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How will Mourinho use Mata in the CL?

Well, I just want to share a few thoughts of mine and want to see the opinions of all the fans.

Juan Mata has been our best player in the last two seasons. He's been consistent and he has carried his team on his shoulders. He has the best of stats when it comes to all the domestic competitions. But to establish ourselves as a top force, we need to win the Champions League and at least challenge for the Premier League title every season.

Now when it comes to the Champions League games against top European giants, Mata has not been so impressive. Thats where our biggest player needs to step up and do what Lampard and Drogba did against top sides in the last decade.

Looking at his Champions League stats against top the top sides since he joined Chelsea (not counting useless sides like Genk and Nordsjaelland),Mata has two goals (one against Napoli, thanks to a schoolboy error from Paulo Cannavaro and one against Leverkusen) and three assists (against Valencia for Drogba's goal, one corner against Bayern Munich for Drogba's goal, one corner against Shakhtar for Moses' goal).

Now, no matter how great a player Mata is, these figures are simply not good enough for a player of his stature. He was ineffective against,Napoli, Barcelona and Bayern Munich and Shakhtar and Juve this year.

Oscar,on the other hand, has given us glimpses, that he could be the man for the big occasion. I fully understand that the type of footy we play in the CL against top sides does not suit Mata and I give him credit for making huge efforts to adapt, unlike many players who complain.

But still, how can we be so sure that Mata will be effective in the CL in the near future?

When we will face top sides, Mourinho will 100% go defensive, which I don't mind, of course. It seems that`s the way we'll play against top sides. Please don't get confused with all the great work Mata has done in the domestic competitions.

Champions League is totally different. I am just wondering how Mourinho will use Mata and what Mata will add in the CL since we will rely on counter-attacks, set pieces and long balls. Some may say Mourinho made good use of number 10`s (Sneijder and Ozil) but don't forget Inter and Madrid did not sit back in the CL, as much as we did and as much as we will.

Can Mata replicate his PL form in the CL?

Can Mata do what Lampard and Drogba have done for years in the CL and step up when we need him the most?

The way Juventus bullied our entire team is a huge concern for us in the near future. My big worry is that how Mourinho will use Mata in the CL and what Mata will add. I think this will be one of Jose's and most importantly one of our biggest problems.

I would like to hear from all of you.

The floor is yours.

KTBFFH




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Writer: cfc250 Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday May 21 2013

Time: 4:45PM

Your Comments

Well, to some up my thoughts on this, as I've incidentally been thinking along these same lines too, I'd simply say Mata needs the gym! Period. So does Oscar too. And u're so spot thinking he'll be used almost exactly the same way he utilized Ozil at Madrid, IMHO though.
HGH Magic
*and I think Jose will have to teach him the value of using his right foot a li'l more often too.
HGH Magic
@cfc250 You contradicted yourself and answered your own question. Mata will struggle like most of our players in Europe when we are out of possession. We NEED to keep the ball and improve our possession play in Europe. Also Hazard has improved exponentially in last half of the season and his and Mata's interplay is something else. They didn't have that in the CL. This was still a team gelling and not the finished article. Players were new, learning to play with each other and so on. Last year can be totally discounted as Mata was not suited to that sort of play. He soldiered on and showed his work ethic and willingness to adapt. I don't know what Jose will do. Considering someone like Ozil in RM started every game for him in Europe and La Liga and Sneijder the same for Inter in Europe and Serie A, i think Jose will find him a role similar to what he is already playing. Plus Mata can play on either flanks as well, and has both long and short passing range and vision unlike the other two and not to mention superb dead ball skills. This season has been all about learning, gelling and the relentless fixture schedule hasn't helped with fatigue a factor, still Mata had both assists in the EL final. Going back to our play in Europe, I have said before we need to up our possession. To do that pressing and retaining the ball is essential. And the brunt of it falls to the pivot in a 4-2-3-1 system. As we all know our pivot has been the most contentious issue of debate for us throughout the season. This area needs surgery and needs it quick. With a better quality pivot we will have better possession and better and quicker transition of play bringing Mata into the game quicker with space to exploit. To help Mazacar or the 3 CAM's in behind the striker we need the PIVOT to step up. And till now we have not been linked with even one pivot player!!!!
syed230183_chelseafc
Put Bastian-Martinez behind MaZaCar Cavani & you will eat your words.
SameX
Fix the Pivot & you will see the best of Mata. Mata is still not playing to his best cos our Pivot players cant control the tempo of the game, they cant pass & cant keep the ball well, Mata has to come very deep to spray the ball & defend.
SameX
We did not lose to Shaktar, Athletico & Juve cos of Mata. We lost because of our poor defending & Pivot issues.
SameX
You also don't really have to pose the same question 5 times in single article. Otherwise, good question, but you gave the answer yourself.
zg2000fs
@HGH Agreed Mata and Oscar need to hit the gym to develop more physically. Hazard looks a natural athlete, and physically hold his own.
syed230183_chelseafc
@syed, I'm afraid u've inadvertently veered off-target, so to speak, as our need for a proper DM/CM(pivot) is already well documented here on VC and elsewhere. And u can be sure Jose will definitely buy guys, so that point, I'm afraid appears moot! I guess what @cfc250 was trying to bring out was HOW Jose will utilize Mata, our best player(in the absolute sense), as opposed to how he will function with any new addition(s) to the team(which is relative), no?
HGH Magic
He needs 2 be more physical
Oladsomething
Well,i commend your efforts for this article but i must say i dis-agree with all of the above. You claim to know the future by saying we will defend against top sides in Europe....are you saying we arent a top side? The only reason we have been defending in Europe was cos we didnt have a balanced team. With Mou coming,the team will be strengthened and we should play how we want to....and if there is a reason to defend,we will. Im sorry but I totally disagree with the whole point of your article.
3nity
He needs 2 be more physical
Oladsomething
We got bullied against those top sides because our pivot was non-existent and Mata never got enough of the ball......has nothing to do with his ability nor Oscar's. Its not about bulking up.....Iniesta and co are not bulky.
3nity
i believe that the solution to this is a slight change in the formation to 4-2-1-3. With 2 defensive midfielders like romeu and ake and mata playing just ahead of them. This way we use his vision in distribution of the ball and use hazard and moses as outright wingers. This way we have a compact midfield. But i still believe oscar is more suited while playing a tight midfield game.
Blue India
There are very good Pivot players out there, If JM can get 1 or 2 of them & correct our defensive lapses we will become better & unleash the beast in Mata. He is unbenchable, better than Ozil, JM likes Mids that can bang in goals, Mata have 20 goals plus 36 assists this season, he can score and create. Mata looks like a ghost in big European games cos our Pivot players cant control the game and get the ball to him. Players like Mata feed on possession. Ozil has been crap this season(especially in the UCL) and JM keeps playing him. I see no reason why he will bench Mata.
SameX
Did I miss something, has Jose been appointed Chelsea Manager?! Sorry but I not a fan of counting chickens before they've hatched, no matter how well developed they may be!
SpanishBlue
@HGH No mate, it is related. @cfc250 is talking about Mata's struggles in Europe and how Jose will use him in Europe, right? Jose will use him let's say in his normal position. So in Europe we usually don't have possession. So what can Mata do except drop back and defend. If our pivot as samex and others have also noted above can retain possession and provide the ball to Mata to use, he will be more dangerous in addition to set piece duties. The more possession Mazacar have the better for us attacking wise. To retain the ball and transition quicker we need a quality pivot which as you say will be rectified. Then we can judge Mata, who does need to build up a bit more muscle as well as oscar, but both have played crazy number of games w/o injury and were still amazing against Everton in last game of season.
syed230183_chelseafc
@syed.Madrid and Inter(apart from the 2nd leg at the Camp Nou when Inter were already leading 3-1) don't park the bus,unlike us.We parked the bus against Benfica also.Madrid and Inter had a lot of the ball,unlike us.We defend too deep against top sides in Europe.So,I really don't understand what Mourinho will do with Mata.Agreed that pivot would solve a part of the problem.
cfc250
3nity.Iniesta is the master of what Mata is good that.And don't forget Barca have a system that is suited to the entire squad.They are the best at what they do.
cfc250
Again SameX and Syed,as I mentioned in my article,please don't bring Mata's domestic performances into consideration.I am talking about EUROPE.Europe is the problem.In the PL,he is the best player by a mile.I don't think fatigue was a factor in losing 3-0 to Juve and 2-1 to Shakhtar.We did not even reach half of the season by that time.
cfc250
gotta agree with you @syed here.Who said we will be defending against top sides??Mazacar wasnt in sync in the UCL mainly because of the pivot hence why Mata was anonymous.Why would we defend when its clear that our strength is retaining possession and attack the opponent? Heck even Iniesta with a pivot like ours will get run over by the likes of Sharktar,Bayern etc. Yes Mata wasnt good in UCL but it was because of the team setup and tactics which clearly doesnt suit him rather than Mata's inability in big UCL games.
bluekid
Bluekid.We can't even control possession against a mediocre Benfica.What makes you guys think we will attack?And Mourinho loves to defend.
cfc250
@cfc250- mate we can't defend deep against teams in Europe because we don't have the personnel to do it. This team is suited to pressing, regaining and keeping possession and utilising the 3 CAM's but again we need a quality pivot to do that in Europe. In PL we get away with it. Mata will be more useful in Europe to us if we strive for better possession. Even in a counter attacking game, we will need quicker transition from defence to attack through pivot to Mazacar. Again that will help Mata. And mate you need to understand we didnt have much possession did we against Juve and Shakhtar. They took advantage of our pivot and overran us in midfield. What can Mata do except drop back and defend. You are only looking at Mata and not the team and system. We parking the bus against Benfica was a deliberate tactic to conserve energy, considering our workload and fixture list plus non existent bench. 2nd half we improved. Plus Mata has both assists. But again we didnt have possession in midfield and our pivot got overran. The fatigue factor can't be used in CL, you are right, but the team was new and system was new and RDM was inexperienced to implement cohesion to a disjointed 11.
syed230183_chelseafc
what do.you think is the reason we park the bus in europe? because don't have good pivot players. they know they can't dectate the game. henc they go full on defence. since they don't do their jobs, attackers are starved of ball. we were putting in one fter one strong performances in europe when we had ballack, makelele and the bison. these 2-3 were warriors and look whats happening after they left. we could never replace them. lampard's goal create a smoke screen around him. how many goals lampard have scored in europe? not many. hence he becomes redundant in the european games. and thats the reason we are considered so passive in europe. and you say we will do same even after mourinho arrives? well do you think our board is fool to hire mourinho for that? we are hiring mourinho to.take us to next level. and downgrade us. as SameX said, put martinez bastian there and give a top striker and you will eat your words.
ChampionBlue
@cfc250 Thats the thing, we NEED to control possession. Benfica is not mediocre mate, quite the opposite, but that's another matter. And whhat Jose will do (if he is our next gaffer) remains to be seen. But defending deep is no use to Mata or the set of players we have right now.
syed230183_chelseafc
well and add lampard at his peak in those warriors
ChampionBlue
ChampionBlue.Why are we bringing Mourinho?To take us to the next level?No man.We are hiring him because no top manager wants to manage a club where there is no assurance of job security.Mourinho will play attacking footy in the PL,but we will defend deep in the CL against top sides.Lampard scored four in Europe last season and don't forget that his two passes to Ramires kicked Barca out of the CL.
cfc250
ChampionBlue.I agree about Makelele and Ballack.We miss them.
cfc250
@Cfc250.The problem is not on Mata or any personel for that matter but in the pivot.Once a pivot or midfield is overrun,the is nothing your best players can do about it.I gave you an example in Iniesta.Revisit Iniesta vs Fc Bayern both legs or Ozil vs Borrussia.The tactics applied hurt our team especially the attacking players most and it will be foolish for the next manager to employ park the bus with Mata,Hazard,Oscar etc in the team considering when we try to counter our pivot players cant even pass the ball or hold the ball for these guys to move into good positions.
bluekid
Syed.We can't control possession man.We don't have the players.As you are saying,pivot is the problem.Until and unless,we get someone like Yaya Toure(not him but someone similar).We don't have the personnel to defend deep?All the players are used to defending and parking the bus.Why am I only looking at Mata?Because,Hazard has a better work-rate(something that will suit JM),he has more pace than Mata and he will be useful on counter.And I am looking at the system(not only Mata) and knowing Jose,I think we will park the bus in the CL against top sides(just like we did against Barca and Bayern).What I don't understand is Mata's role in this system?What is he supposed to do?
cfc250
Bluekid.You are spot on regarding the pivot.But the clueless board is looking to purchase CFs rather than completing the task of a strong pivot.
cfc250
Mata is good in counterattacking football especially when space opens up and he can pick a pass or take a shot himself. In Europe the pass gets cut off at the source. We need to keep hold of the ball. See @cfc250 I am going over the same point again and again LOL. Possession, Pivot, transition, Mata etc
syed230183_chelseafc
Syed.But we won't play possession footy in Europe.If thats the case and the pivot is strengthened,75% of the problem is solved,but we won't play that kind of footy in the CL.
cfc250
Man.Space doesn't open up in Europe so easily.This is not the PL.We are competing with the best and space does not open up that easily.
cfc250
@cfc250 Mate you said Inter hardly parked the bus, and when we had Ballack, makelele we imposed ourselves. Jose was the coach. Why assume we will only defend? You said it, we need to bring in pivot players good enough to keep possession, that's what I have been saying over and over!!!!!!!!!! Yes we can defend deep but we don't have the right personnel to do it. We have personnel who are selfless like Mata and Oscar, who drop deep to cover and adapt. Mata may not have the pace, but he still is putting in a shift.
syed230183_chelseafc
I think we definately need a Modric/Benat/Gundogan/Fernandinho type of signing along with a Khedhira/Bender for our pivot and every query we have on Mata in the UCL will be answered.TBH its not only in the UCL,remember the City game this season.We were overrun left right and centre because of our pivot
bluekid
@cfc250 why so negative? We will buy pivots man, relax!! If not we are screwed, but our weakness is well documented and Jose or whomever will know where to add personnel. You seem hell bent on thinking we will just defend!!
syed230183_chelseafc
Bluekid.I prefer Gundagon.But I am not sure if Klopp will sell.Syed,you are quite right,but the clowns in the board are worrying me.Absolutely no scouting for pivot players.The whole world knows that pivot has been Chelsea's problem for a long time.Even rival fans understand that.
cfc250
@bluekid agreed with all your points above
syed230183_chelseafc
Cfc250 I prefer Gundogan too.If rumours are to be believed and if Jose is indeed coming,its reported he's been watching our matches for the past couple of months.Clearly he will know we definately need an upgrade in the pivot department
bluekid
Players like Mikel,Lampard and Ramires(no matter how great these three are) are not suited for the pivot.
cfc250
Well, @syed, I give it to u mate. Just that it seems we're flogging this pivot issue a tad too much imho; it'd be fixed, trust me.
HGH Magic
Well @cfc250 agree with u on the pivot transfer issue. There has barely been a linkup. It's either that we are waiting for manager to be in place or that we are satisfied with Lamps, Rami, Romeu, Mikel, Ake etc or Essien will be added so no need to purchase another CM. I hope it's the former and if it's the latter then we are doomed.
syed230183_chelseafc
@HGH mate u need to convince cfc250 b'coz I believe him and feel depressed now LOLL
syed230183_chelseafc
cfc250 - good article mate... in my opinion, we shouldn't play the defensive RDM style under Mourinho... It should be more like Guus Hiddink's style, which wasn't defensive... it's a fast counter attacking style rather than defensive........... firstly, the key to play a good counter attacking footy is having the right players in our central midfield and in the back line...... Cole, Dave, Luiz and Iva would be my ideal choices for the back-line...... Luiz and Iva can intercept the ball and press the opposition defenders faster than JT and Cahill and are better than them in distribution of the ball to their team mates....... Cole and Cesar have to improve their attacking contributions... I'm not too worried about Cesar but if Cole performs all season similar to Aston Villa away, it would be great.................. we don't have good CMs... Ramires has an excellent work rate but can't pass the ball... If we partner him with someone like Fellaini, it would be better... but IMO the best midfield partnership would be Fellaini and Khedira... it pains me to say this but if we could sell Ramires and Mikel and buy Fellaini and Khedira, it would be better...... they are both hard workers and can pass the ball better and are excellent in aerial battles, plus they're young.... I said sell Ramires just because of Chalobah's future........... now Mata's job would be a lot easier because he won't be required to track back all the time to contribute in defense.... but my suggestion is this : put Oscar in the middle with Fellaini and Khedira behind him..... Mata on the right wing and Hazard on the left ...... Schurrle and Moses will compete with Mata and Hazard......... another thing that can make the job easier for Mata is having a hard working CF who is excellent at positioning and also is strong enough to hold the ball and free some space for the three amigos to roam forward... a Drogba-type striker.... not someone who is only excellent at finishing and positioning..... Cavani and Falcao and Lewandowski can play that role..... Lewandowski is out of our reach..... Falcao is great but Cavani is more of a physical presence and is better at aerial battles....
The Persian
@cfc250 read this article posted by @blue1989 on another thread, --------http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4935837/Jose-Mourinho-draws-up-Chelsea-wish-list.html---------------let's pray this is the truth!! LOL
syed230183_chelseafc
@ The persian agree with almost everything except selling Ramires. I don't mind Mikel but I think Essien should go instead. Rami has been very valuable and can be useful in counterattacking games and in PL especially. In CL can be impact player. He scores some big goals at big moments.
syed230183_chelseafc
mourinho is not yet our manager...it would make much sense if we are discussing this after his appointment..
Ken4CFC
Essiens more suited to the pivot than mikel. If we sell one it should be mikel. Mainly because he's actually worth some money. And Essien will only last a few years which means the youth get a chance.
Humza_96
IMO the problem with Mata in european matches is that he can't dominate the midfield, defend and attack at the same time..... the bottom line is we have to dominate the possession of the ball so we can get the best out of Mata..... we can do so in League matches but not so much in CL matches...... we need better pivot players so we can dominate possession........
The Persian
@cfc250, excuse me mate, but doesn't it sound a bit preposterous to claim we'll be "parking the bus" and "playing defensively" in Europe when Jose returns? Hmm, u know one would've thought since Jose left Madrid acrimoniously and all that... he definitely will be playing as though he has a thing or two to prove in Europe, no? Well, if I must say, beat the pessimism and undue cynicism and look up the brighter alley, mate. Cheers!
HGH Magic
@Syed - that's true and I don't want to lose Ramires either, but I said we should sell him only because we can make money and buy another CM who would be better suited to our plans....... and I don't think selling Essien would do us much financial goods... however, we should sell him anyway.....
The Persian
@ken4cfc sighhh man u ruined our fantasy party!!!! LOLLL
syed230183_chelseafc
only midfielder we should have kept are ramires and romeu and lampard in case of tactical switch. or for another option and 2 highly skilled cm's. but i think nathan ake has given our board a good food for thought. and yes, everyone of us is forgetting romeu. does nobody here rates romeu?
ChampionBlue
Imo mata came as a winger and later was used as a no,10 as we had no creative players.the give and bung players in that time failed to unlock teams and Roman brought mazacar whom to my opinion MOU can not rattle.all said and done mata or oscar will play ozil role,hazard play ronaldo role as a L. winger.and to the right moses and new winger will be needed ie Hulk or Pabon of R.Betis.To solve all those CL Mauling, Jose will be mandeted to have both technical and physical type of players like benat fellaini gomez strootman capour etc.
mzee69
ChampionBlue - I do very much
The Persian
Imo mata came as a winger and later was used as a no,10 as we had no creative players.the give and bung players in that time failed to unlock teams and Roman brought mazacar whom to my opinion MOU can not rattle.all said and done mata or oscar will play ozil role,hazard play ronaldo role as a L. winger.and to the right moses and new winger will be needed ie Hulk or Pabon of R.Betis.To solve all those CL Mauling, Jose will be mandeted to have both technical and physical type of players like benat fellaini gomez strootman capour etc.
mzee69
sorry 4 the typo.
mzee69
Persian.I would rather have Lukaku than Falcao/Cavani.ChampionBlue.We have to experiment with Romeu and see.And yes Nathan Ake is a good shout too.
cfc250
@HGH Magic.I prefer trophies over style anyday and I am convinced Mourinho is the best in the business to deliver trophies.
cfc250
@championblue I like a Romeu too!!
syed230183_chelseafc
I like * Romeu too
syed230183_chelseafc
nice to.know somebodybrates and like him. tomeu has never got a fair chance to prove himself. his chelsea career has been start stop. he was used by avb. dumped by rdm. this gain dumped by rm and then just when he was about to play continuosly 3-4 months under rafa, the miserable.injusry occured. i hope he get fair chance under mourinho.
ChampionBlue
I must admit that this discussion looks lively.i may be tempted 2 ask if mata's resources are being utilised well while playing @ #10 or if he should be moved to the wing.
blue5
@sued.. i.really hope whatever written in that sun article is true. i think if thats true, then jose clear is coming back to do something which everybody thought and said he was incapable of. i.e developig youth and long term stay. and partly i think he will be feeling sorry that he wasn't even considered for man u job. so may be he is coming back to prove his doubters that he is just not any one. he is "the special one". and thats why we might be fortunate to appoint him at this stage of his career where he wants to do something new. and he is also done with his european tour now. so that he concentrate on his long term future in london and at cobham training centre.
ChampionBlue
Mata can play an inverted winger on right side in a 4-3-3 with Haz on other side and Oscar in a 3 man midfield. Or in a 4-4-2 mata can play as support striker!! All depends on the manager though. We need to sort that quickly. Then striker and pivot.
syed230183_chelseafc
As we continue with this discussion,am honoured 2 ask the members their views on playing 4231,n sticking with mazcar.i personally think mata n oscar plays too much at each other n sometimes offering little width especially while playing with a team sitting too deep.
blue5
@blue5 you are correct. sometimes we can be ineffective on right side. but plus is that whoever plays on right is very well supported by azpi. he keeps on firing in crosses. but really needs to improve quality of his crosse. at which sagna of arsenal i really good. azpi needs to fire in those pinpoint crosses like sagna or lahm.
ChampionBlue
For me the truth is that playing Mata and Lampard at the same time is lethal for the team,despite them being the most serious goal threat of our current team.They are both too slow and do not mark effectively. We should kick Lampard from the pivot where he is utterly useless and restore him on his regular position - CAM to make these amazing runs typical for him and alternate him with Mata to keep both of them sharp.Oscar is not a winger and we shouldn't waste his talent by forcing him out of position. Instead we should let him pull the strings from the pivot because he has the aggression, discipline and the passing range to link the defence with the attack and combine him with a powerful player able to boss the midfield (let it be chalobah please!)Bring in a quality winger with pace and creativity for Jose's counter attacking style and let Mata initiate the counters with through balls to one of Hazard,the centre forward and the other winger.We need speed that kills and we will be a fearsome opposition.But the Mazacar project is doomed to failure in this formation we need two wingers and a cam while we keep using only one winger and two cams.
Simeon23
@cfc, there u are! Said it all already urself; why were u then disturbing the sweet peace&moaning&complaining about our playing style in Europe lately? The last time I checked it was winning us trophies mate, and heck, even the Madrids, the Bayerns and the Dortmunds of Europe who have all not won any sort of continental trophy for sometime now wouldn't mind winning one anyhow now, would they?
HGH Magic
And pls correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't BVB essentially parking the bus against Mourinho's Madrid during the 2nd leg of the semi-final a forthnight ago?
HGH Magic
@Simeone23.. i don't think.lampard can.compete with mata for cam position. naah. mata is not only goal threat like lampard. he is virtually hub of our attack. lampard is great at first time flicks and touches but that would make him one dimensional in cam position where some times you have to.have close control little bit dribbling an lampard posses none. for eg; do you remember how mata took the ball away and in between from 2 defenders agains swansea in the act of winning penalty ?? thats what a cam does. and lamps isn't a cam. he is not even suitable in pivot. only position lamps is best at is left of middle 3 in 4-3-3.
ChampionBlue
At the risk of sounding like a broken chord, I'll seize this opportunity to reiterate the point I'd been making in about two of my earlier articles: Chelsea lost it when the sold Meireles & sent Essien on loan in one fell swoop without adequately&sufficiently replacing them! Oscar was only just arriving!!! #Lol
HGH Magic
Our midfield need some more muscles!
HGH Magic
*needs
HGH Magic
Mata and Oscar need more bulking up?????? LOL!!!!!!! That is terrific football assessment, HGH Magic. :() And Spanish Blue is right .....THIS IS ALL PREMATURE EJACULATION ABOUT JOSE! Wait till he actually shows up for Pete's or Christ's sake!
Squig
Lets not presume Jose is our manager until he has confirmed. In repsonse to the article, I think Jose or whoever our next manager is will use Mata just like RDM + Raf have - play him centrally behind the main striker as our number 10 as that is his absolute best position and it is there he has won 2x player of the season awards. PL or UCL I dont think that changes in terms of where he plays and how he plays. Just put him where he likes to play and let him do his thing. As per some of the other comments, issue is making sure he has good enough cover behind him as he is not the best defensivly and is given enough of the ball to do what he does best. I dont think his position is in any way going to be at risk.. I think ST, RW and CM are where there will be changes to personal from what we are used to..
BlueKiwi
HGH Magic.I wasn't complaining mate.You misunderstood me,I think.I was just expressing my worries and misunderstood.I have faith in Mourinho,but its mysterious how he'll use Mata if the pivot problem is not solved.
cfc250
oscar isn't the one who gets bullied that easily as some might think by his appearance.
ChampionBlue
Spot on ChampionBlue.And not to forget he's 21.Physicality develops with age also.
cfc250
@cfc250 great article, the more i think about it, the more i think mazacar is dead, honestly, not all of them but, dont think well be seeing the three at once, maybe one will be used as a super sub and they rotate to keep fresh, who knows, but the question i oppose to people is this........... during mourinhos first reign he told players that CECH TERRY MAKELE LAMPARD AND DROGBA where the spine of our team! anyone elses name that was not on the board, he said, and i qoute "Its not because you are not good enough but this is my spine, and the rest have to earn thier spots! "............... Now would he be able to do that with our current list? what is our current spine? keeping in mind 'defensive attributes as well' and when you look further, its not hard to see big changes ahead! It DOESNT COME DOWN TO ONE PIVOT PLAYER THAT IS NONSENSE, this is a team sport and if we rely on 'ONE' pivot player, hence one 'route', id be sure teams would see this and shut him down quickly!!!!!!!!!!! @HUMZA i agree with you on ESSIEN! great point
CrazySea
Well some disturbing reports saying Jose will sell Luiz wen he comes!!!!?/
syed230183_chelseafc
Did I here that we need to fix the pivot for Mazacar to function efficiently in CL in big games? Why do we extend the contract of our mediocre pivot players. With them in the team chelsea will be always defending deep to accommodate the Demigods.
derfmesh
When we go ultra defensive in Europe, Mata is Useless...No point in comparing his stats in EPL & Europe....Chelsea dont play same way in EPL & Europe.
Blu_run
Roman/Emenalo will have to lay out the agenda here. Players have been brought and money invested heavily for a certain style of play. This includes Mata,Oscar, Hazard, Luiz, Rami, Azpi, Moses, Romeu etc. So trying to cut up or selling off players and changing will only set us back. Our issue is the pivot, striker, and additional support to Mazacar in a versatile winger/forward. Plus various options from loaned out and youth players available too.
syed230183_chelseafc
One thing i know is mata thrives well in games where we have more possession.like many have said,once the pivot fails mata also fails.so for me,mata can play in europe if we have good pivot players who can hold the ball n distribute it well.pivot players who are hardworking that when we loose ball possession they work hard to retain it back thus allowing mata to stay upfront n not hustling the ball where he just fails always.
blue5
This squad has developed a unity, chemistry and understanding in a really tough and crazy season, which had 70 games to be precise!! It will be a setback to hack up the squad in search of quick trophies. We are moving in the right direction and certain additions will give us bench strength and depth to negotiate and compete across all competitions.
syed230183_chelseafc
syed.Luiz is Roman's kid's favourite.Roman won't sell.
cfc250
@cfc250- that's good to know LOL
syed230183_chelseafc
I have said it over and over again, that mata can't be our no.10 with our current pivot, oscar is more suited as an ideal no.10, @cfc250 is right in assessing mata and it is not in UCL games alone but against a physical side in the pl and city comes to mind, the only way he can be the best and replicate his league form in big games is if he is played with two no nonsense ball playing pivot players, or if he is played on the wings, ask urself why he still seats on the bench and doesn't get more than 5-15 minutes at most with the spanish national team? It is because of his deficiencies, even fabregas gets more playing time than him
Desmondadonis
@syed spot on with ur analysis ^^^^
Desmondadonis
A thought to consider. In the last few weeks we have been linked with 5 strikers, that we might miss on all of them: Rooney (probably will stay at manure), Cavani (Man city bound), Falcao (PSG, Monaco), Lewa (Bayern) and Gomez (just hasn't the quality to lead the cfc frontline). Now lets say we buy one of them, what will happen to Lukaku, will he be our nu.2 for 5/6 years-I do not think so. Considering that it is practicaly imposible to sell Torres and he doen't want to leave, plus the club is still in transition, what if we keep Torres and Lukaku for the next season. Lukaku might develope in the next 2/3 years to the level of the strikers above and Torres improved a lot towards the end of the season. Just being objective. I would like to know your opinions since, no one mentioned this before.
icebluelg
In the pivot as a DM, we have 3 good young prospects: Romeu, Ake and Chalobah. The one position that we have realy no proper players is CM's for the pivot. Maybe Oscar, KdB and McEhran are the most suited for the spot, but for neither of them is this their natural position. Alonso and Gundogan are set to stay with their clubs. Who are the realistic possiblities? Maybe Modric (but he sits on the bench for Mou), Benat (set for At. Bilbao), so who?
icebluelg
@Squig - YES Mata and Oscar need more "bulking up" to do, as u put it! So I dunno what's funny there. Those guys get pushed about a tad too much by physical sides not just in Europe but also here back home - the Evertons, the City's, the Liverpools and the So'tons of this league! If u don't agree, well I guess u know u don't necessarily have to, no? And FYI, there's no way in hell Mourinho gets to continue playing Mazacar together once the much clamored-for proper CM and RW arrives, trust me! Watch this space mate...
HGH Magic
@Simeon23, great points - u really understand these dynamics mate!
HGH Magic
@Simeon23, great points - u really understand these dynamics mate!
HGH Magic
*funny how some guys still think Jose won't be our next coach!!! LOL *Smh ;) ^^^
HGH Magic
Good article mate @cfc250.what else? Time will tell.
obimikelisdbest
Yeah mate, what else? U know say money no be problem...
HGH Magic
Yeah mate, what else? U know say money no be problem...
HGH Magic
Mikel is more suited to a 4-3-3.Same goes for Lampard and Ramires.These two are not suited to the 4-2-3-1 until and unless Lampard plays behind the striker.Essien and Luiz will be more effective in the pivot.
cfc250
Tubby has been approached by PSG.Thank god.
cfc250
I have another worry to think about. What will happen if Jose doesn't rate Mata. The man who is going to take charge in Madrid is a big fan of our own same Mata. The same man recommended him to Roman while he was in charge of us few years back during when we started to think about squad overhaul. Now comes my point - Mata was a player of Madrid Youth product and native madrista. What will happen if Madrid come calling for him with a manger who likes him. I am worried about whether his mind will twist from Chelsea to Madrid...
captnTERRYfic
BTW,what the hell is going on?Why does every player talk about Mourinho's return everyday turn by turn?One day its Terry,another day its Lampard,followed by Ivanovic,Ba,Mikel,Luiz,Torres,Mata,Cech and Cahill is the latest person to talk about Mourinho's return.Why do they have to do that in the media?Lampard is talking about him in the media everyday.He is unable to control his excitement.I personally think that the deal is already done.
cfc250
captnterry.If the price is good enough,I don't mind.
cfc250
Real Madrid and Barcelona are considering a move for Chelsea defender David Luiz. The Brazilian could become an early casualty of incoming boss Jose Mourinho, who has concerns about the 26-year-old's defensive abilities...ahem :)
@Mq
@cfc250- that's why I was saying in an earlier post, that the way Lamps has been mooning over Jose esp. the last 72 hrs. it seems like it's inevitable, for me the news may have leaked to the players, Jose is in touch with some of them personally through text messages. Is there anyone left who hasn't talked about Jose coming? Wait Marin of all people also spoke about Jose coming!! LMAO
syed230183_chelseafc
@cfc250 Mata like Luiz is a Roman favorite as well!
syed230183_chelseafc
Syed.Exactly.Players should control their excitement.All of them are talking about his return.Even Torres,Ba and Cahill.My goodness.All this shows that the deal is done.Lampard is over-excited.Yeah,you are right about Mata.
cfc250
mq smiles when a negative event occurs for chelsea. says it all.
arbor9
I think the players are asked about Jose regularly hence the responses SYED but I'm sure they are excited about his "2nd coming" although I'm curious why Marin would be excited, does he really think Jose fancies him?? LoL
@Mq
@cfc250 - It is going a little overboard but rest are new and young. What's with Lamps? Why is he getting so giddy? He thinks Jose is going to play him every game and let him do what he wants???
syed230183_chelseafc
Mourinho, a strange man.. He claims that the love for him has dried up while all he does is dish out hate and brew poison. What did he say about Wenger, Pellegrini? Where is Anders Frisk? Villanova slap or whatever it was? This is a man who waits for refs in car parking lots. As late as last week, we walked into the ref's dressing room and shouted "go celebrate with them" after losing to Atleti. And he is wondering why no love? I hope that Abramovic is a very loving man...
@Mq
@Mq - LOL Marin would be out of the door first!!! Even Torres!! They are trying to butter him up LOL
syed230183_chelseafc
So @syed, let's debate some sensible football, what are your opinions about our current squad and hoe many players you sincerely think mou would buy to revamp the squad?
Desmondadonis
I have concerns about his defensive abilities too but if anyone can sort him out it's Jose and if he does, then we will have a truly wonderful player on our books!
SpanishBlue
Lol @Mc, u clown - u nearly 'killed' me with laughter(Fergie Van Persie/Williams style) about Marin!!! LMFAO... ;) Are u kidding me? Rotflol...
HGH Magic
@Desmond, 4 players tops! A no.2 'keeper, CF, CM and Winger!!!
HGH Magic
And mate, pls don't revamp. Just reinforce!
HGH Magic
@desmondadonis - Actually @cfc250 might just get annoyed at me b'coz I keep saying the same thing in his thread LOL!! For me as everyone knows the pivot is the most contentious issue!! Again ASSUMING we will play 4-2-3-1 system. I want 2 CM's, one defensively astute playmaker who can retain and distribute the ball well,the other can be a specialist holding CM, as we have neither type to be honest. Our pivot has been a makeshift one all season with different combinations thrown in again and again. And of course the striker situation is well documented. I expect Schurrle deal to go through. But we are running out of options on strikers as other teams are moving quick and most of them need a striker as well. We may well get stranded. So I guess 4 players at least. Players like Ferreira, Malouda, Benayoun,Turnbull, Hilario will leave. Plus Marin's future is up for debate. We will have to see about Ba and Torres. Mikel for me is a question mark as he hasn't played once since that game against Man City in FA cup semi and we have coped quite well. He is weakest link in a 4-2-3-1 system. We'll have to see what Jose does I guess.
syed230183_chelseafc
@ HGH - yes agreed reinforce not revamp. Backup keeper needed, forgot that. that makes 5 players for me.
syed230183_chelseafc
LoL I can imagine Marin being a starter under Jose LoL
@Mq
@syed its revamp for me, the squad needs improvement, at least four players are leaving as u rightly summed up ferreira,hilario,benayoun and perhaps turnbull, malouda too, I see us getting a hot striker, a CM and a winger with one utility player
Desmondadonis
the 1 plus I can expect from Jose is the dropping or harassing of Mikel till he starts playing quicker because he's awfully slow
@Mq
@desmond due to shortage of options we may have to look for some left field options as far as strikers is concerned say a Soldado/Negredo/Cardozo and we may end up needing Lukaku more than we think
syed230183_chelseafc
Mata has been shiet in CL because teams know how to stop him, simple. Our pivot is shiet, I hope we sign right players so that we don't have to pay double for them in January 2014 and people/manager can’t use it as an excuse that our striker/s, pivot, defence is shiet that is why we are not doing good in Europe and EPL.
B2K420
Mina Rzouki ‏@Minarzouki Pellegrini has announced his impending departure from Malaga
syed230183_chelseafc
ManUre announced Moyes' appointment 2 (or was that 3) matches before the season ended. The 'hesitation' on our part means there's always going to be the "eyes at the back of your head" kind of working environment. I don't see this going far
@Mq
@syed LOL, u "want" but we don't need 2 CMs mate!
HGH Magic
@Mc, #Nonsense
HGH Magic
C'mon now HIGH LoL you know I'm right. This is similar to what happened with RDM, the fact that we waited to make the decision obviously with Pep in mind, except now it's not so much "who is better" but "do we really need him" because trust me if we did he'd be confirmed AGES ago
@Mq
Have you wondered why Inter aren't being touted for/with Jose?? Don't you think Inter need some1 of that caliber to take them to the top?? Or is it because they know they don't have the funds to fund his coming ;)
@Mq
@Mq zzzzzzzzzzz
syed230183_chelseafc
@MQ,maybe inter knows jose wont go there cz they'l not be playing CL next year.just maybe!if they know that,it will not make sense for them 2 chase him.
blue5
why ManC & Chelsea are delaying their managerial appointment...no idea...i want Jose to sign for PSG, Pelligrini to Chelsea and Rafa to ManC....if this happens, will be more happy
Blu_run
Well Mata himself talking of Jose's coming @cfc250 LOL
syed230183_chelseafc
 

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