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I have read with disgust some of the opinions of some commenters here on VC in the last few weeks regarding the situation with Mata, david Luiz , Cesar Aspiliceuta etc that have had limited minutes thus far this season.

Let me be clear I am one of the greatest admirers of Mata not just as a player but as a person. I have been on record when many were drooling over hazard and Oscar as describing Mata as the closet thing to the Chelsea player I revere most; the Siciilan genius Gian Franco Zola. I say all this because like many I love Mata but as far as club footie my allegiance is first and foremost to Chelsea FC and this exceeds my affinity for Mata, Jose or any other person within the Chelsea hierarchy including Roman himself. The club existed before any of these persons and will God willing continue to exist after each and everyone of these persons move on.

It is one thing to be disappointed that a player one likes is not seeing as much time on the pitch as you would like but is another thing entirely to say and write some of the errant nonsense I have been reading on VC recently. Interestingly a few of the exact same childish persons who clearly only started following Chelsea in the recent Roman era peddle the exact same ridiculous comments on other Chelsea blogs I visit. For so called fans of this club to decide that the best way for players to respond if they are not picked to play for a few matches is to hand in transfer requests in the winter window and to then go on foul mouthed tirades abusing the current manager and asking for his sack (and this after the team just won a BPL match too) is just baffling. With "fans" like this who needs enemies for the club? This is the sort of childish, immature behavior that has earned Chelsea fans a reputation of being "plastic" fair weather "fans" who have no real actual affiliation to the club but are merely seekers of glory in the now. It is just embarrassing honestly.

Fortunately Mata himself has shown way more maturity and class than some commenters here. I wont rehearse the reasons behind the limited time that some of these players have had on the pitch so far this season. Jose has been quite explicit explaining why so as to dispel the fiction and lies that much of the media peddle on these matters (media outlets that have never liked us anyway and so why fans would believe these rags rather than the words of Jose himself beats me). People may disagree with Jose`s reasons for his actions but I daresay that none of us have half the experience the guy has, none of us have even managed one top tier footie team, none of us has his neck on the line if and when mistakes are made or the project fails, none of us has his reputation on the line. None of us has been tasked by Roman to change the style of play of our team with players he has largely inherited, he does.

Furthermore in case guys saying some of these things are in a trance the league season is just 5 games old!!! At least for mata and Luiz both have had opportunities to start so far this season and neither has been stellar. That is the honest truth. It is interesting that there is no such outcry that players like Ba, Cesar, Essien etc have not seen as any significant pitch time either. This makes it clear that all this angst is personality driven rather than genuine concern for the good of the team.

I mention Ozil and Robben above because both players were faced with situations similar to this where their regular starting positions were questioned by their managers. Heynckes demanded that Robben needed to be a more complete player and contribute on both sides of the ball. Till he got with the program Tony Kroos was preferred despite the preceeding Bayern legend of the Robery connection. Robben learnt his lesson and rather than pout or hand in a transfer request, rather than take the easy way out and transfer elsewhere he decided to buckle down and the moment Kroos got injured and Robben had another chance he played like a man possessed tracking back, tackling, working like a maniac of the ball. He did it all and in the latter half of Bayern`s season last year he was arguably their best and most influential player. He answered Heynckes on the pitch and his evolution as a player during that period ensured that even with the arrival of Pep his place in the side was secure.

This same sort of scenario arose with the goal keeping situation at Real. Jose made a decision based on who was performing best at training; who was doing all the things he wanted and it was Diego Lopez. Rather than knuckling down and working harder Casillas used the media to curry for favor and try to get his spot back by media circus rather than hard work. He allowed the lies to be peddled suggesting it was all a personal vendetta. Well Ancelloti came and saw exactly the same thing and made the same decision..that Diego Lopez was the better keeper on current form (not on history or legendary status). Casillas has continued to pout and use the media to fight his battle rather than knuckling down and doing the hard work required to win his way back into the side.

Mesut Ozil is another contemporary example. The arrival of Isco to the Real side meant more competition for starting spots. Dimaria and Ozil were the persons who were at risk and would need to work harder to earn their places especially as Isco is Spanish and seen as the next big thing in Spain. Di maria was vocal in saying he was going no-where and wanted to fight for his place at Real. He was willing to work extra hard to earn and secure his place and he had Ronaldo even lobby hard to insist on his retention. Ozil on the other hand decided to take the easy way out, rather than stay and compete, rather than work harder where the lights are brightest he decided it was better to go to a place where his starting spot was guaranteed with minimal efforts hence his move to the gunners so he could ultimately be sure of his spot on the Mannscraft side. It was his choice but time will tell if it was the right one.

Mata and others who are presently having limited minutes on our side are not in the dark about what Jose expects of them. For all his faults few people who actually know the man would say he is duplicitous. He is on the other hand said by both friends and detractors to be very direct and clear with his players as to his expectations. On Tuesday Mata and others who have had limited minutes thus far will have a chance against diminished quality opposition in Swindon town to make their case on the field of play. I expect them as professionals who love this club and who have a point to prove (rather than being crybabies and pouting kids like some posters on this forum) to put on a performance to remember. To totally and thoroughly dominate Swindon. To put on a performance that showcases their quality and ability and so make Jose`s team picking process for bigger games to be even more difficult than it is now. That is the way it is in the biggest clubs worldwide and is the beauty and pain of having adequate squad depth.

I feel Mata and others like Cesar and Luiz will make their claims to starting places as the season progresses but if they ultimately decide to take the route of Ozil or Casillas it wont be the end of Chelsea FC. There are always other players that can be brought in willing to work hard and compete for their place on the squad and understand the dynamics that exist in top squads with considerable squad depth. The club must come first..no player or personality , no manager or agenda is more important than the big picture of what is best for the team. I hope those here whose vision of Chelsea revolves around one player or person would either get their priorities right or simply move on with said player(s) or personalities when and if they decide to go elsewhere. What is transpiring with Spurs since they sold Bale should be instructive; no one player is bigger than the team, no one player is indispensable..it is a team sport first and foremost. The commonality on this forum should a first and pre-eminent love for Chelsea FC. KTBFFH.



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Writer:GabeU
Date:Sunday September 22 2013
Time: 9:22PM

Comments

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you bought perezs' stories??? very surprising. Ozil chose to follow a new managers vision this doesn't mean he refused to fight for his place. By your argument almost any player who leaves a club can be accused of the same weakness. It is very simple, perez messed up and he is trying to save face and some idiots are buying the story (you included apparently) your own manager praised him highly and picked him constantly then refused to loan arsenal a player because Ozil was coming in all sign point to one single fact. Madrid messed up in letting him go not the other way round. When a couple breaks up if you ever want to know who has 'lost out' simply listen to how they talk about their ex... madrid is the boyfriend telling everyone how much of a ***** his ex girlfriend is because he wants to save face
510
22/09/2013 21:45:00
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oh and in 2 EPL appearances in his debut season he has an 88% passing percentage, 1 MOM and 3 assists (more than anyone else has managed in 5 games)
510
22/09/2013 21:50:00
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Nice one @Gabeu. I am with you, that team is above all. I totally agree with the Robben example. Ozil situation is more complicated, it usually is when Madrid are involved. Perez will say things to be on the safer side. Ozil sale was a controversial one. Arsenal are reaping the benefits now. .............
syed230183_chelseafc
22/09/2013 22:06:00
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S10 you are clearly a gunners fan. i dont do insults so i wont respond to your calling me an idiot. If you were better informed you would realize that perez is not the only source to state clearly why Ozil left. Ancelloti himself and several of Ozils former team mates at Real have stated the same. Obviously Ozil would not admit to this, he is no dope..how could he admit to that an retain any respect with his new team? The point of this article if you actually read it was not in any way to suggest that Ozil is not a top quality player..he is but to suggest he joined the gunners because of a new managers vision is laughable. The reason for his move is two names; Bale and Isco, case closed. The article anyways was not for your consumption. Enjoy the time of your team being presently on the top of the BPL but be warned this is a marathon not sprint.
GabeU
22/09/2013 22:13:00
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Hats off to this article!!!Absolutely spot on!!!!
Hazard11
22/09/2013 22:15:00
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GabeU - I don't know if I can agree with you on this one, although your articles are 99% dead on. I think Jose is gambling on Oscar too much. It would be one thing to say that Mata is having a bad season, or that Chelsea plays best without Mata - but the truth is, Chelsea has played best with Mata in the last two seasons. Just because he can be outmuscled from the ball, or is average at defending - his assists and goals more than justifies his presence. How do you justify taking away your best player out when the team is not gelling at all. I think all it does is create confusion and instability among the other players. It is no coincidence that Hazard has struggled in the last few games without Mata. I would understand it if we are playing solid, superb footie without him - but we are disjointed and without character, even worse than last season now that we are without him.
ddrogba
22/09/2013 22:18:00
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www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2013/09/04/4236071/why-real-madrid-had-to-sell-mesut-ozil espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1551302/zinedine-zidane-mesut-ozil-left-real-madrid-lack-fight?cc=5739 Its very possible ozil left madrid because of isco and bale even ozil claimed madrid lost faith in him,why would he say that if not because madrid went ahead to sign Isco and Bale which means more competition for places and from the first link above ancelloti would have preferred isco to ozil because of isco's ability to defend better(In quote ancellotti said "isco and ozil needs to learn how to defend,we need quality players and they must work defensively")...ozil knew all these and chose to leave instead of knuckle down and work harder on his defensive ability...Madrid might be wrong but for ozil to say madrid lost faith in him then it all points out to one thing "the arrival of bale and isco"
Hazard11
22/09/2013 22:31:00
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Sweet, sumptuous and lovely article.
don delsy
22/09/2013 22:31:00
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Excellent article once again Gabe. Some morons here even wrote that Mourinho has a vendetta against Spanish players . It worries me that people believed the load of tosh some pundits like Jamie Redknapp was spewing out that there is some thing sinister behind the exclusion of Mata from the team rahterbthan believing thatthe problem lies in wwhat the coach sees in training and what he wants the player to do on the pitch. The likes of hazard in recent games are developing their defensive side of the game while Mata is not. It is now normal to see hazard tracking back to support Ashley Cole than for you to see Mata doing the same thing. Two players in the tea right now that needs to work on their defensive game now is Mata and De by rune and none of them has played. So where is favoritism? Clearly Mourinho wants these two players to develop something they lack and as issue out almost the same warming to both players and I expect them to knuckle down and show him that the deserve to be in t squad. I wish people will just utilize some of their common sense that is not too common anyway and see the bigger picture. He has played 5 EPL games won 3, lost 1, drew 1 and people are already going apes hit as if he has lost the EPL already. What the FECK
Dwonder
22/09/2013 22:32:00
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Ozils assist and goals more than justified his presence at madrid too,but it was carlo that came out in one of his press conferences to say ozil and isco needs to learn how to defend...Carlo Ancelloti is another top manager who is also pointing out that a number 10 needs work defensively,we aren't managers and we have to agree sometimes that these men knows better than we do...I am not happy that mata isn't playing but if he has to work on some parts of his game to reclaim the number 10 position,then fine! And I hope he adapts quickly because we really need him...
Hazard11
22/09/2013 22:39:00
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@DDrogba..i understand you point and for the record i believe Mata is our best no 10..i think he is way better at providing for our forwards to score as well as actually scoring consistently himself than Hazard or Oscar. The point though is that thus far when he has started this season or been subbed on the old mata we know has not shown up thus far and that has made his other deficiencies more apparent. While i think Mata is our best no 10 i have no doubt that Oscar is the most complete player of the three right now. I am certain that Jose does not expect mata to ever be a defensive juggernaut..that is never going to happen but he does demand and expect that he be more committed to the cause of the team when we dont have the ball and are on the defensive. I saw a very telling slow mo analysis of the comedy of errors that led to the goal we conceded against Everton..in it you see Mata while the rest of the team was defending standing watching the play on the right flank, (doing absolutely nothing) from which Jelavic ultimately headed the ball back for Naismith to score. Sure it is not his primary duty to defend but it was a very telling picture and it is an area that Mata must improve and only he can do this, no one else can do it for him.
GabeU
22/09/2013 22:42:00
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Mata is not a kid anymore who will easily learn new things at this stage of his career,he doesn't suit the style mourinho wants, and i am not sure he can adapt his game to what mou wants,don't kid yourselves there is nothing mata will do to get into his plans, jose has made his decision and he will stick by it,mata we spend more time in the bench he will only play the domestic cups or when oscar needs to rest..you people should know mourinho better by now.
oscarr
22/09/2013 23:04:00
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Mata is not a kid anymore who will easily learn new things at this stage of his career,he doesn't suit the style mourinho wants, and i am not sure he can adapt his game to what mou wants,don't kid yourselves there is nothing mata will do to get into his plans, jose has made his decision and he will stick by it,mata we spend more time in the bench he will only play the domestic cups or when oscar needs to rest..you people should know mourinho better by now.
oscarr
22/09/2013 23:04:00
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Mata is not a kid anymore who will easily learn new things at this stage of his career,he doesn't suit the style mourinho wants, and i am not sure he can adapt his game to what mou wants,don't kid yourselves there is nothing mata will do to get into his plans, jose has made his decision and he will stick by it,mata we spend more time in the bench he will only play the domestic cups or when oscar needs to rest..you people should know mourinho better by now.
oscarr
22/09/2013 23:05:00
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Mata is not a kid anymore who will easily learn new things at this stage of his career,he doesn't suit the style mourinho wants, and i am not sure he can adapt his game to what mou wants,don't kid yourselves there is nothing mata will do to get into his plans, jose has made his decision and he will stick by it,mata we spend more time in the bench he will only play the domestic cups or when oscar needs to rest..you people should know mourinho better by now.
oscarr
22/09/2013 23:05:00
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I'm expecting the "mata must play" bandwagon to have spoilt this thread by tomorrow's morning. Nothing good comes out of them, all they know is how to talk rubbish. Even ancellotti (the holy one) believes in no 10s knowing how to contribute defensively. Robben, ribery, iniesta, xavi (all masters at what they do) don't stand by when their team don't have the ball, they contribute by defending. Even drogba (whose job was to score goals) defended for us. Rooney, van persie, mandzukic, .... All this great players whose job are to score goals, contributes to the team defensively,hell, even giroud was criticised for being a lazy striker last season but he has improved that aspect and is certainly better. I love mata so much but he has to improve those aspects of his game before he starts playing regularly. Simple as that. Interesting to see what he writes on his blog tomorrow, hopefully he won't stir up any controversy.
don delsy
22/09/2013 23:06:00
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Thank you so much uncle Gabue,you have made my day,i hope those plastic fans who are making other fans calling us plastics read this and use their brain to comment rather than abusing our manager.if you want to be a chelsea fan,be a fan with ur heart and stop being a breakable fans
Lanrryb64
22/09/2013 23:09:00
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"Mata is not a kid anymore who will easily learn new things at this stage of his career,he doesn't suit the style mourinho wants, and i am not sure he can adapt his game to what mou wants" robben at the age of 31 (I stand to be corrected) adapted his game to contribute his own quota defensively. Mata is just 25, so he can do much more than that. Lame excuses. Nuff said.
don delsy
22/09/2013 23:11:00
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Sorry for the mistake, just found out robben was 29. Got to sleep now.
don delsy
22/09/2013 23:14:00
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Sorry for the mistake guys, just found out robben was 29. Got to sleep now.
don delsy
22/09/2013 23:14:00
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