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Time for a Change

I know full well as I write this article I am going to be condemned by most, in fact I feel sick as I write such a thing but when is enough, enough?

Now I look at all the managers we have had since the Special One departed Grant, Scolari, Hiddink, Carlo, AVB, RDM and Benitez, now they all have had their flaws (excuse Hiddink) but can all these managers be failures or is there something darker within the shadows of Stamford Bridge.

I look week after week and the senior players always have something to say to the press. And it is always one of Cech, Terry, Mikel and not so much, but occasionally, Lamps.

They inform the media of this and that, oh we are happy, we are all pulling together but things are starting to add up that this is not the case and if they don't want to work for a manager, or sense he is on the way out, time and time again they don't step up and shift all blame towards the man in charge.

You only have to read Cech's comment about how results had improved for weeks following RDM`s sacking. Now if the 'Special One' returns his character is so powerful and strong these players will have little influence, but if he is not returning they will be in the shadows casting a dark cloud on the new manager and in six months we are in the same predicament.

Do we say it`s time for a change and lose these world class players and say start again, or am I being way too dramatic and think that these brilliant ambassadors of the club should retire at the Bridge.

Just food for thought really!




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The Journalist

Writer: stephenlove948 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday March 4 2013

Time: 7:10PM

Your Comments

I think it's too soon, any dressing room needs experience and leaders, faze them out over time... Without them, I don't see a leader amongst the new crop.
Splint1976
Hope the best happens, I want stability so much
bjay4real
It's the truth I'm afraid, it's also a reason that talented managers will look at if they are offered the job. Slowly though it looks like the main culprits are on their way, lampard still hasn't got a new contract, if he was going to get one then he'd have been given it by now. I'm sure Terry's contract won't be renewed and neither Ashley after this season, Essien will probably leave in the summer as he's not in the plans. We are creating a vibrant young squad, one that a manager can take over without any fuss or who-ha. We are changing, it's just taking its time. Each season one player from the mourinho era will leave until only Cech and mikel are left.
Blue1989
Of course we don't want to get into a situation where by we are like arsenal, as one older player leave another becomes more experienced.
Blue1989
This is a good article and I can see your point mate. However, suppose we "lose these world class players and say start again". I carry on, and say that in 3 years time, Lukaku, Hazard, Oscar, De Bruyne, Bertrand replace the so-called current Old Guard? Then what? Shall we have to get rid of them? And "start again"? In my opinion, the answer is "no". Actually, the answer is in the middle. We have to find a balance. We have to appoint a real manager. A strong personality who can cope with the world class player. Because we do NEED the world class players. However, the real managers are very few in the world. We've been lucky enough to had 2 (two) in the past. Jose and Guus. Sorry, but Carlo was not. He may be a good manager, but not a strong personality. Look at man u. They've got a real manager. Face it, it's the truth. Recall how many primadonnas passed and gone from his hands (cantona, veron, stam, v.nistelrooy, even beckham, etc.). And he's still there! And keep winning! So, we have to bring back either Jose or Guus. That's my opinion.
Blu
I am sorry but the author has it all wrong here..players can gripe all they want..and those who know me will acknowledge that i am one of the most vocal about the fact that our players spend way too much time with the media and in media circles but the coaching merry go round that poses as normal at Chelsea FC is not due to the players..it is solely and squarely down to Roman and his self appointed board. In fact what has happened over the last decade or so is that with the constant sack today sack tomorrow carousel of managers, the senior players have oft had to manage themselves and have thus become the clubs closest thing to consistency and stability which has resulted in the vaunted player power cartel at Chelsea FC. No matter how powerful a players character if the ownership stand with the manager the player is eventually put in his place..we saw Andreas Strammachioni at Inter do this to Wes Sneidjer and recently to Antonio Cassano as a recent example. He is a young man with no coaching pedigree but because Massimo Moratti has his back the players dare not mess with him..The manager carousel we have at Chelsea is not down to the players..it is down to Roman and what it has done is spawn the player power cartel as a defense mechanism..the solution to this problem also lies with Roman..he needs to find a coach he trusts and likes, hand him the reigns, get out of the way, allow the guy do his job without interference and Trojan gifts and then exercise a modicum of patience..meaning give the guy a reasonable amount of time to achieve results and back him stoutly by providing him the players he asks for as much as is within reason and also backing him publicly and behind closed doors when conflicts arise even if it involves the big name players on the squad..this is how clubs like Bayern, Real and Barca are run.
GabeU
I don't know where u get ur idea from, mr author, but u might have a point and I think that is why roman want atleast 2 out of the remaining legends leave.
Desmondadonis
Where u got ur idea*
Desmondadonis
Get rid of the oldies,so far we have not seen any use of their most taunted leadership on and off the pitch..we cant keep habourin players who consistently feel they are bigger than the manager in the name of legends...
Ken4CFC
@Gabeu great read, there are only 2 managers who I think Roman will leave alone to get on with it and that's Guus and Jose! One of those and were set, but the only downfall will be as we know Guus is not getting any younger so I'd like to see Poyet come with him and with Jose there is always the potential for him to up sticks after 3 years or so, so it all depends on how the club wants to move forward, that's why I've been saying this is the most important summer for the last 10 years, it could be the difference between whether we dominate again for the next 10 years or whether we become an Arsenal and slowly decline
Splint1976
We should be makin the conditions conducive for any good manager and not just limitin it to guus and jose,and if it means the old guards leaves then so be it.
Ken4CFC
Hahahah.....Lol. God help our fans,some Chelsea fans are indirectly responsible for the predicament the club find itself. We dictate who we want with 'fan power'...Lol. Jeez. I credit ur opinion and totally understand your point Mr Author,Ill comment better tomorrow,but I had a good laugh. Cheers!
nelyvanile
What happens if we cant/dont get guus or jose in the summer??we cease to exist,right??
Ken4CFC
@ken4cfc, of course we'll not cease to exist if we dont get guus or jose in the summer. I just mentioned two "strong personalities" among the few, there are around. But these two are tried and tested managers, who enjoyed success here with us. We may bring simeone, poyet, conte, etc, and prove to be excellent managers. But they are unproven and unfamiliar with the conditions here.The situation with Chelsea is not the ideal for a manager. We want success every season. That's the way it is. That's why Carlo was (wrongly) sacked.
Blu
Getting rid of Lamps marks the beginning of a journey towards a better Chelsea. Ridding us of Terry will undoubtedly do away with player power because no more will there be "Mr Chelsea" talk about players who think they the most important ppl in the club
@Mq
I understand where the author's coming from but Cech, imo, is lesser or a problem than Terry and Lamps. Could be because Cech knows he's virtually guaranteed to start all our games, I don't know, but he seems less of a problem that the aforementioned 2. We rid ourselves of those 2 we'll have a better overall "Manager-authoritative" atmosphere at the club. I'll even hasten to say the "sources" who leak information to the media will reduce substantially once those 2 have left ;)
@Mq
@blu,those 2 are the popular demand.and they are only a few strong character out there.poyet,simeone,conte etc are belong to the class of avb.bring them in and the fate of avb will befall them,we should get rid of the dressin room cabals who conspire against managers that arent playin to their tune.the earlier we do that the better for any good coach comin in
Ken4CFC
It musnt be a mass exodus,the current format is good but we should a replacement as soon as 1 or 2 leaves unlike when DD left we brought no replacement in and ofcos we suffered for that
Ken4CFC
*we should get a replacement*
Ken4CFC
Just to shame a few.... Chief Executive Ron Gourlay today confirmed that the club are in talks with Frank Lampard over a new contract. Gourlay: "Discussions with Frank Lampard are ongoing. But they must be kept confidential at this stage." Haha! Great news! Now the club is thinking right. Lol
nelyvanile
Discussions to come train with chelsea when the chinese super league or MLS is on break
Ken4CFC
Well now atleast we know negotiations are being held so...Whatever the outcome the club recognizes his effort and took a step forward. Hopefully things pan out well and he gets a new contract.
nelyvanile
Lampard getting a new contract? No new CM then? Manure or City will win the league again then.
foreign_viewer
I do get your point bruv,and i kinda of have the feeling too that we should shed off some egos for the interest of the clubs progress. Lets just have within players who will be ready to give the manager their best at all times and abide by any direction and/or policy the club wish to adopt,without acting based on their perceived individual interest. But hey!,how much time have you seen Mikel behind the interview mike?? Or are you trying to make things up stemming from personal sentiment??.
Ohans
And expect the next manager to get sacked
Ken4CFC
The day Mikel says his relationship with the manager is "less than ideal" he should go.
foreign_viewer
well good news that lampy is getting a look in about a new contract but I think that the board should wait for the new manager to come in before handling out any new contracts to the oldies. lampard has palI'd his dues, I believe the club would be best served if the oldies are moved on and the new manager is allowed to craft anew team in somethingnother than Jose 's image without the interference of the old guard. this is where inhave a great angst against AVB . he had a golden chance to recreate the team and messed it up spectacularly. he twiddled his thumbs until his Rome burned to the ground around him.
Dwonder
Amazing how the media have managed to cajole a few fans into this worrisome ideology about 'Player power'. I've been watching football for 4 decades and as far as I can remember,'player power' has always been present in football,its basically up to the manager of the Club or Country,the FA(of the country) or the Board/Owner of the club to manage the situation strategically. So according to the author 'player power' is the whole shenanigans that goes on in the dressing room? I beg to differ...Bcos player power is far deeper than that,and it has nothing whatsoever to do with age. Player power differs depending on the situation,sometimes its down to a players personality (e.g Balotteli,Rooney),or just down to a players long standing service with the club (e.g Lamps,Cassilas). Wayne Rooney recently used his immense power as a fan favorite to get himself a bumper pay of about 200,000 squids a week,by threatening to leave the club as they didn't meet his demands. Manchester United and Fergusson could obviously have rejected to bulge to such demands by a player and let him go and get a younger and better replacement,but they didn't,they offered him the contract with terms of longetivity as well,and played smart knowing what Wayne offers the club. Wenger's found himself in such a situation in the past,and the club and board decided to let the players go and replace them with younger players who have nothing close to the character those long serving players offered...well we know where that has left them. Then you have a situation where the club changes managers every now and then,which obviously leads to the older serving players stepping up to create some sense of harmony in the dressing room. The board continuous sacking of managers is a continuous transfer of power to the players which obviously gives them more say,over managers who no less or nothing about a club they have served for years(its natural). A good example will be the AVB and Lamps situation and Cassilas and Jose's situation. The difference between those two examples I sighted is that,Jose is a stronger personality,and was able to stamp his ground even while the fans where against him,he managed to bring a divided dressing room back into harmony and its obvious in their result. He then showed his experience by sending Casillas to run the after match press after the win against Barcelona in the copa del rey (making him feel among the group),and just recently the Madrid fans cheered 'Jose Mourinho' in their most recent win in the La liga against Barcelona. If we release the older and more experienced players bcos of the so called player power,thinking it would solve anything,then I'm sorry its wishful thinking. This same players are needed to give the group a sense of direction and an identity in the club. The top characters like Luiz,Cahill,Mikel,Iva...Who might turn out to be the longer serving players will ultimately grow in player power in the near future and we will be in revolving circle. If you believe reports about player power,then Torres was obviously responsible for the sacking of RDM...The club sacking of RDM transfered a certain amount of power to Torres,so i guess we should release Torres as well? The truth is,the fault lies solemnly on the board/owner for its handling of the situation.
nelyvanile
Chelsea have come out to deny the reports as quoted by Gourlay about offering FL a new contract. Its official we have the worst PR in the land,and Lamps doesn't look like getting any contract. Absolutely disgusting
nelyvanile
How does Gourlay say one thing and Chelsea FC says another...Absolutely disgraceful management of the club. Everything is in tatters including our PR.
nelyvanile
Just spoke to a friend who says Gourlay was misquoted by the journos. Lol
nelyvanile
Real quotes Gourlay: "Obviously conversations must remain confidential between the club and the players at all times so that is as much as I can say.'
nelyvanile
Lmaooo....If Lampard signs a contract extension, how many cockroaches will finally leave this website?
KAKUfrank
Nelyvanile..excellent post above..it is nice to read comments from someone who has a long history of watching football, truly understands the dynamics and history of the game and understands the genesis of player power..you have articulated my views on this so very well. As you said if we ship out all our vets trying to rid chelsea of so called "player power" while Roman continues to play dancing chairs with the manager position i fully expect us to end up in the mess Arsenal are in now. I do understand that Chelsea fans are in fact often part of the problem of the club. We have been so spoilt in the Roman era with success that the very same people crying to high heavens about player power and asking for all the vets to be shown the door yesterday will be the first ones calling for the next managers head when he goes through a spell of bad results with a youth alone squad not to mention that they will literally be calling for his head on a platter should a season go without a trophy. The characteristic lack of patience that is the hallmark of Roman i have noticed is a pretty common trait among many Chelsea fans, particularly those whose only frame of reference regarding Chelsea FC has been the Roman era.
GabeU
Anyways, joking about the Lampard contract situation, but I will point towards something nely has mentioned in this article in regards to the great Jose Mourinho and also AVB. People blame Lampard for sacking AVB. However, this is as false as anything. Poor results sacked AVB and it wasn't Lampard. And the reason we had those poor results was simply AVB didn't have his kind of players in addition to other players underperfoming. If a Coach is going to war with his players (since that's what AVB did), he has got to have players on his squad capable of delivering the WINS, if not, the said coach is absolutely treading on a path to disaster as AVB witnessed. Like nelyvanile mentioned in regards to Stramacionni, however, Strama was afforded his own players. In addition to Strama, Allegri has been at it with Pato for over 2 seasons (but delivered because he had Ibrahimovich, Robinho at one point, El Sharawaay for the 1st part, Cassano and co) while AVB also encountered the same thing with Spurs this season with the likes of Dawson (Vertonghen is AVB's boy) and Adebayor (Defoe was delivering), but he is where he is now and the players are now accustomed to him and know who's the boss in the dressing room. The same can be said of Mourinho this season like nelyvanile mentioned. AVB's problems last season was too many conflicts with too many players of all age groups and different races - Alex, Anelka, Lampard, Malouda, Kalou, Drogba, Lukaku, Torres, Mikel, Ashley Cole (had a problem with 10 players) plus we were also losing games since he wasn't really backed with getting his players. Losing the world class players doesn't solve it because a new set of "players with power" will develop if Roman and his clueless crew continue sacking a coach every 6 months!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KAKUfrank
Roman will never allow his club to become like Arsenal. He would never sanction transfers like Gervinho, Squillaci, Chamak, Park, Santos etc. Only the best join Chelsea, excluding Torres of course.
foreign_viewer
Spot on GabeU. Its playstation stuff...release a player when he is old as he offers less and replace him with a younger and more energetic player...they fail to understand its different in the real world.
nelyvanile
Avb has now proved himself so obviously the players were rebelling like it or not we need a young hungry manager a mr chelsea to biuld a future
herefordchelsea
@foreign_viewer, if not the coach people call derogatory terms such as "imbecile", "dumb", and "clueless", we WOULD have been worse than Arsenal since we finished in 6th while they finished in 3rd place!!!!!
KAKUfrank
Also very well said Kaku...A long run of bad results obviously leads to questions being asked and moans from fans,players,and the media which intensifies the pressure(its normal in football)...Now its up to the management,board/owner to manage the situation properly,but what do they usually do...they take the quick fix approach...Sack! Sack!! Sack!!!
nelyvanile
@herefordchelsea, the question is not whether we need a young hungry manager or a mture manager or an old manager. I have no preference whatsoever for age. The question is WHEN AND WILL the owner pull the trigger if there is a sense of disharmony in the club (of which the coach should deal with) or we don't win a trophy in one season. Sacking a coach for coming 2nd in the league is LUNACY!!!!!!!!!!! And no one should give the bull about not being the right coach.....
KAKUfrank
Buying 1 TORRES or 1 Shevchenko whenever the owner feels like he has scouted a GEM and wants to blow millions of pounds one 1 player is the equivalent of buying Gervinho, Squillaci, Chamak, Park, and Santos. It is actually worse because it creates 3 problems - 1.) Disharmony within the dressing 2.) Poor results and 3.) Sacking of the coach. It is not a coincidence whenever Roman decides to blow untold millions on one player after owner plays football manager, it prevents us from bolstering the squad with proper players that COACH NEEDS and WANTS which prevents us from winning games and eventually the sack. It happened with Mourinho. It happened with Carlo, AVB, and RDM.....Benitez is lucky he has Demba Ba.
KAKUfrank
Mourinho played fifa when he released Raul then?
foreign_viewer
What was wrong with releasing Raul????? Higuain was a already a more prolofic scorer than him.....
KAKUfrank
Thank goodness its a false news..the board stil have there senses intact afterall...player power or not,we need players who are ready to give the managers their best,accept manager decisions in good faith and not rebels..Roman!!dont SIGN them up,SHIP them out
Ken4CFC
What's wrong with releasing Lampard?
foreign_viewer
Lmaooooo @KenCFC. I guess you didn't read nely's tweets...
KAKUfrank
@kaku,i did..roman's actions are responsible for the power drunk players @cfc and now he wants to clean up the mess.whats wrong with that??
Ken4CFC
There are obvious loop holes in the argument put forward by the Pro-Lamps brigade. But i want to make it clear,we all love Lamps and appreciate what he has offered to the club so far. Heck! I want him to beat Tambling's record,for good. But then when its time to move on,we all need to accept that,and believe it or not,the time has come. There are stronger and heavier reasons why he should go. Player power? You can only be in denial to suggest it is no problem here. That said, I will attempt to debunk all the arguments you lots think you hold.
Ohans
Well said ohans,they just make it look like we hate lampard!HELL NO,we dont.we LOVE LAMPARD as much as everyone here but its time to move on,he cant play on with us forever except he fits into the plans for the future(clearly he doesnt)...
Ken4CFC
This article was never a I believe this is what is happening more a food for thought article to get people opinions on where we have gone wrong. People really believe in their own importance when writing a comment, oh I agree with this oh you are clearly educated in history of football and player power when in truth none of us know what is going on. I'm 28 have supported chelsea since I could walk in the good and bad days and have never felt so low to support this club and part of that reason is the constant negativity surrounding us and yes roman has had a big influence with his hiring and firing policy but so do the senior players. Terry and cole have been or nightmares Cech's blogs his opinion week after week which infuriates me, if we beat a top team mikel will come out and say how we can beat everyone then we go and lose its a constant cycle of negativity and preserved player power and things have to change or the chelsea I love will always have this poisonous tag attached to it
stephenlove948
You're critical of the self-importance people convey in their posts and then follow that comment with a cursory history of your own loyalty to the club? You admit that none of us know what's going on, and then follow this statement with a speculative rant about "player power"? Well, let me just say that your post, stephenlove948, is a bit baffling. Not trying to be rude; I just don't follow you at all.
RadioactiveD
Lampard not getting another contract? Good news! I know the pro-#8 maggots will stop coming here after this slap on their faces. Ride on Roman!
munich Glory
pro #8 "maggots"? Good lord, what's happening to this site? Worse than that is the assertion those who support Lampard's contract extension would stop visiting VC (or stop their support altogether) if he left the club. Appalling stuff.
RadioactiveD
Am not really looking at the whole scenario based on how powerful some players have grown,but rather how pertinent and imperative it is we start a life after them. That is regardless of how indispensible we perceive them to be. We are talking about bringing back players from loan and making key additions via outright purchases,while failing to consider the limited spaces for the first team. Ofcos we are good in sending player,old and young off on loan,so might wel continue with that and retaining the exhausted legs. And talk about age distribution,our team is coming close to the right balance and mix of youth and experience,(ofcos jt can stay). Majority of our players are in the vital and most productive age,btwn 22-30...just like the bayern team,and in our subsequent signings, we ought to put this aspect into consideration. About player power, @nely,you must admit that there is player power,and that it can be dangerous to a club if overlooked. You talked about age not determining player power,well as debatable as that maybe,i want to ignore that and instead point out that our own case involves the oldest players and as such makes it easier to let go of such players. Talking about having potential powerful players already in the team...it becomes even more necessary we show example of what awaits any player who, by omission or commission,contributes in obstructing clubs plans and programmes. Sequel to the above point, a player who knows the ground more than the coach should be using same to help the coach realise the club given objective not to abort it. And the comparison made with players like Shrek and Balo,is immaterail. This are just individuals,not group of,who are just showing exceptional characters. They are not into a sort of cabal or bigger players circle,that can straegize and plot a managers downfall. Such groups when perceived ought to be broken. You dont need the entire group out to achieve that.
Ohans
As for Mou and Casilas situation,it is more of a personality battle between to apparent big heads. Mou handled that quite well. That is different from a coach who is connived against by such players in question,due to the fact that the coach's 'club given programmes' does not totally favour them. We dont need to go into details as regards that in Cfc experience,do we. @Radio,in as much as i think the fellow went overboard by some standards,it can be seen as injustice not to note the statement that prompted the response. Although its a case of simile and metaphor...likening some1 to a ROACH is as good as calling him same. Nuff said.
Ohans
@Ken4CFC, how is he cleaning up the mess if he doesn't stop the problem that actually stops creating the mess which is sacking coaches.
KAKUfrank
I made the picture even more euphemized,Someone here referred to other people who have,and are well entitled to,other opinions as 'cockroaches'... I agree that people are messing things up in here.
Ohans
Kaku,by clearin out the rebels who hinder the longterm plans of the club
Ken4CFC
Cockroaches vs maggots?
foreign_viewer
Lolz@fv,cockroaches vs maggots.thats the new el classico
Ken4CFC
@Ohan and @KenCFC, it is not a pro-Lampard Brigae. It is a lesson that has been clear as day and night for the past 2 seasons and something we as fans and as a club has not learn in the last 2 seasons!!!! which is do not release PLAYERS until you have a player that has demonstrated OVER at least 1 Season that he is better than the player that you are replacing. So I will ask 3 sincere questions - 1.) Which Central Midfielder IN CHELSEA's CURRENT SQUAD will fill the role that Frank Lampard fills in the double pivot or 4-3-3? 2.) Didn't we say the same about Ballack and co? Has Ballack till date been replaced. Ramires is still not reached 3 quarters of Ballack's level at Bayer Leverkusen. 3.) Weren't people saying the same about Drogba when Torres came and what has happened till date? @FV, Mourinho released Raul or rather Real Madrid released Raul because Higuain had demonstrated he could score more goals than Raul in addition to adding Benzema as well as having Cristiano in the squad who could alternate in the CF position if need be. Barcelona hasn't let go of Puyol regardless of his age because they still do not have a CB capable of replacing him in the squad. Before we use the usual line about going out there to buy a player who is capable of replacing him or youth, I will use Real Madrid and Man U. Real has bought Nuri Sahin and Luka Modric to replace Xabi Alonso and till today, none of them have demonstrated the ability to lace his boots. Cleverly was supposed to have replaced Scholes. Remember Man U was playing so well in the league at the beginning of last season and after a while, Cleverly and co proved not capable of replacing Grandpa Scholes and Fergie had to call him back. My view on the whole situation is we haven't got anyone yet to replace what he does in the Pivot nor if we do, we don't have a decent backup which is a role he can fill till now. Until you've got 2 players who can replace him in the starting and the sub role then you can leave the coach to make a decision to retain him or not.
KAKUfrank
Why are we talking about goals if Lampard is a midfielder? We need a passer. Oscar has shown he can do that job. De Bruyne is doing it for Bremen.
foreign_viewer
First and foremost my comments were directed at the notion of the author about (more experienced & older players)the so called 'player power' being responsible for our demise and the sacking of previous managers. It was never a pro Lampard comment it was sighted as an example. So just to address your question @Ohans.ill like to ask a few question of my own...Did the owner show a sense of commitment or trust towards the managers? Was the owner/ board ready to stick it out with the manager even when the usual seasonal slumps occurs? You can talk about 'player power' but the sacking of managers rest solemnly on the owner...He either backs the manager or takes the side of the players. I hear a lot of people talk about cabals and groups and a lot of crap,they are all assumptions,there's obviously no guarantees whatsoever that exist in the club. Its normal there are certain group of players who are closer to each other in the dressing room( nationality,former team mates,same language e.t.c) its normal at every football club. To say there's a group or a cabal is just a blatant assumption. Clearing 'player power' is not a viable reason to guarantee managerial stability,showing faith,trust,and commitment towards a manager is.
nelyvanile
"Clearing 'player power' is not a viable reason to guarantee managerial stability,showing faith,trust,and commitment towards a manager is." Please tell them again
KAKUfrank
Exactly Kaku...We could have made this same mistake with Ashley by letting him go,and hoping Bertrand filled his shoes,instead of letting the lad grow into Ashley's shoes gradually. Its not just Ballack's ability on the pitch we have missed,his leadership input and experience was lost in the process of clearing older players for the younger one. Like I've said several times,there has to be a balance btw youth and experience in the team.
nelyvanile
Exactly Kaku...We could have made this same mistake with Ashley by letting him go,and hoping Bertrand filled his shoes,instead of letting the lad grow into Ashley's shoes gradually. Its not just Ballack's ability on the pitch we have missed,his leadership input and experience was lost in the process of clearing older players for the younger one. Like I've said several times,there has to be a balance btw youth and experience in the team.
nelyvanile
It's ironic that the player with the most 'power' is Torres by virtue of his price tag and ongoing weekly cost. The player that this current team was designed (by the Board) to get him firing again. How ironic!
BlueABS
Kaku,we have KDB,he is doing wonders in germany.he would do a better job than what our legendary #8 serves us...clearin player power is a step towards the right direction.
Ken4CFC
@KenCFC, Modric was the best Central Midfielder in Premier League. Nuri Sahin was at a time better than Schweinsteiger and was named Bundesliga Player of the year. Why has Modric been the flop of La Liga including being crap in RM games and why did Nuri Sahin flop? When KDB does a better job than our legendary #8 in the double pivot AND the CM position, then you let the legend depart. Until then........................
KAKUfrank
The problem I have with Lampard is that for me he does not seem to support development of young players. He seem to be there for himself. That is the reason why we have seen most of our youths go on loan. With regard to influence on managers, one can see it when he on a bench and suddenly comes on as a substitute and scores a goal either through a penalty or otherwise, he runs all over to the fans and then to the press screaming about how he wants always to be involved. Now, if that is not undermining the manager then I don't know what is. It happened in Japan when all over a sudden Rafa was forced to abandon his plans only to accommodate Lampard in the final and we know what happened. I would have loved to see him as a mentor to the young players and not to see them as competitors for his place. That way I think he could really have been a true lengend who everybody would have loved to keep around as a potential CFC future manager in the making.
Muleya1
Does Lampard pass like Pirlo? No. Does he run like Ramires? No. Does he defend like Mikel? No. What does he do?
foreign_viewer
Kaku,judge modric when he leaves madrid,injuries was sahin's undoing at madrid,and ofcos the form of ever present khedira/alonso/ozil played a huge role in relegatin them to the bench...KDB is the heir apparent to our agein legendary #8
Ken4CFC
@foreign_viewer What Lampard does and continues to do is win and use possession effectively, switches play well, brings his team mates into challenging positions, sets a tremendous example about what being a pro is. Oh, and about to become Chelsea's record goalscorer. Anymore what have the Romans done for us questions?
colourtheisblue
And modric scores!!
Ken4CFC
Lampard lurks in midfield, passes sideways, runs forward and waits for the ball to drop nicely for him. He scores and he's praised. He like a second striker who helps out in midfield.
foreign_viewer
@radioactive please excuse my last post it had been a long day and I tried to reply in 5 mins when really I should have waited till I had some time, who'd teach teenagers hey! I think it's clear we are the worst hated club in the world some of it is conjecture from the media when there is nothing else to write about but some is brought on by ourselves by ourselves. What I believe needs to happen is they need to bring in someone to manage the team and have complete control with not interference, if the players are not willing to work this way then they need to be shown the door but the club needs to be singing from the same hymn sheet etc... I think as fans we need to play our part too if results are not going the right way or the manager is not picking certain players we need to back and believe he is making the right decisions. I'm not saying we can't have a good moan but it all needs to be within reason but most importantly we need to support CFC through the bad times and believe if we stick with the next manager they will take us where we belong and that is back among Europe's elite
stephenlove948
I wonder how this points you're raising making sense to you. Talk about baseless argument,replete with inappropriate points. I mean,when Pep in Barca let Ronaldinho go,he only showed faith in a young Messi,hoping to see him surpass Ronaldinho's efforts for the club...the result of that is there for all to see. You dont need to be an immediate hit to be to replace the faded stars...we've got the talents with enough potentials to do much more than Lamps did,and until we let go of the past,kill off that nostalgia,and we will get them in a much higher position than Lamps. Look at Ac Milan..they re getting better,just after a massive exodus of players,aged players.
Ohans
chelsea will offer a 1yr rolling contract of 50k to lampard...question is whether he will accept it???? Talk of legends....
Blu_run
chelsea will offer a 1yr rolling contract of 50k to lampard...question is whether he will accept it???? Talk of legends....
Blu_run
@Ken4CFC, no one is judging Modric now, but people made it seem he was going to just replace a player like Xabi Alonso because of his quality at Spurs and that has proved to be wrong. Imagine if Mourinho had sold Alonso when he got Modric. Imagine where Real Madrid will be. @Ohans, Messi played alongside Ronaldinho for 4 seasons so Pep had a basis for releasing him since Messi had proved capable of scoring the amount of goals and assists Dinho was providing to the Barca team. Deco played alongside Xavi and Iniesta for 4 seasons. Yaya Toure was not released by Barcelona until Sergio Busquets proved he could replace the qualities of Yaya to the squad and even making and being a more fit player for Pep's tactics. As Pep moved Messi to the middle, he did not sell Thierry or Eto. He had them as fall back in case the things will not work out. When Pedro became ready for the squad, Pep did not sell Thierry. He kept him there as insurance in case things did not work out. The same can be said about Sanchez and Villa. Sanchez is being groomed to replace Villa even though I think he was a bust before the money was spent. So tell me what's baseless, my argument or your poor understanding of the points????
KAKUfrank
@Ken4CFC, there is no doubt that KDB is a quality player, but until he proves so in this squad, then you let go of the player. You said "the form of ever present khedira/alonso/ozil played a huge role in relegatin them"......Isn't that the point of strong depth in the squad? Imagine if Mourinho had sold Alonso because he bought Modric.....Where would Madrid be?????
KAKUfrank
LoL @ the Lamps contract talk by NELY LoLEST indeed. Talk about self-humiliation LoL
@Mq
Kaku,why would jose sell alonso??he is just 30(lampard is 34),alonso is the best in his position(lampard is not),alonso is still waxin stronger(lampard is wanin),so i dont see any sense in the alonso/lampard comparison,whoever taught modric was gona walk straight into the madrid 11 needs to think twice,he will have to bid his time and grab his few opportunities like last night..as for KDB provin himself,thats what preseasons are there for,test your squad if they are not good enough u dip into the market.we are chelsea,we should have the best and not manage declinin players
Ken4CFC
We know for a fact that today there younger players who are better than Lampard. Hamsyk is just one. Dzagoev is another. That's if you are looking for a goal scoring midfielder that has skill natural ability on the ball.
foreign_viewer
Lampard replaced goal scoring midfielder Poyet. Oscar seems to have that ability as well.
foreign_viewer
Come on KenCFC, preseason is not enough to judge a player. If that was the case, Marin should be playing more often and Torres's Euro form should have transpired into this season's form. I don't have a problem with not playing Lampard, but do that when you've had players in the squad capable of replacing what he used to deliver. I am all for KDB returning plus adding another CM in the mold of Benat, Witsel, Schweini etc....Have those players in front of Lamps next season. If they are struggling to adjust, you can bring in Lamps to bridge that period they are struggling.
KAKUfrank
Injury wrecked marin's season,torres won the euro golden boot yes but there was no improvement on his form..personally i dont have a problem with lamps stayin but if he is goin to be a disruptive figure then its better he leaves now,lampard has been replaced in his natural role(AM) by mata,KDB(and a benat & co) would not do a worse job than what the legend serves us in the CM role,he is simply not good enough for that role.lampard is stil struglin to adapt adjust so how is he gona bridge the period when better CMs would be struglin??
Ken4CFC
Same players = more or less similar result. I don't see this team win anything significant in it's current state (personnel) regardless of who's managing it. @ best we can be in the top4 and maybe win the Carling+FA Cup but the major titles will elude us, so changes have to be made so that stronger & better players are bought. It's no brainer that the pivot is the position in most need of a change, which negates the retention of Lamps as he definitely cannot start as Attacking Mid (we can't bench Mata for Lamps obviously) however if he's to be retained as a squad player, let's not cry about youth development or the constant loaning of players who may well get frustrated and decide to move permanently
@Mq
This is not hard to understand Ken. What Kaku is simply trying to say is,it should be a gradual transition for the young lads. You only become a better player by training and learning from the best. Lamps might not be the same player he was a few years back,but Oscar,Josh,De bruyne,can still learn tons of things from Lamps to build their game tactically. The teams that win titles are a blend of youth and experience, but the best players are always at their peak at 26, 27 and 28. Before then, you have so much to learn about the game before you peak,and our younger lads are still in the learning process. In your late 20s and beyond, experience becomes invaluable,and you as a player become a tutor to the younger lads. Its for our own benefit Lamps stays for a few seasons more,not just for on the pitch influence. A lot of people complain about this current lads not having the same character as the previous players...That's what happens when you replace experience for youth without gradual and well timed transition. Its no coincidence this three players (Josh,Oscar,De Bruyne) have revealed their admiration for Lamps and how they would love to play alongside him. We know how Josh and De bruyne worship lamps both being Chelsea fans. Like I've said before,we have to be sure its the right time to let certain players leave....
nelyvanile
I took a peek at the archives and boy oh boy was it a revelation...Ballack is too old and is a drain, Belletti can go too...the season before Drogba must go...he is the main reason for our loses (even though he was not playing that much under Scolari) My point is, we can only get rid of a Hasselbaink if we have a Drogba in the pipeline. It is easy to turn on your players when you do not know the full story...AVB acted senselessly and Emanalo told him to get his own players but he didn't so his downfall was on him...RdM was never wanted and he was the sacrificial lamb as I believe he was sabotaged from the get go. We should have gotten a striker to replace Drogba, but we didn't and thus placed RdM in an untennable situation...which he almost made work out...point being the real problem is that Roman does sometimes undermine CFC with his ridiculous decisions.
Gian-Franco/Luca
@nely,i understand perfectly well,thats why i said i dont have a problem with him stayin as long as he wont be a disruptive figure...
Ken4CFC
Lamps position is the AM and we have transited in that role,mata has taken the mantle.lamps is not a CM,so the earlier we get a real/better CM the better for us,the pivot dont need transition,it needs replacement
Ken4CFC
I have a problem with Lamps staying...if he does I'll quickly learn swearing and carry banners to the stadium and hurl insensitive vitriol until he leaves :)
@Mq
Sentiments are clear. I hope Roman remains ruthless.
foreign_viewer
Gian,Belleti was not a makeshift RB,Ballack was not a makeshift CM,Drogba was not a makeshift ST,they all played their natural positions,but lamps is played out of position just to accomodate him at what expense??we are Chelsea,we should have the best in any position and not makeshifts who continously utter the shape of the team in search of personal glory.
Ken4CFC
Lolz@mq,dont dare insult our legend!!else u would be pelted right before u step into SW6
Ken4CFC
 

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