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Build that Bigger Ground!

The need for a Bigger stadium is super obvious now.

Now that the EPL Chairmen have passed a resolution on the EPL version of FFP, which was supported by CFC despite the fact we are one of the targeted teams.

I know there are loopholes in the regulations are we going to be relying to exploit those holes rather than be proactive in looking for ways to maximize our match day income which is not something a top team would be proud of, a mere 41,000 seat stadium.

Even Arsenal is getting close to £30 million more than us on match day income. I don't know if we need to be worried about the stagnation of dialogue between the CPO and CFC. We need a bigger stadium now than never.

It will be difficult to maintain or consolidate our positions in EPL and Europe with a 41,000 seat stadium if Roman is not willing to release some needed funds like what transpired in the last transfer window when it was very clear to everyone that we need some reinforcement.

Most fans was very frustrated with our transfer activity in January but did will really take time to ask ourselves how we were going to pay for all the big names that everyone was clamouring for?

CEO has a target when he took over to break even which he has done but how do we move forward? All his hard work during the last couple of years would be in vain if CFC to go back to those days with high record loses.

I would think CPO and CFC boards want the best for CFC why it is so difficult for a compromise?




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Writer: jollyheart Torres Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday February 12 2013

Time: 4:53PM

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CPO = " greed incorporated" will be the ones holding Chelsea back. All these idiots , think that just because they hold shares they and only they know whats best for the club. This philosophy is bunkum. Chelsea should have already started the process of buildi Earls Court or Battersea stadium , but because of these idots , we ill be struggling to find an alternative site. CPO make me unspeakaly angry over their selfish stance
Blue_Mel
I think the cpo should just get over it. clearly roman is willing to spend money on a bigger ground and that would significaly secure the financial future of Chelsea FC even after he's gone. I love the bridge an absolute icon of a stadium but unless there is a way to add another 20000 seats I think sooner or later a decision has to be made
suppahigh
I just hope both CPO and Chelsea board could reach an agreement soon. Without a bigger stadium to generate more income, we could be moving towards the Tier-2 team in the future... We had since lost Battersea and Earls court... Hopefully we could build a 65k capacity stadium in West London soon....
DrWatsons
@Dr Watson...I fully agree with you and the writer...a bigger stadium is a must for us...we are now a top club and revenue from a bigger stadium will do us a whole lot of good....I hope we get some swift resolution soon....m relaxed though, it will be sorted one way or the other..the need is pretty obvious.
layorh12
How are CPO holding CFC back? Chelsea need to speak to the council and re develp the Bridge. www.stamfordbridgethetruth.blogspot.co.uk is a site that seems to explain the present circumstances.
Blueheart9
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lovehate83
We will lost the Chelsea name should we decided to play outside SB without consent from CPO. (Correct me if I am wrong)... It will be a disaster for all of us here where our beloved Chelsea could be known as something else...
DrWatsons
If Chelsea wanted Battersea, they have had 9 years to go for it since Roman arrived, its been sitting here empty for that long and more, Earls Court announced that they were moving their operation to Olympia years ago, so why didn`t the club pursue it earlier ? What`s that got to do with CPO shareholders ?
Blueheart9
i think that RA has proven over and over that he loves the club and wants whats best for CFC. I think its about time that the fans of this great club to show him the respect and love that he deserves. Im sure most CFC fans would say that they would pump the amount of money that RA has spent "if they had the money" but RA is the only person putting his money where his mouth is. I personally think its disgusting that there are "fans" out there blocking his plans of building a new stadium. Every time i look at the pictures that CFC released showing what he wanted to do with battersea power station all i can think is we missed out on quite possibly the best looking and most iconic stadium in all of europe if not the world. i think its about time we put the trust in him and allow him to run HIS club and just be happy that he wants whats best for CFC just like all chelsea fans want because the fact of the matter is RA is a fan.
lovehate83
DrWatsons you are not correct. The CPO turned down the oppporunity to release the shares to the club until a suitable location was announced. Not somewhere within a 3 mile radius ONLY UP UNTIL 2020, after that they could re locate us anywhere, as announced by Bruce Buck, who was also implicated in the 250k worth of shares that were purchased prior to the vote, to corrupt the true voting patterns of legitimate shareholders.
Blueheart9
Need a 50k+ ground for income and the fact that nearly every big european club has one...
CFCTalal
My angst in this whole CPO saga was the crass ineptitude of Roman and his advisers ( some whom i believe are from the former dreaded KGB) to see this coming and take ACTIVE MEASURES in a James Bondesque way. They should have seen the difficulties in getting the shares from the greedy unrealistic CPO holders and initiated the surreptitious buying of this shares a long time ago. By the time the vote came up, i would have expected Roman to be sure of his victory and commence building of a new stadium. He fooocked up and now the CPO are acting like the last defence against the invasion of aliens...
Dwonder
*CFCTalal .. we ned 60k+ .. 50k+ is only 8k more than we have already...not worth the effort..we need to at least match the Arsenal stadium
Blue_Mel
@Dwonder can you explain why you think CPO shareholders are greedy ? Are you a shareholder yourself ? Shares are still available to purchase at £100 which will enable you to vote. The same price that they were available at 20 years ago, when I bought mine. I have no connection with any group, other than ensuring that we are not fleeced of our shares and end up sharing a ground with QPR.
Blueheart9
@Blueheart, how are you going to be able to "redevelop the Bridge" to the tune of 50% more capacity? you and CPO are in dreamland .. you all cuckoo
Blue_Mel
I use to be angry like u lot, but sincerely aint we been biased? We need someone that is in the CPO to let us know what is really going on before we bash them, roman himself didn't do himself any favours with his recent antics as it butressed the points of some CPO members who believe he doesn't fancy the tradition of the club, I think roman should do what he can to make them part with their shares and let us move our stadium to a bigger and better place without losing our name or identity, if we can get a 65k or 70k capacity that can make us attain the lofty heights we are pining on attaining
Desmondadonis
@Blue_Mel do you work for the council ? No. Just be patient and all will be revealed.
Blueheart9
oh ? all we be revealed by he council huh ?? you see everyone? only the CPO are the real ones that know whats going on ..lmao...Roman, the owner of the club ..hasnt got a clue....the first clueless billionaire you ever met ..Blueheart knows everything
Blue_Mel
@blue mel, I read at a time that the SB stadium can be extended, but the cost would be enough to build a new stadium, I think in the tune of £350m-£450m if memory serves me right
Desmondadonis
Seriously guys, you can't be blaming the CPO (and I am not a shareholder) for Chelsea losing Battersea or Earls Court, you need to look at the Board. I doubt any of them are experienced in brokering such deals, indeed, i get the feeling they feel someone will approach them with a miracle deal. They need to get their heads out of the sand or RA's backside.
BlueABS
@BlueABs Nice bit of hilarious speculation there .... a billionaire , and his employees no experience in brokering deals??? yeah right !and Im the Queen of England
Blue_Mel
My impression is that if the CFC Board find the right site and actively commence proceedings to get a stadium built and the CPO will happily sell their shares.
BlueABS
@Blue_Mel - Battersea was the perfect solution, but they couldn't get a deal done. Need say no more.
BlueABS
Battersea ? perfect solution ? actually i disagree...my preference was Earls Court...but then i dont have a blocking vote like greedy CPO .. I dont believe my opinion is any more right than another Chelsea fans idea
Blue_Mel
I do know that the club stated several times, that they had `explored EVERY avenue possible, in relation to the expansion of Stamford Bridge`. Although, when questioned, Bruce Buck then admitted that the club infact had NOT submitted any plans whatsoever in the last 10 years Please get yourself a share and get involved. £100 for the club you love.
Blueheart9
For years, both Battersea and Earls Court were available for the club to go for. Why did they not ? And how are CPO shareholders greedy Blue_Mel ?
Blueheart9
How many players have CPO bought since Roman bought the club?
Blue_Mel
How much of a new stadium are they going to be paying for??
Blue_Mel
how much of their wages have CPO paid for?
Blue_Mel
Blue_Mel - Battersea, as someone has said above, could have been one of the most iconic stadiums in the world. It could have been developed whilst still playing at SB. All this talk about exploring the extension of the current stadium, where will Chelsea play for 2-3 years whilst those works go on? Don't get me wrong, SB is 'home' but a new ground in a reasonably close location would soon become a new home. Earls Court was ideal in that respect, but Battersea could have just had that wow factor.
BlueABS
the answer ..is NONE , NONE and NONE!
Blue_Mel
Blue_Mel - if you think RA is going to pay for a new stadium completely out of his own pocket, then you sir, have lost the plot.
BlueABS
@BlueABS can you please tell me how much Roman has paid for the latest of his yachts? I know that Ropman will expect a return from his investment . Who wouldnt ? But his risk! How much of the CPO are going to contribute what they get from the sale of thei shares to the cause? Whether its £100 or 100 times that .I doubt that they will contribute 1p towards the cost of the stadium or development of SB! ..
Blue_Mel
The club tried to buy back each £100 share in Oct 2011, People paid £100 for their shares 20 years prior to that ! It has been mooted that each share has a `marriage` value of up to £60k to someone who wishes to re develop the Bridge and re locate elsewhere (go to www.stamfordbridgethetruth.blogspot.co.uk), an independent site that explains things quite well. No one has asked anything for their shares, people don`t wish to sell them. So how are CPO shareholders being greedy ? It was put to the club that the shares could simply be transferred over to the new stadium when built. But the club flatly refused that. Why ? Buy a share and get involved.
Blueheart9
Actually, I would presume that most or many CPO's are regular game attendees, as such they contribute wholly to the wage bill and running of the Club.
BlueABS
Since i dont know the full details surrounding the whole CPO shareholders and Roman+board dispute i wont come here just speaking on the basis of speculation. We need a larger stadium..that much is obvious..what is needed is for both sides to reach an agreeable compromise without either side trying to brow beat the other side into doing their bidding rather than what is ultimately best for Chelsea FC. When i did get to speak with an acquaintance who is a CPO share holder resident here in the States a few years back he had a very illuminating and interesting take on things that made it clear to me that this impression being painted that the CPO are a bunch of devils holding Chelsea FC ransom and preventing our Santa Claus Roman from building us a new stadium is at best naive and simplistic and possibly very mischevious and disingenious. The two parties need to stop trying to demonize each other and get a deal done.
GabeU
@ Blueheart ..why do CPO think that after Roman has invested somthing ithe order of £1billion already and is ready to invest probaly that much over again including the cost of a new stadiu and new players and their wages) that Roman having bought the club when it was on the verge of going out of business ....owes the CPO a red penny? whether for the current ground or the new one? CPO are onlyiterested in their own financial or power capital . When I see them donating mone for the enhancement of the club then their opinion will count for something alongside Romans
Blue_Mel
I`ve missed 14 games in 45 years. Home, Away, Abroad.
Blueheart9
@Blue_Mel - And with that you completely miss the point of the CPO, and I state again, I am not a shareholder and have no vested interest from that point of view. Try to think of it as protecting their interest in Chelsea FC and not the worth of their particular share. RA will have to do all sorts of deals and partnerships to fund a new stadium, not to mention the equity from releasing the SB site. Ask yourself why won't he accept transference of CPO shares into a new stadium or location?
BlueABS
@BlueABS ...any reason he should?
Blue_Mel
I was here long before the existing board and I`ll be here long after they have passed through. The money that RA has given to the club is in a holding company called FORSTAM, therefore when he sells the club anytime in the future, he is entitled to get his return prior to the club. Which is fine. The CPO shares were bought to protect THE LONG TERM FUTURE OF THE CLUB, not to re imburse an individual, to move a club if it is not required or for any other reason. All CPO shareholders are asking is confirmation that SB can not be redeveloped. That is not the case at present. If the club end up sharing a ground with QPR in 5 years time I`m sure Blue_Mel will be the 1st one to complain. Be careful what you wish for.
Blueheart9
Blue_Mel - Because the CPO were there when he bought the Club, he bought fully cognisant of what they are and what their interest in the Club was / is.
BlueABS
I dont complain about anything except greed and incompetency. Actually SB CAN Be redeveloped.... I can do it...I can squeze an extra seat right next to Romans ..you see it CAN be done..I wil be even willing to PAY for that with MY OWN MONEY ...How many CPO membrs have volunteered that ? But you think my seat will pay for Falcao or Ronaldo ? I doubt it.... If we want to compete with the biggest clubs in Europe , we need a minimum of 60,000 seat stadium and except for Roman buying the surrounding buildings / property I dont see that a 50%+ expansion of SB can be done. Are the CPO volunteering the funds to buy up the extra property?? Nah I doubt it .!
Blue_Mel
I wouldn't mind a stadium similar to celtic park , 60K+ and the atmosphere is crazy!
CFCTalal
Let the Council be the deciders of that along with a self financing plan. Spend your money on a £100 share instead.
Blueheart9
LMFAO AT Blueheart! Interests revealed
Blue_Mel
You`re obviously not aware of the Unigate site on the A4 then.
Blueheart9
Im not concerned with any particular site. Its not my business... I havent invested £1billion into the club. Let the owner build his stadium where he sees fit and is able to. Its not for the CPO to decide where Roman invests HIS money either.
Blue_Mel
You`ve said it all, It`s not your concern. You`re not interested. You`re not interested in having a share either, all you want is Ronaldo and Falcao, so you`re voice is irrelevent mate. Armchair supporter, who wasn`t around when we were rubbish. Every successful club has got them I suppose.
Blueheart9
Im not concerned with any particular site. Its not my business... I havent invested £1billion into the club. Let the owner build his stadium where he sees fit and is able to If i want a say where Roman spends his money ..what would should I do ? buy a share in the club or buy a share in the CPO??? What would a true supporter do
Blue_Mel
and its nice to know that only CPO shareholders are true supporters of the club
Blue_Mel
Where would the CPO be if Roman simply closed down the club? Shares would be worthless
Blue_Mel
@Blue_mel, I like your all points. I am wondering had the CPO holders showed this kind of "concern fans" mentalities when Ken Bates was getting loan left and right to run the club, CFC wouldn't have come too close to the financial mess we found ourselves in during Ken's reign in the 1st place. Yes CPO action then safe guide the future of the club but they didn't mind if it was a championship or non- league team because we were heading towards that direction with the repayment of the Euro bond loan looming us over. They could have taken the same action as some Pompey fans are doing now trying to buy their beloved club but NO they choose to invest on the pitch. Times has changed from a team in a financial mess to a very strong team now rated as the 5th biggest in the world, the fears of CPO when it was founded are not real anymore. My feelings are the CPO are supposed to be the happiest fans out there looking back to how hard they have worked and “sacrifice” to keep the CFC and to see how far we have come, they should be 100% willing participant without dragging their feet’s to moved us to the next level.
jollyheart Torres
@Blue_mel, they know 100% the share will be worthless they are gambling on the fact that it will be a difficult decision for Roman to move without the transfer of the shares. He can as well reduce his spending which would be detrimental to our aspirations. We fans are struggling to accept we are now 3rd in the league out of the CL, are we going to accept a mid table team because we can't generate enough income to compete at the highest level? Man utd were able to dominate the league for a very long time because of their revenue power. We fans might regret this golden opportunities to moved to a bigger stadium if this chance is missed.
jollyheart Torres
@jollyheart Torres...Thanks . I appreciate your opinion and I agree with you
Blue_Mel
@Blueheart9 "If Chelsea wanted Battersea, they have had 9 years to go for it since Roman arrived, its been sitting here empty for that long and more, Earls Court announced that they were moving their operation to Olympia years ago" there was no UEFA FFP or the EPL FFP regulations to restrict how much Roman can spend 9 years ago. So the need for a bigger stadium now is very important to CFC like the coming of Roman was few years ago.
jollyheart Torres
@ Blueheart9 "The CPO turned down the oppporunity to release the shares to the club until a suitable location was announced. Not somewhere within a 3 mile radius ONLY UP UNTIL 2020" So we are stuck with a 41k SB for the next 7 years? That can't be true. It will be very unfair for the CPO holders on VC to come here on match day thread to bash the board for lack of squad depth. CFC board are taking the FFP seriously more than some fans are. for the 1st time since Roman came the overall wages paid out in the year ending June 2012 actually fell by £18m to £171m and the numbers of playing and coaching staff dropped by 89 in 2011 to 69 in 2012 all done to meet the FFP. So what does this tell us?
jollyheart Torres
if roman decided to, couldn't he just move to a different stadium and change the name of chelsea?
lovehate83
the cpo can't be holding the club back since I'm pretty sure the agreed to battersea but it was rejected...
CFCTalal
I know nothing of this matter so please ignore my earlier comment :s
CFCTalal
@jollyheart. Bruce Buck would only give assurances that the club would move within a 3mile radius UP UNTIL 2020, as announced by himself infront of 700 people in Oct 2011. When questioned about what would happen after 2020, he refused to answer. This obviously alarmed many shareholders, along with the 250k worth of shares that were mysteriously illegally purchased 1 week before the vote. Is it any surprise that thousands of shareholders were suspicious. FFP has been on the cards for the last 5 years, the club had ages to make an offer on Battersea if they so wished. Battersea unfortunately was too late and was nothing more than a publicity stunt. Battersea is out, Earls Court is out and that has nothing whatsoever to do with CPO, who just wish to have all avenues explored in relation to whether the Bridge can be enlarged or not. The Council say it can be, but the club will not entertain that option.
Blueheart9
Only one way chelsea fans will understand the Roman's effect...Let Roman stop involving too much into Club's issue including the playing. Let him stop fiinancing the club and should ask the club executives to become self-sustained...If this happens, Chelsea will not see any grand transfers for next 10 years, while we can sell all our stars and buy mediocre players who can establish the club in top 6..We can regularly play in Europa league...So, at that time, we will struggle to fill the 41k capacity at SB, so wont need the new stadium also...
Blu_run
I blame Roman for the spoilt fans this club is having
Blu_run
Let CPO vote against Roman...lets be at SB, after all if Roman stopped showing interest how, god knows how we will become self-sustained and fight for top 4...
Blu_run
tell that to those greed-infested CPO idiots who love money more than they love the club, feigning "protection" when all they want is more "paper action"
@Mq
I don't have the time nor the fluency in English to reason with some of this guys here so.......fu(k the CPO
zosBlue
@ Blu_run totally agreed with all ur comments. A bigger ground would have lay a solid foundation for the next God knows many years to come and the chance might be slipping away with every delay.
jollyheart Torres
@ Blueheart9, the council shouldn't be deciding for us. Were where they when CFC was in a Financial mess? They are just interested according to Nick Botterill from the council "We are proud to be the only borough in the country with three Premier League clubs and we do not want our local businesses and residents to lose out on the economic and social benefits that this brings" That is the main reason they are against us moving that is an undisputed fact.
jollyheart Torres
CPO have not voted against Roman, Stamford Bridge is our ancestrial home and has been for 108 years. it is obvious to all that a larger stadium is required. Ideally SB needs to be enlarged if possible. At this moment the club have not entertained that possibility and refuse to accept the Councils insistance that it can be re developed to over 60k, Why is that ? If it is proven that this utimately can`t be achieved, then relocation is the only option and everyone accepts this. To suggest that CPO shareholders are greedy and holding the club back is insulting and comes from inividuals who are not willing to buy a share and are not aware of the facts. I bought my shares for £100 each when the club was on its knees and it needed fans to help save it from future speculators. I, like many others put my MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS AND SAVED THE CLUB I LOVE, only to be offered about £25 per share in real terms 20 years later, by someone who could possibly and I say possibly, have a marriage value of anything up to 50k per share, if they were obtained and SB was then converted into a housing estate. Nobody actually wants any money back. CPO ACTUALLY OFFERED THE CLUB THE ALTERNATIVE OF SIMPLY TRANSFERING THE SHARES TO THE NEW GROUND, AS OPPOSED TO RECEIVING ANY MONEY, BUT THE CLUB FLATLY REFUSED. Why ? And how is that being greedy or holding the club back ? The CPO was set up to protect the long term interests of CFC and to ask for assurances that this would be the case, is not too much to ask for. Certain individuals on this site, would be the 1st ones to complain, when CFC end up sharing a new purpose built ground with QPR along the A4 and don`t for one moment, believe that would not happen. That route is aleady being pursued.
Blueheart9
The best thing that we can all hope for, is that Stamford Bridge can be re developed, otherwise the whole location and our identity as a club will be lost for ever, purely for financial gain. The club need to stop sittting on their hands and meet with the Council to see if this is possible, for some reason they have refused to do that.
Blueheart9
Interesting comments here. The CPO look like the proverbial "enemies of progress" from where i'm sitting by refusing to show any trust and loyalty to a man who has invested a significant amount of money to bring this club to where it is today. I can relate to the desire of the CPO to have a bit more transparency around the whole thing, but to what end? Hasnt Roman already proved that he loves this club enough?...Lets be clear about one thing Roman changed the landscape of English football forever. in terms of relativity, the value of the CPO shares is peanuts compared to RA's investment and it would appear that the 30% or so (i believe the majority of members voted in RA's favour) of CPO members are angling for a good return on their £100 investment rather than doing the best thing for CFC. We DON'T need a CPO, i dont know how many other clubs have this sort of excuse of an arrangement as a stumbling block that seriously undermines their ability to progress and develop. Like someone said earlier, this CPO is a dinosaur that is threatening the future of CFC and unless they pull their finger out and do the right unselfish thing, they will have history come back to bite them in the derrierre when things go awry on the ground development front. They are just giving the board an excuse not to do anything. They will be the reason that Chelsea never became a big European club because of their "greed". Good luck dealing with that tag and carrying that weight on your shoulders in future guys...
JohnnyOz
RA has loaned the club the money, he has not given it to the club. When he sells he has 1st entitlement to his return, prior to the club. No CPO shareholder wants any money for their shares, which was proven when putting the offer to the club to just by simply transfering their shares to the future ground. (so that no future speculator could demoish the `new` ground for financial gain). This was refused by the club. The 30% or so that voted for the club, was inclusive of the 250k illegal shares that were purchased to corrupt the vote, that they still refuse to ringfence. Clubs in Germany have supporter representation on their boards. The Premier League has implemented that this will be the case for each club in the PL shortly. CPO shareholders (not the board) are the only party trying to find a solution to the problem, the club want to re develop SB into a housing estate and re locate elsewhere without exploring the opportunity of enlarging the Bridge, that the Council insist is possible. So how does that make CPO shareholders greedy ?
Blueheart9
I don't really know what is going on about the CPO, but blueheart made some valid claims which I think is fair, but as I don't know the mind of roman and his stance, I can't really say much about this as I have said earlier
Desmondadonis
@Blueheart9, why would Roman hurt the future of a club in to which he invested a billion pounds?
zosBlue
I am sure that theres a lot more to this issue than we all know....@Blueheart argues persuasively to be honest...I must admit m not privy to any first hand information here...but I do hope there will be a swift resolution pretty soon....we desperately need a bigger stadium..
layorh12
Blue_Mel, you completely misunderstand the CPO position. If Chelsea were actually building a 60,000 seater stadium in Battersea or Earls Court I am 99% certain the CPO would agree to sell the shares. They want to make sure Chelsea don't end up playing outside the M25 at Guildford or something awful like that. Because the thing you have to understand about most of the CPO holders they love Chelsea. That is, they will follow Chelsea to Munich in the Champions League Final or Bradford in the 2nd Division. Whilst they want Chelsea to be successful if it all ends tomorrow and they end up like Derby County or Aston Villa they will still be there. They'll buy their season tickets, go to the pub before and after the match, sing songs, have a laugh. Football to them, and me, is about community and shared joy and despair. It is about the history of the club, it is about the pubs you go to and most of all making sure your club survives no matter what. Stamford Bridge is probably sitting on the most prime real estate in world football. There is not a property developer in London wouldn't want to get his hands on it and many wouldn't care if Chelsea ended up homeless. The CPO care, and are protecting Chelsea FC for all time. Roman might not be about forever.
CobhamBlue
it surprises me that we keep mentioning the COUNCIL wants us to stay and the COUNCIL thinks is possible to enlarge SB. They are doing whatever it's take to protect the business stability of the area and NOT that of CFC. Why are we not looking after ourselves when it's very obvious that the COUNCIL IS ONLY OUT TO PROTECT THEIR INTEREST. This is the link to the presentation made to the CPO about the issues facing Chelsea with redeveloping Stamford Bridge. http://www.easternblues.co.uk/index/index.php/articles/42-redeveloping-the-bridge
jollyheart Torres
@CobhamBlue, you don't have to go over and over on how loyal CPO members are toward chelsea. we've established that much already. now the question is why would anyone not trust RA with the clubs future? hasn't he done enough to earn the fan's trust? you've mentioned the danger in leaving SB, but how about the clubs prospect when it comes to competing at the highest level after FFP comes to action?
zosBlue
@Blueheart9 "RA has loaned the club the money, he has not given it to the club" interest are paid on loans are we servicing these loans? of course NO. so don't call it a loan.
jollyheart Torres
RA hasnt loaned any money to CFC; for accounting purposes ...our balance sheet is debt free, He has converted the debt into capital which means that he is fully liable for any changes in the valuation of the club until point of sale. Even if he was forced into a sale at any point, it is very unlikely that any investor will pay that amount of money for cfc especially as any new owner coming in will need to run the club at a profit whilst maintaining a top four position. In these days of FFP, this is not an enviable task for anyone looking to keep chelsea in the upper classes of European football especially as this new investor will have to pay RA circa £1.5B. Considering that Manure (with 80k ground capacity and vastly more history than cfc) is only valued at circa £500M, i dont see how RA can ever expect to recoup his money from selling cfc, esp in this current climate, and with his investments in the club increasing season on season...#realitycheck It is clear to me from the post homous arrangements that RA has already for chelsea that he is not looking to sell the club on but i'm sure there are some very optimistic cfc fans out there who believe their club deserve better than what we have atm...
JohnnyOz
why are we looking at our financially buoyant neighbour ARSENAL? Their fans would always remember Highbury but the future of the team was more important than the past. I remember Arsenal selling the playing field as souvenir to the fans. All are rivals are planing for expansion we are here shooting ourselves in the foot.
jollyheart Torres
Also the CPO vote results were 62% for Roman and moving away from SB, 38% against. and they needed a 75% majority to go ahead. from that result, It is clear the majority of cfc are willing to entrust the future of cfc into RA's hands...i think he may have earned that trust!
JohnnyOz
TYPO again***** I meant to say Why are we not looking at our financially buoyant neighbour ARSENAL? *******
jollyheart Torres
When everybody comes on board at chelsea, we aill move to the right direction, though am sure we can get whatever we want if we plan openly
Kendemsblue
These ideas needs to be discussed and agreed upon
Kendemsblue
@JohnnyOz, The result of the votes clearly show the majority are wise enough to trust Roman on this issue.
jollyheart Torres
The votes were inclusive of 250k worth of illegally bought shares 1 week prior to the vote, purely to corrupt he vote.
Blueheart9
zosBlue, Roman will not live forever. Nobody knows what will happen after he is gone. The CPO are making sure Chelsea FC get the best possible outcome if they move stadium. To give up the CPO without a new stadium could lead us back to the bad old days of property developers trying to force Chelsea out to cheaper land beyond Heathrow. If the result of the CPO holding out for the best deal means Chelsea can no longer challenge for the Champions League, so be it. We'll always have Munich. If you don't agree with the CPO stance buy shares and vote for change.
CobhamBlue
IF CPO members are only interested that the sal eof SB goes ahead if it can be shown that SB cant expanded to the desired level.....why does CPO members need the same privelege extended to them with the new ground (if we ever get one due to the delays involved ) ? Why is it Arsenal fans and Spurs fans dont need a similar organisation to protect their ground from Mr Levys greedy plans? Why does thes "set up" need to go on aad infnitum for all of Chelseas new grounds? Its plain to see that CPO are only interested in either financial gain or they are power hungry to have a say over and above any other fans or the investment of te clubs owner wh has invested massively in the club and its future or dare I say it ---BOTH
Blue_Mel
"If the result of the CPO holding out for the best deal means Chelsea can no longer challenge for the Champions League, so be it. We'll always have Munich." WOW...I hope the majority of progressive/hungry fans on this forum, world over do not agree with that sentiment because i certainly don't... my interpretation of that statement is roughly "i am happy that cfc have won the UCL once and happy for us to return to the days of mid table/2nd division mediocrity as long as we keep our beloved Stamford Bridge" therein lies our biggest problem, ladies and gents...
JohnnyOz
West London is and always will be a potential development hot spot for any future housing plans. Who knows what the next 100 years brings. Ask Man U and Liverpool fans if they envy the CPO or not.
Blueheart9
Blueheart...what do you consider priority in London ..housing or a football stadium? London has a growing population all in need of affordable housing If the Council or any other developer wanted to build housing I would NOT have an issue with it. I would even applaud it. I dont see that a football stadium has priority of peoples housing...do you ?
Blue_Mel
From what I have read here, I can come to a few conlusion either rightly or wrong, the CPO don't want their livelyhood to go up in smoke if they move SB, (2) They don't want a situation where chelsea might become a souless club if roman decides to sell or if he is gone (due to old age), they want a say for the club they've supported all their lives so it won't go to obscurity... Then those who are against the CPO believe roman is here to stay and is not profit oriented hence his unabashed way of pumping innumerable funds to the club, the thinking is why won't u trust a man that have spent 1.5 billion of his wealth on chelsea. I see where this peeps are coming from too. But I don't know what to make of this points or who to believe as for me, both have good points I credit the CPO for their foresight, I credit those that are for roman for their rational thinking, but seriously I even more confused than ever.
Desmondadonis
Wrongly, more confused* sorry about the typos
Desmondadonis
CPO is not holding out for any deal. All they are asking is whether the Bridge can be expanded, or not. All Chelsea fans deserve an answer to that simple question. So I ask Bruce Buck, Ron Gourlay or Roman himself to inform us of why this is not the case. This question was asked 15 months ago, yet still no reply.
Blueheart9
Blueheart..throw enough money at something...anything can be done.... you know hat , i know that , Roman knows that ....its a silly question. Question is how much money are CPO going to throw at it ?
Blue_Mel
Blue_Mel, so if you don't think the council will agree to a new stadium in west London then surely the CPO are right not to sell their shares? If you live in America, Australia or anywhere overseas it doesn't really matter where the Chelsea stadium is. If you are a season ticket holder it is really important that the stadium is in west london and reasonably close to the existing ground. Chelsea season ticket holders want to win the league and cups but not at the risk of the club losing the stadium and ending up playing out in Surrey.
CobhamBlue
I think they've indicated that this redevloping the SB site is not financially viable for any number of reasons..see link 1 Link 2 details our captains passionate pleas around this issue http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/buck-admits-chelsea-still-exploring-stadium-options-3635231 http://qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=print&thread=26947
JohnnyOz
Put enough money into Dagenham & Redbridge , they will get into the top 4 ...easy peasy ......ring any bells?
Blue_Mel
CPO = season ticket holders PLC? lmao
Blue_Mel
Im saying that just like the CPO, the council arent interested in football...they are interested in what they get out of having Chelsea within their boundaries....end of. Would the council give a flying f*k if we were talking about some 4th division club? The main concern for Chelsea should be whether we get a new ground and how soon. Im not saying the whereabouts dosnt matter , but its secondary to the fact that Chelsea actually gets one -- NOW - when its needed...not 2 or 3 years down the line when weve slipped out of the top 4 because other clubs have invested in the club and its income streams
Blue_Mel
Funny to hear we might lose the soul or identities of the club if we move. Has Arsenal and Bayer Munich lost their souls or identities? Developers are only after the weak and vulnerable teams, Teams with high debt and struggling to sustain the repayment like we were few years ago that was exactly the main reason why CPO was founded. We are now in a stronger financial position in our history and all we need now is to consolidate that position. I remember Arsenal quest for more match day revenue took them to play 2 seasons of champions league games at Wembley that shows how important these avenue of generating extra income are to the stabilities of a team. We have been ever present in the CL in the last 10 years imagine the income that would generated playing in a 60k stadium? Last season we averaged 37k in 6 CL games played at SB, that came in at the 14th place of all the 32 teams. CPO are super greedy.
jollyheart Torres
@ Cobham Blue...For those that can afford a Chelsea season ticket...would a trip to Surrey (at the utter extreme) be much of an added extra expense??? And are there not perhaps Chelsea faans that live in Surrey would find the prospect just attractive at havng their club on THEIR doorstep as the current season ticket holders allegedly do??? you see , it seems CPO arent as interested in the welfare of Chelsea ...but perhaps moreso than their how much their own pockets are lined with readies!!!!
Blue_Mel
Blue_Mel, the location of the new stadium is not secondary it is of the utmost importance. We have a stadium that holds 42,000. We would all like it to be bigger but it is not tiny. Juventus are dominating Italian football and doing very well in Europe. They have just built a new stadium which holds 42,000. They believe they can compete in Europe at 42,000 so I don't see why Chelsea can't. And anyway I believe Stamford Bridge can be increased to just over 50,000, which I believe is more than big enough. With the prices Chelsea charge 50,000 at Chelsea is like 70,000 at Liverpool or Man City.
CobhamBlue
Juventus dominating the Italian league??? maybe so (temporaily), but where would they be in the BPL?
Blue_Mel
So Cobham you would have been ok with Chelsea moving to Battersea for the sake of 8000 new seats rather than another 20000?
Blue_Mel
I disagree that 50k is enough..not nearly enough i we are going to compete with Arsenal , ManUre , City and Spurs way into the future under the new rules. If we are to stay competitive and in the top 4 and even to say more - self sustainable , we need at least 60,000! Possibly more
Blue_Mel
@CobhamBlue you are absolutely right, unfortunately on this site we have certain individuals who don`t live in the UK, so it does not matter to them where we play, I understand that. But to the fans in the UK it does matter. All CPO members are asking for, is whether SB can be redeveloped or not. That is surely not too much to ask. To tell me, that I am a CPO shareholder and I am in it to make money is not only stupid, but insulting. So go and buy a share Blue_Mel and start to understand things, or go and support someone else, supporting a club is about following them through thick and thin, not just turning on your telly and having a hissy fit if we don`t win 3 cups every year. I will be in Prague 2moro, where will you be ?
Blueheart9
This issue is deeper and more complicated than we come here to rant...The Club/board first impression and approach to our relocation was the biggest flop and basically responsible for the halt in the relocation debacle. Probably many of the recent generation don't understand the history of stamford Bridge. Stamford Bridge is Chelsea FC,Starmford bridge is a huge part of the clubs history. How many football clubs were born due to their stadiums? Buck and his gang tried to force a move on CPO members instead of siting in a round table and coming to a reasonable conclusion for both parties. A solid plan wasn't put forward and answers to certain questions left more questions unanswered rather than calming nerves. The illegal dealings to buy shares from members and strike the 75% vote left CPO members more agitated at the disrespect and corruption shown by the Club & Board. Not to mention the time the meeting was scheduled to be held, 11.30am UK time on a thursday when most members will be tied up at work. Yes we want to beat the FFP and a bigger sits guarantees that,but you can beat FFP in various ways,and can increase revenue financially. We still pay outrageous sums of money for signings and wages rather than beating down fees. I understand the Club stand point but the approach was dead wrong and it still is.
nelyvanile
Blueheart..Im gladyou can afford that ticket to Prague .. and you are happy to deny people living in London the opportunity of housing..Im happy tat despitebeing abl to afford to go to Prague , visiting the stadium if it was in Surrey would be a problem for you ! Hypocrit!.. Why is the location of the stadium so important to you if its only so you dont have to pay travel coststo the stadium every week . and IM not outside the UK....so before you make accusations start doing some research . ANd if i was able to invest in the club I wouod do so by buying shares from Roman , not some selfish greedy season ticket holders.... GET REAL!
Blue_Mel
Well i know CPO members who only care for cfc to be competitive going forward and who have already cast their vote supporting in favour of the boards plans. I only wish that when the rules were set, the vote required was set at 51% not this ridiculous 75% because the reality of the matter is that even in real life you never really get people to overwhelmingly agree to that level. 75%? in which fairy tale?...that is the problem i think.. As such i really fear for any sort of CFC stadium move unless this threshold issue is addressed. There will always be dissidents, doubters, haters and envious folks. This group of people in all likelihood will continue to make up 1 out of every 4 people and will make it difficult to achieve 75% no matter what the board do...
JohnnyOz
Blue_Mel I follow my club over land and sea, like many others that is my choice. If you are an armchair supporter that is your choice. You obviously don`t understand the complex issues in relation to the CPO and I don`t wish to waste my time responding to someone who can`t even be bothered to understand the facts. See you in Prague.
Blueheart9
@JohnnyOz u are spot on the ridiculous 75% needed to win the votes.
jollyheart Torres
Blue_Mel If you ever come to London, get the Disrict line (thats the green one) and get off at FULHAM BROADWAY, Chelsea play in Blue, so just follow the fans in Blue scarves. as you leave the station, you will arrive onto the FULHAM ROAD, turn to your LEFT and walk about 200 yards (oops sory metres) and you will see the back of a big stand, that is the WEST STAND. Walk a little bit further and you will see the next entrance, where you will see the MEGA STORE, where you can buy a bobble hat. Buy your hat, then go home.
Blueheart9
Thanks Jolly - it is so true though...51% will normally carry the vote in most board rooms
JohnnyOz
Blueheart...that research i asked you to do....wouldnt be too difficult.... I wouldnt even describe as complex...as my location is openly displayed in the forum.. so i dont know how you get the impression Im not in the UK....Blue hearts posts are ample enough to show how arrogant and self serving they are. Only those that can afford to travel the world support the club are the only ones who deserve to have their voice heard they are the only ones who know anything. Yet travelling to Surrey or anywhere else within London would be a problem for them . Arrogance , selfishness beyond belief.
Blue_Mel
Blue_Mel, you really are embarrassing yourself. If you know absolutely nothing about something and are not prepared to listen to someone articulate who is prepared to patiently explain it all to you, then you totally invalidate your 'opinion'. So now you stoop to such ridiculous levels as to accuse Blueheart9 of denying people living in London the opportunity of housing, for goodness sake. I bet he rips the head of kittens too just for kicks and traffics children into the sex trade in his spare time. I am not a CPO shareholder but I sympathise entirely with their position. That must make me greedy right, yet I do not even have a share and stand to gain nothing so how does that work? I have gone through it so many times before but some people just won't listen to reason or understand the basic facts so I shalln't be bothering again and my advice to Blueheart9 would most definitely be to save his breath.
SpanishBlue
There's actually no point dragging this as many of you don't really understand the levels the club went to get those 61% buy buying people and the corruption displayed. Ill leave it at that... Things will unravel with time.
nelyvanile
Blue_Mel, Are you kidding about Juventus??? I don't like to take a dig at my own team but didn't Juventus slaughter Chelsea 3-0 a few months ago? It is hard to believe if they were playing in England they would be any lower than 2nd in the table and maybe even top.
CobhamBlue
@JohnnyOz, Jollyheart the % are in line with company laws set out within Ltd Company Law, which is dependent on the structure of how the Company was set up originally and whether they are special resolutions or not.
Blueheart9
Blue_Mel, If Chelsea move to Battersea it obviously makes sense to build the stadium as large as possible - within reason - so I'd have gone for 60,000. However I'm not sure Chelsea would fill 60,000 every week and I wouldn't want to see lots of empty seats. My long preferred option is to knock down Ken Bates infamous "Chelsea Village" - which would not be without its problems - and build a much bigger Shed End to bring the capacity up to 50,000. Our crowds wouldn't be as large but I'm pretty certain it would be a lot less expensive than building a brand new stadium. Tradition matters in sport. Why do you think Chicago Cubs play at Wrigley Field or Boston Red Sox at Fenway Park?
CobhamBlue
I am saying that clinging to the idea that we shoudl stay at SB for the sake of Chelsea history , when better sites are obviously available , and allowing the SB site to be redevloped eiher as housing or whatever else is standing in the way of progress and allowing the people of London more places to live for the sake of travel costs should the stadium be elsewhere is disgusting IMHO. Especially coming from people that can afford to travel the world. Its plain and clear that having a pathetic question " Can SB be expanded ?" standing in the way of a yes vote when as Ive said earlier the answer is obvious! Of course it can...anything can be done if you throw enough money at it ! IF CPO want to stay wher we are at SB...so be it ...but how much are THEY going to contribute? Blueheart with is ability to travel to Prague wont offer Roman £1 towards redeveloping SB even as a share of the club. Where is his passion for progress? This sickening question about whether SB can develoed is simply a cover for their own desire to have the clubs stadium stay where it is. OR as has been rvealed they ant the same power over all subsequent stadia . This also reveals where their hearts are. The CPO shares were sold at nominal valueat a time where the club might go under and teh property be "stolen" for redevelopment. This is clearly not the case now. IF after Roman has invested so much in the club if he was to make a profit from the property , has he not earned it ?
Blue_Mel
As far as tradition is concerned ...maybe Manchester United should have stayed as Newton Heath Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Football Club?
Blue_Mel
Blue_Mel, If better sites were available then I'm pretty certain the CPO would sell. No better sites ARE available. If Chelsea built a stadium at Battersea Power Station I am sure the CPO would sell. But Chelsea failed in their bid for the Power Station and said if they couldn't find a decent sites in West London by 2020 they might move out to Heathrow or Surrey or anywhere. If you are a season ticket holder, Chelsea is more than just the 90 minutes on the pitch. It's the couple of hours before in the pub, it's the debrief after the match in the pub. It's walking down the Kings Road or Fulham Broadway. Chelsea supporters don't want to watch Chelsea in an industrial park next to Heathrow. If that means only winning a League Cup every 10 years then it's a price worth paying. For some Chelsea supporters one of the best matches they have been at for years was Brentford away. The performance was dreadful but the atmosphere in the small terraced ground was fantastic. That's what football is all about.
CobhamBlue
I think the way to solve this problem is to extend the capacity of the bridge to perhaps 60,000, if we can do that, I think it would solve this impasse, if roman is concerned about the amount (which I doubt) then the CPO and well wishers can contribute their quotas, looking at the way u guys are at eachother in this thread, it is obvious that if it is an open forum with roman and his advisers in one side and the CPO in the other side, the neutrals would still be confused and the impasse would still be there, why can't both parties do what is best for the club they obviously love dearly, why is chelsea so plagued with controversies?
Desmondadonis
If what is in this link is true, then I think some of us here is not getting the point, I think this link shows the stand of the CPOs, with what buck have said here, I don't see how the CPOs are greedy, I couldn't open the 2nd link so I can't talk about that www.tribalfootball.com/articles/buck-admits-chelsea-still-exploring-stadium-options-3635231
Desmondadonis
Wow I'm totally shocked by how this character blue mel is talking about the CPO! Greedy? These are people who have give there hard earned cash to help save the club and have to remember when they bought these shares £100 was like £1,000 now! And these are people who are not rich and have stupid amounts of money. These are fans who have been giving CFC there hard earned money year after year after year for season tickets and away games to give the players and club there support! And when the bought the shares of the pitch they were saving the club from totally going under and not actually being a football club anymore! Then we get these fans now a days who moan when the CPO are worried about what the new owner is wanting to do and isn't transparent about it all and even tries to buy shares on the sly through a third party to try and force the CPO to lose the vote! That is wrong and this is why it has all came to a head as roman and his advisors thought they could railroad the normal fans and just take what they wanted. He now realises he can't as even though he is the owner and the benefactor it isn't his club it is the fans club. When he goes yet and me will still be there through thick and thin either that be in the premiere league or division 2! Think peopl who haven't been around supporting Chelsea when the CPO helped saved the in need to respect what they have done and what they are trying to do.
Dave-David
Dave ... if i go to a supermarket every day for the whole of my life and spend money there ..does that entitle me to tell them where they can build another branch ?
Blue_Mel
I go to a supermarket to buy groceries . I get my groceries and pays my money for them , then i leave. Fans go to football match they pay forthir ticket , thy get their football match , their entertainment , their , chat and drink - before and after the match the cameraderie with other fans , they leave the ground and go home...why do this think this entitles them to tell the owner whether they can close the ground and rebuild somewhee else and dictate as to whether they approve or not?
Blue_Mel
apologies for my typos
Blue_Mel
If I pay for an airline ticket , does that give me the right to tell the pilot which route to take?...whether I approve of the way he flies the plane? dont think so
Blue_Mel
Blue_Mel, If you own an airport it allows you to say that certain planes can't land at your airport. The CPO have the right to prevent Chelsea leaving Stamford Bridge because they purchased the rights to the pitch and the name Chelsea Football Club. If you own the name "Waitrose" or "Tesco" you would have the right to say when the name can and cannot be used.
CobhamBlue
But thats all...YOu expect them to be rational and not hinder the clubs devlopment for the sake of a pathetic question over "Can SB be expanded"? This shows their real agenda ! Not the welfare of the club ! I wouldnt be surprised if Roman just left them with the pitch , moved the club and slightly modified the Clubs name! HE has the clubs future at heart! I would just leave CPO with worthless bits of paper and laugh at them
Blue_Mel
Newton Heath became Man Utd...Chelsea can become something else...nothing lost!
Blue_Mel
anyway ive said enough. everything will come out in the wash ... if and when the new stadium gets off the ground . all will be revealed. Its going to be useless arguing until the issue gets moving. Lets see what the CP want for their shares if and when they eventualy agree to sell
Blue_Mel
We are stuck left right and centre, literally. The shareholders are a serious obstacle. I don't see us moving to another venue any time soon. So all the suggestions are mere wishful thinking.
Blue Day
Being able to attend every Chelsea game is not a "sacrifice" you make for the club and milk it every now and then to assert your point here at VC, its a privilege you get for living in the UK.
zosBlue
It’s very important for some people to familiarise with how CPO came about. It was the then club chairman Ken Bates who set up the CPO and it was Chelsea Village PLC who lent CPO the funds to purchase the freehold of the site on soft terms, and in exchange CPO granted the 199-year lease to CFC at a peppercorn rent. It is worth pointing out that if this variation had not taken place in 1997, the original option would expire on 1st December 2012, and CPO would be wound up with the funds raised being returned to investors at par. In reality provided CPO uses 'reasonable endeavours' to repay the loan, the loan can run for 199 years. Selling shares is the most efficient way for CPO to use reasonable endeavours to repay the soft loan. The concept that any third party could lend CPO £9.5m to repay CFC plc is questionable. CPO has virtually no income and certainly could not service a loan of that scale. The asset (i.e. Stamford Bridge), subject to the CFC lease, is worthless. All this arrangement was done in good faith with the sole reason of not letting the banks/developers to bully us to sell the ground. BUT IT WAS NOT DESIGNED TO HINDER OUR OWN PROGRESS. The current impasse is purely greed
jollyheart Torres
Greed indeed. The present site if sold is valued at 900m, if developed by a wealthy individual could give a return of anything up to 1.8b. A new ground should be approx 500m. So where does the other 1.3b go ? food for thought. Greed indead or even a possible motive. Return with interest all in one swoop. But that is only from a business mans persective of course.
Blueheart9
Greed indeed. The present site if sold is valued at 900m, if developed by a wealthy individual it could give a return of anything up to 1.8b. A new ground should be approx 500m. So where does the other 1.3b go ? food for thought. Greed indeed or even a possible motive ? Return with interest all in one swoop. But that is only from a business mans persectve of course.
Blueheart9
Blueheart... can you please tell me how much Roman has paid or the club and invested in it up to this point ? and match that with how much you have invested in it ?
Blue_Mel
a waelthy indivudual ??? interesting concept ... you mean like Roman Abramovich? someone who put their hand in their own pocket to save the club??? as opposed to someone like you who when the club was in dire straights couldnt afford to buy the club to save it . But unfortunately unlike me , you are a "wealthy indivual" enough to be able to go to Prague nd many other places in support of your beloved club...but when it comes to supporting its progress in getting bigger stadium you as a wealthy individual are expecting Roman Abramovitch another individual to put his hand in his pocket again to expand the current stadium at vast expense because of the difficulties associtaed with its location rather than get a comletely new one that can be built and designed according to the clubs requirements....I really find this notion of a "wealthy individual" quite interesting... How does it feel to be "wealthy" blueheart?
Blue_Mel
@blue mel if I owned the free hold of the floor where the supermarket was YES I would! The CPO OWN THE FREEHOLD OF THE PITCH roman owns the club he doesn't own the pitch. So if you owned a garage on a estate and the owners said right we are knocking the whole thin down but you didn't want to you would just say yes? Doubt it
Dave-David
Blue_Meltdown. I have supported CFC for 45 years in which I have only missed 14 games, home, away, abroad (in Prague right now), I was following the club 36 years BEFORE Roman Abramovich arrived at Chelsea. I was in Tromso in the snow, Moscow in the rain, Norwich in the fog, Tokyo in December. Not to mention when we almost slipped into the 3rd division at Bolton, summer tours to the USA twice and Asia. I have been a season ticket holder for all those years as well as being an away season ticket holder, I am also on the away European scheme. Over the 45 years I have pumped in thousands and thousands of pounds of my own money, into the club that I love, not to mention the travelling. I don`t ever want a penny back, because every last penny has been worth it. In fact I have put more of my disposable income into the club than Abramovich has. Yet he will get all his money back, when he sells the club, or moves it from Stamford Bridge. I don`t care whether we play in the 3rd division. I WILL BE THERE, as opposed to some individuals who don`t know where Stamford Bridge is, don`t care where we play, won`t put £100 for a share and expects me and others like me, along with Roman Abramovich to fund his club for him, so that he can sit at home in front of his telly, spouting of about things he knows nothing about. Other clubs have criticised us for having plastic fans and boy have we got one here called Blue_Meltdown.
Blueheart9
As one Chelsea fan to another ...I really hope you have anenjoyabl time in Prague suporting your club ....But just dont believe that its necessary to be a "wealthy individua" to not be called "an armchair supporter" ..so get yourself some humility and remember that not everyone , not every Chelsea supporter is as wealthy as you.. and nor is it necessary to be so
Blue_Mel
oh by the way ..just to educate you ..as an all knowing all wealthy fan , you might want be informed that I dont even have a TV! ..so you might just want to apologise
Blue_Mel
Not surprised, you`re obviously too thick to be able to plug it in.
Blueheart9
Blueheart...if you are an example of what qualifies someone to be a Chelsea fan alongside the character who did the monkey impression --if you arent one and the same - I hereby renounce being Chelsea fan
Blue_Mel
Blue_Meltdown . . Don`t kid yourself, you weren`t one in the 1st place. See Ya.
Blueheart9
Bluehearts definition of a chelsea fan....have a massive wallet , have a passport , be prepared to use it at every given opportunity regardless of other commitments ....oh and expect the owner to come up with all necessary funds to suit what I* want the club to do...while i sit back and spend my money in the pub , before and after every match ..getting pi**ed . . If thats a Chelsea fan....keep it ..your right , i never was one....never will be .. But Im a different kind , one with a pure clean blue heart ... not one that will insult other fans where theres been no provocation. YOu display your attitude , you display your heart quite clearly . I pity you
Blue_Mel
@ Blue_Mel - interesting stuff...i wouldnt take these too personally mate or the people on here will really get to you... Leadership qualities involve taking responsibility rather than blame throwing and trying to actually provide the way out of situations, not sitting there saying the board shouldnt have appointed this person or that or done this or that (all in hindsight of course lol).... Good leadership is recognising the efforts made by the board so far realising they havent worked and proposing ways going forward to resolve whatever issues there are. Very few people exhibit those qualities in the way they structure their thoughts in writing, and in their actions...and the whole world would be a better place if people took more individual responsibility.
JohnnyOz
@JohnnyOz, thanks for the support.. Ive had much abuse during my life . Blueheart dosnt come anywhere near even raising an eyebrow , let alone my blood pressure
Blue_Mel
@Blueheart9 correct me if I am wrong. Who initiated founding the CPO and loans the soft to CPO? This was done because Ken Bates realised the bubbles was going to burst and the arrangement was a decoy way to keep the developers who would surely come prying for the land away. This is a common practice these days. Quinn direct owner did exactly the same, With special arrangement "sold" all his valuable property to families to prevent the debtors to seize them. Imagine him going back to those people he had special arrangement with and his given conditions before getting those property back. That is why I keep saying the arrangement was done in good faith only as a decoy and it shouldn't be a hindrance to our future goals. Enjoy the game in Prague.
jollyheart Torres
jollyheart.... you noticed that blueheart hasnt replied to your point? I doubt you will get a rational answer
Blue_Mel
@jollyheart. Ken Bates set up the CPO to protect the club from ever being asset stripped in the future once he had gone. The problem we have at CFC is that the land that we sit on, is arguably the most expensive potential real estate, in which any football stadia sits upon in the world, owing to its location. Roman Abramovich is the best thing that ever happened to our club, there is no doubt about that. But he is only passing through. All the CPO members are aking for is clarification from both the council and the club that SB can not be redeveloped to match the clubs ambitions. The CPO have waited 16 months for that, but still THE CLUB refuse to deal with this issue and are only interested in re location. But to where ? The council have stated that the site can easily be enlarged. So why are the club not interested in pursuing this option ? Is it because there is massive money to be made by selling Stamford Bridge ? I hope not, but it could be. This is exactly why CPO was set up, regardless of how much a new owner might have put in on players. What happens if RA obtained the shares and then sold the club to somene else in the next day ? Who are they, what is to stop them bulldozing the whole lot down and making the club homeless, because the land is worth more than the club itself. We might all trust Roman, but what happens in the future ? Asking for clarification isn`t too much to ask for. Thousands of CPO shareholders can`t all be wrong.
Blueheart9
Thousands of CPO sharholders cant be wrong???? Im telling you right now blueheart...billions of atheists are wrong...but I am not going to stop you being one if thats what you want
Blue_Mel
rich inividuals ...hmm let me see, take for example the owner of mancheter city , instead of buying players and new stadium and plugging in £400million investment to the club over the next 10 yrs , why dosnt he just by the ground tha the stadium is on and build umm lets see , sow about some houses? or a multibillion dollar business conference centre ? or British equivalent of the twin towers ? Nah i guess he wants a football club instead ..oh and this certain rich individual makes Roman look like a pauper.!
Blue_Mel
Thousans of CPO sharehlders cant be wrong??? How about those who voted yes to the sale of the shares??? you know..those who were in the majority.... guess those thousands were in the wrong too huh ???
Blue_Mel
Checkout Piazons verdict on the fans here . He says the La Liga fans are warmer....I wonder if hes met Blueheart on his travels. http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1340011?cc=5739
Blue_Mel
@Blueheart9 This link confirmed the board has made a presentation made to the CPO about the issues facing Chelsea with redeveloping Stamford Bridge. http://www.easternblues.co.uk/index/index.php/articles/42-redeveloping-the-bridge. Then there should be plan B.
jollyheart Torres
Well whatever anybody says in here be it blueheart or blue_mel, it won't change the fact that we are in a quagmire, this issue won't be resolved with ur wits and banter here, it is best both parties do what is best for the club and soon!!! Do I want a bigger stadium of perhaps 70k (can we ever fill that?) Yes I want that, do I want roman or his son to sell chelsea off in the next 70years to an unknown person that my ruin the club? Capital NO!! May the side who have the real interest of the club at heart win this power struggle.
Desmondadonis
I meant ruin my club rather, Sorry about the typo*
Desmondadonis
@jollyheart, that article is exhausting... What a read!!! With what I read there then I think we need to build a new stadium, except there is another viable option.
Desmondadonis
Hi jollyheart. The club made a presentation to the CPO board, (not the HF Council) stating that SB could not be redeveloped, based on expense, lack of egress and other unforseen obsticles. The Council have since dismissed this as utter nonsence. Hence the stalemate. The genaral opinion is that the Council would have more awareness to what can or can not be done on the site, as opposed to a company based in the USA, who just happen to have a Brandon Buck (son of Bruce) working for them, who was allegedly implicated in being associated with the illegal 250k shares purchased.
Blueheart9
problems problems problems, the bridge is said to be unviable to develop earls court and battersea are sold to other developers solutions anyone,anyone!
herefordchelsea
Share with QPR at a new purpose built stadium along the A4 at the Unigate site. . . . . watch this space.
Blueheart9
 

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