman can do it..of being compared as the next owner...
shlok27
Name one person in this world apart from Mary poppins who is practically perfect in every way. No one is perfect in this world, that includes roman. He's not taken a single penny out of this club. As I said he needs to align himself with better people.
Blue1989
Wherever you are going to Johnny Oz, ask them to tell you what calling a Spade a Spade is. If Pablo Escobar owned this club, that doesn't mean we should not speak the TRUTH about his money. Don't get that twisted. The source of his wealth and retainment of his wealth has NOTHING to do with running a football club. To retain his wealth he has hired the Best lawyers from the States and the best Wizzkid in Tenanbaum. I will advise him to do so with a football club. Let a set of football people help him run his club...
KAKUfrank
@KAKU you re the clown here who is calling someone a "MONEY MISS ROAD" how does that sound to you and you re the one connecting the way he made money with the way he runs a football club. You said he has made mistakes in the last 5 years why dont we also look at what we have achieved in last 5 years. I am not saying he has not made mistakes which everyone knows about. I guess you lot will never be happy.... some people on here want RDM sacked even before he was fired, Some were happy when Shevy was bought. If he brings back RDM and do whatever your wishes re and yet it didnt work y'all will still talk. Why dont we just accept he has made this mistakes and see what happens in the summer... am sure he has a reason for not spending while Benitez is here he knows the fans re not happy and that is why he is not giving tubby the support
cfctoruletheworld
And before some THICK MORONS think I have beef with Roman, read what I said in my first post: "In regards to this, I doubt any Chelsea fan is not grateful to Roman for what he has done to and for this club, but that doesn't mean we should not call to order STUPID DECISIONS that repeat itself over and over and over again season by season that is absolutely destroying what Chelsea football club is all about. That is the frustration"
KAKUfrank
Connecting the way he made money and how he runs the club??????? Jesus Christ. Are people that THICK here these days???? When did I ever say or refer to Roman being a Billionaire and how he runs the club? When....Look at the decisions Roman has made over the last 5 years and mention the TOP clubs that have made the same amount or near amount of mistakes IN THE SAME 5 YEARS........Which TOP Club is currently AT WAR with their FANS because of such decisions?????
KAKUfrank
The mistake people are making on VC is that they believe some folks are better fans and some are not, even if u go to the bridge everyday, that doesn't make u any better than someone. Nobody is saying roman did wrong by buying chelsea, we appreciate him for it, but if he have been more prudent in his spendings and not too headstrong in some decision makings we'll be in a better position now and perhaps the CPO would trust his judgement to take the club to the next level. Is roman doing a good job at chelsea right now? The answer is no, perhaps he'll get there in the nearest future, the jury is out on that one.
Desmondadonis
The mistake people are making on VC is that they believe some folks are better fans and some are not, even if u go to the bridge everyday, that doesn't make u any better than someone. Nobody is saying roman did wrong by buying chelsea, we appreciate him for it, but if he have been more prudent in his spendings and not too headstrong in some decision makings we'll be in a better position now and perhaps the CPO would trust his judgement to take the club to the next level. Is roman doing a good job at chelsea right now? The answer is no, perhaps he'll get there in the nearest future, the jury is out on that one.
Desmondadonis
People re here saying Roman make mistakes.... and forget that in cases like this he cant make the decision alone he must have been mislead... Do you think he contacted Benitez without people telling him to consider that? The problem is with those that run the club not really with Roman
cfctoruletheworld
@KAKU you dont call me STUPID you idiot saying Gibberish. I dont need to read about anyone because I know all about them. I dont want to judge the way he made his money as that is not my call... it is left to him and his God. if you have problem with that get on the next flight and say it to him or rather stop being a chelsea fan because Roman is the owner. clueless IDIOT
cfctoruletheworld
@ kaku Calling us clowns is not a very intelligible or respectful way to have a conversation, and it already tells a lot about the sort of person you are, so in my estimation, given that I have never really seen or followed your contributions to VC, I wouldn’t give the weighting to your postings that I would normally give to a lot of other Chelsea neutral, & imo significantly more intelligent people that come to this side everyday. Because you have referred to me (us) as clowns, I am going to descend to your level because now I am a little miffed at that reference. Basic respect for your fellow human beings is the minimum of requirements when it comes to manners, something of which you clearly have very little. This is only an assumption, but from your comments so far on here this morning, I would think you are so daft, you make Paris Hilton look like a rocket scientist...what is all this Gobbledy Gook? How do you know all these things about who fired who and what etc and who made what decisions? Do you work in the Chelsea dressing room or you do you assume that all the people are teenagers with semi-developed intellectual capacities… Just to be clear that I’m not barking up the wrong tree here, Let’s look at a few of your statements: “The thinking process here is baffling. You clowns are connecting Wealth with running a football club and NONE of them have anything to do with each other.” JO: really? Wealthy men don’t run football clubs successfully? Honestly – in whose little world is the case? “CLAIMING because he was smart and made money means he is smart and we should trust his decisions on Chelsea football club is rubbish” JO: Most of us people that live in the real world generally connect empire building with a high level of intelligence, ruthlessness and desire to succeed. In my eyes RA has all these and more. He has also won us 10 trophies in 9 years and invested over £1.2BN. Even if we don’t trust him, I think surely he must have earned our respect and a degree of loyalty by now – if we’re true fans of course. “His management boys cautioned him not to hire him and go for a more senior head. He decline to listen to them and invited AVB against their wishes. These are the footie decisions he's made in the last how many years ON HIS OWN” JO: Clearly KAKU knows this because he is Mike Emenalo’s younger brother and Emenalo is just about to get the sack for insisting to go with Rafa Benitez, amongst other things, hence Kaku’s disillusion with Roman. Anyway, as we all know Roman has made mistakes (and quite a few at that too), but he that hasn’t/doesn’t make mistakes everyday in their daily and professional life, let them cast the first stone. Perhaps Roman could have set out his stall better regards management stability, leadership etc but do we really know the inner workings of the cfc boardroom? Chelsea’s success under Roman has significantly increased the fan base and Roman knows that if he keeps on winning trophies, the fan base will continue increasing and he will be subject less to the whims of a few etc a la CPO& others Having said that, Man city have had a wealthier owner than Chelsea’s now for 5 yrs and have spent more money than Roman but they have only won 2 trophies. Just a reminder that after 5 years at Chelsea, Roman had won so many trophies, we had lost count and should have even won the UCL after 5 years. This is a man who is a “miss money road” as compared to the smart Oil barons who clearly know what they’re doing. It is unfortunate that the life cycle of the Chelsea champions team did come to an end and we are in the rebuilding phase (this may be too complex a concept for some to understand), but Roman’s only issue for me is the way that he still wants to win win win while transitioning ( a bit like most of us fans) but he will need to temper that desire to win with a bit of realism in the short term. If he does that and with his unrelenting desire to win and finances to boot, there is nobody I’d rather have at the elm of Chelsea football club.
JohnnyOz
Yeah am a Nigerian and am proud and I dont even know there is how Nigerians sound which mean to you if i am STUPID all Nigerians re STUPID. Listen to yourself and tell me how you sound... ENGLISH, RUSSIAN, FRENCH... LOL you re a big idiot
cfctoruletheworld
I hope Roman & the board got their lessons...Chelsea have good players, but what they lack is the manager's trust, as they get a new manager (with different views) every 7 months. If we can stabilise that factor, we can see a lot of improvement in our team performances. So the manager we are going to appoint in this summer is going to be the MOST IMPORTANT DECISION Roman going to take at chelsea. It will define chelsea for the next 3-4 years.
Blu_run
I don't think we should delve into how Roman made his money,its irrelevant for now. I could careless if he stole billions of dollars from the Roman empire with shady deals with some oil barons. He is the owner of Chelsea FC right now and we should leave it at that,and show some atom of respect for the man. After that said the notion that being rich means,being smart enough to run a football club is totally wrong. When the Agnelli family took over Juventus (Andrea Agnelli),he brought wide spread changes across the club. He started from the head by restructuring the board of directors. Giuseppe Marotta was recruited to oversee the sporting department,and also going on to assume the role of CEO. Marotta made essentially most of the footballing decisions,and financial decisions,including the appointment of Conte. Yes we've won trophies,we've attained the tag of big club status in Europe,we have had top talents grace stamford bridge and can authoritatively say London is blue...All thanks to Roman. But let's take a more in depth look,could this club be run better? Could certain decisions have been made to avoid our shortcomings? Could some mistake have been avoided,that meant splashing money to solve the mistake? No one is saying Roman should leave or shouldn't leave,most are saying things should be done better and properly. If you have been a fan of Chelsea for decades like I have,you would agree there's a certain distance building btw Club and fans at the moment. I don't want to see that happen,i don't want to see the soul of the club ripped to bits and thorn apart. Roman needs to take a back sit,relax and employ people who understand how a football club should run and watch his financial input yield dividence. Jose said this in 2006; “If Roman Abramovich helped me out in training we would be bottom of the league and if I had to work in his world of big business,we would be bankrupt!” When quizzed about Romans involvement in club activities.
nelyvanile
@cfctoruletheworld, read your first statement to ME and then you will know why I called you stupid.......
KAKUfrank
well said Nely
JohnnyOz
I've made my points numerous times to even begin doing so now. :)
@Mq
I will respond to you JohnnyOZ and I will do it politely. Let me start from this: AS YOU READ MY COMMENTS, MAKE SURE YOU FOLLOW THE TRAIL OF COMMENTS ON HERE so you will understand why my reactions are justified. After that, mention specifically when I said JOHNNYOZ is a clown. Firstly, my first post was never in reference to you or any fan. But what is the first thing I read after my post. Firstly, there is fan called cfctoruletheworld. His first response to me "you sound so naive" and "You re not among the richest man" or "Seems you re the smart guy, maybe you should buy CFC and deliver 10 trophies in 8 years including CL and EPL". Since you are the smart one Johnny OZ, what in my first post gave cfctoruletheworld THAT I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY CONVERSATION with to say that? Secondly, what was your own first comment: "and what is the point of all this Kaku?" or "clearly lacks class and shows the truly vindictive nature of human beings" or "Shameful stuff imo". Firstly, did I ever refer to you in any of my prior posts? What in my post gave you the right to post such comments towards me? Secondly, What is lacking class about calling a Spade a Spade or speaking the truth? If Frank Lucas, Big Meech, Derispaska, Tony Montana or anyone else owned Chelsea, I will say the same thing about how they got their money. Thirdly it is clear YOU ABSOLUTELY DID NOT UNDERSTAND my Paris Hilton comment AT ALL. A fan posted up there that besides attaining wealth, RETAINING also proves you are smart. In case you did not understand (WHICH IS CLEAR FROM YOUR LONG POST), I said Paris Hilton has a trust which will probably make her wealthy till she dies - does this mean she is smart? Again, trying to prove my point of no correlation between wealth and smartness. So before you post another long comment that contains statement about or referring to me as "I would think you are so daft", I will caution you to first of all KNOW WHO MY COMMENT(S) IS OR REFERRING TO....the only thing I even referred to you was "Wherever you are going to Johnny Oz, ask them to tell you what calling a Spade a Spade is. If Pablo Escobar owned this club, that doesn't mean we should not speak the TRUTH about his money". How does that refer to calling you a CLOWN in your BOOK??????
KAKUfrank
Spot on Nely. @KAKU In my first statement, what did i say that is not right or that deserves being call STUPID? I said you dont have the right to call someone MONEY MISS ROAD which sound so harsh and disrespectful to someone who support your beloved club. Saying you sound so naive doesnt warrant you calling me STUPID cos if you read your first statement am sure you will realize you have used some words that Roman doesnt deserve. I love chelsea not Roman am just saying that you shouldnt have said such thing about cfc owner, no matter what he still owns cfc today and if those words were said by a rival fan what will be your reaction.
cfctoruletheworld
"Again, trying to prove my point of no correlation between wealth and smartness and Wealth and running a club"
KAKUfrank
@cfctoruletheworld, "you sound so naive" and "You re not among the richest man" or "Seems you re the smart guy, maybe you should buy CFC and deliver 10 trophies in 8 years including CL and EPL". If I said that you, how will you react mate??????
KAKUfrank
1) Chelsea, with Victor Moses, have struggled this season. Zenit, with Hulk (a player whose teammates don't like) are top of their log, so what does this mean?? You all talk about Hulk being a flop, PROVE IT or shut up, simple....2) RDM saw us humiliated in the Champs League, he had to go. He was clueless, Roman and the board could see that hence they sacked him and hired Rafa. And that he's still unemployed despite club after club hiring Managers during the season speaks VOLUMES about his so-called "tactical nous" that certain VC "experts" like KAKU are the only 1's who see that, the same "smart" people that call Roman foolish. RDM played fewer games than Rafa and only an idiot would deny we were seeing the signs of a downward spiral, 3nil on Wed away to Juve followed by Man$hitty, they would've killed us and severely wounded our reputation hence it took foresight to act right, but for you hindsight "smarties" it doesn't make sense because that's all you ever do, derive judgement in hindsight. The season ain't over despite the results, oh by the way next thing you'll be faulting Rafa for our League Cup exit, laughable really...3) Yes I supported Benitez due to his experience, and yes results aren't currently going away but I will argue with RDM it could've been and would've been worse. You can deny all you like, but no "smart" Manager would stay jobless even beyond Jan transfer, that's just lame......
@Mq
....Jose said this in 2006; “If Roman Abramovich helped me out in training we would be bottom of the league and if I had to work in his world of big business,we would be bankrupt!” When quizzed about Romans involvement in club activities....So said the trainer who's expensively assembled and multi-talented team is sitting 16points behind their rivals (and its only Feb). No1 invests the kind of Money Roman has and not have an influence in the clubs decisions, Juve doesn't have the riches and isn't developed into a club the stature we are now so using them as an example is unwise.
@Mq
I didnt say you re naive, I said you sound so naive, I said you re not among the richest men in the world( correct me if am wrong cos I am not among them either and wont know if Roman is a money miss road) Seems you re the smart guy, maybe you should buy CFC and deliver 10 trophies in 8 years including CL and EPL( You sound so smart and like you can do better that is why i suggest you should buy the club)... Well to just make peace am SORRY if you were offend by those statements... I deserve an apology as well
cfctoruletheworld
And if you want someone to treat you with respect and not respond with derogatory statements, the best way to go about it is not writing your first comment in response to the person as follows: "its like a broke dude on income support telling an empire builder how crap he is at being entrepreneurial...should be on a joke of the day caption lol" You tell me how that is respectful. What has made Chelsea successful has been football people making decisions and that decison being backed by owner's wealth NOT wealthy man with no football track record making those decisions directly. Jose Mourinho did say Roman should leave such decisions to a football person and if he, Jose was running Roman's businesses, Roman's businesses will be bankrupt. And that has been my point, trusting football decisions on the owner because he is wealthy DOES NOT PROVE or mean he can run a football club smartly and efficiently. There is a clear difference between owning a football club and running it. Roman has shown like I said in 5 examples that he continues to FECK our season up whenever he interferes WITH FOOTBALL OPERATIONS.
KAKUfrank
1.) Zenit St Petersburg has played 19 games in the Russian league this season. Hulk has featured ONLY in 8. How someone that features in 8 games out of 16 is an integral part that makes the team top of the LEAGUE is......Only you in your smart world can explain. Put up or SHUT UP. You are incredibly.........3 goals and 1 assist since he was signed.....How many times do you choose to deny that mate?????2.) If Benitez saw us exit the league cup, I wonder how he would have helped us beat Juve and Shakthar? I don't know how many times I have to say this, but NEVER DID I say RDM had it tactically. The greatest strength I ever mentioned was his personnel management. I have also mentioned that to you a million times, but you choose to forget. 3.) Your track record has zero credibility for anyone to listen to any of your thoughts. This is the last thing I will mention to you cos you quite frankly irritate me. I thought Merlin had banned you as I did not see a few comments from you in a couple of articles. I will stay away since quite frankly, you pollute and destroy this place with your gibberish.....
KAKUfrank
@cfctoruletheworld, apology accepted and I apologize too for my STUPID comment.
KAKUfrank
anyone who was a fan in 94' and watched that final where we lost 4 - 0 appreciates RA input in this club and will accept his errors as we all know back in 1994 we was not sure if we would ever win a proper trophy.
MrDax
@mq. You don't expect me to respond to those comments do you? Juve isn't developed to the club and statue we are now? Really Mq...when did you start watching football?
nelyvanile
@nely enuff said,......... when u say something as u see it, people will think u are bashing unrealistically even when the facts are staring them in the face, we are not in the 1940s where a word can lead u to the gulag or auschwitz* or wherever they send offenders to at that time, this is a free world where u state it as u see it, if u can't make that person understand through debating your case with facts or common sense, then jog on, there are some fans I'll always respect here, they'll write just 2 comments and u'll know within urself that this person is making sense and knows his football, when they debate with u for a while and see that u don't see things in their own way, they just stop debating, that is what debating is all about and with such people, their enviable character is what have made the forum more healthy this days, but when u say someone is an idiot,stupid or naïve, foolish or stuffs like that it makes people react which leads to insults one way or the other, what for? Huh?
Desmondadonis
I dont see how making an analogy to express my gross disapproval of a statement made on this site amounts to what you say, but the only reason you're getting derisive comments is because of the nature of your post. #thatdarnmirror I think you'll find that certain well respected chaps on this thread have already made inferences to Roman's mistakes...so what are you telling us that we dont already know in that respect?....Its just that you prefer to "romanbash" and we prefer to just comment and hope /expect that things improve in certain areas while appreciating the mans work so far, not comparing him to major underworld criminals like Tony Montana & someone called Deripaska.... I urge you to also be careful with your somewhat defamatory comments against Roman and his history - for all you know his lawyers may be lurking around this website, and i'm not sure comparisons to major Drug dealers/convicted criminals will sit well with them or with the vast majority of cfc fans...unless of course you have hard evidence to prove this. Nuff said!
JohnnyOz
Like I said, some "experts" love to spout in hindsight....1) Buying Torres was a fu(K up?? Who knew or expected that when we bought him, hell who knew or expected that when the season started?? I suggested we buy a winger-cum-2nd striker who would help in case Torres flopped, but people called that idiotic and celebrated buying Moses, how much "contribution" has Moses made?? We were suffering even with him present, proving it wasn't a wise decision in the long-run??...2)Bringing Rafa to Chelsea?? It was easy if you spoke to or "analyzed" RDM to know that he was clueless, was a chancer and disaster waiting to happen (guess what, IT DID HAPPEN)...3) Buying Sheva?? Not for Mourinho playing him out of position we wouldn't be having this discussion, but as usual the "experts" clearly have no analytical view but act on impulse, the same impulse their decisions are derived from, how smart is that??...4) Being knocked out of the Carling Cup is Rafa's fault?? Do I really need to respond to such nuisance.??....5) not buying Hulk?? That should be easy, Moses has done almost nothing for Chelsea but made 2 assists for Nigeria against Mali and suddenly that's Chelsea's benefit?? Hulk offered more versatility and would have come handy once we saw Torres struggle, any1 "smart" would have seen that hence we tried to buy him but Zenit paid crazy money to buy and give him crazy wages, the reason his teammates despise him. Besides all that, calling him a flop without reason/fact/statistical evidence proves 1 thing only - delusion....Nuff said
@Mq
...Juve isn't developed to the club and statue we are now? Really Mq...when did you start watching football?...are you talking about the Juve that was DEMOTED TO SERIE B (or something) FOR MATCH FIXING?? YOU CALL THAT SUCCESS??....*smh
@Mq
@interesting discussion in here...@mq before rafa was hired by chelsea, i tot he was jobless for 2 full years (I mean working as a coach)...based on that alone and your argument that "no smart Manager would stay jobless even beyond Jan transfer, that's just lame"....suggest to me that hiring rafa was also not a good decision since he has been out of job for 2 years....so things are a bit complex really...or could it be that (goint by your line of tot) the board that RDM was just a terrible adn anything at all will be an upgrade?...because as far as I am concerned, I dont think rafa as done anything to really suggest he is world class or show that he has got some expirience...he cant change formations (not tactically flexible (or at least try to be)) and results as been as bad as it can get...RDM who many do agree is not tactically astute came in and changed to a 4-2-3-1 immediately he took over the team...and while I do agree that rafa likes to play that formation, i tot the squad depth issues as well as results should have prompted him to wanta change something....a flat or altered 4-3-3 seems to suite this team at at least till the end of the season in my eyes..even if he had tried that and maybe he dint work (i doubt it wont work), then that will be another matter....its just my tot though....
layorh12
Hahahaha....See reasons why i ignore your comments mq,cause they hold no water or make sense at all. So because Juventus were demoted to Serie B makes them less successful? There's nothing more to be said.
nelyvanile
Hulk stats for all to see...http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/hulk/profil/spieler_80562.html............................mind you, Hulk joined Zenit when the Russian league had started so he's played 16 games in Russia, 4 goals and 4 assists. Mindful that he's had to 1) acclimatise to the Russian weather, 2) He's playing with teammates who hate him, name a winger with vastly better stats to label him a flop, otherwise save us the exhibit of your stupidity and myopic reasoning. We've seen enough KAKU
@Mq
RAFA OUT!! :)
JohnnyOz
How can you call a CHEATING club successful NELY??
@Mq
Excuse me @JohnnyOz, did you ever read the testimonies of Roman in the COURT OF LAW in England in his case against Berzovsky???? Did you read his statements? If you haven't then you should read it and then you will understand where my FIRST comment about Roman came from. How does a statement that actually refers to a testimony (in the court of Law in England by the man himself) of how they made money which I mentioned in my first post "if you read a lot about how Roman or any of these Russian Oligarchs got their wealth in the 90s, you will literally be disgusted. You think Roman and co got control of Sibneft through "Hardwork" or Evraz or the Aluminium assets." How is this RomanBash? The man said it himself and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong or legally wrong with my post. His lawyer can lurk around all he likes, BUT the Roman admitted to paying off bodyguards for protection to the tune of $1.2BN in the court of England Law. So if owner admitted to paying such characters off for protection, what is wrong with me referring to such as our owner relating with shady characters? Your analogy is and was derisive as I made no defamatory comments about our owner since of course our owner already admitted to such in court. So please don't accuse of making derisory comments about the owner of which he admitted to already.
KAKUfrank
well said LAYOR but I recall Rafa saying he turned down jobs because he only wanted a "big club" hence my reasoning. As for him not changing his formation to suit the team, those are the flaws I have agreed to for some time now (well if you call 3 weeks time) however you can't fault him if we control games (Reading, Newcastle) only to concede in the last minutes, it means his tactics aren't bad but the players are not doing enough defensively
@Mq
AVB waited turned down Santos (Brazil) in Jan, likewise Valencia before the season ended. Jose himself said he turned down some clubs and chose to wait it out, also waiting for a "big" club. Rafa also said he was waiting for a "big" club. RDM??....silence is deafening
@Mq
If you don't know much about our owner's history, say you don't know than slamming a RomanBash tag on it. How is repeating the owner's testimony in court and statements Roman Bash?
KAKUfrank
chuckling loudly... Hell yea, rafa out!!! If he doesn't win the next 3 games or get 7 points at a minimum....... .... Anybody that haven't watched moses for both club and country should not compare him with any other player that haven't been seen for over 2 months now #obscurity .. The comparison won't wash at all
Desmondadonis
@mq...i do think its possible RDM has got offers may be not from the top clubs but from the decent ones that are not yet made public...I think he'll be back at work next season...your post above ^^ makes sense i mean about tweaking tactics by rafa although if defensively the defenders were messing up just before the end of matches..i think rafa has certain pragmatic options which he is not using...he could easily have switched to a 5-4-1 in some of those games (e.g. vs Reading where he did Torres for BA) we were leading by slender margins just before the end since we had JT on the bench who i am sure could do a job for 6-8 minutes to close a game, that change alone that he is not making has cost us some good points under tubby...I rest my case!....nice one.
layorh12
Moving on to the 94 FA Cup defeat to Manchester united in the final (4-0). Well like some who thought we were never going to be in an FA Cup final again,i thought otherwise at that time. I remember quite vividly watching the game in a pub from start till after Mark hughes got Manchester United's 3rd goal,so i just gave up and went home and later found out it finished 4-0. We defeated Manchester United home and away,who later went on to win the league while we finished in 14th or 15th. We looked good enough to do a tripple on the Red devils if we had taken our chances in the first half especially that volley from peacock that hit the cross bar. All in all,I felt we could do it again,I felt we were getting there...Well my instincts were right,it was just 3 years later in 1997 when we achieved this feat...Roberto Di Matteo top lad when it matters.
nelyvanile
The day Hulk is an integral part of the team that completely annihilates the likes of Drogba, Chek Tiote, Yaya Toure, Kalou and co and also wins a MEDAL for Brazil in Copa America....then maybe we can speak of him in the class of Moses shadows......Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KAKUfrank
I wont really say much more around this... just like Merlin says you really dont know what you have till you lose it... Roman Abramovich has been good to CFC & long may it continue...He is a russian who got lucky (& very smart) in what was a communist environment where political power was very pre-eminent. He got into the bed with the politcal leaders and paid chunks of money (in instalments) to Berezovsky for protection amounting to the amount you quote...something that was common in the upper echelons of 90's political dealings in Russia. I think this proves his intelligence for an orphan that was previously making toys from his step parents basement. I dont think this admission in an English court is wrong and i certainly dont find it disgusting... We live in the US/UK so its ok for us to be judge and juror about the legitimacy of those dealings but in reality as cfc fans, we should be defending his position till a point comes when a criminal court finds him guilty of any wrongdoing. I believe this has and will never happen, so from where i am sitting, and as a loyal blue i will support my very very benevolent owner. There are already more than enough rival fans out there thrashing our club and owner without "chelsea fans" having to join their cause as well....Keep The Faith
JohnnyOz
@Mq. They are champions of the Serie A and apparently knocked us out of the Champions League? That's if you want to disregard their past achievements. Why am I even responding...lol
nelyvanile
...@Mq. They are champions of the Serie A and apparently knocked us out of the Champions League? That's if you want to disregard their past achievements....it's not their current success (1 season worth) but their past success where I disagree with you NELY coz you can't call a cheating club successful in the past, that's like calling Armstrong a "winner" which, unless you implying a winner in cheating, doesn't make any sense at all. I'm not saying Juve is a "small" club but comparing their success to Chelsea in the last 10 years under Roman, then calling them a "better" club is a tad bit unreasonable, hence my disagreement
@Mq
The day KAKU learns to substantiate his reasoning chickens will grow teeth :)
@Mq
@Mq. I wasn't referring to their success man,was talking about how they handled transition and pulled themselves out of the ***** hole they found them selves. Reconstructing your system and becoming a force again is what i was referring to.
nelyvanile
@Mq, you are still trying to prove you are the biggest RDM hater. Give it up son, you win by some distance. But you can't change the fact he won CL with Chelsea defeating your love life Pep. You must be really sad about it. You are still moaning, crying and bitching about it. It is like RDM made an ever lasting hole in your heart.
Keyser Soze
PS: can someone look into why Torres is always MOTM...i find it a little disconcerting :)
JohnnyOz
noted then NELY perhaps we are heading for that reconstruction after all. I see some "changes" come the summer, something that's keeping me optimistic. Roman won't allow us to mellow in "mediocrity" forever.
@Mq
Mq. Are you stupid????? Hulk has what 4 goals and 4 assist including a rubbish Kubok Rossi competition which is where has been most competitive? In the Russian Premier League and UCL which is what counts, he has 3 goals and 1 assist. Even if it is 4 goals and 4 assists? Even if it is 4 goals and 4 assists in 19 games, I can bet my bottom dollar Victor Moses has been more productive on a per minute basis with his 5 goals and 1 assist for Chelsea this season. I will leave that bet and focus on your question - In the premiership alone, Eden Hazard has racked up 6 goals and 6 assists. Theo Walcott has had 11 goals and 7 assists in the Premiership alone. Damien Duff has 3 goals and 7 assist in the Premiership alone. Bale has 11 goals and 1 assist. Even your worst nightmare in Frank Lampard has 6 goals from open in 17 games......In Bundesliga, Ribery, Huszti is on 7 goals and 7 assist in 18 games. Stefan Aigner is on 7 goals and 8 assists. Even Farfan has 5 goals and 4 assist in the same amount of games as Hulk. El Shaarawy, Willian, Pedro Rodriguez, James Rodriguez - Hulk's replacement (7 goals and 5 assists in 10 games). I haven't even mentioned La Liga, Ligue 1, and Serie A players. Please spare us your nonsense and leave this site forever. Like SpanishBlue said, "it would just be nice if you would think before you post sometimes."
KAKUfrank
In the Russian Premier League and UCL which is what counts, he has 3 goals and 1 assist in 14 FOURTEEN GAMES not 19 without a preseason, playing in a different climate, with teammates that hate him. You comparison with Walcott, Hazard, Duff etc is pointless because apart from Hazard, the rest have been with those clubs since last season (at the least) which takes assimilation out of the equation. As for Hazard, he had the ENTIRE PRESEASON with us so he's well-vested with the team. I won't even comment on the rest because quite frankly, they been with their teams forever. Perhaps you should do the thinking KAKU and stop being narrow-minded....if you can
@Mq
Like I said, if you a "loner" in reasoning it either means you a genius or you incredible foolish. That Zenit discussed retaining their "flop" after he threatened to leave either makes them foolish and you smart, or vice-versa. That Chelsea was willing to pay £30Mil for Hulk but was outbid either makes them (the board) foolish and you smart, or vice-versa.....your choice Mr "expert"
@Mq
You said: name a winger with vastly better stats to label him a flop, otherwise save us the exhibit of your stupidity and myopic reasoning. I named closed to 20 and you exclude some because they've been with their clubs for more than one season...Your question never asked for that......Again, YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND EVERYONE KNOWS YOU ARE AN IDIOT on this SITE. Please leave this site forever, YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
KAKUfrank
You want a comparison with players who just moved in one season. What a STUPID IDIOT......You are a moron. You are a loner in your stupid Hulk infactuation as well as your other STUPID REASONINGS......Please leave this website. I though you were banned forever......Go away with your appalling thoughts.
KAKUfrank
Funny you mentioned I should "think before I comment" now having read your last 2 comments, clearly you didn't practice what you preaching. When doing comparisons KAKU learn to include the "underlying" factors, for instance have you ever seen a player thrive playing with teammates who hate him, in a New League with a new team that's already been playing games into the season (basically has a "set" style in which he needs to assimilate to)?? You can call me names all day and night, as long as you can't substantiate your reasoning and resort to insults^^^it speaks VOLUMES about you individually
@Mq
Not only do some people speak a whole of $hit, clearly they practice what they preach
@Mq
 

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