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Gathering dark clouds; Not!!!

I have essentially been out of circulation on VC for months now because of multiple domestic challenges and mounting difficulties at work. During this period I have continued to frequent VC to read comments but I must say I have been really dismayed by some of the comments from persons on the site who identify themselves as Chelsea fans. What amazes and dumbfounds me has been the sense of entitlement and selective memory many of these comments belie. I am thankful for the grounded reality based comments of some like Nellie, Stamford Lion and HGH magic but as is often the case the nay sayers are generally more vocal and noisy. To be honest I don`t even bother reading through match day comments on VC anymore..i would rather watch our matches in peace without the perpetual vitriolic negativety that pervades the VC match day comments and actually find more value in the match day comments on other online Chelsea communities where there is more grounding in reality.

This piece is simply to provide a rejoinder to those on this site who feel because Jose Mourinho is our manager we are on the path to disaster and ruin and that he should be sacked post hence to save our club.

I wont rehearse much of the nonsense many of these persons post including their pleas that Roman sack the manager barely 4mths into a 4 yr contract. Rather than argue back and forth with these persons I want to get some facts straight for those with selective amnesia.

1. Go back to this time in the last 3 seasons and see where we are now and where we were compared to the league leaders In these prior seasons and let common sense answer for you whether we are better of now or worse of..make this call based on hard facts and reality rather then sentiments.

2. I hear some of these moaners crying..we wanted Pellegrini..etc etc. Fellas get real..Roman wanted Pep and offered heaven and earth to the man..the guy told Roman to suck on his money. It is well noised that Roman after sacking RDM and appointing Rafa as interim approached the very Pellegrini these moaners speak of. He reportedly told Roman.."thanks but no thanks!!" . These guys talk as if all Chelsea needs to do is snap their fingers and any manager they want will come running. Get this straight, Chelsea is no longer a prime target for the best managers and rest assured if Roman sacks Jose as you lot are begging we are going to be far worse of because frankly we will be out of options as far as the sort of high profile experienced manager that Roman craves. We got Carlo, (a model of experience and gentlemanly class) and sacked him, We got AVB..the so called young manager extraordinairre and sacked him, we got RDM a Chelsea legend and sacked him, we got Rafa as interim and sent him packing. Jose had an open check and written contract waiting for him at PSG..he left that to choose us and in my opinion he made that decision with his heart rather than his head and some folks here are calling for his head 4 mths into his first season back because we are not playing "sexy" footie and scoring for fun. Let us look more critically though at what Jose stepped into in his second Chelsea term and see if in the harsh light of reality rather than sentiments if the harsh talk from these nay sayers makes any sense.

3. When Jose was first approached for this position he clearly wanted a position like Fergies where he made all the footballing decisions. He clearly wanted Emenalo out and probably wanted to build a team along his lines. Roman told him no..even when Emenalo offered to step down and resign Roman refused. Roman made it clear that Jose would have to work with Emenalo and the team Emenalo had built and at that point if Jose had been thinking with his head rather than his heart he should have walked then and there to PSG and left Roman to find any high profile manager willing to work with those sort of terms. Think about it..if Pep had asked for Emenalos head as a prerequisite for coming to Chelsea, Roman would have delivered immediately.

These people talk of Pellegrini..look at the football board he works with..experienced guys established in the business brought in from Barca. Jose is working with a guy who if he got fired today would not get this same job in any top club anywhere in Europe (this is the harsh truth and reality). Despite the experienced board Pellegrini had he came in asking for much more money to be spent as expensive as City`s squad was already. Of all the players City got this summer the only one that they were linked with before Pellegrini was Fernandinhio. Pellegrini asked for guys like Navas, Negredo, Jovetic, Dimichellis etc. He had Tevez removed and Gareth Barry loaned out..he put his stamp on the squad..he was allowed to build a squad with his signature and frankly the only player he asked for that his board didn`t manage to get him was Isco. Everyone who knows a thing about footie came out at the end of the summer transfer season to say that City had the best squad by far in the BPL and were favorites to win it (I agreed with that sentiment then). I wonder why the people who mention Pellegrini are surprised how well they are doing ..they have by far the best squad, they have the most expensive squad and their manager got the players he asked for and works with a board who know what they are doing and have a record of achievement elsewhere.

Let us now contrast that with what Jose inherited. Whatever the Nay sayers may say, this Chelsea squad is nothing like the squad he and Ranieri built a decade or so ago. This is Emenalo and Roman's team. There are only two players we got this window that Jose had any direct impact or say so in; MVG who he spoke with in person to convince him to move with Vitesse and Eto who he decided on as his plan B after the Rooney debacle failed. Now you can blame Jose all you want for the Rooney gambit (I myself said it was a waste of time) but did Emenalo or our board provide Jose any decent alternative? They after all make the signings.

Compare what they did with Liverpool`s board who got for Brendan Rodgers ; Iago Aspas, and Luis alberto as additional forwards to add to Suarez and sturridge. Then what many don`t realize is that Liverpool scouted Diego Costa and actually paid his buy out clause which was between 20-25million. The only reason Diego Costa is not a Liverpool red today is because the player himself declined to go, preferring to stay with Atletico Madrid who increased his wages a little to reward his loyalty. This is what a well set up board with people who know what they are doing do. Our board with Emenalo decided it made more sense to spend money on guys like Schurrle and Willian despite all the other CAMS we had already. These people are quick to attack Jose but forget that these two players were already scouted by us and had had prior offers made by us in prior windows. Jose does not have the final say on our transfers so why should he be the one blamed unilaterally when this poorly constructed squad is struggling? These same nay sayers forget that prior to Jose`s arrival Emenalo and co were already setting up new loan deals for both KDB and Lukaku..Jose was the one who indicated he wanted them both retained for the preseason and the season ultimately. These same nay sayers have been calling Jose every imagineable name for sending out Lukaku on loan again as if he was responsible. It is now clear from Lukaku himself that he had requested the loan himself, that Jose had resisted it till the situation with Demba Ba had then left him no choice. I have gone into this painful detail so these moaners have a better understanding of the facts. How these fellas expect a manager barely 4 mths into a season to take a poorly constructed squad and make them suave, smooth and top notch in such a short while when he had little to no choice in their recruitment is beyond me.

4. Honestly let us look critically at our strike force. There is no point rehearsing the decision making that saw us lose Danny Sturridge for peanuts to Liverpool, nor the decision that brought torres here when we could have got Arguero (the player I had suggested way back that we get when he was still with Atletico Madrid and when our board was still wasting time chasing Neymar). Let us not rehearse the mess that saw RDM refused a striker in the one transfer window he had when he begged for Falcao. Can anyone seriously with any ounce of objectivety blame Jose for the miserable form of the striking force he was handed? Pellegrini asks for and gets Negredo and Jovetic to add to Dzeko and Arguero and has the luxury to discard malcontent (but supremely gifted Tevez) and Jose is handed Torres and Ba and people are wondering why one team is scoring for fun while the other is laboring to score? Incredibly these same people conveniently blame Jose but absolve Emenalo and Roman who created this mess to begin with. You can blame him for getting Eto but remember Eto came on a free transfer and lets be honest none of us (myself included) could have imagined Eto would be as blunt as he has been. One cannot overemphasize the importance of scoring strikers..this is what has Liverpool where they are, it is the reason ManU are not in the lower half of the table despite their being very poor this season. What is incredible is that as poor as our strikers have been we are where we are in the table. Literally Jose has been squeezing water out of dry rocks with our inept strike force. This is especially so because unlike prior seasons our defenders are not scoring anywhere close to as many goals as they have in the past (this was something I warned about in seasons past when people kept saying we did not need high quality reinforcements in our strike force). The honest stark truth is that if Roman and Emenalo have any designs on the BPL title they better open the club wallet and get us at least one top draw striker this January. Even with that I don`t feel we will win the BPL..as several had said at the start of the season (and I agreed with them then and now), this tile is City`s to lose..if Jose manages to get us to win the BPL this year with this badly flawed side of ours he deserves knighthood for it.

5. Let me be clear..i have no problem with guys making constructive critiques of the manager, the players, the side, the board and even the ownership. I have done the same and it is part of what it means to be a fan that cares. However there is a clear line between criticism and comments that offer no value and just seek to continue a pattern of irresponsible behavior regarding our management structure and history which have contributed in no small measure to getting us to where we are now. I am emphatic in declaring that sacking our manager based on our present performance and positioning both in the BPL and Champions league is absolute madness. I do hope that Roman doesn`t have the same myopia that the people on VC making these calls have because should he do what they want mark my words it will do our club incalculable harm and I say this not just because it is Jose that is there now as manager but because frankly we don`t have any decent options left and frankly to be blunt this our squad is not nearly as good as many on VC seem to think.

Without a manager with the force of character of Jose this squad would be where we have been at this time of year in the last 3 seasons or so. The last remnants of the original golden era team Jose and Ranieri built are now on their last legs and Emenalo and co have honestly done a mediocre job so far of rebuilding. We all know how long we have needed a quality CDM, an imposing CM, a worthy replacement for the Drogs as a lead striker, a pair of high quality true wingers ala the Bayern Robery connection etc..what Emenalo and co have done is buy every young starlet known to man that cant help right now, stockpile CAMs as if they are the key to nirvana and left the gaping NEEDs of the squad unaddressed. At the very least if persons want to moan and apportion blame be fair enough to share the blame out to all the parties involved.

So let me end this on this note; I wrote several series of "Dark cloud gathering" series when we were changing managers around like a high class consort changes partners when dignitaries visit major Nation capitals. At that time I was really fearful for the direction our club was heading. With Jose at manager we have a chance for stability that this club has not had since he was last here. For the first time in quite some time I personally feel we have direction and reason for optimism for the future. Given time, substantive monetary support and a better constituted board (for example If I were Roman I would pay Jupp Heynckes whatever it takes to get him to become our DOF and either relegate Emenalo back to scouting or some other activity appropriate for his skills, experience or lack thereof..DOF is certainly not it ) I do believe Jose can and will construct for Chelsea FC a new golden generation squad that can win it all for us again. What would bring the dark clouds back and potentially plant us as a club squarely in a swamp would be for Roman to lose the plot and sack another manager prematurely especially one who frankly has overachieved thus far with an underperforming squad that he had next to no input in thus far constructing. Time will tell whether wisdom or impetuousness will carry the day.




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The Journalist

Writer: GabeU Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Thursday December 26 2013

Time: 11:05PM

Your Comments

Brilliant article. Unfortunately, not everyone will agree with all your points. The call for jose to be sacked just about 6 months into his contract is highly despicable but what do you expect from fans who never supported his appointment? They are always going to fault him when anything goes wrong. About pellegrini, I actually didn't think about him moving here before the season but when you look at the football he's got man city playing, you can't help but wonder if we made the wrong choice. Then again, I completely agree with your perfect explanation of the man city and chelsea situations. One is a team with established and world class players, the other is a team consisting of average players, oldies, up and coming stars and few established players. I initially wanted klopp at chelsea up until I heard of jose' exit at madrid, i supported his appointment because I knew what he has done and what he could do for us. We need a major overhaul in the summer if we want our rebuilding process to progress quickly cause if not, then the "rebuilding" language will still be used at stamford bridge come 2 years time. I have faith in jose to turn this team into an all conquering team...........starting from next season. This season does not hold much for us imo (bar a repeat of 2012), we should just ride it out and hope for the best. Brilliant article once again. KTBFFH;)
don delsy
The most the oldies left. We all know that with the new generation Chelsea moved from 6th to 3rd in a season. That improvement has nothing to do with Mourinho. I believe the squad will naturally improve further as players fulfill their potential.
foreign_viewer
There will be no overhaul. Mourinho loves old players who can't run anymore.
foreign_viewer
Waste of effort! Who cares if you read or comment here. As you can see the number of people on this forum is increasing day by day, that is the most important thing. And it's exactly what the forum owners aim at. This is if you know what it means to own a website. I'm tired of some people coming here to talk as if they are doing everyone a favour. Being an old member does not allocate a special right to you. If you don't like people's comments here you are free to leave. But before you go, I will like you to name any football forums or sites where fans don't criticize their teams when they are playing rubbish. Visit twitter or Facebook page and you will see a lot of them. Even ex football players, coaches and great football analysts do criticize teams. So my guy if you don't like what you see here, you are free to go and never come back. Life goes on!
Killerpass
Fantastic article , really sums it up ,Jose will get us back to where we should be ,there will be some pain before gain . Teams like Bayern had to go back to square one and suffer through rebuilding before they became the team they are today ,same with the Milan teams (one of whom are still languishing ) ,even this great City squad took years to get the right manager and players . Mourinho took a squad built by three managers and an ex Nigerian girls coach and has them two points off the top . Lets give him time and support the team .
Michael Reid1
Mr Killerpass if you had a clue about how this site works you would realize that i serve as a member of the editorial board of this site beyond being a member of the VC family. I may have more pressures and things to deal with in my regular day to day routine presently but i am not going anywhere irrespective of what you say. I have been with VC before you showed up here and will be here long after you get bored with it and move on elsewhere. Though i havent been with the VC family for decades i have been here long enough to know you are a late arrival to this site. Anyone who has been a member of this family long enough understands the history of the site and it is one of the reasons behind the recent admonitions from Uncle Merlin himself. It is beneath me to waste my time responding to your pointless comment above.
GabeU
And what makes you think you have been here before me? I have being following this forum before Jose and the rests arrived. However, I have about 13 self hosted wordpress sites I personally own and manage, I don't try to criticize or shut down people whose comments go against my blog posts. All I do is delete the abusive comments and allowed the ones that appreciate or criticize my posts thus making the sites look natural and trust worthy. To shut people down because they are not on the same platform of thinking with you is high level of uncivilization.
Killerpass
Welcome back @GabeU... Don't get all worked up about people calling for Jose to be sacked... it doesn't make sense and we don't need that now.... I have my concerns over some of Jose's decisions and tactics so far but calling for his head is totally way off.... my concerns are personal, we are 3rd in the league and through to the next round of CL, so we ain't doing bad despite my personal concerns.... What I don't agree with in your article is how harshly you have criticized Emenalo and Roman.... You can say the squad we have isn't good enough and that Jose's genius is what is keeping us going so far, but I can tell you Jose couldn't have done it with a bunch of useless players.... We have to give credit to Emenalo, the board and Roman.... they've done a good job in my opinion... Of course we can improve some areas of the team but that's not enough reason to say they done a mediocre job... Would we have won the CL without players like Mata, Meireles, etc... even the poor Torres contributed to our success... These guys you are calling mediocre are the ones who decided to bring back Mourinho, isn't that a smart decision on their part?... I think so far they've been doing a good job..... We have a good squad, we only need to add a quality CF and a good DM... Roman is not going to spend the sort of money he spent to build the team Mourinho had in 2004 again so we can't compare then with now... I think Roman and Emenalo have done well to give us the caliber of players we have today and the fantastic academy we have...
Latunvic
Welcome back Gabeu,thanks very much for the article.
blue5
We will get a striker only if we can sell/move out Eto & any one of Torres/Ba in this Jan window....
Blu_run
I understand your frustration about some comments here but I think your article is basically saying that everything negative about Chelsea this season is down to Roman and Emenalo while everything positive is from Jose alone... Kudos to Jose for what he has done so far but rubbishing everything Emenalo and Roman has done is not fair... I think we don't appreciate Emenalo's work simply because he's not a big name in football... I also like to point out that Schurrle and Willian are not CAMs, Schurrle is a forward who can play as a winger while Willian is a winger who can play as a CAM... We signed Moses who is also a winger... so our team is not just full of CAMs.... We have one of the best youth teams in the world... Emenalo and Roman have helped us achieve all these.... so why do we need to relegate Emenalo....
Latunvic
I believe the league is a marathon at the end of the season we can start assessing everyone from the board, manager and players.
pila12
It is one thing to 'critisize constructively' as some of us chooses to call it, it is another thing to critisize because everyone is saying something positive and u had to negate the flow of things just fo the fun of it or to seek attention. I seldom comment on VC but most times the comments i read here are nothing short of an embarrassment. We can do better than this..... If u ask for my opinion, i think JM has improved this team a whole lot better than previous seasons ago. JM is just a victim of his previous success here and we tend to compare the current squad to d one he built in 2004. The league now is tougher and more demanding, any team can drop points now..... We are not yet on our personal best but we are grinding out results, what more can u ask for?
torvicson
Absolutely fantastic article GabeU, thanks for this; hardly surprising after all such a brilliantly reasoned and well-worded piece could only have come from a brilliant head like you. Nothing to add as you've just echoed my thoughts through and through! Also it's nice to have you back and refreshing to know you're doing well, and have been managing those multiple challenges well. Merry Xmas to you buddy; and may Jose, Emenalo & co. continue(or start, as the case may be) to lead our darling club aright whilst making better sporting decisions -- such as a goalscoring striker purchase, a tough-tackling DM and a deep-lying playmaker CM -- amongst others. Just 3 more players, imo, to take us to where we all wanna be. We can do this. Carefree & KTBFFH
HGH Magic
Brilliant article @gabeu. I support every of your raised points and i can hardly find a point to fault. Though roman and emenalo haven't done as perfect as they should in terms of rebuilding the squad but they sure did to the best of their abilities. And as much as they could be criticised they also deserve praise to have gone through all the storm and landed us finally at the feet of jose (that is the best thing that could have happened to us). We defo need a better DOF but i beg to differ from JUpp heynkes mainly because i really don't fancy someone with greater affinity to another club (Bayern) at the helms of our affairs. I want blue all through our system and who says it isn't possible with the numbers of our ex players who are now coaches and with some even in our system already. The famous Bayern admin for christ sake is filled with lots of their ex-players. I believe this season jose will ride it out as much to the best of his abilities but i see Man City wrapped all over the cup. But surely jose will rock next season.
kolagold25
Welcome back Gabeu, where have you been?? Fantastic piece btw.
SameX
@FV, if after 3 seasons we are now two points off the league leaders, i guess we can say it has everything to do with jose since 6th to 3rd has nothing to do with him?
kolagold25
Yup our rebuilding hasnt been in a good way. Actually we sud have succession plan for every position but we have only been gathering AMs. Btw i am one of the very old members and my comments are considered of double weight lol. ;)
Blue Krusaders
Welcome back Gabeu. No one knows how to hit the nail on the head like you. Brilliant Article.
StamfordDLion
Excellent article. I have wondered for a very long time if Emenalo is qualified enough to be at our club in such an important role. Identifying young players with potential, is a very different thing to dismantling and reconstructing and creating a winning, balanced squad. Jose will get the maximum out of this lop sided group this season, but the responsibilty should now be given to the manager, who has proved without doubt, everywhere that he has managed, that he knows what he is doing. As for all the cyber fans from Outer Mongolia, that have all suddenly arrived since Roman decided to bankroll the club, I shouldn`t take too much notice of their remarks. If and when the club ever sink to mid table, they will all vanish just as quickly as they all arrived. The sooner the better, because supporting a club, is exactly that. It is heartbreaking and frustrating sometimes, but that is what supporting a club is all about. We don`t need moaning part timers. Clear off and follow someone else.
Blueheart9
Excellent article. I have wondered for a very long time if Emenalo is qualified enough to be at our club in such an important role. Identifying young players with potential, is a very different thing to dismantling and reconstructing and creating a winning, balanced squad. Jose will get the maximum out of this lop sided group this season, but the responsibilty should now be given to the manager, who has proved without doubt, everywhere that he has managed, that he knows what he is doing. As for all the cyber fans from Outer Mongolia, that have all suddenly arrived since Roman decided to bankroll the club, I shouldn`t take too much notice of their remarks. If and when the club ever sink to mid table, they will all vanish just as quickly as they all arrived. The sooner the better, because supporting a club, is exactly that. It is heartbreaking and frustrating sometimes, but that is what supporting a club is all about. We don`t need moaning part timers. Clear off and follow someone else.
Blueheart9
sorry for the double post.
Blueheart9
Off Topic...Read some ***** news like Real will bid for A Di Maria+Cash for hazard in Jan or summer...
Blu_run
Typical GabeU article,quality piece. Good to have you taking the time out of your schedule to write a piece. Ofcourse i've been quite vocal in criticizing the board and owner in the past,but they've been decent recently. I do feel the real work starts this summer,when Jose,Emenalo,Roman have a better assessment of the squad and the holes to fill. It's important they stay on the same page so we can build a formidable squad for the future. Notice i said summer,cause i don't think we can get the quality we deserve during the winter break,and would advice we stay away from any panic buys. You're absolutely right in saying Jose deserves credit for what he's managed to achieve thus far with a pretty unbalanced squad...No need to look too far than the top 5 on the log. Arsenal,Man City,Chelsea,Liverpool,Everton...All this sides except Chelsea look to be playing at their best,and its incredible we are just 2 points off the leaders,and are in 3rd place. Good to have you back writing mate,top Cheers! Carefree
nelyvanile
Absolutely brilliant article. But i dis-concur with your Emenalo point. I honestly think he has done a fantastic job as technical director/chief scout. Four seasons ago the lamentation here @ VC is that our team lack creativity because we lack proper AM's in our squad, but that isnt a problem anymore due to Emenalo's hardwork in getting wonderful prospects in these positions. There is no owner that gives absolute audacity to coaches to sign thier choice owners. As long as Roman owns chelsea we will never have a manager but a coach. Its the chelsea way since Roman bought the club. Managerial duties would continue to be shared by the technical director and the coaches. And we will never have a sole manger of the team.
BETIKS
*choice players* not owners.
BETIKS
great piece and totally correct. I think i am in the minority of the fans that frequent this site who doesn't care if we don't win anything for the next few years as long as jose gets his wish to build and build and build from the u18,u21 and the 1st team to build a foundation that will then last us for a decade to come!yes trophies are nice to have but since we won the champions league and have won everything else in england i now want stability and an identity and a club,manager,team mates and board who are all puling together for the greater good. i also think this is where sometimes the age of fans comes into it as you will find the fans over 30+ normally know how bad the dark days have been at cfc and know what we are doing now is still 100X better than it was years ago,whereas younger fans who only know the trophy years seem to want 4/5 goals per game and to win the league,fa cup and champions league every ingle season and for roman to spend £100 million on 3 players every summer and january window!
Dave-David
*choice players* not owners.
BETIKS
Welcome back @Gabeu. Fine article as always. Missed them.
syed230183_chelseafc
foreign_viewer, Jose loves old players? That'll be why he's trying to build a team around Hazard & Oscar. If Jose Mourinho was manager of Man City they'd be 5 points clear at the top. Some people on here seem to remember Chelsea playing like Barcelona last season. I remember a lot of performances similar to this season - and some a lot worse - QPR, WBA, Southampton, Brentford, Swansea, Sparta at home, CWC. I have no problem with the Schurle signing but Willian for £30m seem a completely unnecessary luxury and the money could have been better spent elsewhere. Roman & Emenalo seem to believe we just need to sign every AM until we get the right combination, but unless we unearth the new Messi it just won't work - not enough to win the league at any rate. Jose knows this. To drag a team with 3 basically useless strikers to within 2 points of the leaders half way through the season is a near miracle that not many managers could have pulled off. The Chelsea job is much harder than being manager of Barcelona or Bayern Munich, they are the biggest teams in their country (Barca jt with Real) Chelsea have to compete with Man Utd & Arsenal - both bigger, Man City - richer, and Liverpool, about the same size and still a world wide glamour club. I. I don't know how PSG & Monaco pay the wages they do, but Chelsea can't pay players £300k a week and meet FFP.
CobhamBlue
Jose was aware of all this before he accepted the job,wasnt he??
Ken4CFC
Jose was aware of everything. But he knows, and to be honest everyone knows except Roman & Emenalo, Chelsea need a strong man in DM and a top class CF.
CobhamBlue
@GabeU: We missed your dark clouds, lol. -----------------If we play to our striker's strength than they will start scoring but now they have become so RUSTY that miss/will miss open goals, they have forgotten what it feels like to score.-------------------Torres was asked these questions by Sky. Q1: Did Chelsea do eneough to suit his style? He said that it was him who had to change his style. Q2: Could Chelsea have done more for him? He said that I will be able to answer that at the end of my Chelsea contract.---------------We need a striker who can hold the ball up and close people down all day so that it is for our midgets and a quality tackler/passer for our pivot.
B2K420
ooooouch Ken!!!! Seriously man???!!!!! *sighs*
Tunez
*so that it is easier for our midgets
B2K420
@ken4cfc, maybe a gun was put to his head to accept the job, can even believe guys blaming emenalo for what buying good attacking players. We all agree there are some holes in the team to be filled no one is perfect in their job. It was still last season before the fa cup game against United that fergie was praising the quality of players we have in our team especially mazacar during his press conference. Now we are third on the table jose is the reason not the players emenalo bought, everyone has there opinion on chelsea but I know and believe we have very good players in the team, how many of the current arsenal players are better than chelsea players? Why did Swansea do so well last season they had a manager that got the best out of average players. We need jose to work with the players at his disposal we don't have to always buy to rectify all the time.
pila12
Guys were saying lukaku asked to leave? Didn't suarez request to leave openly Liverpool refused to grant his request. If jose had faith in the young player he would have refused his request to go on loan now we have eto missing sitters who bought eto? Oh emenalo did I forgot.
pila12
Guys. Thanks for all the constructive critiques. I have simply not been able to be as participatory as in the past because of family and work related stuff and that will continue for some time to come but i appreciate all those who contribute to reasoned discussion back and forth. that is what keeps VC virile. To latunvic and others please understand my intent was not suggest Jose is perfect he is not. Neither is to suggest the Roman and Emenalo have done no good for the club..that would be ridiculous. I myself roundly criticised Jose's fixation on rooney which i said then would end in nothing and i do feel he could have managed Mata better. That said Emenaol and our board havent done a great job of reconstruction thus far lets be honest. I am hoping as you all are that Roman, Emenalo and Jose by putting minds together will come to a happy medium where better decisions are made regarding how to grow our club but honestly i wont lie..i would really like us to have a way more experienced and accomplished person as our most visible DOF and that was why in the past i had suggested Hiddink and certainly someone like Heynckes will fit the bill to. As some others have said, what we as a club do this coming summer transfer window will be critical in the trajectory our club goes..i just hope that our board can pull out a rabbit or two from the proverbail hat this winter window to help improve our squad enough to enable push City to the very end for the BPL title and hopefully win the FA cup along the way.
GabeU
You can't compare Swansea & Chelsea. When Chelsea plays any team outside the top 7 the teams set up to defend, defend, defend. Teams don't do that to play Swansea which makes it much easier for their manager to or anise them and with a decent striker - Michu - they find themselves best of the rest. Chelsea come up against a wall most games, it takes a Suarez, Aguero, RVP, Rooney, Bale last year, to pick the defending teams pocket. We have plenty of good attacking players but no lethal striker to regularly score the half chances - our strikers can't even score golden chances! Arsenal position is a bit like Chelsea, Giroud was scoring regularly and they were comfortable top, his goals have dried up a bit and Arsenal have been dropping points all over the place these past few weeks. Take Torres out the Chelsea team it doesn't make much difference. Take Suarez out of Liverpool and the goals will dry up.
CobhamBlue
Tunez....keep sighing,when you are done let us know!
Ken4CFC
@TheRealAC3: “@LewisTinsley: @TheRealAC3 how does it feel that Chelsea want to buy Luke Shaw to play over you? 😂😂😂😂” hope to see him there to be honest👍
KAKUfrank
@Absolutely CobhamBlue. Put Suarez into the Chelsea squad and we would be 10 points clear and one of the favourites to win the Champions League this season. We really are only 2 players short, so people need to be patient, a world class defensive midfield player and a striker who knows where the net is. Unfortunately our new breed of `cyber fans` want everything now and are not prepared to wait and see things develop.
Blueheart9
Pila..lets assume he was drugged.lol..here is someone who claimed to have been watching us last season and was bragging about how we will will tear teams apart at the start of the season..
Ken4CFC
Am not comparing Swansea to chelsea am only saying sometimes you can get the very best out of average players and they become good for sometime. Are we the only team they park the bus against? No but we just need to find a way to play teams that park the bus but not by using ivanovic has a right back.
pila12
Am not comparing Swansea to chelsea am only saying sometimes you can get the very best out of average players and they become good for sometime. Are we the only team they park the bus against? No but we just need to find a way to play teams that park the bus but not by using ivanovic has a right back.
pila12
If we are only 2 players short then emenalo has done a good job then I was only trying to defend the new scape goat emenalo. Am very patient with the players we have got that is why I defend them some comments I read is like we have rubbish players and jose is the one making them look good. All we need is a striker, dm and maybe a central defender.
pila12
Jose is great but he is not GOD, without quality pivot players, a world class CF and attacking fullbacks our footie will remain crap. He is doing his best tbh. I believe next season will be better. lets just patiently wait
SameX
I am not sure if Emenalo and Roman can be blamed much to be honest and I think the talk of an experienced HOF is a bit overrated. Emenalo did the job he had to do by replacing the 3 key players behind the striker as the club transitioned from a 4-3-3 to a 4-2-3-1 formation. I certainly can't fault him for building 6 players he has built with the likes of Oscar, Mata, Hazard, Willian, Schurrle and co. The main problem with the 6 players are 1.) They lack experience together, 2.) They are still young and 3.) The strikers are not making their jobs easier for them by putting the ball in the net. If we had a consistent striker, we will be getting better. On the striker issue, well, it is clear Roman and Emenalo's hands are tied since we have a £50mm + £185k a week being paid to a dud that no one wants. Emenalo himself has tried the cheaper alternative by signing Demba Ba and it didn't work and now Jose has tried a cheaper alternative in a free Eto and it hasn't worked. So in the last 3 years, Roman, Emenalo and Mourinho have all made mistakes in the striker position where all 3 have proved to be duds. If you were Roman or Emenalo, will you be willing to blow another 30mm+ after the few you've gotten the last 2 years haven't worked out Inspite of the challenge we have in moving those players?
KAKUfrank
KAKU very well reasoned thoughts and you are right to a degree regarding the sorry state of our striker corps..everyone has mad errors in judgement there. The problem i have with some of the business we did this last summer is one of priorities. As good a player as Willian is (and he is doubtless a better and more complete player than Moses) at 30+ million that purchase was an absolute waste. Just dispassionately compare the actual contributions in terms of goals and assists that Moses had last year by this stage to willian (and both have never been regular first teamers) and you will discover that despite Willian being a better player Moses provided more in contributory terms for the team. That 30+ mill could have got us Diego Costa this last summer or a quality CDM and we would probably be in much better shape. These are the sorts of calls experienced DOFs make. A quick example; when Pep came to Bayern he came asking for Neymar. The Bayern board told him point blank we cant afford him but we have a player we can get who is just as good and may eventually be better, who we can afford..the rest is history..they activated the buy out clause on Goetze and the guy has been doing very well in Peps system while adding the extra advantage of weakening the only real rival Bayern has..this is what an experienced board does for a manager. I personally think it is the last big piece we need sorted at Chelsea.
GabeU
How about trying Lukaku?
foreign_viewer
As far as the experienced HOF is concerned, it depends on what you are requiring such HOF for. Look at Baldini at Spurs. Experienced as much as anyone can imagine, but look at how many scabies they bought and how much has been wasted. If you want to use the City example to show where you need an experienced DOF, the truth is our mandate is different. Pellegrini has to win now, Jose has to win now and build a young squad that will rely on its loanees as future replacements as well as fund purchases of additional players in the future. City spent a £100mm and they are not a 100% sure they will win the league. In the next couple if seasons, they will have to add a defender, another CM and maybe another keeper which knowing City could be another 100mm+. Chelsea can't afford to do that anymore which is why we have a different mandate. If Mourinho has a good idea who wants to get that will fit his vision of the team, why sign a stronger character that might clash with him with such vision if he disagrees?
KAKUfrank
We don't need a DM. We need a playmaker. Buy Cabaye. Simple.
foreign_viewer
How many trolls does it take to ruin a perfectly good article...?
Pavel Permiachkin
The Neymar v Goetze's case is different in that I am not sure which is fluff and which is true. Neymar was always headed for Barac regardless of manager and it is my understanding Pep always wanted Goetze. Plus Neymar and Goetze Are wide forwards capable of playing through the middle compared to Willian v Diego Costa. Moreover, who knows if Jose would have wanted to this guy? No one was mentioning Costa last year. It was all Falcao and Cavani. Besides that and if it was that easy, why didn't Jose leave the Rooney chase and signed Costa instead of Eto? Maybe Jose didn't want Costa. Who knows? But if it was easy for Michael to do so, why didn't Jose do it either?
KAKUfrank
KAKUfrank, Blame is all relative. We are sitting 2 points off the top of the league so Emenalo could argue he has done a good job. I agree we have shot ourselves in the foot over our strikers and all our problems really go back to the day we signed Torres. He has failed so badly - especially in the Premier League - that he has been like an anchor to Chelsea, but not a good one, one that has accidentally been dropped in the middle of the ocean and nobody can get it out the seabed. The problem with our signings is they have changed Chelsea from power to finesse. Man City have both but we have swung too dramatically away from power which usually means when the nippy attackers begin to run out of steam we get over run in the last 20 minutes of games. The old Chelsea used to pile on goals in the last 15 minutes now we cling on. Admittedly this partly goes back to Torres because if he could have us 3-0 by 60 minutes we would then, probably, more often than not, play the last 30 mins without fear and pile on more goals. Everything goes back to Torres.
CobhamBlue
Responsibilities for success and failure don't start with one person, and they don't end with one person. That much should be obvious. Be it Mr. Roman, Mr. Michael or Mr. Jose.
zg2000fs
KAKU the blame falls on everyone for certain things. If our squad is unbalanced then Emanalo shares the blame for that bit. The pivot, if we are stuck on playing the 4231, but was not addressed. How many young good name AMs did Emanalo want to get? KDB looked promising all pre season, that meant 5 AMs/wingers. The pivot issue has been ongoing for a couple of seasons now, so was the Willian buy the proper buy? In hindsight Willian can turn out to be our messi or Ronaldo in the next few seasons, I don't know. But we needed some fixing in the squad to balance it out ASAP now, not for the possible future, we needed it now. Personally I don't think Emanalo has done anything special, it's not his money he is spending. What he should be doing from now on is make almost done deals and present them to Jose who will have the final word amd not Emanalo, because after all said and done Jose's job is on lthe line to make the buy work while Emanalo drinks tea with cookies and goes on to look for the next star AM.
Pavel Permiachkin
Chelsea will have a massive decision to make with Lukaku in the summer. If he continues to have a good season at Everton we could probably sell him for £25-30m as he has 2 years left on his contract. If we bring him back and he turns into another Demba Ba we'll be lucky to get £10m for him in 2015. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not entirely convinced Lukaku will be good enough to be our main striker if we are going to regularly challenge for the UCL like we did between 2005-2012. If he stays he might, at best, be our new Kalou. (Not an insult by the way!)
CobhamBlue
I was mentioning Diego Costa.
foreign_viewer
I was mentioning Diego Costa.
foreign_viewer
@GabeU, like some have pointed out on this thread, we are actually only lacking 2 players, a prolific CF and a good DM. Most people here also agree that if we can add a player like Suarez to our attack, we will win the league and do very well in the CL, that to me suggest that Emenalo and Roman have so far done a good reconstruction job if all the team is lacking is a CF and a DM. Also, like @Dave-David has pointed out, Emenalo and Roman have created for this club, a pool of fantastic players in the U18 and U21 teams which we can utilize over the coming years, plus the lots on loan.... And I don't know why some here keep calling Schurrle and Willian CAMs just to discredit Emenalo, these guys are forward/winger... even Hazard is a winger, so I don't know why we keep saying we have 6 CAMs, the 4-2-3-1 formation is what make them all look and play like AMs...
Latunvic
KAKUfrank - good question mate; these are the kind I love responding to as they elicit excellent debate, and not those vacuous braindead ones from dumbass cyber trolls. If I were Roman or Emenalo as you say, I'll be trusting my Head Coach to identify a striker and spend the £30m on so I can justifiably SACK him if the said striker fails - since I had earlier blown £30m & £50m on duds(Sheva & Torres respectively) - as I infamously love sacking!
HGH Magic
Good points Kaku,GabeU,Cobham. I reiterated during the transfer window in the summer that,we can't address all our problems within that window,and as long as we are trying to implement a philosophy and identity,it will take a full season to get everyone thinking in the same direction. I think its important we all look forward from here in. Lots of mistakes have been made in the past,and we can't correct them all in one go,its a continuous process and will require stability and focus. I didn't expect Jose to come in and try to do a lot in the transfer window,although was delighted with the MVG signing and am sure he's one for the future,and will come good. I'm pretty sure we'll see more of the Jose type signings in the summer to give us that sense of balance.
nelyvanile
keep calm and support chelsea . neither roman or emenalo is to blame for our transfer, torres is to be blame and chelsea board to blame for our transfer fail. chelsea really need to move on from torres and admit him as flop. we can't still relay on torres becz it cost 50 mill. His presence cost us drogba, danial etc . i am not against torres , i do like him but move on chelsea board we need some good strikers who can score goals . we cannot buy average strikers just to support torres ; ba,eto . sell him or loan him . we still can get quality strikers in market .if we had just one quality striker in fornt we might be 10 points clear to the top . jose knows that but board cannot allow this bocz they still believe torres will bang goals. but guys as i said already keep calm and support chelsea , jose will fix this. he has changed a bit than form last time but for good.
psanket
Good points @Kaku...You made a point which I think some people here are failing to realize, the Chelsea of today is no more the buy, buy and buy super stars/established stars Chelsea.... We all agreed that Chelsea should gradually do away from spending crazy money on established players and instead try to build our own stars.. Emenalo and Roman have done a fantastic job in building one of the best youth teams in the world. We have some players on loan and in the U21 team that we can utilize to fill some gaps in the team if need be. We can just blame Emenalo and Roman, as inept as we claim these guys are, they gave us a team + manager that won the CL, FA cup, Europa league, etc... So we can't expect Emenalo and Roman to just buy every star we feel we need...
Latunvic
pila12, We are not the only team they park the bus against but have you seen some of the Suarez, RVP, Rooney, Aguero, Bale goals over the last couple of years? They consistently score goals from half chances. Our strikers virtually never do that and in fact miss glaring golden chances on a regular basis. I find it baffling as to why Torres, Ba & Eto'o all seem to freeze when they see a goal gaping but they all do. Most of their (few) goals come when they have no time to think. As soon as they have 2 or 3 seconds to think about a shot they take one extra touch and the chance is gone. It is incredible that all 3 seem to do the saw thing. Remember when Eto'o scored against us playing for Inter? I honestly think he'd miss that chance if he was wearing a Chelsea shirt.
CobhamBlue
@HGH, talking about letting the head coach identify the CF, i think the club had already given and will continue to give him the priviledge of choosing the CF with example being his bids for rooney over the summer. That looks like a jose wants rather than the boards'.
kolagold25
@kolagold, lol, that rooney transfer has all parties written on it. If rooney came, he would have been expected to excel on the pitch and off the pitch (jersey sales, sponsorship, popularity, etc) and most importantly, he qualifies as home grown and is the face of english football. Nice debate going on btw.
don delsy
Yes Kola, hopefully; because Benni McCarthy, Didier Drogba, Diego Milito, Goran Pandev and a younger Samuel Eto'o[he wanted in lieu of Shevchenko @CFC] and his favoured Karim Benzema all spring to mind once a Mourinho type centre forward is mentioned! QED
HGH Magic
Just one midfielder in January should do. These players are good, but have decision making issues probably because of their age. Torres has had more than enough time (more than even that actually) and should be relegated to a back up striker. I still feel personally that Ba can be the one to score regularly. The problem is, our team love hoofing it up to him when he's on the pitch. Yes, his link upl olay has't been great, but he was pretty good doing it for Newcastle. We know he has a special goal or two in him as well, and he has the knack of getting poacher's goals too. Looking back at his past goals a lot of them were from crosses. As a team, our crossing is dreadful. We are not set up to out balls into the box (excuding iva's infuriatingly hopeless attempts). Also, Our attacking trio are players who don't often go wide. Mata, Hazard, Willian, Oscar, Schurrle, KDB are all players who are not out and out wingers. It would be great to see more players like Navas around. Old school winger.
Psychofac
Would it be so much of an ask to have two propee full backs playing in their right places,from now on. The moment mourinho made his comment about instating Iva as undisputed first choice right back you knew there would be issues playing attractive attacking football. For all the talk about the new 'philosophy', we have hardly seen any of it on the pitch. In terms of exciting attacking football, we are a shambles.
Psychofac
@Pavel, I seriously have no idea what you want Michael to do? You make it sound like they are a bunch of players sitting in players mart with price tags on them and all Emenalo has to do is go there and buy them. We always forget they has to be a willing buyer, a willing seller (or release clause); and a player who is willing to join your club before the window. They bought the Vitesse kid if I am correct, but other than that who else was available that Jose wanted? "If our squad is unbalanced then Emanalo shares the blame for that bit. The pivot, if we are stuck on playing the 4231, but was not addressed." jose is the Mourinho is the coach and knows what work should be done so why is the same question not being posed to him? Why did Jose not push to sign another player besides MVG for the pivot? Why is Emenalo the only person being asked this question?????? And then being blamed for it.....Yeah he is been buying AMs which might be a surplus now, but with potential sale of KDB won't be a problem in the future as we will be well stocked. It's not like Real Madrid, Juventus, Newcastle and Dortmund put up Alonso, Gundogan, Modric, Pogba and Cabaye in player mart and said hey Chelsea, come and bid on them.....And if Emenalo is not special enough to fix this pivot problem by signing a player in the summer, why is the special who is the coach with enough influence to issue a go get Rooney plea not signing the player to balance the squad?
KAKUfrank
Spot on @kakufrank. The huge criticism of emenalo baffles me a lot. Mourinho is the "manager" charged with footballing duties including transfers. Only that he has to share that duty with emenalo. Emenalo's job is to "scout" for players capable of improving the team, giving the details to jose and waiting to see if he approves the purchase. Now, if mourinho cannot himself identify having claimed to watch us last season that lamps is past it and not good enough, that torres is way past it, that ivanovic isn't a right back, that mikel and essien are not of the required quality at chelsea how is that emenalo's fault. If you all can remember, during the pre-season (after we bought van ginkel) jose claimed we were very ok in the centre midfield position and there were going to be no additions in that position. If I remember correctly, they were "few" moans and complaints then, so I don't know why its emenalo that gets the blame when things go wrong. if by next season, we start signing world class and much needed players to fill in the loop holes in our team mourinho will get all the praise but if not, emenalo will get the abuses, why? We all know. Not trying to blame jose or support emenalo here but am trying to get you guys to know that he (jose) is more at fault than emenalo because he is the "manager"- responsible for how the team fares.
don delsy
When Jose returned my understanding is he agreed he would continue with the "new" Chelsea style. Jose new there were flaws in this but believed with Wayne Rooney we could over come them and win the Premier League. I think he was probably correct. However, the cack-handed way we went about trying to sign Rooney left us woefully short up front when it all fell apart. Mourinho has now realized we cannot win the league playing the "new" way without a clinical finisher. This is why he has started to mix in 4-3-3 more recently with more defensive minded players. Not sure what Roman thinks about it, but really, he has to stick with Jose for at least 3 years unless the wheels fall of completely.
CobhamBlue
So let me get this strait... Emanalo should not get ANY blame in this at all, AT ALL. Jose, who just arrived, and the players should be blamed for everything? Is that how it works now?
Pavel Permiachkin
You are seriously showing some bias there KAKU. I have already stated many times Jose has had his faults this season. But whats baffling is how people like you protect Emanalo to the death and let Jose take full blame. That is the baffling part. If Jose and players can recieve criticism then so can Emanalo. And I like to point out Jose doesn't nearly have as much power as you are making it look like when it comes to buying as Emanalo. Your post is also very much just you talking out of no where. On the other hand our squad is unbalanced and his been for a while, who is our director of football. If he can buy all those AMs with decent price tags ala Willian then surely he could have found something, anything, in positions we needed re enforcement in.
Pavel Permiachkin
Thank you GabeU for bringing common sense back to this forum. As I have stated for over two two years, this is a dysfunctional organization. I would hate to think of where CFC would be without JM. Hopefully JM can bring some sanity to the CFC player personnel decision making. I think we have seen enough of Emenalo.
lamarochs
Please do read this article, it explains the emenalo role brilliantly; www.bluetinted.com/category/first-team/5143/
don delsy
Without JM, Roman and Emenalo would be again playing FIFA 14, hanging the next manager out to dry, wasting more money on a un-balanced and dysfunctional team. Roman was playing FIFA 14 and Emenalo was just taking orders.
lamarochs
This interesting back and forth is why i said in my piece that Jose made his decision to join us based on his heart rather than his head. His love for the club and "being one of us" made him come despite the big question marks on this project and our unique adminstrative structure. Some on this thread still think of Emenalo as a glorified scout ..he is not, he is our technical director and essentiallty thus our DOF. Jose answers to him and Roman not the other way around. Jose even hinted to this early in his arrival when asked about Willian signing when he replied by saying pointedly that "He is just the coach of the squad". He obviously has some say so in player recruitment matters but this is nothing like what he had at Madrid, at Inter or at Porto. I love him for taking the plunge for our club but if he wanted a kosher job with oddles of cash to spend and guaranteed instant success he would have just taken the PSG job...Laurent Blanc is looking good there when those players are essentially coaching themselves. This is why Pep is a much wiser guy..he made his decision where to move to based on a cold calculating survey of the team with the best talent now, the best administrative structure, one of the most straightforward paths to league glory, virtually guaranteed champions league access year after year, and one of the best academies for future youth developments; namely Bayern. No amount of money could tempt him to bite on the invitations from City, from us or even to return to Barca. His legend will continue to grow while he works with an essentially already finished product. This is why someone like Roberto Martinez decided to choose Everton rather than Liverpool when they first came calling...he wanted total control over all footballing matters and decisions because he knows in this business when trouble comes the fall guy is always the manager no matter who was involved in the decisions that put the squad together. Pellegrini and Rodgers are enjoying having a board that has hepled them build solid squads, AVB paid the prize for a board that seem to have bought him a bunch of duds..at least if Martinez fails he knows it was all on him as it was with fergie. This is the risk any manager who works for a board takes especially if the squad they get handed is not PSG, Real, City, Barca or Bayern quality level. Needless to say there is blame to apportion between Emenalo, Roman and Jose about where we find ourselves but let us be honest before this piece and the earlier one HGH had penned no one here mentioned one word requiring accountability of our DOF. The blame has been placed squarely and solely on the manager and hence the calls from some for his head. Anyway all said and done as some others have said we are not that far of from where we need to be...many here have said we are 2 players of..i see it more like 4 but that number includes in my mind bringing LukaKu back and that would leave a bruising CDM (a Maka clone if you will), a true Regista type CM and a world class finisher..if we can get one or two of these in January we can finish the job of rebuilding in the summer and see where that takes us in the next season..for this season a top 3 finish and possibly an FA cup trophy would be just fine in my book. As i indicated before if Jose manages to pull of a BPL title with this squad while City has their squad he deserves instant knighthood.
GabeU
The obvious thing is people just jump on the bandwagon created by rumours emanating from the media that emenalo is in charge of signing players, giving examples like hazard, mata, oscar etc and stories that he was the one who recommended benitez to roman. NONSENSE. People forget that its the same emenalo that has (from all indications) "helped" our academy to a stage where its regarded as one of the best in the world only that we don't give the youth a chance. All who chelsea fans want at chelsea must be world class. Baldini's world class, how's that working out for tottenham? We can achieve greatness with emenalo in his current role as technical director, all we need is mourinho to do his job and improve the team where necessary.
don delsy
Don and if it doesn't work out? All blame on Jose and Emanalo walks scott free? Or if Jose does do the job then it will be a double standard and Emanalo clearly is a genius. Win/win for Emanalo, how convenient. GabeU I started bringing up Emanalo a little time before HGH posted his article. I was just sick of how much blame certain people were getting season after season and he wasn't. Even now I am baffled as to how much he is defended by some respectable posters here.
Pavel Permiachkin
At first people tried this whole "oh so now you are putting the blame on Emanalo" propaganda as if I haven't bitched about Jose's line ups or tactics enough this season, and was just pointing out certain issues in the bigger picture has another culprit and it is not as easy as just getting the "right" manager and wala!
Pavel Permiachkin
*is not as easy as just getting rid of one mamager after another providing no stability and constantly changing the long term plans of a coach and then finding the "right" coach and wala!*
Pavel Permiachkin
@pavel, you can look at it anyway you like, your opinions are yours..... Now let's go back in time starting from when emenalo became technical director, we won the champions league, was emenalo credited? No. We won the fa cup, was emenalo credited? No. We won the europa league, was emenalo credited? No. If and when mourinho finally succeeds in making us an all conquering outfit, its only logical mourinho gets all the praise........ And if it doesn't work out, mourinho (only) gets the blame. That's how life works mate. The manager is solely responsible for the teams achievements and failures not some technical director which most of you don't know his exact role in the club. Off to bed.
don delsy
Fair points don, but I have seen praise for Emanalo and blame for Mou so far.
Pavel Permiachkin
Oh and as GabeU pointed out it has already been hinted Jose is gimped this time around with squad building. This time around he is the main coach if you guys haven't noticed or got the memo yet. Emanalo has more power than he does but you guys ate just pretending otherwise and that there is clearly your opinion. If playing Schurrle as a CF against Man U was Mou's way of getting a new striker, well wow I am amazed with the power he has, poor Emanalo :(
Pavel Permiachkin
@ Don, the spurs example is an interesting one. If Baldini largely drove the player recruitment as you imply then he should certainly share in some of the blame as regards results but as is often the case the manager is invariably the convinient fall guy and so AVB got the axe.. you watch i doubt that spurs will end up better than they did last year sacking AVB the way they did for Sherwood isnt go to do them any favors. However one must be careful here, Les Ferdinand who is one of the assistant coaches at Spurs stated clearly that AVB specifically requested all the players they signed..from his statement these were not Baldini's signings..AVB made his list and Baldini made it happen. If in fact that is true then it would explain why Levy was quick to pull the trigger. When as a manager you spend over 100mill in one window on players the expectations that come with that will neccesarily be very high. The point is that the best clubs have top notch in every dept; adminstration and set up, manager and players. This the way it is at Real, Barca, Bayern and City as prime examples. You are quick to credit Emenalo for the success our youth teams have shown but want to absolve him of any responsibility of where our senior teams find itself. If he did not sanction the signings of the players you mentioned pray tell who did? are you seriously suggesting that poor RDM who was only granted a 2 yr contract after Roman had searched up and down for anyone but got no takers was the one who signed these guys? Lets be real here. There are multiple sources that indicate that Emenalo did recommend Rafa..there has been no credible source that i have seen that refutes it and honestly i dont hold it against him. Roman had essentially burnt through all the available credible options for the sort of manager he wanted..it was very slim pickings out there at the time and Rafa as much as many in the Chelsea world hate his guts is not a bad manager. Go back in the archives, my comments and articles on this prove clearly that i personally had no problem with Rafa and gave the man his dues while he was with us. @ Pavel i have a sneaky suspicion as to one major motivation behind the passionate if not fact based support some posters here display for Emenalo that essentially seeks to grant him angelic praise for all that is right with our club but absolve him of any of the problems and issues that have arisen during his tenure as our technical director but i will keep that to myself as it is just a suspicion and it may just be my paranoid skeptical side reading meaning into some trends i have noticed regarding demographics of some of our VC family who argue in this fashion. I just try to call it as i see it down the center with no agenda one way or the other.
GabeU
Glad to see that the good old friends and true Chelsea fans KAKU, GabeU, nely and Latunvic are doing their bit to shut the Johnny Come Lately's up on here. Well done mates.
FrLamp
There are players holding the team back. Why are they still at Chelsea? So many great talents have been missed because of these players. For the money Abramavoch has spent, he should the best sqaud in the world. But he does not. So what is going on?
foreign_viewer
Kompany was an obvious talent destined to be world class. What happened? Bale? Suarez? RVP? Ribery? Yaya? Ronaldo? Right now is the time for Abramovich to act. He should correct the mistakes done by his scouts and sign world class talents. How he will avoid the FFP trap I don't know. But there's too much money invested in a good squad. We need a world class squad.
foreign_viewer
Hello Frlamp..it is really nice to hear from you and i hope all is well with you and yours...i am sure you are very excited about the chances of the Belgian NT in the coming World Cup. They have certainly served notice that they need to be taken very seriously. I am glad we have some of them in the Chelsea fold and hopefully we can bring Thibaut home soon and maybe add some more to the Belgian contingent here at Chelsea FC.
GabeU
Gustavo for Essien. Barkley for Lampard, Shaw for Cole. Cabaye for Ballack who was never replaced. Icardi for Torres. Lukaku for Eto'o. Sell Moses, Ba and Marin. Get those young PSV players Bakkali, Locadia, and Maher. Recall Wallace and never play Ivanovic at RB again or sell him.
foreign_viewer
Hey @FrLamp, it's been a while, good to see you're back here...
Latunvic
I don't think anyone is saying Emenalo and Roman have been perfect or should be completely absolved of any blame, like most people have pointed out, we still have some areas of the squad to improve on... I just feel it's wrong to call them mediocre and completely rubbish their works. Of course there are some decisions I really blame Emenalo, the board and Roman for, for example I will never understand why they sold Sturridge even though people here called him selfish, Meireles is another one, sacking RDM, etc.... Even at that, I can't call these guys mediocre or failures... Taking a closer look at Spurs and Mancity will help us appreciate what these guys have done and are doing... sometimes you buy these stars and things still doesn't work out well.... R.Madrid with all the top guys they have in their board/management, when was the last time they won the CL, when was the last time Bayern won it before 2013?
Latunvic
No one here has access to true/accurate info about things going on behind the scenes, what most people say here is mere hearsay.. I think the link posted by @don delsy is a good article that can educate people a bit...and like the article says, Emenalo is just an easy scapegoat for most Chelsea fans.. Someone labelled CFC as a dysfunctional organization... saying "Without JM, Roman and Emenalo would be again playing FIFA 14... wasting money on a unbalanced and dysfunctional team... I would hate to think of where Chelsea would be without JM"... really? come on!!! come on!!! these are the kind of comments I just can't understand... It just show that people are ill-informed about certain things.....
Latunvic
@Foreign you think this is PS Football or Football Manager???!!! SmH.
Tunez
@Foreign you think this is PS Football or Football Manager???!!! SmH.
Tunez
lovely piece that sparked up a good debate with no insult (thank God), but I disagree with some of your points, first thing I want to ask u is that why are we not playing well despite the players we have? if we are playing well and we grind out wins most fans won't be upset, I say it as I see it too and we play crap most of the time and it has nothing to do with the squad, the problem is the way we are setup to play, this same squad that u say is not good enough is only bettered by city, feel free to point out a better squad, u called William's purchase unnecessary at a poin yet I remembered an article where u specifically asked for him, with one of the fans in here mocking u that he isn't a winger, emenalo did his bit for us, maybe its not enough but he tried, he got us giñkel who u are happy about during preseason games, coupled with the plethora of youngsters who can also play in the pivot, no one foresaw this disaster, we have ake, loft us cheek,saville and billy Clifford add them with the impressive preseason giñkel had and with thoughts that rammy, Mikel,lampard and essien would improve under the fabled mourinho magic. so roman and emenalo did their bit and obviously mourinho is doing his judging by the table, the only problem I have with mourinho is that we are not playing as well as we can, we are capable of playing better football with this squad and amount of debate can change that opinion
Desmondadonis
Everyone seems to agree Chelsea are woefully short at No.9. That isn't even a debating point anymore. However, despite that obvious short coming, it is a media myth that Chelsea are not a high scoring team. We are. Only Man City & Liverpool have scored significantly more goals than us in the League - and they have Aguero & Suarez. And we scored 12 in the CL. The problem isn't we can't score, it is we can't score enough to take a comfortable 2 or 3 goal lead, which takes the tension out of the air. How often do Liverpool & Man City seem to be 2 or 3 up by half-time? The old Jose Chelsea was built to hold on to 1-0 or 2-0 leads without a worry in the world. The new Chelsea always look vulnerable, that is why our strikers glaring misses are spreading panic through the team as the match drags on. As a result Jose has started to move back to a more defensive 4-3-3 and we start hearing the media go on about "boring, boring Chelsea". But remember, for the first time in years Jose is actually trying to win us the League not just a place in the top 4. With our strikers I don't think we can do it this year, but Jose will try every trick in the book to try and make it happen.
CobhamBlue
Good debates,but I'm done and way passed the blame game. Everyone has had their faults and i don't think Emenalo is the best at what he does as technical director,he's been a decent scout and has done a decent job in recruiting top prospects that will serve the club in the future,in the youth side and first team. Is he the best as an intermediary btw the Owner and Manager,is he neutral or usually on the owners side of the post...for a decent delivery the Manager,TD/Board,Owner all have to be on the same page,there has to be a goal for implementation to take place. I really don't care about the faults in the past,that's long gone and this is a new era,we have to get it right going forward(in the summer),then i can criticize the board,owner or manager for their inability to fix the gaping holes. For now we'll just keep having back and forts and trying to apportion blames,everyone gets a share of the blame,fans included.
nelyvanile
Hey! FrLamp,been a while mate,hope you are in top shape. Seasons greetings lad! Cheers!
nelyvanile
@gabeu these (from the article I suggested) are the duties of emenalo: "He supports the work of the first team manager He leads the club's international and domestic scouting network He assists in driving the technical programmes of the club's Academy and international youth network." His job isn't to "sign" players, only to "scout" players he thinks we need and forward it to the manager for approval of purchase. Its only benitez that was bypassed because his role was "interim", the others (rdm, avb, and mourinho) got what they asked for maybe not all. Even before emenalo became TD, we were always signing players not to the coach's advice; remember shevchenko and torres? So for all we care, there might be another person in charge of transfers we don't know about...... Emenalo's main jobs have been performed fantastically well - our scouting network is top notch while our academy is also among the best. @latunvic, spot on. Emenalo is an easy scapegoat for we fans and not all of them knows his specific job per say. @desmond, very true mate. We should be playing much better that we are currently doing.
don delsy
@Des. Individually we have a great squad,but as a team,we are not the best of the lot in the top 5. There's more to being a team than just throwing a bunch of individuals on the pitch and wanting them to deliver. Certain position in the team gives you that sense of balance especially when you play a formation like 4-2-3-1 which is quite flexible to change during the course of a game. You'll need the players to be quite flexible offensively and defensively as well. Football is a team sport,and an individual is basically nothing without his team mates,so you need a sense of balance so the team functions as a force,Hazard has it more difficult when double or triple marked,because we have little or no runs in and around him,to drag defenders away or give him options(Team sport). The midfield usually acts as the point of balance in a squad,it helps in quick transitions from defence to attack,and also assist the attackers offensively,and the defenders defensively. I'll pick teams in the top 5 to drive my point...Arsenal depended heavily on Arteta last season,who i felt was their weak spot defensively whenever they got caught on the counter. You can talk about the acquisition of Ozil,or the form of Ramsey,but many ignore the acquisition of Flamini which gave them that sense of balance,and usually gives the attackers more license to roam. Manchester City during the summer made signings like Navas,Jovetic,Negredo and Fernandinho...You can talk about Aguero and Negredo's partnership or Navas lightening pace from the wings,but the key signing was the acquisition of Fernandinho,who's partnership with Yaya is quite admirable,and gives Nasri more freedom to roam,and covers brilliantly for Yaya when he goes on his rampaging forward runs. Everton made some great loan signings,Lukaku has been in great form for Everton,but the acquisition of Barry gave the toffees the balance they needed and Barkley the freedom to roam. Liverpool depend heavily on Luis Suarez for some great individual goals,but that would be ignoring their transition of play and movement of the ball,they've struggled with the absence of Gerrard,but the trio of Lucas-Henderson and Allen has been terrific in the last few matches,they might not be top players but they work for each other and that has seen Henderson gradually improve as a player. So the question is,do we have a well balanced side? The injury to MVG was a major blow as I felt he would most definitely have come good for Chelsea,but right now we are not well balanced,and the players are trying to adjust to the managers strategy of defending and attacking as a unit.
nelyvanile
@Pavel, I don't know why you are busy laying blame games when Jose has just completed half a season. It takes 2-3 windows to build a squad in a manager's image and another 3-5 years for that squad to become fully oiled and efficient and play the way the manager wants them to play before they can challenge for league titles and a UCL. If for all the mediocre and not so special work Emenalo has done and we only need a CF and a strong MF to compete for trophies then he ain't doing that bad, is he? Arsenal need another striker, a LB etc....Man City need a CB and a LB. Manchester United needs a whole defense and a whole midfield plus wingers. Pool is a one man team and have flaws in defense and midfield. Spuds are dead and useless and Emenalo gets an A compared to the work of Baldini. Like nely said, it takes years to build one. The Bayern Munich squad that won the UCL last season was built over 5 seasons. Real has spent serious millions and their defense is still crap. So our not so special DOF is not doing so bad ehn?????? You also don't know the full story about anything so I will caution you guys to wait till season over to judge. For the past 4 months, Mourinho has been made the scapegoat of loaning that big mouthed yapper of ours at Everton. Not until this mouth that Lukaku said the truth did Mourinho stop taking the heat.
KAKUfrank
Great points Nely!!! #onpoint
Tunez
@Don. That's definitely not true mate! Not read the article you posted,but that's very bias and trying to absolve Emenalo from any blame. You can talk about Emenalo being a scape goat,but how manyu managers has got the boot? Those were the scape goat not Emenalo. 4 season back 2009 or 2010(not sure exactly),Emenalo was given the duty of scouting top prospects youth level and 1st team level. The idea was to transit into a different brand of football,and be more eye catching...Emenalo started getting stick from fans when Wilkins was sacked and he replaced Wilkins as Carlo's assistant,so the notion that Emenalo is an easy scape goat is entirely force. We run things differently at our club,and your job title doesn't necessarily mean that's what you entirely carry out,i can say this with authority cause I've had families work as staffs at the club,and still have friends who do. Emenalo acts as an intermediary btw the manager and the Owner,and as an intermediary,you try to keep both parties on the opposing ends informed of the demands. If there's a bridge in understanding and conversation then the intermediary gets the stick,as was the case with Carlo,AVB and RDM. With Jose this time its different,all staffs were present when Jose and his crew put the project plan on the board,everyone asked questions and the plan going forward was strategically explained with details. Like i said no one escapes the blame and Emenalo gets a good share of the blame for past deeds...We obviously have to move on from that,its the past and its a different era and ask now.
nelyvanile
Sorry for the typos,eating and typing. Lol
nelyvanile
What am saying is,there's always been a plan,but the plan has always lacked the driving force of a manager,with the constant chopping and changing of managers. The club has a direction they want to take,hence the acquisition of young prospects. Its naturally not going to take one window or two to get it sorted out,its a continuous process and they all have to see the same flaws and think in the same direction. Jose was told the plan before he came,he liked the plan and tabled a better mode of direction. We've faltered for the last few years trying to transit,but we've failed because in the process of transiting we wanted to be competitive as well. Scolari,Carlo 2nd season,AVB,RDM all got chopped because they couldn't stay competitive while transiting.
nelyvanile
Emenalo is definitely Roman's man, not an unbiased intermediary, he sits in Roman's box at most, if not every, match. Roman sits with Eugene Tennenbaum, Emenalo & believe it or not, our ex-manager Bobby Campbell at most matches. These are the people Roman listens to. He has also given a lot of power to Marina Granovskaia, the most powerful woman in football. As Roman never speaks in public (- apart from to Oran Tully - Sky Sports Special - My Special Day: Chelsea FC - if you haven't seen it look it up on YouTube - it is fantastic) nobody knows if Roman takes advice or just acts on his own whim. Everyone knows we don't have a decent striker, but other than that what has gone so badly wrong? We are 2 points off the top of the league. Jose is a good manager and is adjusting to cope with our striker failures. It might all go wrong in the second half of the season or Torres might start scoring and we win the league. It is too early to talk about failure.
CobhamBlue
Man City played PS football and look at them. Abramovich has done it before. He needs to do it again. A complete overhaul. All players present in 2006 should be replaced.
foreign_viewer
Ok guys, emenalo has his own share of the blame? Agreed. But whose job is it to identify the players we need? Emenalo Or mourinho? We can continue this argument for forever but am not willing to do that. In conclusion, i think we are about seeing the final stage of transition in the sense that only a few top signings (3 or 4) are needed to complete the puzzle. So, I'll advise we just look forward to the summer and see who "mourinho" decides to sign.
don delsy
@cobham, no doubt jose is a very good manager but all good managers have their strength. Do you think Wenger would have league titles with chelsea squad of 04 05? I don't think so he will want them playing tip tap one touch football which wasn't the strength of our team them. No matter how good your players are if you don't set them up in a good system and adjust to their strength they will keep struggling. I do understand we have issues with the strikers which the opposition that wins you games but in my opinion we might be third but I don't think jose utilising the potentials some of this players have. Whatever position we finish this season I hope he is giving money to buy his players to his strength of management.
pila12
@cobham, no doubt jose is a very good manager but all good managers have their strength. Do you think Wenger would have league titles with chelsea squad of 04 05? I don't think so he will want them playing tip tap one touch football which wasn't the strength of our team them. No matter how good your players are if you don't set them up in a good system and adjust to their strength they will keep struggling. I do understand we have issues with the strikers which the opposition that wins you games but in my opinion we might be third but I don't think jose utilising the potentials some of this players have. Whatever position we finish this season I hope he is giving money to buy his players to his strength of management.
pila12
@Desmond,I totally agree with you mate.We have the second best squad in the league,so why is the football so poor.We all know we need a DM,who can dictate the tempo of a game,someone like Alonso and a class CF but why is our style and play so terrible to watch.I know we're near the top but the standard of teams this year outside the top eight is really weak.
THEBREEZE
Jose has tried to play to our "strengths" but our failure to score enough goals whilst on top has often resulted in us dropping points later in the game. We went through a spell a few weeks ago when we conceded about 10 goals in 5 games. Clearly something had to be done. Jose said he wouldn't change the way we played but he did - at Arsenal - and we got a draw and had the best chance in the match.
CobhamBlue
from watching chelsea this season one thing stands out hugely and thats that the team is never set up to play to a strikers strengths! when we had drogba we were set up to fit him perfectly and thats why he scored a lot of goals and why the attackers behind him also scored a lot of a goals. Now when we play with torres to eto'o we never play to help get the best out of them. Never do we release early balls for torres to chase onto through gaps or when he is hanging on the shoulder of the last defender. i can't keep count the amount of times i have seen torres about to make a defence splitting run only to see rami,oscar,hazard or anyone else look up then dribble a bit or just spray the ball wide, then torres just holding his hands up or looking frustrated! i know torres hasn't hit the heights or hasn't helped himself sometimes but if we set up to play to him all the time and gave him chance after chance in a90 minutes I'm sure we would get a good few more goals. it has been awful this season being bout to count on 2/3 fingers how many chances our strikers actually get in one game! until the manager sets up his team to play to a strikers strengths we will never see whatever striker is playing scoring a great amount of goals! why buy a striker for £50 million if you don't play to his strengths? i actually not get why we buyorld class strikers if we just shoe horn them into our style of play? teams are normally built to fit in there star man striker so he can score 30+ goals a season we sen to try and fit a striker into our way of playing even if goes totally against the strikers grain. Baffling it really is. a strikers job is to score goals,but cannot do that if he isn't one being played how he should be and two having the team play to his tune.
Dave-David
why is the football so poor? Well, google that mate; but be sure Alonso is no DM but a ******** regista aka a deep-lying playmaker who packs a tough tackle!
HGH Magic
THEBREEZE, Is the standard of teams outside the top 8 really that weak? Sunderland have beaten Man City & Everton. WBA beat Man Utd. Cardiff beat Man City. Stoke have beaten Chelsea. Aston Villa have beaten Arsenal & Man City. Hull beat Liverpool.
CobhamBlue
Suffice it then to say, CobhamBlue; there are no dark clouds gathering ... at least not around our Chelsea. Simples ;-)
HGH Magic
I've heard a lot about our playing style and i think it needs to be discussed to a large extent for better understanding. The playing style isn't a quick fix approach,its something that develops as the philosophy and identity grows in the lads. It's strategically implemented with time as the players develop their game and become more comfortable with the clubs philosophy rather than what feels more comfortable for the players. I'll explain further,in the past the Chelsea football club had to change their style to suit the players we had rather than the other way round,and that was bcos we lacked an identity or a philosophy,we lacked a base so we had to play to the players strength. Any manager that tried to implement a different philosophy,had difficulty because the base and foundation was suited to fit the players we had at that time,and as usual led to a lot of chop and changing. The easy thing for Jose to do would be to take the quick fix approach and play to the players strength and keep them in their comfort zone,but that's not the plan. The plan was to implement an identity,implement a style and the no 10 position as base for the foundation,whatever player we got from here in,was suited for the philosophy,or has to adjust to it,the current lads have to adjust to the philosophy. Barcelona created an identity and every player they have,had to adjust,every player they signed,had to adjust/was suited. We've taken a different turn from the quick fix approach,we want to create something that will be a force for decades. Creating an identity/philosophy starts with the mentality,psychologically adjusting your game,that's the difficult part,once you adjust it becomes natural and you express yourself better. What's the plan? Defending and attacking as a unit,imploring various styles of pressing to win the ball early,and transiting to catch the opposition defence out of shape. So yes the playing style doesn't look great right now,but what building looks great in a skeletal work?!?! Carefree.
nelyvanile
@CobhamBlue,I see your point but it did make me laugh and think,maybe the whole league is crap,if we think teams like Stoke and Cardiff are quality.
THEBREEZE
THEBREEZE, 4 teams in the last 16 of the Champions League and 2 in the last 32 of the Europa League. And all 4 English UCL teams beat the 4 German Champions League teams (All 4 WON in Germany!). The League is definitely not crap!
CobhamBlue
 

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