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Dear Roman

Now you may not remember your encounter with me, but I certainly remember meeting you.

Back in our centenary year, I had the immense pleasure of meeting you at the Centenary Party, held at that quaint little pub across the road from Stamford Bridge, The Butchers Hook.

You seemed a thoroughly decent chap, but then again my opinions of you were always going to be favourable what with you riding to the rescue and saving the club I cherish from financial oblivion.

Since that day, things have been so wonderful in the world of Chelsea that it`s fair to say that we`ve all been living the dream. Never, in my wildest dreams, did I imagine that, one day; we`d win the Premier League let alone the Holy Grail of European football - The Champions League.

But, and I suspect you might already feel that this letter is about to depart off on another tangent, things are, or have, gone horribly wrong, things are, to put it mildly, starting to go down the plug-hole.

Therefore, with your right hand-man, Ron Gourlay, still chanting the company mantra about qualification being essential for our football club to thrive, I`m asking you to take a step back, away from the rose tinted spectacles, and see what a mess it is all becoming.

Now, in the past, you`ve not been afraid to make changes. Some have been dramatic and drastic, others questionable but, and this is the most positive aspect, we`ve always thrived; we`ve always emerged as top-dogs regardless of the scorn aimed at us from the jealous legions who support others clubs with the same passion (now there`s a word) we show for our club.

Therefore we`re urging you to make a change, we`re not pleading for change for the sake of change, but for a change to ensure what we`ve all strived to achieve since your arrival doesn`t become a distant memory, a change that will ensure the company mantra is adhered to and that next season we`re still amongst the elite of Europe, not the also-rans.

So, however much the urge to stick with the Spaniard grips you, please reach for the axe, wield it and send him packing, you know it makes sense!

Yours sincerely
Merlin




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Writer: Merlin Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday March 8 2013

Time: 7:42AM

Your Comments

Here's my signature in approval of the letter Merlin. I can't believe the lack of optimism i felt watching the game yesterday. I was totally nonchalant and that's so unlike me watching a Chelsea game. I managed to get home just in time (whilst avoiding a ticket),and i got served a healthy dose of rubbish football. Rafa is killing us,and it shows in the players approach to the game. A total lack of belief,urgency, no fluency in play and we look so disjointed,like a team without a game plan. Rafa's sacking will definitely unite the fans and players towards one goal. 'Divided we fall' #Rafaout
nelyvanile
Sack FSW! Im in.
CFCblue.est
Sack Benetiz, Buck and Gourley.......be happy to start with Benetiz though and work on the other 2 at a later date
Embers
I think there is only one way roman abramovic can fix the relationship between the club/board and the fans and that is by giving them what they want. Rafa's head on a plate,admitting they made a mistake hiring him and then brining home Jose mourinho and giving lamps his one year deal. Football fans are a fickle lot and if by the start of Pre season the special one and lamps are at the club then I think by the first game everything from this awful season will be forgotten pretty quickly.
Dave-David
I think there is only one way roman abramovic can fix the relationship between the club/board and the fans and that is by giving them what they want. Rafa's head on a plate,admitting they made a mistake hiring him and then brining home Jose mourinho and giving lamps his one year deal. Football fans are a fickle lot and if by the start of Pre season the special one and lamps are at the club then I think by the first game everything from this awful season will be forgotten pretty quickly.
Dave-David
Here is my signature, I have readied it for over a month now, I can't even believe this is my beloved chelsea playing, we were fecking hoofing the ball liverpool style!! Oh my God, where is the crisp passes and retention of ball under RDM? Where is the show of skill? Where is the joy in watching ur beloved club play? I am so ashamed of the person who brought this clown to our club, this mistake is too huge to forgive except offcourse he fires the clown NOW, and get us a worthy coach irrespective of how hard that is by summer, making a decent coach to manage us is the pennance I demand from that individual as a fan. Gimme klopp,laudrup or jose and I'll wipe the slate clean, but first sack this clown!!!! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggvhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Desmondadonis
No way, lampard, tubb, benayoun, hilario, torres, turnbull OUT!!!!!!!!!!
jayb
RA has made a huge mistake but all will be forgotten if the right man is in charge next season. lets also put things in perspective not so long ago we lost 4-0 in a FA cup final against Man UTD and tbh i thought we would never again reach another major final! 19 years later we are CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE!!!!
MrDax
I feel bad for the fans that travelled to see this game. No heart whatsoever. And every player has themselves to blame for that crap performance. What wages are these chaps on? What club crest is on their chest? I can understand their contempt towards FSW but to get BEATEN by Steau is disgraceful with the quality we had on the pitch. Play for the ******** badge and for us fans and the ones lucky enough to pay their HARD EARNED MONEY to watch you!!! SMDH
ForeverChels
RAFA OUT!! TORRES OUT!!....Still
JohnnyOz
an excellently written article Merlin. ( Dear Roman, please reach for the axe....... lol). We could not string together 5 passes yesterday and reached a new low with the type of game we played yesterday. I could not believe that we had Mazacar on that pitch.... gone was the fluent passing movement of the RDM days and I would even have taken the suidical all out attacking style of AVB to the dross we had to watch. We have lost it big time with the calibre of players we have and the coach we are saddled with and to be frank, very drastic measures need to be taken if we will ever get out of this rut. The midfield was totally non existent, the pivot extremely slow>>>>. Jeeezz i can go on and on..... with the exception of ramires ( due only to is versatility... nothing else) every other CM/DM in the squad should be sold/released come summer. Lampard, benayoun, Mikel, Romeu, add betrand, Ivanovic an younger more mobile players. Lets imagine an Azpicuelta in the totenham squad....... WE ARE TOOOOOOO SLOW in transitions and I don't understand why David Luiz is now playing in the CB role after his excellent displays in the middle of the park. He is the only one that could have injected pace into that middle. Rafa and his ACCURSED ROTATION POLICY will be the death of us.
Dwonder
im starting to feel like some of the gooners fans iv been talking to....going into a match and not having the beleif that we are going to take something from the match,iv watched chelsea for near 20 years and i have to say i have never saw a team so not interested, no passion what so ever.i know it is a mickey mouse cup but you should be busting a gut every time u put on the shirt,it has to be down to the tension created by the appointment of rafa anyone can see that.....is romans ego bigger that his decision making? you dont amass 10b from not knowing when you have made a mistake do you? ktbffh
belfastblue1
I've always held the opinion that even Harry Redknapp would have been a better choice as our manager.
Blue Day
sell Mikel?? The Nigerian "god" who does no wrong but is "immense" every game?? Good luck with that suggestion DWONDER
@Mq
I wonder what the authors thoughts will be should we beat ManUre on Sunday and beat Steau to progress under Rafa.....
@Mq
you could swear Chelsea is relegation-bound based on this mantra. Talk about being spoilt (we are only 4th lost the 1st leg through an unlucky penalty decision....*smh*
@Mq
The more annoying part was watching how Oscar and Hazard were not allowed to be flexible on the pitch. It looked like they were subjected to the wings. Oscar wanted to rotate and move freely,but kept moving back to the left wing like he was ordered to,same with Hazard. As soon as Mata got on he called on Oscar,and pointed to the wings and said 'stay there'. That's not what Mazacar is about,the beauty of watching them play is when they rotate freely around each other with sharp intricate one time pass. I'm not too concerned about the Europa League,i'm looking at that team and wondering how on earth will we make top 4...Rafa out!!!
nelyvanile
I supported RDM's sack and thought Rafa will be a improvement to him...but alas i was wrong...he is same as RDM....We dont see any improvement in the team...yesterday, it was pathetic...we never pressed, passed accurately...wonder if Rafa makes the team train on passing and pressing or is just the physical exercises/ drills??
Blu_run
Same as RDM? Well can you point out a game where we played this poor against a lowly rated team under Robbie?
nelyvanile
That our best achievement in the league under RDM was 6th speaks VOLUMES about his abilities. Take the Champs League luck out (which effectively deserted him this season ironically) and the FA Cup goal controversy that changed the game and you'll have a man who was good at Man-management but very poor at team-progress management. Not for the luck we had in the Champs League we were going to be playing Europa League this season so while Rafa's been a let-down (especially for me) any suggestions RDM could've done better are more baffling and unrealistic
@Mq
.....I'm not too concerned about the Europa League,i'm looking at that team and wondering how on earth will we make top 4...Rafa out!!!.....if you not concerned about the Europa League but focused on P4 NELY then why say Rafa out based on your assessment of a Europa League game?? He did win our last EPL game ensuring we remain in the top4, not so??
@Mq
Dear roman,as u lay our bed so shall we lie on it
Ken4CFC
@Mq. "That our best achievement in the league under RDM was 6th speaks volumes about his abilities"!!!! Seriously, what are you talking about? He was only the manager for about 10 league games last season and in about half of them he rested players to save them for the FA Cup & CL, both of which you have obviously forgotten we won. I didn't realize finishing 4th in the league was a greater achievement than winning the Champions League. Also since RDM never managed a full season you could argue his greatest achievement in the league was winning 7 out of our first 8 games this season.
CobhamBlue
@Mq. Not interested in a chitty chat with you mate! Ignore my post...Thank you!
nelyvanile
nice article Merlin. Rafa is just one of the problems. The players should be ashamed as well. Like Mancini said most Players will think it's not their fault when their lost. The same love to kiss the badge and dedicate goals to them. how many was on the pitch yesterday that was willing to play for the fans? NONE. So if Roman mind has been made up to allow RAFA to stay till the end of the season does that give the players the right not to give 100%?. They are just showing their true sulking colours . The domino effects of their actions now will surely come back to bite them.
jollyheart Torres
@Mq. Not interested in a chitty chat with you mate! Ignore my post...Thank you!
nelyvanile
Same as RDM Blu_run, are you having a laugh? Check the results and the performances under each, Rafa is not fit to lace Robbie's boots. Anyway, here, her Merlin, please act and act NOW Roman, by Sunday night it will be too late!
SpanishBlue
If you want to chat privately NELY get a private chat room lad, anything you post here is open for response. You don't own the forum, you don't dictate who responds to you, this is not your personal website or even blog. You want privacy, go to the loo. Otherwise ask Merlin to organize you a private chat room ok :)
@Mq
When RDM took over COBHAM we were 4th on the log and by the time he was done we were 6th. Discount the miracles of the Champs League where our opponents ineffectiveness won us the games more than our own "well rested" players abilities lad, and as for the FA Cup we all know the about the "goal" than changed the game in our favor. Now I'm not saying Rafa is good, he's been a let-down especially for me but for you to suggest RDM could've done better is whence my argument is derived from because he didn't do any better in the league, he actually did worse with a stronger squad than we have now. As for "resting players" did you think the team Rafa played last night was our first 11??
@Mq
Steaua owner: 'We will surely score on SB, and Chelsea is not a team which can score three goals against us, so we are already qualified.' Fear factor totally gone. Lol
nelyvanile
Beccali (Steaua): " Hazard couldn't pose any threat. Yet he is their main threat. We will score at the bridge and Chelsea can never get 3 goals"
nelyvanile
If only the problems at this club were just in the manager at the helm. I've said it before and I'll say it again: HALO EFFECT. A new manager comes in and most of the time a club will get a boost in fortunes as players who want to COMPETE try their hardest to impress the new gaffer. There's where I see we have the biggest problem and I'm going to compare us to QPR. Yes, seriously; QPR. Uncle 'Arry went there with the job to save the team and he was met with players who were overpaid for the job they needed to do, who didn't give a stuff about COMPETING as they were getting paid regardless, plus if the ship is sinking and you're not on board then you can always say "I wasn't the one involved!". Compare that to our situation.... Rafa has come to this club and taken over a group of overpaid players who are showing no desire to COMPETE to save their top 4 spot/Cup places. Rafa certainly isn't helping as most fans (and probably players) think he's an incompetant ar$e, but as I said I just don't believe he's the only problem. We have a major problem that is getting worse at our club. For the best part of a decade we have had great manager after great manager come in to try and "save" us. When they fail they get the boot and the picture this gives to the players is that they are blameless as it's always the manager who takes the fall. The club needs a statement to change direction. Something that says NO-ONE is untouchable and I honestly think this person is Frank Lampard. I have a sneaking suspicion that Lamps is being used as the example to other players that when you time's up you're gone no matter who you are. Dangerous tactic if you ask me as it can have a very negative impact with players not fully trusting the club with their future. Anyhow, back to the point..... How do we fix this awful situation? Three very simple steps: 1) You employ a manager that commands respect from all of our players (only Jose or Hiddink will work this time). 2) Regardless of results the manager MUST remain long enough for some players to be shown the door first. This shows the players that they are as much able to be fired as managers are and takes away the "player power" with which we have become so known. 3) Be honest! The club's image has taken a hammering over the past 3 years between Cole, Terry, various manager firings etc. The only way to fix that is being honest and open with the fans and the media. The fans need to trust the club again, and having Gourley telling us half truths and media-spin is not building that trust back up. We need to feel loved by the club which we love so much and that requires trust and honesty on both sides.
Bizarre_Blue
well thats Rafa's pre-game speech for the return leg already done then...Thank you Becalli... I reckon we will beat them at the bridge by 3 clear goals, whether we deserve to or not is another matter...Rafa's chelsea team lack identity, this is a legacy of Roman's chopping and changing managers and whilst this has got us results up to this point, FFP has now stunted the "roubles" advantage that we previously had...post Rafa, managerial stability must now be key going forward, but i'm sure our board are not idiots...They will already be making plans they think best...we need to maintain success on the field of play and appointing Rafa was clearly an own goal in trying to achieve this target! Top 4 finish remains a must, whether Rafa will get us there remains to be seen...two trophies are also still a possibility , even if per our current form this is a very very minute possibility - Keep the Faith!
JohnnyOz
The forum is more civil and sensible with intelligent debates, thank God we don't have the plagues there.... We keep slating players to play their hearts out and do this and that, to what effect? The team was set up to fail, why do players play their hearts out for one manager and try all they could and give below mediocre performance under another manager, it is the way he relates and trains them, players are resources and it is how u use them, that's the amount of return u'll get. As I always point out, respect is earned not forced or campaigned for. That is why a manager like rdm get the team to play well and the same team are suddenly thrash under rafa. It speaks volumes about the individual (manager)
Desmondadonis
I hope we send off Lampard, Terry, Torres out of the team...Maybe this will send a clear message to the remaining players about the power they can wield in dressing rooom....Roman now has to act swiftly in summer and show who is the real boss...it has to be the manager or owner, definitely not the players....this may somehow reduce the Halo effect...
Blu_run
@Mq we were 5th when avb got the sack!!!!Dont try to make avb look good by saying we were 4th...
Lakupiippu
When u have a player like torres on the pitch, are we saying he is not playing his heart out for rafa? That is if u ignore the 175k he gets per week! Then u have the manager playing glassy legged benayoun ahead of marin who gave us more attacking impetus than yossi ever did, then u look at the problem we have been harping on for over a month now in the way we play, disjointed passes, hoof the ball and lack of communication in the final 3rd. When we were applauding this same communication earlier in the season, I refuse to blame the players this time around, I'll blame the manager solely because it is evident that he aint doing anything to improve our lot, with his training methods which is evident in the way we play no (MY GOD) and the subs the manager make during the game (ineffective and mistimed)......
Desmondadonis
Funny lads. This is not FC RAFA or FC Jose it's CFC and the players are paid loads of money to play for the team. Like Bizarre_ blue said they think they are blameless because when the going are tough it's the coach who has been the fall guy. Their attitude got few coaches sacked that is a fact. The players might now be saying to themselves how many more bad result would Roman endure before he boot RAFA out. KALOU confirmed that was exactly the daily conversation within the players during AVB last days. Now the board might just been standing up against those big egos. Their days are numbered as well. For sure it's going to be an interesting summer.
jollyheart Torres
steaua chairman slaughtered our team before the game yet the players proved him RIGHT!!! amazing and IF steaua score at the bridge then i think he will be proved right again. 7 trophies were up for grabs this season amazing we wont win just 1! shocking 50% of the blame has to go to the players! their lackluster performances against AM, Juve, Swansea, Corinthians, steaua and the list can go on prove the players are as much to blame as our non existent manager
MrDax
Chelsea goalkeeper Petr Cech has bemoaned his side's failure to take chances during their 1-0 defeat at Steaua Bucharest in the last 16 of the Europa League on Thursday. Raul Rusescu converted a first-half penalty to give the Romanian side a slender advantage heading into the second leg but the Blues keeper was frustrated to lose despite not having often been tested. "To be fair, I hardly made a save all game," Cech told ESPN. "They scored a penalty and they won so it's disappointing we didn't take our chances. Get Adobe Flash player CHELSEA LATEST 9/2 Chelsea are 9/2 with William Hill to keep a clean sheet against Manchester United "We ended up with the worst result. We didn't score a goal and lost 1-0, so obviously this is not the result you want from the first leg. "We had some chances but didn't score. We had some in the first half and had some blocked in the second half......Read more.....http://www.goal.com/en-za/news/4649/europa-league/2013/03/08/3807103/cech-rues-chelseas-missed-chances-against-steaua-bucharest
@Mq
^^^This coming from a player who's been with us through all our successes and failures in the last 10+ years. Anyone who thinks we were dominated is a bigoted imbecile, simple. Learn to be objective not myopic
@Mq
@ Mq.. the truth is that with RDM we were 4 points behind Man U, with Rafa we are 16points behind. Please note that it is with the same set of players that we have this far varying results/position in the league if is not a prove of who is the better coach, i don't what it.
Dwonder
Not just release the tubby spaniard, also release the fake forward.
Pantisocrates
"Objective" @Mq? What, like a Chelsea player might be?! Dear, oh dear, you get worse! Lad!
SpanishBlue
@MQ- How silly can you be?? We won the FA cup and UCL by luck??? And you call yourself a fan? You consider 4th place a good achievement? You talk like a total loser!!! Winners want more! They demand more! They push for more! They dont sit down and relax saying/thinking 4th place is good enough!!! They dont attribute their achievements to pure luck,they work hard and make their own luck. That was what we did! The fact that you dont think that way simply shows that you are some loser who is simply just happy to be in this forum typing your garbage!!!!
3nity
*know*
Dwonder
@Mq actually reminds me quite a lot of Rafa. Both are revisionists who see the world in a completely different way to everyone else. Another way of putting it is that both are completely deluded fools with no clue and nothing whatsoever to say that is worth listening to!
SpanishBlue
Mourinho built a team,gave it a winning mentality,that gave the fans a winning mentality and we got used to success. In the face of adversity,we managed to achieve our most successful season. Our players and fans breathe it and live it. A winners mentality is what we have @MQ. We dont get satisfied by 4th! That winning mentality which Mou brought is what has pushed us all these years.You have a losers mentality and you simply should find a losing club!
3nity
so Cech wasn't being objective SPANISH?? Or was he playing in a different match when he said he hardly made a save?? If your goalie hardly makes a save but the opposition goalie makes 2 or 3 very good saves, was your team really that bad?? You gotta ask yourself.....and by objective I mean he bemoaned the players lack of finishing thus ensuring the players also take responsibility. Comprande??
@Mq
First of all, I come in peace!! It's a slow day here at work, and as it seems certain that you, us, and Arsenal are going to take it down to the wire to decide who's 3rd/4th/5th I just wanted to ask a couple of honest questions which I hope won't provoke a slanging match. Firstly, do Chelsea fans in general believe that bringing in a new manager with 9 games (presumably nothing will happen between now and Sunday) left in the league will improve your chances of ensuring top 4? Don't misunderstand me, I don't rate Benitez at all I never have at any club he's managed. But would the disruption caused by yet another backroom shuffle have a bigger detrimental effect than keeping him until the seasons end? Especially when it must be assumed that any appointment made before then would be another 'interim' post? And secondly, was last nights performance as bad as some (or probably most) of you are making out? I've only seen highlights to be fair, but it didn't look like either team dominated. The penalty was soft, and an away draw anywhere in Europe can't (or shouldn't) be considered a calamity. And finally, And I do realise it's all conjecture at this point, but how do you see the 3rd/4th/5th positions standing at the end of the season? Oh and for the record, Ive enjoyed following your debates today. It's refreshing and comforting to know that every club still has supporters with loyalty in their hearts, passion in their opinions, and fire in their bellies!!!
LilyWhiteHart
....Mq actually reminds me quite a lot of Rafa. Both are revisionists who see the world in a completely different way to everyone else. Another way of putting it is that both are completely deluded fools with no clue and nothing whatsoever to say that is worth listening to....nice one there SPANISH but seeing as Roman hasn't sacked Rafa, should he be a part of us then?? The billionaire who has more money than the "smart" you is also delusional?? *go figure
@Mq
......A winners mentality is what we have @MQ. We dont get satisfied by 4th! That winning mentality which Mou brought is what has pushed us all these years.You have a losers mentality and you simply should find a losing club!....the players we had back then a different from the 1's we have now 3NITY I'm not condoning our current poor performance, all I'm saying is players & manager are responsible for the poor performance on the pitch and the board for the decisions that have us playing with rather feeble players. From the day I saw us buy players like Moses when we needed a starting RW I knew we'd have some problems, which is not to say Moses is useless but he's definitely not a Champs League-winning aspiring team starter. So blame Rafa, blame the players too and also the board. Why must Rafa take the fall alone??
@Mq
Of course Cech wasn't being objective @Mq. Here's an extract from the BBC report: "Steaua... enjoyed the greater share of what few chances there were". Inevitably Cech puts a biased spin on his words, he wouldd't have been at the Club so long if he didn't. I think even you understand that. Comprande (whatever language that might be - stop trying to be clever if you can't be!)?
SpanishBlue
@MQ......Im blaming the board for everything. Rafa just takes the hit for his managerial ineptitude and for how tactically deranged he is. The basis of my point isnt about our performances this season,that ship sailed the moment we sacked RDM and appointed tubby. WHat i wont take is having someone claim that we won the FA cup and UCL by pure luck! What happened to bravery,working hard and making your own luck??? Did you see Lukaku's last goal for westbrom? Do you think he was lucky or would you say he worked hard and made his own luck???
3nity
Roman only needs to do the following (from point 2-5 together with a manager)...1) Get a Manager that he'll back no matter what. I'm talking about buying him players within budget, giving him total control on team selection and where results aren't going our way, he stands by that man to fix the problem. This is aka patience....2) Get a quality RB to deputize for Azpi and leave Iva at CB....3) Get 1 or 2 quality pivot players, release Lamps to make way and probably Mikel/Romeu to ensure we have a squad that has healthy competition with chances available...4) Get a solid, starting RW who will start games deputized by Moses. We lack a quality RW as our current threat is only through the middle and wherever Hazard's playing....5) Get a quality CF to lead the team with Ba and/or Lukaku as deputies. We won't achieve anything significant next season with those 2 leading our team because for all their abilities, they don't have that extra bit to take us higher like RVP, Falcao, Ronaldo, Messi, maybe Aguero just to name a few. We need a world class forward, and we can use Ba and/or Lukaku as a deputy especially for the FA Cup, Carling Cup and some EPL games.......we sort this out and the club will be a force once more
@Mq
I do agree that we need a quality right winger though!
SpanishBlue
@Mq, your logic is anything but logical. How you can extrapolate that Roman is delusional from what I said is baffling, trust me, it only makes sense in your tiny, little mind. As I have said, I think Roman has made a horrible mistake and he will put it right, like he normally does, hopefully sooner rather than later.
SpanishBlue
eh SPANISH perhaps you'd make your point if you actually quoted all his words not just the few you selected. That doesn't make you any "objective" when you selecting statements that suit your argument. His whole statement plz :)
@Mq
@Lily, I personally so far have been advocating for fellow fans to put their feelings towards Rafa to be put aside , and support him and the club for the general benefit of the club, seeing that , as you do, I cant see a change of amanger at this point producing much difference and whatever difference wouldnt be much good, so better the devil you know... I am still basically saying the same thing, but last nights result though hasnt completely made me change my position , does contribute to a step change in my optimism downwards. Yes we can win the home leg against steua though Im far from convinced it will happen. I would love to see us win Europa league especially if it was Chelsea / Spurs Final (lol). But I see us giving the League position and FA Cup priority. I pray that Chelsea get any top 4 position, Im sill hoping for 3rd - maybe 2nd
Blue_Mel
.....WHat i wont take is having someone claim that we won the FA cup and UCL by pure luck! What happened to bravery,working hard and making your own luck??? Did you see Lukaku's last goal for westbrom? Do you think he was lucky or would you say he worked hard and made his own luck???... Negating the 3 times Cech's post was hit in the 1st half, Cech saving point blank from Fabregas and Cashley clearing off the line (all this at the bridge alone) I'm sure it was a valiant effort from the lads that made Messi miss the penalty @ Camp Nou 3NITY knowing how lethal Messi is. I'm also sure it was an inspired defensive effort that saw Cech make 2 brilliant saves to deny Messi & Tello a goal too. I'm also sure it was bravery and determination that saw Robben miss a penalty in the final, all the while seeing us score having had 2 shots at goal the entire game compared to Bayerns what, 10 shots+?? We worked really hard in seeing Bayern miss their penalty kicks and we scoring ours too.....do you get where I'm headed??
@Mq
boy that mq douche is full of it. what's the matter with you,are you on some kind of drugs or something?
crochels
well SPANISH if you say....@Mq actually reminds me quite a lot of Rafa. Both are revisionists who see the world in a completely different way to everyone else. Another way of putting it is that both are completely deluded fools with no clue and nothing whatsoever to say that is worth listening to!....excluding me because of my "support" for Rafa what does that mean about the mind of the man who not only hired Rafa but has also retained him thus far?? So they made the "mistake" of hiring a delusional manager who they have retained for so long despite the results?? Mistake?? Of hiring a "delusional" man?? Those who call for his support are effectively labelled delusional as well but the man who hired and has retained this "delusional" man (aka supporting him) is said to have made a "mistake"?? How objective is that.....
@Mq
don't give lampard a new contract at all. he is so used to the power he holds that he will even make a revolt against jose if jose's tactics doesn't suit him. selfish and gloryhunter
ChampionBlue
I do think otherwise that Rafa out of the picture will galvanize the team and bring the fans together. We don't need a tactical master on the managerial sit right now,we just need a little motivational kick in the ass and a breath of fresh air. Can Steve Holland do any worse?
nelyvanile
Hi LilyWhiteHart. Firstly, yes, personally I do (wholeheartedly) believe that bringing in a new manager with 9 games left in the league would improve our chances of finishing in the top 4. I'd do it before Sunday myself to give us a chance of staying in the FA Cup too. That's how little I think of Benitez that it would still improve our chances in spite of another round of upheaval. It's not about one performance, it's about all of the performances since he came in. Just look at the results, they have been terrible, not just the odd aberration or the odd bit of bad luck but consistently poor. I know it's a cliche but it's true that there are no 'easy' games in the Premier League but realistically, a squad of Chelsea's quality should not be losing to QPR, Swansea, West Ham, Steaua Bucharest, Newcastle, Corinthians and almost Reading, Southampton, Sparta Prague, Brentford... Football is football, so you can't win all the 'easy' games, it just doesn't happen like that but to consistently struggle and lose those types of games is nothing short of abysmal. Many of these players won the CL last season and yes, we had some luck but at times were were absolutely magnificent too. All those players haven't suddenly become useless overnight and personally, I hold Benitez 99% responsible for a run of form more like that which I expected from Chelsea in the 80's and early 90's when each and every game was a competitive struggle. Right now, I see you getting third (and quite rightly on form) and Arsenal 4th with us, limping home in 5th if we're lucky. This is not typical of the way I think or feel about football and again, that is a measure of just how extreme I perceive to be the damage being done by Benitez.
SpanishBlue
in case anyone forgets, we played AWAY from home but....Shots taken Steau 9 Chelsea 14, shots on target Steau 3 Chelsea 9 (3 times the number of shots they had) ball possession Steau 40% Chelsea 52%. Judging by the sentiment on VC you'd think the opposite is true. Last season I saw ManUre embarrass their way out of Europe but the outcry wasn't as loud, presumably because they didn't have Rafa as Manager LoL....which makes this more about personality than ability methinks
@Mq
Cheers Blue_Mel, to be honest that pretty much echoes the sentiment I hear when I bring it up with the Chelsea supporters I know. And to be fair (and I know it's easier from the outside looking in!!) I agree on pretty much all counts. Sacking Di Matteo surprised and angered me, as above all else I like the fella. He's a young manager still learning his trade, obviously reciprocated the fans love and respect, and even now I can't see that he did a whole lot wrong. And the appointment of Benitez was equally if not more baffling!! Still, at Spurs we have our own issues with our owners/chairman so I'm sure I don't need to share with you my two penneth on that haha!! It's sad but true, that no-one suffers for their club more than its supporters. I also take your point that 2nd isn't out of the question for you or us or any of the chasing pack, as that little glimmer has been gathering momentum at Spurs too. One thing's for sure, it certainly isn't gonna be boring!!!
LilyWhiteHart
Oh for God's sake @Mq. When people edit quotes properly, then they do not remove words that alter the sense for their own benefit. o not judge me by uyour standards. Here's what I removed: ", who hold a 12-point lead at the top of the Romanian top division,". "His quote" was from the BBC, as I said, not an individual. Right, I think I shall end this now, you are making no sense at all and just embarrassing yourself once again so there's no point and besides, more intelligent and worthwhile posters have come along like LilyWhiteHart.
SpanishBlue
Why are you even wasting your time SpanishBlue?
KAKUfrank
9 Chelsea shots on target - tee hee, everywhere else says 3! I say again, revisionist! Sorry, couldn't help just one last comment!
SpanishBlue
...."To be fair, I hardly made a save all game," Cech told ESPN. "They scored a penalty and they won so it's disappointing we didn't take our chances. We ended up with the worst result. We didn't score a goal and lost 1-0, so obviously this is not the result you want from the first leg. "We had some chances but didn't score. We had some in the first half and had some blocked in the second half"....full statement :)
@Mq
I don't really know KAKUfrank. It is amusing tearing him into tiny, little pieces for a few minutes but then it becomes tedious, there's no challenge to it. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost!
SpanishBlue
scroll down the article and tell me how many shorts BBC SPORT say's Chelsea had....http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21448051
@Mq
add my signature too. this was dire in the extreme... but... was it any worse than the away performance in prague? i don't think so. and i believe we will win comfortably in the second leg. bucharest were very ordinary but too many times recently (read brentford away, reading away)we have been a complete shambles. sort it please roman as quickly as possible and listen to somebody other than whoever you listen to the last time around!
trueblue44
Current Poll...can we add Torres to the options?
Blue_Mel
^^^^When you done seeing how many shots BBC SPORT say's Chelsea had SPANISH don't be embarrassed to come and admit your folly :)
@Mq
Cheers to you also SpanishBlue. To be honest, until you listed some of the negative results you've had in both league and cup(s) I didn't actually realise there were that many. Especially when, as you rightly say, your squad on paper speaks for itself. Having said that, Man City are looking flat and ordinary (not to mention disinterested!!) and on paper I'd say they have, man-for-man, the best squad in our league so what the hell do I know haha!! For what it's worth, and I say it through gritted teeth when you think about the effect it had on us, I DON'T belive there was too much luck involved in you winning last years CL. I just think you had a manager who despite his inexperience (managerially at least) grasped what it took to be successful against European opposition over two legs, and also the players who fought like all holy hell to make it happen. Every team wins the odd game by luck, but luck doesn't last for game after game, leg after leg. So anyway, with all the names being bandied about as your next manager, who's your choice? I'm guessing Mourinho would get 100% of the vote in a poll, but would you happy with Laudrup? Klopp? And would you take a mediocre 2013/14 season (say Euro League qualification and a cup win) if it meant giving the new man a chance to build his own team that would challenge/win leagues for you in the subsequent seasons once he'd found his feet?
LilyWhiteHart
after that humiliation, kindly answer my question(s) SPANISH....@Mq actually reminds me quite a lot of Rafa. Both are revisionists who see the world in a completely different way to everyone else. Another way of putting it is that both are completely deluded fools with no clue and nothing whatsoever to say that is worth listening to!....excluding me because of my "support" for Rafa what does that mean about the mind of the man who not only hired Rafa but has also retained him thus far?? So they made the "mistake" of hiring a delusional manager who they have retained for so long despite the results?? Mistake?? Of hiring a "delusional" man?? Those who call for his support are effectively labelled delusional as well but the man who hired and has retained this "delusional" man (aka supporting him) is said to have made a "mistake"??..... :)
@Mq
Oh dear, oh dear. Your quote @Mq: "shots on target Steau 3 Chelsea 9". It was 3 according to the Beeb (and UEFA), I have checked again. So you mentioned apologies...
SpanishBlue
I don't understand your question @Mq, it doesn't make sense but it doesn't matter, I am not answering anyway, I really have had enough. Bye!
SpanishBlue
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21448051.....LoL I don't know how you miss the article link I've posted for the 3rd time, which clearly states Steau had 3 shots on target to our 9, Steau 9 shots overall to our 14.
@Mq
If Benitez loses on Sunday, he will be sacked and Avram will be pointed. I am probably deluded for thinking such, BUT I prefer him to RAFA..........At least, he would listen to Steve Holland, Terry and co who actually have a clue of what they are doing.
KAKUfrank
checked Uefa.com too, they saying 3 shots for us while BBC saying 9 (the link I submitted) BBC saying 3-3 corners, Uefa saying 4 for Steau and 5 for us.....I'm confused now, who do I believe LoL
@Mq
What's so funny about this article is that no one blames the 600+ fans for the loss? I THOUGHT they were responsible for Chelsea's inability to win games.....
KAKUfrank
Never mind, the poll on the right suggests 46% is the fans fault for our demise.
KAKUfrank
LilyWhiteHart, I quite agree about City, they do have the best squad in the league and I think Mancini is to blame there too, he's a rubbish! It is largely because City, Chelsea and Arsenal have idiots in charge that a very average Utd. side (forward line apart) are walking the league. Had you started the season better, I genuinely see no reason why you couldn't have challenged for the title, you're as good as Utd, probably better right now. I appreciate your comments on our CL win, very much! Again, I agree that we deserved it too but we did have some fortune along the way. I mean, you'd back Messi to score a pen, wouldn't you! That said, I doubt any side's ever won anything without a stroke or two of luck along the way! Perhaps we made our own luck! For Manager, I'd be happy with any of the names you suggest. I'd have serious reservations about Jose coming home but ultimately I'd have a grin from ear to ear, he is a top quality Manager. I saw a loot of things that weren't right when he left before but from day 1, 'knew' that he'd come back one day, he's got unfinished business at Chelsea. Will that be now? I don't know! Laudrup has all the pedigree and has done a fine job at Swansea (but then so did Brendan last year and he's finding life tough at 'Pool). I wouldn't mind him having a go but if you are to appoint a relatively young and inexperienced Manager, you have to give them time (AVB aside, it just wasn't the right place or the right time for him and us last year!), there' no point if he gets the push after losing 2 games in October after a good start! I don't actually know much about Klopp but like what I see. Yes, I would take a quiet season if it meant building again and I fully expected that to be this season with Robbie building. Personally, I thought that was going really well and I had revised my opinion as I believed we could genuinely challenge for the League and Cups until Rafa came a long and dismantled it all. I'm not sure I see the need to drop out of the top 4 to rebuild though. Again, with the quality of players wee have, even in a time of regeneration, I consider 4th spot realistic and would happily take that for a season or two if it meant coming back stronger than ever with a youthful, dynamic, hungry side winning trophies left, right and centre!
SpanishBlue
To just blame RAFA for the mess is ludicrous. for sure he hasn't help our cause. I think there should also be an open letter to the players to show more grit and willingness, that extra 10% when putting on the CFC jersey. Roman has trusted or taken side with these player in any fight/ issues with any previous manager. This is the only time he is keeping his trigger happy finger down and guess what they are sulking and not showing enough passion. I have issue with that. These players are experience enough to take the bull by the horn that is main everyone agreed experience is needed in the team but right now I am not seeing any benefits of that experience.
jollyheart Torres
Your link's to the Sparta Prague game @Mq. Now stop it, my ribs are aching!!!
SpanishBlue
@Mq the drama queen of this forum again going lower low to get the attention. He does not a mean a thing he says. He just wants attention. What a plonker!!
Keyser Soze
Definitely need a change; change of coach, management/board and some players.....
Latunvic
.....Your link's to the Sparta Prague game @Mq. Now stop it, my ribs are aching!!!.....LoL thanks for pointing that out SPANISH Geez
@Mq
@jollyheart Torres, it is not about passion or anything like that. The coach is incompetent. He is terrible. His instructions are rubbish and it just does not fit the players. Rafa is also too arrogant to listen or change it when things are not working. Only Rafa Benitez can make Demba Ba score Sparingly, make Mazacar look toothless, make Ramires have the worst game in his career against City etc....He doesn't know how to use the players!!!!! It was the same as Inter Milan. People were trying to use the same old rubbish excuse that it was age, but a young Leonardo turned around the team. Only Rafa can take a team that was 4 points behind City and take them out of 2 other competitions plus a 19 point deficit. He is a CRAP MANAGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KAKUfrank
back to sanity :)
@Mq
To make TOP 4, Fire Rafa and we'll make top 4. To win trophies next season, a change of players and a few management personnel should be changed or an adjustment. If Qataris take over Arsenal and pump money and we keep firing people, it will be interesting to see where we end up!!!!!!!
KAKUfrank
You can be happen to play a football game, but when you show up on the pitch and the manager sets everything wrong, your performance translates to crap. It is not the players. The manager is useless....
KAKUfrank
This thread is really good value loool...i find mq bashing particularly amusing, but you gotta give it to the man, he's got one heck of a thick skin and ive actually grown to start admiring his resilience....not everything he says is garbage after all imo :) having said that my feel is that the board are completely at fault for appointing RDM as perm in the first place and then cutting his reign short and bringing in the worst possible replacement...It is my understanding that Roman (the fan) cant stand Tubbster either, but for the benefit of things chelsea he has refrained from so far from replacing him in the hope that he'll get us past that finishing line in 4th (at least) Lets not keep slating a dead donkey, we know things have not been good this season but it was always going to be a transitioning one for us, we just hoped that it would better managed. I just want to get to the end of the season and see what our strategy is then. All this continued Rafa hating is hurting the one thing we all claim to love the most....whichever way we want to justify it, cfc is suffering as a result of the this acrimony & rancour amongst the chelsea faithful. Lets put our personal hatred to one side and like i said in a previous post, keep supporting the team to the best of our abilities till the summer. I believe this is the best chance we have of salvaging anything from this god-forsaken season.. I've said it before and i'll say it again, Come May 19 - RAFA OUT!! TORRES OUT... :) In the meantime, TWO are still a possibility - Keep the faith...
JohnnyOz
If we trace the "root" of this current malaise JOHNNY I'm sure it won't be far from the hiring of RDM in the first place. Now I know how much ppl here love the man, and he seems a nice lad but truth be told, he was unwanted from the get-go. From the moment we appointed a man we didn't want, it meant we didn't get him the players he wanted because "we don't want him anyways so he won't stay that long" which meant we were vastly under-resourced (player-wise) and this has affected our performance to a certain extent due to fatigue (too many games, lesser "quality" players). Once Roman decided to sack RDM (whom he never wanted) he brought a man who clearly was/is unwanted by the fans. I was initially for the idea, given my belief that Rafa had the experience to keep us competitive but alas, it was not to be really. I think the turning point was the West Ham game when we lost the match from a winning position (or did we draw, don't quote recall) but since then we've had a mix of good and bad result. Come summer, for the sake of progress Roman must choose a man he will back regardless. I'm talking player purchases, team selection and unequivocal support when the team's under pressure (I'm sure we'll have another moment some time next season). Once we have a Manager the board is patient with, affords the necessary resources (players) to challenge for the objectives set (which must be clarified to avoid any confusion about priorities) I'm sure we'll have set-up a good foundation...in a nutshell, the biggest challenge is securing a Manager whom we'll allow to build the team with few valuable additions and departures. The big question is who??
@Mq
I find myself agreeing with pretty much everything you say Spanish, whether you choose to take that as an insult or a compliment is entirely up to you haha!!! AVB was definitely the wrong man at the wrong club at the wrong time when he was handed the reins at Chelsea. I thought he was a great (or at least incredibly promising) young manager, but not for Chelsea at that time. Common sense told me that you don't work under Mourinho for that long without picking up some rather useful experience. But for his first managerial job outside of his homeland a club like (ironically!!) Spurs would have been a much better fit. For good reasons or bad, we don't have any squad members with the club history of the likes of Lampard/Terry whose influence despite (I suspect) being 99% positive must be massive, and intimidating to a young manager. Basically he needed a fresh lump of clay to mould, ideally prominently young players, that he could stamp his own mark on. That said, we are exceeding my expectations this season. Before a ball was kicked I couldn't see a top four finish. Losing Modric and VDV from last year was always going to leave a void, likewise Ledley despite his increasingly sporadic starts. But Dembele has for the most part hit the ground running, and for me we got two of the signings of the season in Vertonghen and especially Lloris. We are Spurs of course, so I'm taking nothing for granted. We are still more than capable of losing to anyone on any given day and our capacity to f@$K things up is the stuff of legend!! But somehow I just dont see it happening this season. We are still (and have been for 4 years) at least one quality striker short of being serious title contenders for me. In the same way that (again, outside looking in) I believe you are one out-and-out wide man, one CB, and one striker short of having the best squad in the country. And also, of course, a top manager. For me, Laudrup ticks pretty much every box. He's a legend in the game, which will (or should) command instant respect from the squad. He plays a brand of footie that would surely appeal to Romans desire for a more attractive style of play. He's getting the best out of a (largely) good-to-avergage squad at Swansea. And unless it's dumb luck then he also has the eye for a bargain a la Michu. Also because of his standing in the football world I believe it would be hard to dismiss him if a few poor results litter his first season, regardless of how ruthless Abramovich has proven he can be.
LilyWhiteHart
Unfortunately Merlin i have to agree with your sentiments expressed in this letter. Up until Rafas recent rant in the press i really felt letting him go before his contract was up would be counter productive but now i have since had a change of heart on the issue. This is not to suggest that Rafa is the only thing that ails us or even the main thing..i feel that Roman and his board are our greatest albatross right now but the only major problem we can "fix" in time to have an impact that could salvage this season is Rafa. When i say say "fix" all i mean is trying to salvage a top 4 finish in the BPL because i am near metaphysical certitude that there is no way Rafa can lead this team to win either the FA cup, the Europa league or even secure a top 4 finish. Honestly just looking at the body language of the players on the pitch in the last few games i doubt that anybody other than the spaniards on the team even listen to the guy anymore. I think he has totally lost the locker room and the players are so demotivated and uninterested i dont want to be uncharitable but it is almost like they have conspired to get the man sacked. Those who want to heap blame on the players have a right to do that but i am a pragmatist..these are our players..they are on contract..we are not getting any new ones before seasons end and we know from when RDM was here that they are capable of so much more than what we are seeing now..Roman cannot and will not sack the players...if we are serious about trying to salvage a top 4 finish to this season and so ensure Champions league footie next season a serious jolt to the system is required..a hard reboot must be done and the only way this can happen is to remove the one person who the vast majority of the fan base and i suspect the players dont want around..namely Rafa. Just that process irrespective of who takes over for the last 9 games of the season will probably provide enough of a so called bubble or halo effect that will lift morale, energize the fan base and players and push us over the 4th place finish line..After that is achieved if Roman has learnt anything he better sit down and make some wholesale changes over the summer as to how he runs this club. If however he and his board have decided to totally throw this season in the trash bin and risk us being out of the Champions League next season then they can continue business as usual. Months ago when RDM was sacked i remember saying on this forum that we should be careful of our arrogance and remember Liverpool..i would repeat that counsel to Roman and his three amigos; Remember Liverpool a team that rapidly declined from champions of europe to where they are today..at least learn from your past mistakes if not those of others.
GabeU
I dont normally respond to trolls posts Lily but since you sound reasonable, i just want to say good shout re laudrup.. For me the shortlist for the next chelsea manager has only three names on it 1) Micheal Laudrup 2) Antonio Conte 3) Jose Mourinho (my favourite) We also need to sort out issues within our management structure re Emenalo and Gourlay ( i think their positions need to be altered) Players restructuring: Needs to be robust and vigorously done in the summer. Getting the right balance of skill, experience and youngster coming through whilst driving for success on the field which is what the chelsea model is based on FFP and resolving issues with stadium capacity and a possible relocation away from stamford bridge, as well as the relationship with the fans...Now that Roman can no longer buy our affection with all the Roubles in Russia because of FFP restrictions...there needs to be more done with regards to keeping the fans in the loop with club strategy....maybe one day soon, Roman may even give an interview on chelsea TV... The time for change is now...
JohnnyOz
If we break it down to the basics it goes back way before AVB ever came on the scene. Indeed you can probably date our first major issues back to the reign of Big Phil. This was the first noticable time for me (in the Roman era) when the team looked to no longer be willing to play for the badge. Something had to change and Big Phil didn't have the solution so out he went. In came Hiddink who proved that there was nothing wrong with the club really (sic!) and everyone just put it down to Big Phil being a crap manager. You know; the same Big Phil who won the world cup. Next came Carlo who showed us that there was even more life in the old Blue dog by winning a double. Clearly there can't be anything wrong with our boys.... That was until overnight Carlo turned from Chelsea Maestro to Chelsea Mess and people began calling him "Clueless Carlo the Clown". Roman again did his Queen of Hearts impression and it was "off with his head". In walks the world's next special one in the form of AVB. A rocky start and a clear inability to get these great players firing meant that the Queen of Hearts struck again and RDM was left to pick up the pieces, once again showing that there was nothing really wrong with the players by winning the FA Cup and that infamous big-ear'd trophy. The common theme here?? Successful manager after successful manager has NEVER been able to turn around the modern group of players after a significant slump. We all hate Benitez, but don't take away the fact that he has won trophies and been successful in every cup that we were contending. If you scrubbed the name off the CV then ANY OF US would have hired him based on what he once acheived (although any of us also believe that the club should have known better than to hire him for our house). So here in lies the point..... Our players have only ever responded to TWO manager who didn't then go on to fail at the helm. One was Jose and the other was Hiddink. We need one of them back in here to fix this shambles as I seriously don't think anyone else will be able to manage the club through a rough patch. World Cup Winners, Champ League Winners, Or Special Ones in the making have all been shafted by the poison blue challace. Who will be the next Queen of Hearts victim (besides Rafa!)......
Bizarre_Blue
Very well said GabeU. Nice post.
nelyvanile
That's me for the day, so cheers for the banter fellas. Also, best of luck for Sunday. Nothing would cheer me up more than seeing Fergusons face after being shunted out of two cups in 5 days!!!
LilyWhiteHart
Michael Emenalo - Technical director, is he to blame for the appiontment of rafa?
belfastblue1
Right on, merlin. Sack Tubby now. Sack Gourlay, Buck and Emanalo in the summer. If you don't sack those incompetents, think about selling the whole shebang to someone else.
Squig
@Bizzare. Point noted,but it doesn't really paint a true picture...Scolari and AVB were basically trying to play a fluid attractive football with a team that was built for strength and rigidity. It was obviously going to end in disaster with the lack of patience from decision makers( board/Owner). A total contrast to RDM and Carlo who got the best out of the team at their disposal in their first season with Carlon winning the League & Fa Cup,and Robbie winning the UCL & Fa Cup. The 2nd season for both managers proved to be harder,with the demand for attractive football and a huge blow to the squad depth. Carlo was forced to sell a few key players due to the age restrictions and the headache of fitting Torres into the squad. RDM was also forced to loan/sell players due to FFP and also trying to fit Torres into the squad. Notice the similarities? Not to forget they both started with blistering pace and consistency at the start of the season and both faced a slump in November. You can say yeah its the players fault,but its was deeper than that mate!
nelyvanile
Back in the country after going to watch that apalling game of football, I am reaching the stage, like many others, that we are being embarassed by our club in its performances since Benitez has been in charge. No passion, no desire, no team spirit, the list goes on. Sadly I`ve concluded that we should just put the kids out against ManU on Sunday and Steau next week, at least they would try. It`s time to get rid of Benitez right now, his whole presence at the club is destructive. If not we will be lucky to end up 6th again this year no doubt.
Blueheart9
Totally disagree with you Bizarre on this statement: "If you scrubbed the name off the CV then ANY OF US would have hired him based on what he once acheived". ABSOLUTELY NOT. The last major trophy Benitez won was in 2005 which is now ABOUT 8 years ago. Winning the Coppa italiana and FIFA World Cup does not count. His Inter Milan reign was a disaster as he was getting outsmarted by almost every come Johnny Come lately coach. Their signs were even there as he was being out-coached by other coaches at Liverpool in his final season in both the PL and the UCL. It is the same explanation people tried to use for Torres. The signs were there he was already declining as player (his current season at Pool), the injuries and the world cup. Even at that, they were so many choices we could have spent that money on, it didn't have to be Torres.......
KAKUfrank
They were other choices, it didn't have to be Benitez.
KAKUfrank
@NELY don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is JUST the fault of the players as clearly the managers also have a major part to play, as do the media, as do the fans. Everything takes a share in making a club work. My whole point was to show that it shouldn't just be the manager to blame in these situations. And that doesn't mean I'm defending Rafa either. Bottom line is that he should never have been appointed here, but I understand why the club went this route. THe important thing is to fix the situation quickly and get through to a fresh position as quickly as possible.
Bizarre_Blue
@KAKU I wish the world worked that way mate. If you have a job that is best filled with certain types of experience then this is the first thing you look for on a CV. How many managers have won the Champ League in the last 7 years? How many were actually available? Just one. How many have won the World Club Cup? How many available? Just one. The same one. On paper Benitez had the best background for what the club was looking for as an interim manager to see us through the challenges we faced. Would I have hired this candidate off paper? Yes. Would I have hired RAFA "FU(KING" BENITEZ? Hell no! That's the point I'm making here and I have chosen my words very carefully through that post.... "What he ONCE achieved". Rafa has lived off his past glories since 2005, but I think you have to credit him for what he did until that point, even if you hate the guy now. Please don't take this as insulting as it isn't meant to be, but if you go past the "rafa hate" then surely you must be able to understand why the club appointed him? Wrong decision though it was, it did have some level of thought behind it.
Bizarre_Blue
Not necessarily Bizzare_Blue. The difference between my job and the coaching job is you can't easily assess everything about me besides what's on my resume and speaking to a few references who could be biased and put in a few good words. In Rafa's case, we had watched him in Liverpool for years and most recently INTER MILAN. There is a reason he hasn't won any trophy since that 2005!!!!!!!! Not even a Carling Cup, FA Cup or UCL. On paper, I will not because since then he hasn't won any. Not the FA, not UCL, not anything. Nothing of recent. Club world cup is NOTHING. Again, I won't have because he's been out coached for 2 years prior to being sacked. Add to that he's been unemployed for how many seasons NOW???????? Forget that nonsense about waiting to coach a big club. That's the only way to keep himself relevant. And definitely not, I cannot fathom why the club considered him for the appointment. Why was he sacked at Pool and Inter Milan? I am sure the explanations will be anything besides Rafa as he blames the fans for everything at Chelsea these days.
KAKUfrank
I can't understand the same way the club decided to buy Torres when he was clearly not the player we needed. Just like Rafa, his recent track record (world cup), injuries and the season we bought him (9 goals in 23 matches), he was still woeful. We bought Torres based on what he did before and not what can you do for the club now? The same with Rafa. We wear TINTED GLASSES towards his most recent performances and focused on his past achievements. Players on the pitch are played based on recent form, why NOT hire coaches based on recent form rather than "PAST ACHIEVEMENTS"?
KAKUfrank
@KAKU Then we are sort of coming from the same place. You're saying that knowing that Rafa was the manager tells us everything we need to know NOT to hire him, but what I said was that if you were to scratch his name off the CV then it does seem kind of appealing. If someone in charge had to pick an interim manager then tubby would certainly seem appealing to those looking for "experience" only. All to often people make a career out of past glory, and as you quite rightly point out, Rafa is such a person. This is why I would NOT have hired him, but it doesn't change the fact that I can see how someone in charge who is not quite so bright WOULD have hired him. This whole thread has led to some interesting differences in opinions between people, far more than the usual "Love/Hate Legends/Lamps/AVB/Jose/Etc". Just for clarity on where I stand: I wouldn't have hired Rafa in the first place. I don't think Rafa should be allowed to continue another day in charge. However when Rafa was hired I was prepared to give him the chance to succeed without booing him. I also thought the club made the right decision in sacking RDM but would have given Carlo and AVB more time in the role. I do believe that our players have a cancer that has been present since Jose's siege mentality came into play and that this cancer has caused the departure of at least two managers. I finally believe that the man who built that cancer will also be the perfect man to cure us of it and would welcome Jose back at the helm. That's me in a nutshell and I already know lots of people don't agree with a few of my opinions, but that's what makes me who I am ;)
Bizarre_Blue
KAKUfrank, I don't necessarily disagree with your train of thought but one small correction. Rafa won the 2006 FA Cup when Liverpool beat West Ham in the Final.
CobhamBlue
@KAKU, I partially agreed with u on the RAFA but that shouldn't excuse the players for their lackluster display. That is not the attitude of top professionals. RAFA is gone is the summer and sure so are some of the players. They can't always decide who to play for because they are paid to play for CFC.
jollyheart Torres
Thanks for the correction CobhamBlue........@BizzareBlue, my comments were related to not hiring such profile even if you scratch the name of the resume.
KAKUfrank
Another RA's cobham visit anyone. Cheers to you @LilyWhiteHart: I enjoy ur posts in here. Just let this season end already Oh Lord
Ibidayo
hey look at it this way, rafa managed liverpool and look how they are doing now! rafa managed inter milan and now look at the now! he is now manager of cfc and now look at us now! christ it is scary!
Dave-David
I don't think RDM was really the long term solution for Chelsea but how can it possibly have been the right thing to do to sack him after winning the FA/CL Cups and winning 7 out our first 8 games this season. Only a club run by trigger happy yes men would do that. Even his slump consisted of a defeat to Man Utd in which everything that could go wrong did, a draw with Liverpool & Swansea - not great but hardly sackable offenses - and I'll grant you, a poor defeat to WBA. But would we really have less points now if we had given RDM a season? I very much doubt it. We may even have won the CWC & COC.
CobhamBlue
I wouldn't have touched that cv Bizarre_Blue, even with no name on it. Whilst i freely admit that I don't like the guy (like I could deny it anyway!), it actually isn't that personal. His record in recent years has been awful, not to mention the fact that he has been unemployed for 2 years. No half decent Manager is out of work for 2 years, especially when it is not from choice! The awful results we are getting under him are merely a continuation of the dross Rafa's teams have served up for years!
SpanishBlue
I thought by now most fans here would know what competitions Roman prefered. It's the CL. That is why Carlo was sacked because he couldn't get us past quarter final after 2 tries. The decision to sack RDM was purely based on the CL results not the league results. It also shows how many credit the board give RDM for winning the CL.
jollyheart Torres
@jollyheart Torres, you have to distinguish between playing with heart and playing poorly and then dig into why they are playing poorly. Like I was telling someone yesterday, the argument that the team is performing poorly because of the TOXIC environment is the most flawed explanation ever given the rubbish record he holds home and away as well. It is not every player that is deciding who he or she plays for. Some (A LOT) are motivated to play for the club, but the incompetent coach doesn't know how to use them. Just watch his set up against MAN U on Sunday!!!!!!!!! The only impressive win Rafa has been in charge of is Everton and West Brom. Brom is even arguably since their best player (LUKAKU) was on the bench.
KAKUfrank
I don't care what happens...I have cooled down and am in a place of peace which is miraculous considering the fact that I am laughed at by my colleagues and family saying that I look like I have been Benitezed...but guys, every phenomenon has a pattern, nothing just happens sporadically, and I believe that I have identified the pattern. Roman sees us (CFC) as nothing but an elaborate PS3 console...he has no real respect for the club (If I was handed billions by first Yelstein and then Putin I would have bought CFC too). I don't think he is Einstein but I know he has an iota of intelligence, and anyone with an iota of intelligence would not have picked Rafa to handle the club...unless there was an agenda...I do not know what that agenda was/is but there are a few theories I have in mind chief of which is that perhaps he initially underestimated RdM...thought he could just give him the title of interim...have him finish 4 then be done with him, but RdM flipped the script on him and gave him what he craved and also some cherries on top in the form of UCL qualification and the FA Cup. This is evidenced by the fact that RdM pointed at Roman and gleefully said "I told you" as he went to accept the trophy...what that tells me is that perhaps there was a discussion with RdM as to the way forward and that 4th was the priority, to which RdM said that "No...we can win it." To which Roman probably laughed and said "Anyway you will only be here until the end of the season." But RdM showed him up, so in the summer there was a lot that was done to undermine the plans of RdM...the persistence with Torres and the jettisoning of Meireles and Essien, but still RdM prevailed...meaning that there would be no chance for Pep...He'd probably resigned to keeping RdM until Clattenphuck messed us up big time and started the slide. Then came a light in Roman's head, "if this continues I will be able to fire him, but I cannot get someone who is popular and who will win...let me get Benitez. The fans hate him and even if he won the EL and FA Cup, I will fire him and get Pep....MWUHAHAHA" So these losses are exactly what Roman wanted initially when Pep was still a viable option...but it backfired as all elaborate and dubious scheme's tend to and now we're stuck with this embarrassment. Truth be told I even believe he told Benitez not to apologize the fans to effect this hatred so he could get his dream boy...But He Toyed with my Club and that is unacceptable, sure it was his money that paved the way to success, but to toy with my club like that is unacceptable...I would have been a willing participant in any army Roman would have needed, but now no more...even if he fixes things and all goes well, I shall always look upon him with less trust than I have when gaze upon a black mamba for if he has done it now, he will do it again, and again...so I say it again...Thank you Roman.
Gian-Franco/Luca
Sacking because of UCL exits is a RIDICULOUS DECISION. Roman should have waited till December at least if the league results did not turn around. He didn't sack Ancelotti after the Inter Milan or Man U exit. Man City have been knocked out back to back, but Mancini (I don't think he is that bad) wasn't sacked. Based on his impatience, he also jeopardized the season and risks losing out of top 4 for SUCH A STUPID DECISION. With Rafa being knocked out of the Carling Cup, Europa and probably FA Cup on Sunday (since he would set up the team in a rubbish way), what was the use of HIRING a WORSE COACH????
KAKUfrank
KAKU, the win against West Brom was not impressive at all. For the last half an hour we looked like conceding and for the last 1-/15 mins, it was backs to the walls as we were pinned in our own half. Another 5 or 10 mins and we'd have drawn or maybe even lost the game! I will, however, give Rafa 4 good results: Everton away, Villa and Arsenal at home and Southampton away in the Cup. I count 13 bad results and out of 28 games, that is dreadful, totally unacceptable for a squad as good as ours.
SpanishBlue
SpanishBlue, Chelsea played well against WBA for around 75 minutes but couldn't get the second goal. It is only natural that after what has happened to us in recent weeks that we started to sit back in the last 10-15 minutes. But apart from a couple of free kicks I only really remember one "scare" when Luiz missed a header and Azp nearly scored an own goal. It was admittedly virtually the last thing that happened in the match. But Chelsea were much the better team unlike the Arsenal & Everton games - great result notwithstanding - where we were outplayed for long stretches of both games.
CobhamBlue
Instead of mentioning impressive, maybe I should have said win over a big team. Everyone POOS on Arsenal so they don't count. You know what is baffling SpanishBlue. 2 or 3 weeks ago, I was watching the Arsenal vs. Bayern match with my father and he said to me, how can one explain how the winner of the UCL regress so badly while the loser progressed so much? All In less than 1 year!!!!!!!!!!!
KAKUfrank
or a competitive (strong) team....
KAKUfrank
Amen! The front page is crowded with intelligent post. Brilliant guys!
nelyvanile
Disagree Cobham. For 60 mins, we were average against a very poor West Brom and were only 1-0 up despite having a few chances and them offering nothing. Clarke made a change after an hour, bringing on Odemwingie. Not only did he inject life but it gave the whole WBA side belief. Rafa failed to respond and from 60 mins on, West Brom looked far more likely to equalise than we did to put the game to bed. They didn't and we won, justifiably so over the whole 90 mins, so fair enough but it was a poor performance and another one that we were so very close to stuffing up.
SpanishBlue
If Abramovich and Emenalo do not put their playstation consoles down and realize that just buying players ad hoc does not constitute as a team, its going to get worse, much worse. If I was Jose or any other decent manager, I would make the same decision as Pep Gaurdiola and not touch Chelsea with a barge poll. Our club is so badly run from the top, quite frankly its embarassing. Look in the mirror Roman and get rid of the imberciles that surround you.
Blueheart9
Tell me about it SpanishBlue. Can any of Rafa's supporters point to a tactical change made by Rafa to address opposition's coach's changes? I mean Allardyce bringing in Diame. Clarke bringing in Odemwingie. Adkins bringing in Lambert. Harry with Taarabt. Gosh!!!! These are not even world class coaches outsmarting Benitez!!!!!!!
KAKUfrank
Watch someone point out Rafa's inclusion of Eden Hazard which led to win against PRAGUE!!!!!!
KAKUfrank
The only result I'll give rafa are 3, aston villa, leeds and southampton in the cup games, those were the only games we won without our hearts in our mouth, its painful I missed this nice debate, but all the same I enjoyed it, I get ur point bizzare, I'll think of hiring benitez too if I were in the same position due to his CV, but as spanish and kaku have pointed out, I would think twice and evaluate the probability of risks and returns before doing that, rdm was highly inexperienced, but he is not this poor, we have reached a curve where we can't climb back up with rafa, it is simple, there is no miracle that will make us achieve top 4 with him, that is why I have been clamouring for him to be released for over a month now, to save us from our blushes next season, we have to sack him now. Almost anyone is better than benitez now. Gullit as interim if he'll take it is preferable due to his blue connection, steve holland and adi. Atleast it'll bring everyone together again, I am not saying it will work out, but not trying at all will be horrible since it is obvious rafa won't cut it.
Desmondadonis
Has Rafa been sacked yet???????????? Can't wait for this season to end just so i can read the title Rafa has left the building!!! I'll open a bottle of champagne and celebrate when this day comes!!!
Tiraspol
SpanishBlue, fair enough, but from my point of view apart from the couple of incidents I've mentioned I never really felt WBA were going to score. I really felt we created 4 or 5 excellent scoring chances. Oscar especially had 3 glaring misses. Compared to yesterday when we were awful but apart from the penalty I never felt Steaua looked like scoring and again Benayoun really should have scored. If we are at all interested in the Europa League we should be capable of easily beating Steaua at home, the only problem is I cannot see us beating Spurs over 2 legs. I reckon Spurs will win the Europa League.
CobhamBlue
We have 10 league games left. On recent past performance everyone is winnable except Man Utd away and Liverpool away. I'd expect us to lose both of these. Although Spurs is winnable we'll probably do no better than a draw. So considering the absolute necessity the club have placed on a top 4 finish the players have no excuse for not picking up 22 points which would give us 74 points. I reckon anything over 71 will get us at least 4th. If we drop any points before we play Spurs I'd say we can kiss goodbye to the Top 4 finish and Rafa should go.
CobhamBlue
@CobhamBlue, if Rafa is sacked, we'll win the Europa League......
KAKUfrank
If he's not sacked before Thursday we might not be in it to win it!
CobhamBlue
Cheer up guys! The U 18 lads are currently playing the FA youth quarter-finals, watch that to at least have some smiles and something to celebrate about CFC... They're playing pretty well and leading 1-0 now.....
Latunvic
@Gian-Franco. interesting theory about how Roman handled chelsea with Rdm and tubby...but truth is its only your own book and there's no guarantee its righ in any way...I dont think I will judge Roman based on some fairy tale you constructed in your bed room...No doubt though, appointing tubby to manage chelsea is the guff of the century!!!...That decision is fecking us real bad!
layorh12
Haha.... what a goal from Kimwoya.... the keeper didn't even make a move.... haha.. 1-2 now.... Boy, I never knew Ake could play left back and Nditi play RW... really impressive stuff, Nditi especially is playing RW like it's his natural position.... 7mins to go, let's go Chelsea!
Latunvic
Any yes.... we've made it through to another FA youth semi-final... tough game it was.. thumbs up to Adi and the boys. Strong character from the boys, Adi continues to show he's a good coach and tactician.. He changed the system a bit in 2nd half, moved Nditi to RW and Ake to LB. Kimwomya's brilliance got us the 2nd goal and a well deserved win....
Latunvic
Well done Michael laudrup well deserved new contract at Swansea, he's decided to stay and take swansea into Europe. Lets see how they do in that and what other bargains he can unearth and then he can come to us! Oh dear what a sorry state we continue to find ourselves in. If we aren't going to see a change in manager then I'd settle for a change in formation and tactics to see our season turn around, anything, something. I'd like to see a whole new formation implemented, a visionary formation of 4-1-2-2-1 take shape. Luiz as DM, Oscar and mata in front of him as our creative outlet, hazard and Moses as the wide boys, with Ba upfront. This can go to 4-5-1 when out of possession.
Blue1989
That was a good game and what a strike by Kimwoya for the winner 2-1. So its Hull city or liverpool in the Semi final. Good job lads,the first team need to watch the youth team play more often,intricate passing and movement.
nelyvanile
I will be so happy if the first team can play and show good understanding, team play and commitment like these young guys. Really top class performance from the young blues. I just wish we can have a club policy that will make us build the core of our 1st team from the youth team. Seriously, some of these young guys are world class and we can have a world class team if we build a senior team with 5 or 6 of these guys forming the core, just add a few other quality from outside. These guys play with solid understanding, love and commitment to the jersey they adorn, not some over paid spoilt brats who come here to jogg on the pitch feeling they are almighty... I love the crop of young players we have now, always ready to watch their game and will be glad if we can build a 1st team from them instead of wasting money on some over hyped players who do not have the Chelsea spirit....
Latunvic
That ain't a bad idea at all latunvic, however that would need a stable manager to do that as well as a stable board, of people who would want to see the squad go that way.
Blue1989
I don't think this @Mq is a human being, Under RDM CFC got beaten by Athletico (in what can be termed as a preseason cup check how many CL winners has won the cup in the last 5 seasons apart from Barcelona), ManU,Juventus, Shaktar and Wesbrom, he complains bitterly and call the coach all sorts of name, now under Benitez we are losing against the likes of QPR,Newcastle,SBucharest, Swansea can't hold a 2 goal lead against Southampton, Reading etc and this idiot says Benitez is not only at fault but the players should share part of the blame which he never said under RDM. And you want me to belief that such dunce is human???
sojofjand
Our win against Sunderland & Wigam were also impressive
SameX
Rafa does not know how to fire up his players. They play like hungry ladies with not passion and fire in their belly. They don't like Rafa, they can't wait for him to get sacked.
SameX
Sack Rafa and you will see a better CFC team, his team is too disjointed, no fluidity @all, he is not getting the best out of our new recruits. Our Pivot is crapier than it was & Mazacar look average.
SameX
I agree with Kaku, all we need is a brilliant tactician, even our youth team Coach with Steve may be perfect, and the best will be brought out of this team, we may even go on to win the Europa League.
SameX
We have plenty of work to do with this Squad during the Summer. First of all, we must forget about 'Legends', football is changing rapidly, If we keep Lamps, we will be overtaken. We need to seriously fix the Pivot even If it means selling all of Rami, Romeu, Mikel & Lamps, I dont care. Tbh, these guys are far from world class for a Club like CFC. They cant even hold the ball & spray it, they cant even think fast & move it forward. Ahhhhh!!!!! We have a long way to go.
SameX
I see the Midfield of Juventus, Madrid, Athletico, Bayern & even Lazio and I marvel. Its very easy to destroy CFC as we dont have a midfield that can effectively keep the ball and control the Tempo of the game. Just pressurize Lamps, Mikel or Rami and you win take over our Midfield.
SameX
The funny thing is there are many cheap, creative, combative and ball playing midfield players out there in the Mould of Modric, Pirlo, Alonso etc, but our Scouts are doing nothing about them. Capoue, Wayama, Gundogan, Benat, Benaga and many more,,, none of them will cost more than 18m Pounds and they will totally change our midfield and Pattern of playing.
SameX
Pls we don't need avram come stink up the whole place, as much as I don't like rafa I would still give him till the end of the season than replacing him with avram. Roman needs to learn the hard way sacking managers every minutes does not help the team, only put the players in a more powerful position. The downside to roman learning the hard way is we all have to bear the pain with roman. For the good of the club we need to stick together till the end of the season and tell Benitez to *****off.
Pila12
I hope we put up a good fight irrespective of the result against Man U. on Sunday. We have lacked passion these last few weeks and the players need to step up.
syed230183_chelseafc
The sheer inconsistency this season is maddening because I thought against West Brom we played better than recent games although missing many chances and then bucharest happened!!!
syed230183_chelseafc
benitez must go as soon as is practical end of season probably,hope roman has learned something from this and the torres experience, roll on next season
herefordchelsea
i'm in, sack him asap
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