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Pogba revisited

Pogba revisited

I have been thinking about this matter for quite some time now but having seen our match against Werder Bremen and clearly apparent deficiencies that linger I wanted to pen this now to raise discussion on the matter while the transfer window is yet open and the topic still germane to discussion.

Now I am not here to indicate that we will sign Paul Pogba; only Roman his three Amigos and Jose know if they are even considering such a move. I am just writing this to indicate that from my stand point I think we need to get this guy this transfer season or it will never happen. I am also of the view point that if we secure this guy and a credible backup striker we then have really big chance of securing a major trophy (or two) this coming season.

So why do I think we need to get Pogba?

1. He is association trained and whether we like it or not the way the FA and champions leagues rosters are set up association trained players count for virtually two squad spots and probably should be worth and additional 10mill in value just for being association trained. That we have just lost a quality association trained player in Lukaku and thus a squad position that we presently cannot fill with anyone of comparable quality nor value for money makes this even more urgent

2. He is a quality player; he may not yet be world class but even right now at his relatively tender age he is a very good player and easily in the top 12 central midfield players in the world. He was named the best young player in the just concluded world cup. There is simply no other association trained player available at that cost right now.

3. Thanks to an earlier informal bid from PSG we essentially know that Juve`s asking price for this player is about 60mill. Is Pogba worth that much? Many will immediately say absolutely no but let us think this through carefully. Were we to pursue this we would not need to pay 60mill of fresh cash to get him. We have ~25-30mill fresh in the bank from the sale of Lukaku. We are not like the Gunners used to be who just accumulate funds for the sake of it. Furthermore Juve reportedly still owe us 10-15mill from the settlement funds from the Adrian Mutu affair. At the very least thus we already have ~35-50mill of the 60 mill sum already available. Furthermore were we to go for Pogba we would need to get rid of at least one (and possibly both) of Mikel or Ramires. Conservatively speaking we should be able to get 10-15mill for one or both of these and so all said we would only need to put up 15-20mill of fresh money to get the 60mill that Juve is asking. Surely when perceived in this way this is a wise and worthwhile investment worthy of careful consideration.

4. If we secure Pogba this window we get a high quality partner for Matic. This would not be a luxury or vanity buy. This would be getting a near world class player to address a real area of need for us. Let us be honest, not one of the alternatives we have presently as a Matic partner be it MVG, Romeu, Ramires or Mikel are anywhere close in ability or quality. How about Fabregas you say? Fab fits the profile as a Regista but lacks significantly in the tackling and defensive duties dept for a CM. He is a much better CAM/ true no 10 and we would be far better served having him further up field. With Pogba we would have a true natural DM/CM/box to box hybrid player whose offensive and defensive balance is more along the lines we need to effectively partner Matic and so prevent him from being over-run when we face the higher quality opposition from the top half of the BPL and the Champions league. Finally, Pogba with matic adds a significant height advantage that we can deploy to devastating effect both offensively and defensively.

5. If we secure Pogba we effectively ensure that Vidal remains at Juve and so deprive Man U of a player who would be a major upgrade to their midfield which already looks miles better than last year with the addition of Anders Herrera. Anything we can do to ensure that ManU does not improve too much is to our advantage. We should take a page out of the masterful stroke of genius SAF showed in signing RVP and by so doing keeping him from City and also undermining Arsenal.

6. If we really think we can get Pogba cheaper next year when he has only one year left on his contract we will be sorely disappointed. This window of opportunity will not be available next year. Real have already got their Galactico for this year but these guys are insatiable and we know Ancelloti loves and admires Pogba. Rest assured if we don`t get this guy this window we will need to contend with Real next year for his signature and I don`t fancy our chances then. Worse, right now we are lucky PSG cant afford the guy without having to sell a top tier player (like maybe Cavani) after they wasted 50 mill on David Luiz and being hamstrung by their FFP troubles with UEFA but it is an open secret that Laurent Blanc wants Pogba in Paris. If we don`t get this lad now rest assured next season we will have to contend with PSG as well and you can never rule out the Catalans or frankly others like Monaco or Bayern as well come next season. The point is if we are going to do this our best chance of pulling this of is in this window.

7. Jose clearly admires the guy..that counts for something..he is not easily impressed.

8. He is well under 25. We could easily have him available at top level for at least 5 yrs and would have him at his peak were we to strike now. If his growth potential is what is anticipated we could actually have a world class central midfielder or two for the next 3-5 yrs and at the very worst he will always have decent resale value.

All in all I feel our squad still needs two quality signings to round up the squad adequately both in depth and quality. I do feel our central midfield and a no 2 striker/goalscorer (preferably one comfortable playing out wide like PEA of Dortmund or pure fox in the hole poacher comfortable with the ball at his feet and able to play of a typical target man no 9 like Roberto Firmino would be ideal)are the positions that need strengthening. Of these two I see Pogba as the tailor made solution to that central mid need and getting him would not negatively impact our international player complement of 17 while increasing our depth and quality through an additional invaluable association trained player spot. Your views and thoughts are welcome.

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Date:Sunday August 3 2014
Time: 6:41PM


Olayinka Spencer
03/08/2014 19:00:00
lets just get him asap
03/08/2014 19:05:00
I hope you are not 100% driven by the 3 goal whitewash against Bremen. I'd really love to see Pogba in blue though.
03/08/2014 19:05:00
First we can say here that we need this and that but does Jose agree with us? We do really need pogba and another striker but the issue is Jose doesn't think so...first Cesc has come to take the Lampard role which means he will slot in at AMF or CMF depending on the game and it's getting pogba has to mean we will sell ramires because we can't have matic,mikel,mvg,ramires,pogba and possibly Cesc fighting for 2 positions but is Jose ready to sell ramires?? ...I won't talk about us getting another striker because that is an obvious need,the issue here is if Jose agrees we need a striker and who do we get? we need a striker different from costa and drogba,we need a jovetic kind of striker,one that can play behind the main striker,on the wings and upfront,is there any available?
03/08/2014 19:23:00
anybody remember schurlle, in jose i trust
03/08/2014 19:28:00
Everyone knows we should sign pogba at any cost this summer but it just isn't going to happen. I tweeted earlier during the fans and said we miss a pogba in CM who picks balls up and just drives towards the opponents goal at pace and commits players. We don't have his qualities in the squad. And the homegrown status is a huge huge bonus. Id pay £60mil this window. He has bags of potential.
03/08/2014 19:44:00
I don't think we should sign Pogba at any cost.
03/08/2014 20:17:00
Sign whoever you want on your Playstation. Just get behind your team, otherwise. You're pitching a sale to people that don't matter in the process...
03/08/2014 20:25:00
United loose pogba to juventus cos they never deemed him good enough for the first team! We have vanginkel and I surely believe the youngster is made for greatness if given the opprotuinity to play and shine. Pogba is good no doubt bt I rather prefer he stay at juve and we give vanginkel a try! Besides we can't have all that we want. A team of cech,courtois,swarzer;azpi,ivanovic,terry,cahill,zouma,luis,ake;matic,mikel,ramires,vanginkel,fabregas;salah,willian,oscar,hazard,schurle;costa,torres and drogba should be every managers dream. Liverpool arsenal manutd spurs everton are nowhere near cfc in terms of squad quality yet they are confident they will fight for the trophy and we are here wanting more. Can the season just begin cos am contended with what we have
Victor Unamba Nd
03/08/2014 20:43:00
i dont understand why people are talking about playstation if we are after a target who has big transfer money on their head...look at real they have two best attacker in the world but still they sign james for 60 million look at barca tbey sign suarez for 75 million inspite of having neymar and messi...both this team have so many game changer and match winner but that didnt stop them in buying them...but if we are after them people says yaa its playstation time...we need pogba and if reus is available we should go for him also...why not sign both of them if available...we need match winner and players like reus and pogba are game winner....because they both are top qualith cant rely on player like willian rami salah torres to win us match....they are not good enough at all when it comes to change a game or win a match...thats why you need player like pogba and reus or dimaria if available...because this guys are match winner or game changer...
03/08/2014 20:49:00
talking about Playstation because some speak with such authority, despite the fact that many have never even been near a stadium, nor know nothing about the interactions of agents and managers. We always hear about how stupid manager X or board member Y is for such and such a purchase... but yet, those who have nothing to do with the game, (other than being a nose bleed section viewer) seem to know everything. It's always easy to tell the club what they need when you're disconnected from the actual workings...
03/08/2014 20:57:00
Sometimes what you need is a group of men who work well together. NOT star power!
03/08/2014 20:58:00
we cant rely on haz or schrulle in win us the match and we need more player to get this job done...thats why i never understand the signing of willian and salah last season...becasue they neither are good enough to win us the match on their own...yaa willian is a hardworker but we havent paid that money to just see him running on the pitch without any end product...and neither do salah and rami too...if we are serious about winning the league we need two top class first team player in our team...or else there we have to see another throphyless season...
03/08/2014 20:58:00
yaa last season i saw that group of men but they won nothing at all in the end..
03/08/2014 21:00:00
Well, shlok27, there's no way to afford or sign all of the players that people like yourself constantly mention. Half the time, they aren't available, and the other half, they don't want to play for us. But yet, it doesn't stop you, does it? Most clubs don't have the luxury of buying just whatever player they want... And yet, they still get behind their manager/squad. From what I've seen from you, I don't think you'd ever be satisfied.
03/08/2014 21:04:00
Just out of curiosity... (and maybe to prove a point) Is there anything about this squad that IS good? From your point of view, of course, shlok27...
03/08/2014 21:07:00
solid7...i think chelsea have the luxury to buy the player they want...and if they spend big also it will come undef ffp rule...and regarding your question apart from the player which i mentioned above which i think are not good enough for chelsea the rest of the squad are pretty well balanced...and by the way i have said earlier also we need to buy two top class player..and not 6 or 7 players...a player of pogba quality and reus or dimaria quality if Available then we should fully go for i said we need game changer in our squad...and the player of those quality will defenetly help us in winning the league..
03/08/2014 21:28:00
Fabregas, Costa, Hazard, Schurrle, Oscar all game changers. The rest as well..
03/08/2014 22:19:00
"Conservatively speaking we should be able to get 10-15mill for one or both of these and so all said we would only need to put up 15-20mill of fresh money to get the 60mill that Juve is asking. Surely when perceived in this way this is a wise and worthwhile investment worthy of careful consideration." Not sure I agree with that statement because at the end of the day, it is still 60mm. That is just too much for any central midfielder in the world and it is not different from the so called "waste" a lot of fans claim United wasted on Luke Shaw even though he is half the price of Pogba. Pogba is a central midfielder that will be welcomed anywhere in the world, but not at the price these clowns are asking. For all people whip perez for, he only blows that kind of cash on attackers and not central midfielders. Not that it justifies anything.
03/08/2014 23:00:00
I have to agree with FS... We also just signed Fabregas, who, even if you disagree, Mourinho thinks is a HUGE game changer. I'm not sure how much more "game changing" we can do with personnel. We beat bigger teams with tactics. We know that smaller teams beat us with the same. We also know that for as long as teams have been playing heavy defensively, they've been hard to beat. So, it seems to me, that no matter who you sign, that's an obstacle. I can't think of one single team on the planet who has an easy time with tough defenses and 10 men behind the ball...
03/08/2014 23:42:00
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