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Facts and Opinions

I am well aware that this site exists to allow all our fans, wherever they are in the world, to express an opinion and I love reading the many diverse, often well reasoned ones that get posted on here.

What I don't enjoy is reading all the negative, so called opinions, usually presented by their authors as fact, or at least leaving little doubt that the writer is 100% certain he's correct and making all too clear that no way is anyone else's counter opinion going to get any sort of consideration.

Enough of opinions for now in this article, let`s have some REAL FACTS!

Fact 1 - Mata is going, (subject to terms and a medical) and to Manure at that. I don't like it, I want to keep him but, I've wanted to keep every half decent player that's ever pulled on our shirt, even if we'd already signed a better replacement, I wanted to keep them, just in case someone got injured, or just to stop a rival getting him, or I liked the colour of his eyes....- OK, so that last one's a lie but you get the message.

Fact 2 - Salah is signing for us (again subject to terms and a medical) - Personally I like it, he looked a very decent player v us in the last couple of years, his club scoring record is decent for a midfielder and even better for his national side, suggesting he may prosper when playing with better team mates. Now I don't know how many of those games for Egypt were against good opposition, I don't even know whether Egypt are a better side than Basle but, and here's

Fact 3 - I bet Jose knows, because I guarantee the club's scouts have done their job and passed that knowledge to Jose. And do you know what? Fact 3 is really the only one that matters and we should be celebrating that. The Special One left us last time, in no small measure due to a breakdown in his relationship with Roman - the bringing in of Avram Grant being the most public display of that. But the word is that both Roman and Jose have changed and now have a great working relationship. Long may it continue because IN MY OPINION, or is it .................

FACT 4 - Jose Mourinho at Chelsea = trophies won or at the very least genuinely challenged for. And for a fact, I love that. What's your opinion?




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Date:Friday January 24 2014

Time: 7:26AM

Your Comments

exactly my thoughts...roman and jose are on thesame page now. roman was very happy seeing us rape man u even when we werent at our best..so long may it continue...
vitalwillian
Why give them Mata and not have rooney.....im not wishing him luck there,hope he gets injured or become another kagawa....... That may be harsh but that's how i feel..... Mtcheew
Puremikel
Why give them Mata and not have rooney.....im not wishing him luck there,hope he gets injured or become another kagawa....... That may be harsh but that's how i feel..... Mtcheew
Puremikel
Why give them Mata and not have rooney.....im not wishing him luck there,hope he gets injured or become another kagawa....... That may be harsh but that's how i feel..... Mtcheew
Puremikel
"Why give them Mata and not have rooney" - I don't understand why everyone is so puzzled by this. Jose doesn't want Mata, Moyes wants Rooney. It really is that simple. Chelsea cannot and will not build it's plans around another team not having a specific player. Jose is building the team to face anything that can be thrown against it.
londonfc
Hernandez wants out at Manu lets go for him
herefordchelsea
Wat a fuuny video.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8J9et3Zme8
Abidemi
Salah can be a very good player but he is not consistent enough. He is only 21 so that is be to be expected. If Chelsea can up his consistency levels we will have a very good squad player, if we can't we will probably sell him on to a mid-level club for roughly the same money we paid for him. It is always a gamble when you buy young players in the £10-15m category.
CobhamBlue
The disappointing thing, is that the club will come out with a statement saying that `Mata asked to leave to go to Man United`. Trying to shift the whole thing on to the player and away from the club. That will no doubt be part of the clubs acceptance that the deal goes through with the player. As if to say to the fans that there is nothing we could do about it . . . . watch this space. Our best player over the last 2 years, should never under any circumstances be sold to the rival club that we have been competing with over the last 10 years. Mata should have been sold abroad. It saddens me to say, that the club that I love is run by muppets who have no concept of how to run a football club, except to just continually throw money at it.
Blueheart9
Selling Mata to our fiercest opponent of the Roman Era is the main stinking thing about this deal. We are helping them come out of the hole that they are in. Many top players were shunning United/avoiding United. This is a morale boosting signing for them. A Major sign of intent from Moyes and the United board. Respect of the United Players towards Moyes may increase after this signing. The fans might get off their back a bit. We have given them Mata for 6-8 million more than what they paid Everton for Fellani. Ridiculous. I hope in the long run, we will be in a better shape than United. I want them not to make the top 4. Can't forget the EGGS that the United Fans were Throwing at US after we Lost to them In the Champions League Final. Worst Fans in my book. Worse than Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Barca fans in my book … lol.
StamfordDLion
We all got to move on now. KTBFFH and keep your heads up mates.
StamfordDLion
Jose's Interview at 12:30 is one of the most anticipated interviews of the season. Waiting for the press conference.
StamfordDLion
well said london fc and good article
BIG_R
Yes, mata leaving is a sad thing, but that do not stop us from looking forward...People dont trust emenalo's decision earlier, not they dont trust Manager's decision also...Whats the use of keeping Mata on bench....its a loss loss for both parties...
Blu_run
Jose will no doubt say that Mata wanted to join Man United and therefore there was nothing we could do. Too bad, we should never have sold our best player to Man United under any circumstances. Sell him abroad. Roman you have been ill informed yet again. Every season without fail, the club make short sighted, stupid decisions of one kind or another, largely because of the non football people surrounding our owner. Manchester City on the other hand have brought in a team of professionals who were instrumental in creating the Barcelona blueprint. As a club they will be miles ahead of us in the next 5 years. Meanwhile we plod on with a group of Romans friends, Michael Emenalo, Bruce Buck and Ron Gourlay our previous stadium manager who have no football experience whatsoever. Is it any surprise that these things keep happening. Never mind, why not just throw some more money at another average player, that will sort out the problem wont it. We have no foundations as a club after 10 years of ownership, as said earlier, we just roll on with one 6 month plan after another.
Blueheart9
great deal 4 all d parties. it pay us as i dont tink we av eva sell a player 4 such amount of money. it pays united bcos dey need 2 sign big players & it pays Mata bcos he need playin time as we r in d world cup year. though i am not happy abt it but i want 2 believe JM knws wot he is doin & he has d backin of d board bcos 2 me Mata is untouchable at CFC.
oladsomething
You cant put this on Roman and the board Mourinho has made Mata's position untenable its all on him. Trying to make this about the board is stupid its quite apparent Jose has the say as he did with stopping Ba going to Arsenal. People on here have been asking the board to let the manager have full control and this is what is happening I cant see Emenalo or the board being happy about this deal at all, I genuinely believe any other manager would have built the team around Mata not marginalize him and treat him like a leper and not even talk to Juan about why he wasn't in the team. Jose didnt want Juan and basically forced him out thats all if Benitez had done this everyone would be asking for his head.
ACEA01
Best player? He was not even making to the playing 11. Yes was our best in last 2 seasons, but look where we finished in those 2 years in the league. Now we are playing without him and the results are much better. In Jose's system we are hardly going to miss him. It is very unusual that a bench warmer can bring 40m to the club. I don't get this moaning and groaning here.
Keyser Soze
I don't understand this line of our league position 2 seasons ago with Mata playing. It is total BS. We are 3rd because Eto and Torres have scored against Man City, Liverpool and Manchester United. How many goals did our strikers score against them at home last season? ZERO. Without Torres's and Eto's goals, we will be 5th behind Pool and fighting with Spurs. The reason we are fighting for the title is our strikers FORM. Not because of dropping Mata.....
KAKUfrank
Keyser soze blaming matter solely for where we finish in those two season is rather unfair, have you forgoten the sulking torres?, have you forgoten the drogba's malaria episode, what of the inconsistent kalou and malouda, let's not even talk about david luiz and ivanovic{despite his zeal in the shirt} howlers,cech too is not a saint in this drama...and as for not being in the current 1st 11,that's the managers decision..atleast we all know how the fat one handled terry's case last season.
Ige Bosun
''Mata''
Ige Bosun
@Kaku , to an extent you may be right , but form is temporary ..and weeks from now if etoo and ba get injuries where will be ? possibly not even top 4 , if our strikers were being consistent your point would be first class , but they arent , and your point though for now may be true , it isnt a strong one
Blue_Mel
@Kaku , to an extent you may be right , but form is temporary ..and weeks from now if etoo and ba get injuries where will be ? possibly not even top 4 , if our strikers were being consistent your point would be first class , but they arent , and your point though for now may be true , it isnt a strong one
Blue_Mel
Mata will eventually leave for man utd and i've accept that, but to see any member of the blue nation blame him solely for our poor league finish is disheartening..Our disposition to situations at times are the reasons the opposing fans are encouraged to labelled us 'plastics'.
Ige Bosun
Let wait n hear what JM will say in 1hrs time.
blue5
I am not blaming Mata at all, I said he was our best player for 2 years. But now things are very different with the change of manager. We now play better as a team, without Mata. I would rather see the team well than any particular player doing well and team fails. We are just 2 points off the leader and now we have bought Matic and Salah (who are both cup tied). So they will play the league in very good condition. We will be stronger in the 2nd half of the season. It is a sad thing that Mata is leaving, but it is the right move for his career.
Keyser Soze
Isn't it painful that the disgusting spanish press will look at chelsea and said ''we were right all along''?..but in la nista Jose and his gladiators i still trust, earnestly wishing them lucks and favours as we move on,'cos they're going to need lots of it.
Ige Bosun
@kakufrank, we are two points off the top and maybe our strikers are scoring because of Jose tack ticks! Do you really think you know how to manage Chelsea better than Jose, if you did you would be our manager, but your not so lets back our manager a trust that he knows what he doing. We have a great chance to do something very special this year and for me I would back what ever Jose thinks is best. Thats his job and he's bloody good at what he does, if he wants to sell Matta thats ok with me, if he thinks this Salah is right for his system then fine. Jose, I believe, has the best interests of Chelsea at heart and I trust him to do a better job then either you or anyone else in the world for that matter so get off his back and get behind OUR team. Come on you blues !!
BIG_R
Nobody doubts Mata has been a good player for Chelsea but we have a new manager, who has changed the team, and without Mata we are performing better. It's not like Mourinho has never played Mata. In the month or so leading up to New Year he played quite often and he really didn't do much. To some extent it might be bad luck. Mata played against Southampton, made it clear he was unhappy to come off, but Oscar replaced him and within 10 minutes had turned the game on its head. Top teams allow top players to leave for various reasons but it doesn't stop them being successful. Barcelona let Eto'o leave and he went on to win the Champions League at Inter - knocking Barca out in the SF - but in the long run it didn't do Barca any harm. It would have been great if Mata could have stayed sitting on the bench for when we needed him but, in this FFP climate, £37m for a squad player is just too good an offer to turn down.
CobhamBlue
@Blue_Mel, sorry mate. My point is a strong one. The only reason we don the double in 2009/2010 was Drogba's form. The only reason we won the UCL and FA Cup under RDM was Drogba's form in the UCL which if I am correct Mata and created and scored 4 out of the 7 goals we put through Tottenham and Liverpool. He also created Drogba's goal. And the only reason we are challenging for the title now is Eto and Torres's form against teams we screwed up against last season. That is not Mata's fault. SO please, folks should stop trivializing his contributions in the last 2 seasons by claiming we were not challenging for the title. Our strikers form is the reason we are challenging. Not dropping Juan Mata....
KAKUfrank
Yawn @BIG_R
KAKUfrank
Yeah @BIG_R. Jose tactics has helped Torres score 4 goals in 17 PL games. Fantastic achievement.
KAKUfrank
I beg to differ on that keyser soze, we play the most exciting football with mata as our creative spark and other club managers and analysts confessed to this, the only snag is we dont usually get the desired result[3pts]..but with Jose's approach we've been more efficient and picking the points even against greater odds{city}..
Ige Bosun
KAKUfrank, This time last season we were just like Man Utd - if not worse! We managed to lose at home to QPR & Swansea. Threw away 2 goal leads against Reading & Southampton and were held 2-2 by Brentford. That was all in the space of a few weeks. Mourinho has changed all that for the better. It was only last Saturday Jose said Mata would be staying at Chelsea, but it would appear last Sunday when Jose was having his glass of wine with Fergie he realized Man Utd were prepared to pay nearly £40m for one of our reserves. It's crazy money we just couldn't turn down.
CobhamBlue
Just sad that the magnificient and margical mata has to be the sacrificial lamb in this..
Ige Bosun
excellent points kaku.
Ige Bosun
KAKUfrank, I agree Drogba was the main inspiration behind the Champions League win but 2009/10 Double was inspired by 4 players in particular Drogba, Lampard, Malouda & Anelka. Chelsea attacked like Man City that season - and we will have to wait and see if Man City can reach 103 PL goals - but, as is typical with the English media, Chelsea didn't get half the credit Man City are getting now.
CobhamBlue
What Mourinho said last Sunday is irrelevant. In short, what he says these days are irrelevant as if you look back everything turns out to be something else or a lie. Like you said yesterday elsewhere, he wanted to sell him in the summer and found a way through frustrating, subbing early, dropping from match day games you name it. They were games where Oscar was poorer and he still started the next game. People will hide behind the "defensive quality argument" but lord knows we threw points away against Swansea LAST SEASON because of Ivanovic howlers NOT Mata. We threw 2 points away at reading last season. Rafa benitez subbed Mata for Benayoun in the 77th minute when were 2-0 up. Mata scored first goal and created the 2nd for Lampard via a corner kick. Reading equalized AFTER MATA was subbed. First goal was Ivanovic and Cahill howlers. 2nd goal was cartoon defending in the box. Again. NOT MATA's fault. Against QPR, he didn't even come in till the 75th minute. That is 6-7 points just dropped on Ivanovic and co's mistakes. You can count another 6-7 points dropped because of our strikers form in the PL. You can say anything else, but that line with Mata we didn't so and so in the last 2 seasons is not his fault. I can live and understand the not fitting system argument and that's fine, but others should be thrown away.
KAKUfrank
its up to the board which club is best that Mata is sold too. The manager might not want or need the player, but it is not Jose`s decision to where he goes. That is down to Roman and his clowns.
Blueheart9
Mourinho's primary job is to make Chelsea win, which he is doing nicely. Regarding who scores an who's not, well who cares the team is winning. Whiners will will keep on whining, no matter what.
Keyser Soze
What's done is done. We will have to move forward. It'll be interesting to see what Jose says in the presser!!
syed230183_chelseafc
KAKUfrank, You have an incredible memory for the details of every match! Anyway, the point really is, whatever the individual incidents which lead to us scoring or conceding, Mourinho has set in place a system which does not seem to suit Mata, and the facts are he has not played particularly well this season because the system doesn't suit him. Now if Chelsea were sitting 6th, 14 points off the top we could all call out Jose. But we are not, we are having our most successful Premier League season in 5 years. Most managers would probably have dump John Terry for David Luiz. Mourinho went back to Terry/Cahill and our defense has gradually improved. We all talked about the need to balance the squad, how we needed more in defensive midfield and centre forward. The manager makes decisions for the good of the team/club. Mourinho's reputation is based on results. Roman thought he wanted pretty Barca football but we kept losing stupid points when we tried that. After the Stoke/Sunderland games Mourinho went back to basics and so far the results have been tremendous. All the tika/taka is out the window now we are moving back to what Mourinho does best - solid defense and quick counter attacks. I don't know any Chelsea fans that are happy to see Mata leave, but unless we have an injury (and Oscar will probably get injured on Sunday now!) Mata was not going to play. Maybe Jose should have played him instead of Oscar but he made the decision to go with Oscar and he's sticking with it.
CobhamBlue
The words of Arsene Wenger : ‘United was not a club I wanted to sell Van Persie to, I wanted to sell him to Juventus,’ revealed Wenger. ‘But he had decided to go to Manchester United and at the end of the day you need the agreement of the three parties.’
avbhimself
Arsene wenger said chelsea and mancity where killing the game by big money signing yet he bought ozil for 41mil............... He sold nasri, clinchy and rvp that was not bad till chelsea sold mata wenger is not serious ......I hate the fact that chelsea is selling mata to manure but if that is what has to be done as seen by mourinho I think nobody here knows the business better than he does ......................succes mata but never against chelsea please
Finney_angel
@Kaku, Not saying it was Matas fault, but relying on aparticular player or a a group of players' form is RISKY business . It may work , it may not , re Drogba it wasnt exactly a risk as we also had a strong team. Relying on the strikers'(that we have) form is too risky for my liking. Our transfer policy is already being affected because of Torres injury . Its not a position i want us be in . and the sale of Mata to our rivals is also a risky move though it does have some points of merit such as he may help United take points from Arsenal and City. If it achieves its end and we win the Championship , then it will prove to be a good bit of business, but tat remains to be seen and what of the following seasons? What if , Mata makes the difference to teh extent that Everton and United kick us ou of the top 4 because of further injuries or Ba's Etoo's dodgy form? It could also prove to be a massive mistake.
Blue_Mel
Not that it has to do with anything but I've completely lost the faith in Mourinho. Lol Mourihno had even sold one of his best, if not the best player Mata, who for whatever the Jose apologists say could have been integrated into the team. Oscar is a good player no doubt but his a mere shadow compared to Mata.
Luna
*had sold and yes LOL
Luna
League position don't really determine how good a player is but how good the whole team is. Suarez is probably playing the best football of his career but Liverpool won't win the league. http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/25793727. Watch jose's assessment on Juan mata on bbc, it will answer a lot of questions and people blaming mata for our league position in the last 2 seasons.
pila12
@luna u are free to support mata where he goes. ok?
habbo
I respect the club for allowing Mata to join another English club. If the guy likes playing in England, let him play. If he requested to be able to talk to another club, let him talk. And you know what else? Good on CFC for addressing Juan Mata as an actual human being - not just a pawn in a football match. (like some of the rest of you) It doesn't matter if he goes to a rival. It's a freaking job, not a national defense position. The simple fact is, Mata couldn't compete in the Mourinho system. It DOES NOT mean that he isn't "good enough" - it just means that he couldn't beat out the team competition for a place. No point in punishing him, just let him move and be happy. Give him his respect when he's on the pitch against us, and always honor him for his valuable contributions in a blue shirt. Juan Mata does us no disrespect with the manner of his departure, nor his choice of new employer...
solid7
Losses to Basel and Stoke this season.
foreign_viewer
Do you guys think Mata himself is planning this as long term? It just doesn't seem right. If anything I think its just quick decisions for any kind of minutes. Think 2 seasons from now, do you really see Mata as a MU player?
Pavel Permiachkin
Pavel - it's pretty hard to consider a football contract as a "short term" decision, considering that a contract is usually in the ball park of 5 years for a player of Mata's age. That, and the fact that there are no guarantees that you will have an option to move on. (due to injuries, form, etc)
solid7
So no, I think that Juan Mata is a pure footballer, and wants to play as much as possible. (regardless of WC)
solid7
Manure will sack Moyes. Abramovich will sack Mourinho for failing to win after selling Mata. Mourinho will then go to manure. Why else would he be sucking up to them so much?
foreign_viewer
Mou just confirmed that Mata left bcos he wanted to go and the money was good. That settles it. Enough of all these guys, lets move on. No need keeping a classy player like Mata on the bench when you can get 40m Pounds for him & buy an extremely talented, quick and skillful hardworking winger like Salah who will actually play and suit Mou's philosophy. Salah is a CFC player, support him. I believe he will turn out to be a bargain like Willian. Hazard, Schurlle, Salah, Oscar & Willian are perfect for Jose and will do really well especially with the signing of the solid Matic.
SameX
habbo Of course I'm free but I would rather follow Mata in Chelsea as our main playmaker and number 1O with quality striker and proper CMs and if must wingers doing needed defending without that much of an obligation to create as Mata. Ferguson decision to sell Pogba wasn't LOL? This is the same kind except we already let Sturridge go so with us it's LOL LOL: When you're done with anger and disappointment all you are left to do is simply laugh.
Luna
Mata did not ask to leave Chelsea, according to http://www.squawka.com/news/2014/01/24/mourinho-didnt-speak-to-mata/2014012459307
RomansArmy
Hello Everyone.Im a Chelsea fan for 13 years and this is my first post here.Reading Mourinhos interview today as he confirmed Matas exit was a painful one.It feels as though we have sold off Zola to Manutd to me.I wasn't lucky enough to watch Zola in his prime but was privileged to see his last 2 years at Chelsea.Watching him chip the ball over the keeper against Everton is a moment I will never forget.Watching Mata over the last few years, I was sure he would have a long,glittering,inspiring career as Zola.Thank you for everything,you will always be remembered for your part in Chelsea most glorious moment.Following Mata over last 2 years with his assists,vision,audaciousness as he made football look beautiful and simple at the same time was a real privilege.Big Thank you Mr.Mata on behalf of all Chelsea fans.Respect#
RottenEggs
For those blaming mata for our league position,we finished 6th in his 1st season and 3rd in his 2nd season..we were making progress,we also won the f.a cup, champions league and europa league,and thats in just two years which mata also swept home consecutive player of the year award,what say ya about that??huh??
Ken4CFC
even if mata asked to leave,no player of his calibre and pedigree wont do same after such treatment he was subject to by jose
Ken4CFC
jose forced mata out
Ken4CFC
Mata is a very good player but lets be honest Moyes and ManU have just wasted 40m Pounds on a player/position they dont need. They already have a strong and equally talented #10 in Rooney. They will score 2 and conceed 2 or more cos their pivot is crap and their defence is leaky. Moyes will want to play all of Mata, Januzaj, Rooney & RvP as his first choice front 4 which will leave their flanks exposed and put more pressure on their crap fullbacks and defence. They will score goals but still draw or lose especially against teams with deadly wingers. The bad news is, RvP is back to his injury crises, age is quickly catching up on Rooney and Januzaj is still very young. It wont be long before Mata gets bored and moves to PsG, Monaco, Athletico etc... ManU fans are rejoicing (like we did when we signed Torres for 50m) but they are only doing us a huge favour as our FFP standing looks good and Jose wont be obligated to play Mata anymore.
SameX
Agree with KAKUFRANK,Ken4CFC.Seems as though Mourinho did want Mata out from the outset.Each he did manage to start, I could see Mourinho substituting him at 60 mins. Plus he was never played in his natural AM position even with or without Oscar.I was really excited at the end of last year with the attacking band of 3,Debryne,Kalas,Lukaku,Courtois,Lewis baker,Traore and co all doing well it felt as though we were developing an exciting young team for the future.In 6 months most of this young crop has left/is leaving the club.
RottenEggs
The only "treatment" that I saw, was not being selected to play in a particular styel of play. Nothing was tantamount to abuse, that I saw. If you tell me that he verbally abused him, singled him out for punishment and/or ridicule, or something along those lines, that would be problematic. Unfortunately, it's the manager's call who plays, and who stays. We all like to complain about prima donnas, but don't comments like that make some us enablers? (I think they do) The fact is, nothing in this situation violated the terms of Mata's contractual agreement with CFC. It could have happened to any player...
solid7
like most other true blues i'm totally disgusted with the mata sale.i haven't been as sickened since peter osgood's move to southampton in 1974 for £275k. like now it was a pretty hefty fee for a club legend in his prime. but to southampton? puzzling. we were a club in decline (which none of us knew much about or even realized how bad the financial siatution was) but at least there was some sort of explaination for it. slightlry different bit here's a headline we HAVEN'T seen yet MATA TRANSFER PROVES JOSE IS COMPLETELY IN CONTROL THIS TIME AROUND AT CHELSEA i'll addd my tuppence worth that jose better get it right after this huge decision. i loved juan and don't want to see him pulling the strings in the no.10 and scoring for fun for manure (next season) because i hate them more than anyone can know.
trueblue44
The only "treatment" that I saw, was not being selected to play in a particular styel of play. Nothing was tantamount to abuse, that I saw. If you tell me that he verbally abused him, singled him out for punishment and/or ridicule, or something along those lines, that would be problematic. Unfortunately, it's the manager's call who plays, and who stays. We all like to complain about prima donnas, but don't comments like that make some us enablers? (I think they do) The fact is, nothing in this situation violated the terms of Mata's contractual agreement with CFC. It could have happened to any player...
solid7
Had tears in my eyes after viewing this video. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sZnRP_AcBi4
RomansArmy
Dont get me wrong, Mata is very talented but he will only shine in a team with better defence & pivot. I wish him luck though
SameX
@Samex, that is wishful thinking. Manure will still buy more players this January which will only make them better. Then Mata will have more better players around him.
RomansArmy
(even if mata asked to leave,no player of his calibre and pedigree wont do same after such treatment he was subject to by jose) I agree with solid7. As if Jose was abusing him. Did Mata force his way/cement his spot in the 1st team like Willian? I am also sad to see Juan go. I am angry that he was sold to our biggest rival United. I would have appreciated if Mata would have opted to go to a club abroad and if we had sold him abroad. Mind you, I didn't want him to be sold at all. Terry is showing this season that he is our BEST CB. When Rafa benched him for long periods of time even after he had recovered, I didn't hear the same people who are accusing Jose of mistreating Mata say the same things to Rafa in defence of Terry. Double Standards.
StamfordDLion
When he doesn't get the results he will moan about squad depth like the last time.
foreign_viewer
I honestly have never heard of competition as a bad thing. Who cares if Manchester United builds a world class squad? What good is it watching a league with predictable results? Let them build. Let them make us work hard. Half of the enjoyment of a sporting match, is seeing who has the tactical prowess to outsmart an opponent with superior firepower in certain positions. Sporting is not just about one person or team winning everything, all the time. It's a GAME, with variables that make it unpredictable, exciting, and most importantly... ENTERTAINING. Some you of you act as if your life depends on the outcome of the next match! If it does, suggest you see help for your gambling habit! :)
solid7
hahaha..i know he will surely bring up rafa's name,thats how much he loves the man..lol
Ken4CFC
mata does not have to be beaten to death or racially abused by jose befeore you realised he was ill-treated by jose,infact it was poor man-management on his part,how often do you see a coach come out and publicly declare a youngster as his prefered #10 over the best player for two consecutive years??..how often have we seen mata get benched even when does playing in his position sucked??..mata was relegated to the bench from the start of the season while lampard and co where thrown straight into the lineup as soon as they were half fit,mata was strapped with a seatbelt to the bench continuosly irrespective of the form of those playing ahead of him,he was first to be subbed as soon as things go wrong in the very few games he started even when he was far better than others,if this few points and others unmentioned arent prove enough that he wasnt treated well by jose,then i dont know what it is
Ken4CFC
mata does not have to be beaten to death or racially abused by jose befeore you realised he was ill-treated by jose,infact it was poor man-management on his part,how often do you see a coach come out and publicly declare a youngster as his prefered #10 over the best player for two consecutive years??..how often have we seen mata get benched even when does playing in his position sucked??..mata was relegated to the bench from the start of the season while lampard and co where thrown straight into the lineup as soon as they were half fit,mata was strapped with a seatbelt to the bench continuosly irrespective of the form of those playing ahead of him,he was first to be subbed as soon as things go wrong in the very few games he started even when he was far better than others,if this few points and others unmentioned arent prove enough that he wasnt treated well by jose,then i dont know what it is
Ken4CFC
Well, one can take Mourinho's inaugural statement regarding Mata in one of two ways. Either he was giving Mata a directive - change and fight for the spot, or the other option, was that he could have been putting everyone on notice, so there was no surprises. Not abuse by a long stretch. A manager has the privilege and latitude to favor one player over another. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. If we want to get technical about it, CFC did not seem to think that Mourinho was abusing a club resource, as no apparent intervention was made on his behalf. So what do you make of that? Is this still a Mourinho issue?
solid7
When the season started hazard was very inconsistent,schurrle was adapting,oscar was busy defending than creating,lampard was poor,ivanovic was terrible e.t.c but jose kept faith with them and kept playing them irrespective of their form till they adapted to his style of play,who says mata wouldnt adapt if given equal opportunity??
Ken4CFC
"Had tears in my eyes after viewing this video. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sZnRP_AcBi4" <---- Me too.. And the music "Tell Me Why" suits it so well right now. God knows I'm a HUGE Jose Mourinho fan. I didn't know him before he came to Chelsea in 2004, but since then I was hooked because he's such a winner, a dedicated professional and he inspired me. After he went to Inter, Inter became my 2nd club. Then when he went to Madrid, Madrid became my 2nd club. I was delighted when I heard he would be back at Chelsea. But I have the feeling this is a BIG mistake. There's been plenty of games this season where Oscar gave average or below average performances. Why wasn't Mata allowed to rotate with him in the 10 role? Every time he played under Mourinho it was as a right winger! That's like using Ramires as a right winger for half a season (coming from the bench or playing 60 minutes) and then selling him.. He never had a chance! I just don't understand why.. And now we have to believe Mata is "happy" to move to United? ***** that.. That's such a lie.. We could all see how much he loves this club and the passion he showed for the past two years when he wored the blue shirt. Do we really need 37 million? What for? And for those who say FFP, ***** FFP! Real Madrid, Barza, United, PSG, City and other clubs won't be in line with it by next year, and what? Do you people think they will be banned? Please... But that's another topic. I'm 27 years old and I've never felt what I'm feeling now because a player is sold. I'm sure it has to do with the fact that we're selling him to Man United too, a club that royally screwed us over with the Rooney fiasco 6 months ago, and now we're doing them a favor God knows why. So sad, I'm sure he wanted to become a club legend, and he would've been, if he was given the chance. Now Mou is under a lot of pressure to deliver trophies not for this season, but the next one for sure, because this transfer is what he and only he wanted.
Carloss86
Quaresma, Casillas, Kaka, De Bruyne...
foreign_viewer
I just read in another article that Jose didn't even speak to Mata. I don't know if this is true by the way, but this is part of the article... When I interviewed him recently Mata told me: “Some managers will speak to you when you’re playing but they won’t speak with you when you’re not. I just try to keep myself going the same no matter what, because as a professional you have to be ready for every situation, and whether he’s speaking to you or not, you should never let that affect the level of your performance.””
Carloss86
well,i dont know your definition of abuse as its a strong word for me,i only said he was ill treated and mismanaged,leaving his position untenable..ofcourse a manager have his preferences so do teams have key players who always command respect,madrid have ronaldo,barca have messi,manure have rooney,we had mata..
Ken4CFC
Ibrahimovic got the same silent treatment,its all psychological.
nelyvanile
"who says mata wouldnt adapt if given equal opportunity??" --- Ken4CFC - I don't know. That's a question that neither you nor I can answer. Neither of us are on the inside, and we know nothing more than the scraps that we're fed. If we're both being honest, here, to assume something about this situation is just conjecture, as we don't know the daily workings of the club, and what happens in the locker room or training pitch. To be honest, all I see going on with people, is opinionated statements that only reflect the desires of the person making them. In truth, there is either a good reason for this, or there isn't. Suffice it to say, you just need to make a decision which you will believe, at this point.
solid7
Carloss86 - you can't say that we got "screwed over", or that there was a "fiasco" over Wayne Rooney. For Christ sake, mate, they own the player! They aren't obligated to release him from his contract! The only thing that you can accuse them of, is doing the business that they thought was best for them at the time! Good lord, man!!!
solid7
i dont see any manager going to madrid and starts off with benching ronaldo,barca and bench messi,liverpool and bench suarez,or even manure and bench rooney without atleast giving him enough consistent gametime under their belt just because they dont suit their style
Ken4CFC
and how well did it go with ibra,pep and barca??
Ken4CFC
cut the reams of crap and the convoluted semantics, guys. like someone accurately nailed it: jose wanted mata out, and now it's fait accompli. you can twist and turn and ship out jaded loyalty caveats for not supporting this decision; fact will always remain jose made our best player redundant - and there can be absolutely no justification for that. none! learn to call a spade a spade guys, and don't hide behind any fake 'no negativity please' smokescreens. sure, gotta now live with this, and the fact that this decision can come back to bite us in the backside. maybe not this season, but ever hence... ps: was a hardcore fan of jose mark one.
johnny come lately
well,@solid7,i have made my decision-jose forced mata out
Ken4CFC
I'm not blaming United, I'm just saying they didn't do us any favors, and why should we help them now that they're in need? I would've sold him to PSG even for less money. We're giving a fantastic player to our main rivals, and make no mistakes, United will be back very strong next season. For those who say that this is good because they could take some points off City and Arsenal, that's VERY short sighted.
Carloss86
He was disrespected from the very beginning the best player of the last 2 year was told in summer that Oscar was taking his position, then he was left on the bench for the start of the season, not even spoken to by Mourinho to explain the situation and how he could get into the team. Then when he did get a chance he was given 60 minutes here and 60 minutes there regardless of how well he was playing, first player taken off every time. He hasnt even featured in the last 5 games confidence must be absolutely in the ground. I feel so bad the way Mata has been treated i wish him all the best at Man United he deserves to go somewhere he will be loved again.
ACEA01
Jose forced Mata out and now we're given crap about he "being sad" and that he didn't know that Mata would leave. I don't believe it. If there ever was one astute, clever manager, that's Jose Mourinho. We've always congratulated him for his man management skills, so he acting surprised now because Mata wants to leave is pure bull*****. He wanted Mata out from the beginning of the season. I hope it works out alright for us and we create a dynasty under him and win everything and play well. I sincerely hope so. I'm getting my emotions get the better of me, but I will puke the first time I see Mata in a United shirt. I will always be a Chelsea fan and a Mourinho fan but this hurts...
Carloss86
Selling Mata to United is the thing that is hurting the most. The pain wouldn't have been this pain if he had been sold to a club abroad even if it meant selling for a few millions less. Sick to see Mata going to United. I have said this before … we might just have given a 'Get Out of Jail Card' /Player to United.
StamfordDLion
Good to be back on here,after a few weeks absence. First i would like to Thank Mata for a wonderful 2 and half years at Chelsea football Club. He's had a huge impact on us fans,on and off the pitch,a proper model,and professional. Met him in person,and he's such a humble lad with total respect for the English culture. Wish him well,and he'll get an applause from me,whenever he visits the bridge,albeit in a Manchester United jersey. With that said,its normal for the blame game to be apportioned or thrown about,especially on VC. Who gets the stick,who's at fault,Emenalo,Mourinho,Abramovich,or even Mata himself? Its typical of Chelsea fans. I wasn't a Chelsea fanatic when my Dad made a big deal of Wilkins move to Manchester United,he was seen as the wonder kid,a captain at 18 y.o,later sold because we were in a financial mess,and needed the money,but we sold a proper chels at that time,and that left many angry. So what's different now,we are not a club plummeting in debt,we can afford to pay the same wages Manchester United offered Mata,we are not a division two club anymore and we have a plan at hand. So what exactly went wrong? Many are quick to say,hey its Jose fault,he played Mata out of position,he never liked Mata,he played him on the wings...bla bla bla. It's although important to note,that this had nothing personal to do with Mata,it was more about the lack of ability for the player to adapt. Let's break it down... The playing style isn't a quick fix approach,its something that develops as the philosophy and identity grows in the lads. It's strategically implemented with time as the players develop their game and become more comfortable with the clubs philosophy rather than what feels more comfortable for the players. I'll explain further,in the past Chelsea football club had to change their style to suit the players we had rather than the other way round,and that was bcos we lacked an identity or a philosophy,we lacked a base so we had to play to the players strength. Any manager that tried to implement a different philosophy,had difficulty because the base and foundation was suited to fit the players we had at that time,and as usual led to a lot of chop and changing. The easy thing for Jose to do would be to take the quick fix approach and play to the players strength and keep them in their comfort zone,but that was never the plan. The plan was to implement an identity,implement a style and the no 10 position as base for the foundation,whatever player we got from here in,was suited for the philosophy,while the current lads had to adjust to the philosophy. Barcelona created an identity and every player they have,had to adjust,every player they signed,had to adjust/was suited. We've taken a different turn from the quick fix approach,we want to create something that will be a force for decades. Creating an identity/philosophy starts with the mentality,psychologically adjusting your game,that's the difficult part,once you adjust it becomes natural and you express yourself better. What's the plan? Defending and attacking as a unit,imploring various styles of pressing to win the ball early,and transiting to catch the opposition defence out of shape. Over the last few weeks,we've started to see the philosophy take shape,and although its still quite rough around the edges,certain players have adjusted quickly to what's required of them. The idea was that the quickest to adjust and develop gradually earned a starting shirt as regards Willian,Oscar and Hazard. Its not about ur offensive/defensive play,its about showing you can provide the balance tactically,regardless of what position you play. Mata struggled to adapt his game not physically,but mentally,De Bruyne struggled to adapt his game mentally,Azpi improved and adapted,Luiz has improved and adapted,Willian has improved and adapted,Torres improved and adapted. You have a large squad with players fighting for first team spot,and its difficult when you're already a first teamer,trying to fight for a spot,compared to lads who are trying to get in the team. So as a player which route would you rather take,he tried but struggled and opted out and went to somewhere he'll probably get more playing time. Carefree.
nelyvanile
Good to be back on here,after a few weeks absence. First i would like to Thank Mata for a wonderful 2 and half years at Chelsea football Club. He's had a huge impact on us fans,on and off the pitch,a proper model,and professional. Met him in person,and he's such a humble lad with total respect for the English culture. Wish him well,and he'll get an applause from me,whenever he visits the bridge,albeit in a Manchester United jersey. With that said,its normal for the blame game to be apportioned or thrown about,especially on VC. Who gets the stick,who's at fault,Emenalo,Mourinho,Abramovich,or even Mata himself? Its typical of Chelsea fans. I wasn't a Chelsea fanatic when my Dad made a big deal of Wilkins move to Manchester United,he was seen as the wonder kid,a captain at 18 y.o,later sold because we were in a financial mess,and needed the money,but we sold a proper chels at that time,and that left many angry. So what's different now,we are not a club plummeting in debt,we can afford to pay the same wages Manchester United offered Mata,we are not a division two club anymore and we have a plan at hand. So what exactly went wrong? Many are quick to say,hey its Jose fault,he played Mata out of position,he never liked Mata,he played him on the wings...bla bla bla. It's although important to note,that this had nothing personal to do with Mata,it was more about the lack of ability for the player to adapt. Let's break it down... The playing style isn't a quick fix approach,its something that develops as the philosophy and identity grows in the lads. It's strategically implemented with time as the players develop their game and become more comfortable with the clubs philosophy rather than what feels more comfortable for the players. I'll explain further,in the past Chelsea football club had to change their style to suit the players we had rather than the other way round,and that was bcos we lacked an identity or a philosophy,we lacked a base so we had to play to the players strength. Any manager that tried to implement a different philosophy,had difficulty because the base and foundation was suited to fit the players we had at that time,and as usual led to a lot of chop and changing. The easy thing for Jose to do would be to take the quick fix approach and play to the players strength and keep them in their comfort zone,but that was never the plan. The plan was to implement an identity,implement a style and the no 10 position as base for the foundation,whatever player we got from here in,was suited for the philosophy,while the current lads had to adjust to the philosophy. Barcelona created an identity and every player they have,had to adjust,every player they signed,had to adjust/was suited. We've taken a different turn from the quick fix approach,we want to create something that will be a force for decades. Creating an identity/philosophy starts with the mentality,psychologically adjusting your game,that's the difficult part,once you adjust it becomes natural and you express yourself better. What's the plan? Defending and attacking as a unit,imploring various styles of pressing to win the ball early,and transiting to catch the opposition defence out of shape. Over the last few weeks,we've started to see the philosophy take shape,and although its still quite rough around the edges,certain players have adjusted quickly to what's required of them. The idea was that the quickest to adjust and develop gradually earned a starting shirt as regards Willian,Oscar and Hazard. Its not about ur offensive/defensive play,its about showing you can provide the balance tactically,regardless of what position you play. Mata struggled to adapt his game not physically,but mentally,De Bruyne struggled to adapt his game mentally,Azpi improved and adapted,Luiz has improved and adapted,Willian has improved and adapted,Torres improved and adapted. You have a large squad with players fighting for first team spot,and its difficult when you're already a first teamer,trying to fight for a spot,compared to lads who are trying to get in the team. So as a player which route would you rather take,he tried but struggled and opted out and went to somewhere he'll probably get more playing time. Carefree.
nelyvanile
stam, i don't know. sure selling to united sucks; but selling mata (period!) is the issue that overshadows wherever he is going to. jose is being cleverer by half, and it's not being appreciated.
johnny come lately
plainsofalmeria.co.uk/2014/01/24/the-politics-of-stamford-bridge/ i guess the mata dream ends..
sky1ville
nelyvanile... That's right, mate. Sucks to see the lad go, but he was a fish out of water under Mourinho. No disrespect to either one of them. Square pegs and round holes aren't meant for one another. I know that everyone thinks that Mourinho is the "round hole" in this matter, but he's doing the will of the board. If not, Mata would still be here, and Mourinho would be history once more. I honestly believe that Mourinho is going to stick around this time, and that he has a long term vision. It might hurt a bit on the way, but Chelsea has lacked vision and cohesiveness for a long time. Farewell to a great player, but thank you so much for your contributions, Mr. Mata. Please know, that if it were just for my own personal passions, and not the sake of a football dynasty, I would have retained your services indefinitely. The fact is, however, if Chelsea had gotten their act together over the past decade, instead of firing every manager who didn't win something immediately, we would well on our way to being established. And either Mata would have been a life-longer, or he never would have had to endure this nightmare. Call it growing pains, I guess... Let's hope we choose our strategy and players complimentary (rather than compulsively) from now on, and don't see this again.
solid7
ENOUGH OF THIS MOANING GET BEHIND THE TEAM IF YOU DONT WANNA GET BEHIND THE MANAGER OR JUST GET BEHIND THE CLUB THE. Calling the owner and his employees muppet shows how much you appreciate what they have done in the last decade. We re all here crying over one player. Arsenal sold lot of players to rival and the word doesn't come to an end, they even become stronger. You all are sounding like Oscar, Hazard, and Willian are all S**t players, like Mata is better than 3 of them put together, maybe we should just sell the 3 of them and have mata back. People say there were games where Oscar was poor and Jose stick to him. I also say there were games last season where Mata was poor but we never for once switch Oscar to his favorite position( even when Oscar was performing for his country at the no.10 position) and no one was saying anything about it. Mata was bought by another manager as a winger and now we re playing him as a winger people say we re playing him out of position(wow). I am not happy that he is going but the fact that mata is leaving wont make me say some stupid statement against the club, owner, staff. You all are here fighting for mata, why cant mata reject being sold and say because the fans love me so much I will rather wait till summer and go to other club, Mata can chose what club to go, if the club tell him we re selling you to United he can simply say No. Chelsea is chelsea no matter the decision we re still the club we re today because of the owner's money, mourinho's act of genius, the staff and legends. The worst decision I have seen was letting carlo go not even selling mata because I am 100% sure that the team we re assembling will be very strong and stronger than when mata was in it.
cfctoruletheworld
RottenEggs, Mourinho made it clear today that it was a club decision to sell Mata. I would presume that means Emenalo & Roman both sanctioned the sale. Mourinho did make it clear he agreed with the decision.
CobhamBlue
^That post will go over most people's heads. Some are trolls anyways and some have a demographical bias.
Pavel Permiachkin
@nelyvanile nice post mate, but I disagree with this: "It's although important to note,that this had nothing personal to do with Mata,it was more about the lack of ability for the player to adapt." I disagree with that statement because Mata was not used in the number 10 position, he was used in the right wing. That's all. I would've liked to see if he could adjust to what Mourinho was asking, but he was never used in his position, and I don't get it. Jose is smarter and he obviously has a plan. Let's see if it works. But I don't like it when he tries to spin this and says he asked Mata if he was happy to move and blabla.. Come on we're not 10 year olds... We know what happened here and he's now trying to say Mata wanted out, which is simply not the case.
Carloss86
We defend as unit we unit as a team yet we rely on individual brilliance of Hazard in 7 out of 10 games. And our philosophy is to be unable to string 5 passes together, lose ball every 5 seconds and run after it immediately, every player runs as a madman for 90 minutes. Wonder how smooth this will go when CL knock out stages take place. The only way I see us being able to compete in the league in latter stages is to be knocked out from CL as soon as in quarter finals.
Luna
*we defend as unit we attack as unit yet
Luna
Enough of this silliness for me. If Mourinho didn't like what Mata offered, that's what you have to accept. And yes, CobhamBlue was correct... the decision to offload Mata was not a decree by Mourinho. It was authorized by ALL parties. Of course, if anyone is that much of a Mata fan, he's over at Manchester United now, so.... As for me, I'm just fine with it. The sun still rose this morning, and I'm willing to bet that it's also going to set this evening. ;)
solid7
@ken AF benched Rooney and he didnt even managed him well and they end up winning the league, left to AF he would sell rooney to us last summer... same thing happened between pep and Ibra but no one say anything about it.... Ibra even show his respect for Jose despite the fact that he sold him to barca.
cfctoruletheworld
I would like to see Ramires being played on the wing and if he fails I would like to sell him because he would have been unable to adapt.
Luna
Seems like Mourinho gave KDB and Mata the silent treatment.
ACLamp
a mata on top of his game gets consistently benched and then sold. a lampard past his sell-by date gets recurring 90 minutes. someone is clearly not doing the math or operating on einsteinian logic. oh, did i set the cat amongst the pigeons? a zillion apologies. i forgot, there's the loyalty caveat. if you don't like this decision become a united fan and all that crap. oh spare me the same ol same ol.
johnny come lately
@Carloss86 was mata playing in the No. 10 role when we bought him? in his first season at chelsea was he played at No.10? Please mata is a professional and should be able to play in any role. Oscar was a no.10 before we bought him and he played on the wing in his first season which affected his game in some games and no one was complaining about Oscar playing out of position. The main problem was that mata wasn't in good form and that was why he couldnt take the little chance he was given but Willian was in great form and he took the little chance he was given and sad enough the the manager made his decision in those period, if Willian was not bought I am sure we wont be having this discussion and mata would have played enough to adapt well with playing on the wings just like he did in his first season.
cfctoruletheworld
@cfctoruletheworld, 1) No one complained last year regarding the Mata and Oscar situation because Mata was doing a fantastic job. Just look at his assists and goals and compare them to Oscar number's this season. 2) He was signed as a LEFT WINGER, not a right winger, and in my opinion he did a good job whenever he was asked to play as a left winger (part of the first season). 3) Maybe you never tried to be a professional athlete. You say that he could've "simply say no" to the move. Athletes don't work like that mate. They need to feel appreciated for what they do, they need to feel confidence to be at their best. That's why we're always saying Mou has such great man management skills. He makes his players feel like the best in the world. Well, not in this case for whatever reason. Terry's situation last year was not the same because Benitez was interim manager and we all knew he was gonna be replaced this year. Jose is in for the long haul this time and it's a different situation, so don't compare Mata to Terry.
Carloss86
johnny come lately - the point of all that "become a united fan" crap, is that some people just like to bitch about everything that isn't done their own way. It wouldn't make a ***** of difference if there was a good reason behind it. Some of you act as if you are a bigger Juan Mata fan than you are a CFC fan. That statement was just meant to clarify the fact that you have options...
solid7
Common Carloss86 read my post again and you will see I didnt even mention Terry, I wasnt comparing mata with anyone I was saying if the purchase of Willian didnt happen we wont be discussing about this, Mata would have had lot of playing time to adapt to the tactics and system of Mourinho. I also said Willian picked form before mata and it was unfortunate that Jose made his decision during that period. you and I knows that Willian also needs to play as the guy has been so good for us since he came on board. Lets imagine that we keep mata in his No.10 role and oscar stays on the bench are we going to say it is fine? What am trying to say is that this could happen to any player. I said mata could say No because the way people are talking about this is seems they love mata than the club and was saying mata could also prove his undying love for the club by rejecting a move. What I want you to understand is that this is more than football as we all know that the game has turn to complete business and as a player mata also love his career than the club while the club also love itself than any player. Now you re saying that mata didnt make mata feel like the best in the world? I dont believe that mate. the fact is no matter how good you re if you re not in the manager's plan nothing can be done and we have seen it in other teams, with all the hype for Ibra by Mou he still end up selling him. When Pep took over at Barca we all know what happened to players like Deco, Ronaldinho, Etoo and others and even with the reaction of the fans the coach went on to build a team that conquer the world.
cfctoruletheworld
Lets do a comparison of Mata and Oscar. Mata's numbers in the first two seasons: 119 appearances, 29 goals and 52 assists. So lets say 119 appearances and 81 goals created. Oscar's numbers: 92 appearances, 20 goals and 19 assists. So 92 appearances and 39 goals created. That's a bit unfair of a comparison because Oscar played as a right winger in the first two seasons. So comparing to Oscars numbers this season alone: 28 appearances, 8 goals and 7 assists. It's my opinion that Mata's numbers are better, so something went wrong with this situation. Anyway, that's the end of this subject for me. Nobody's going to be a United fan or anything now lol, but we as fans have the right to complain when we don't like something, and that doesn't make us less loyal to the club.
Carloss86
solid7... and likewise, said generally rather than specifically. but specifically now... please reitire the 'bigger than such and such fan than cfc fan'. that argument went out with the dinosaurs. venting an opinion that involves arguably the club's best player in recent times has nothing to do with that tired 'club loyalty' debate, however much you might want to put a spin on it. dismissed! selling mata = bad, bad decision. period. loyalty certificates be damned.
johnny come lately
@Carloss86 nothing went wrong with the situation, you forgot the age difference, league they were bought from and the fact that Oscar will still get better, to me that number isnt bad for a player coming from a much weaker league and brazil for that matter, Mata has played in whatever tournament you could name before we got him. Oscar still have almost 30 games to get more goals and assist and if he manage to get 10 more goals and 11 more assist are we going to say the number is bad for a 21 year old player who just came from brazil to europe?
cfctoruletheworld
"Best player" is relative to the situation. Juan Mata didn't even make the first team under Mourinho. (and I don't believe it's just because he didn't like him - that makes ZERO sense for a guy who seems to put thought into everything - but believe as you will) I'm not convinced that it was a bad decision. I regret the situation, but I'm not going to say that it was bad. IMO, a much worse decision was hiring and firing all of those managers over the years, and not defining a particular style of play or objective for the club. Maybe you prefer a new manager evey season. That's your right. But if creating a dynasty means losing a good player here or there, so be it. It must be done.
solid7
and that mata wasnt given chance is a lie maybe not enough though but he started four straight games between December 1 and 14 completed full 90 in two of those….but only 1 assist.... it shows he wasn't in form and he doesnt belong to the bench and that the best we could do is sell him as I am not sure Willian will be drop anytime soon with the rate he keeps getting better
cfctoruletheworld
'best player' is ALWAYS relative to the situation. and sometimes, the converse, conveniently so. but like someone else said, what's unfolded is akin to a new manager benching ronaldo at real or messi at barca. if that equates to 'creating a dynasty', then someone's a brave gambling man. incidentally, i didn't mention anything about 'jose not liking mata' if that's what you inferred; you're ascribing it to the wrong person, mate :-) neither have i been a fan of hire-fire managers; and in fact was as huge a jose fan as the next guy, first time around.
johnny come lately
cfctorule... get real. over 3 months into the campaign and you finally give a guy a sequence of straight games after carefully dismantling his confidence by constantly benching him... and you still expect him to come out and do a maradona? nice, really nice. when you write the book on football, i'll take a few hundered copies.
johnny come lately
I trust Abramovich. He will sort it out like he always does.
foreign_viewer
johnny come lately - It's not inconceivable that there could arise a situation where a Messi or Ronaldo could be ineffective (or, at the very least, less effective) in a given squad. I'd hate to try to paint that picture for you, but is possible, even if not probable. I hate this situation as much as the next guy, but I'm still looking forward to the next match, with high hopes. Mourinho wasn't brought back without good reason. I don't think he'll disappoint. Mata was the best of the bunch in a squad that wasn't quite there. But he just doesn't look to fit the dynamic of this squad. (sorry, that's my honest opinion) I could be as wrong as the next guy, but I'm a Chelsea fan, first and foremost. I'm just glad that I'm not the manager.
solid7
@cfctoruletheworld fair enough. You make good points and I agree. All I'm saying is that we could've rotated them for the number 10 spot rather than just stick with Oscar. Anyway, this is a decision from Jose and he's proven to be one of the best if not the best. BUT I don't like being lied to! I won't believe for a second that crap about Mata being happy to move... As if he wanted to move from the start of the season or something. Things went wrong with the Mourinho-Mata relationship and that's that. He should say things as they are or shut up, because now some people will say Mata is a traitor and that will be a disgrace. With all said and done, I believe that Jose will build a strong team and we will challenge for everything in the future. KTBFFH
Carloss86
Excuses for Mourinho.
foreign_viewer
solid7, despite our huge difference of opinion on l'affaire mata, at least we're on the same page on one thing: i too am looking forward to the next match (stoke, fa, sunday) and every one after that, ad infinitum, with nothing but blue fervour crossing my heart. i strongly disagree with the gaffer on the mata decision (yeah, i know my opinion counts for nothing) but when the kick-off whistle sounds sunday, jose will still be the best man. of course, while the ronaldo/messi situation is never inconceivable, there would have to be several caveats to make that equivalent to the mata situation... mata was benched and not given any vote of confidence despite coming straight of two unbelievable seasons as a player. point is, you can't dismantle a guy's confidence and then expect him to work wonders. perhaps for mata's own good, it's best that he goes where he is wanted and truly valued - even if that is to our biggest rivals. and saying that doesn't make me or anyone else less of a chelsea fan.
johnny come lately
cfctoruletheworld..."AF benched rooney and no one said anything" are you kidding me??rooney and his agent made all sort of noise and there is no prize for guessin their reward-(first team assurances and a bumper new contract) contract!!!...AF would never have sold rooney to us,he would rather ship him abroad or have you forgotten about gabriel heinze??
Ken4CFC
sir Alex is old but not stupid
Ken4CFC
Johnny I dont expect him to be a maradonna, Mata doesnt have anything to prove we all know he is a very good player all he needs to do is adapt to the new system, I dont think willian had 4 straight start to prove to us all that he deserves to play. mata was getting more playing time than Willian. The fact is that mata couldnt adapt fast enough unless we re willing to make some sacrifice like losing matches or dropping points which will cost the coach his job. Maybe we should all say that it was amistake bringing back Jose as we all know that mata isnt the kind of player he would like to use without a very good CM. before mata could kick a ball this season everyone including the press were saying mata isn't the kind of player Mou could work with, I will be so surprise if our board didnt know that before taking him back or maybe if we had bought Matic in the summer and didnt buy Willian then mata could have played more.
cfctoruletheworld
Jose says Mata is important then he doesn't feature him for 3 games. Jose says De Bruyne has an important role (ON THE BENCH). The guys are just there for funds imo. This "they didn't grab their chance" is false. Oscar can be inconsistent and still finish 90 mins and start the next game. Hazard acknowledged that he didn't score in a while then he hasn't looked back since. Willian is ok for a newbie. All get consistent run of games. KDB and Mata got the cold shoulder. Never mind that weeks ago we didn't think that the side was title contenders until Luiz got into the middle and hassled Liverpool & Manure plus our strikers actually scored. Mourinho is a clever man. He needed funds and decided to force Mata and KDB to want out. All i know is that the pace that is coming in will shadow this and make everybody sing kumbaya in a circle jerk.
ACLamp
@Ken well maybe he would have sell him to us but he would sell him for sure. I know Jose concluded to sell Mata but it wasn't Jose's job to find the club to sell him to. I am sure United made inquiries about mata and the club told them he is available. If PSG or any other club had come with an offer like that of united am sure he wont be sold to united. If selling mata isnt a problem and selling him to a direct rival is the problem then Jose is not responsible for selling him to united
cfctoruletheworld
*wouldnt
cfctoruletheworld
I am looking forward to the next few days. Despite the departure in poor taste, we have dosh to inject into other areas in the squad.
ACLamp
Spot on @johnny...
Latunvic
which means, cfctorule... by your own inference (pre-season mata murmurs) that the script for mata's failure had already been written in advance, and then carefully implemented. like make him struggle by making conditions untenable for perfromance? your inference makes it all seem even more sinister and gives fodder to fans' apprehension that it was all engineered beforehand. it isn't like mata 'couldn't adapt fast enough' then. rather, everything was set to ensure he couldn't adapt fast enough.
johnny come lately
Spot on @johnny (2)
Carloss86
Anyway, time to move on (for me at least). It's been a good debate on a very sad day.
Carloss86
Yes, johnny, that's why I have such an issue with some of the things that are being said. Like Mourinho intentionally set Mata up to fail. Come on... The guy knows the value of a good player. There has GOT to be more to this story. I don't know why he couldn't be brought into the fold, but he couldn't, and whether it's the player or manager to blame, is irrelevant at this point. If this becomes a pattern for our players, then the manager's head needs to roll. Or whoever is orchestrating it. Or everyone who knows anything. As such, I just can't believe that there is a conspiracy at work, here. I would like as much as anybody if Jose, at some point in the future, would give a detailed explanation of the entire affair. Not holding my breath, but I'd just like to hear the man's words, and be able to say, "OK, that makes sense".
solid7
carloss, superbly nutshelled there '...time to move on . It's been a good debate on a very sad day'.
johnny come lately
All the sissies can go and follow Mata to manure. What a bunch of crybabies.
Keyser Soze
Sissies? Nice ad hominem attack. Come back when you can actually debate.
ACLamp
solid7... amen to that! i used to be a regular here years ago, now only come here several months apart when stuff like this happens. i depart again with a very heavy heart. but everyone in here will morally be my best mates when chelsea takes the field again, irrespective of the argumentaive divides we fall into. here's to more victories - ground out or otherwise. here's to getting behind the team over every 90 minutes that matter most in every week. believe!
johnny come lately
It's over anyways.
ACLamp
keyser... cheers mate. better to follow mata to manure than you anywhere! don't forget to register the transfer on your playstation.
johnny come lately
As I said, go follow Mata to Manure. Chelsea deserves better than you wimps.
Keyser Soze
Wimps would be silenced easily by a pathetic jibe like that.
ACLamp
He is just another player in Chelsea's history. He's gone, like many others. You lot can not cheer for the club but moan for a player who is happy to go to manure.
Keyser Soze
Who says these guys don't cheer for the club, except foreign_viewer? W e are upset but we still love the club. We just didn't sign up for some group think.
ACLamp
Some self-claimed Chelsea fans are asking for the head of Jose, even Roman was not spared. Salah, who has not even signed for the club also had to face the wrath and anger. I mean what kind of fans are these? Some are even wishing us a disastrous season so Mata transfer would haunt us.
Keyser Soze
@johnny I was not making any inference that mata has been set aside for failure or that it has been written that he would suffer and push him out, I was just looking back to the whole situation from the first day the board concluded on taking Jose back and not having that fore sight or looking at the squad to see if the have the players that will compliments his tactics. If you change managers often this is the kind of things that will happen to your team, losing fan favorites. when a new manager takes over there will always be changes just unfortunate that in this case it has to be our best player in the last 2 seasons that is being sacrificed.
cfctoruletheworld
foreign_viewer... I think your mum just called. The next plate of hot pockets is ready for your and your mates.
solid7
'I worked with him for four, five six months but he's been at the club for more than two years, so people know him much better than I do. What I know is enough to know he deserves this, if he cannot be fully happy here because he's not playing 100 per cent like in the last two years, if he has a big club that wants him, even if it's a rival club and in England, THE CLUB DECIDED, and I was completely on the club's side, you cannot stop people from being happy if the offer is the right offer.' 'It was a surprise for us that Juan was leaving, we were not prepared to make bids and try to bring a player to replace him in the squad, everything happened very fast,' said Mourinho. 'We had to work on that and see what options could be good for us. IT IS LIKE NO ONE REALLY EXPECT THIS TO HAPPEN( I AM SO SAD)
cfctoruletheworld
Okay guys, Mata is gone, Salah is come, can we move on now!!! Get over it please, he is a Man Utd player, he is not coming back.
SameX
we dont have to complain about it anymore,real madrid and barcelona have always done business together,ac milan,internazionale,juventus,roma and lazio have all done business when they were all at the height of their powers.
Gbengarichard
 

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